Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 15:21:16 -0700
From: SuperKen <kenns-at-concentric.net>
Subject: Re: rust
well if Mike and Doc, can get the C5, we can ship a
whole bunch from CA to u gys!! ;)
M_B_FEICK wrote:
>
> What would a rust free wagoneer body bring back east? I know where
> I can lay my hands on several...
> >>>>
> Heal them brother! (then bring 'em out to me) HOW long does it take to drive
> to the jest coast?
>
> Brad Feick
>
--
Sincerely
kenneth e. wetherall If a Wagoneer can go where a
kenns-at-concentric.net CJ can go, then it's a
Super Wagoneer.
[Back to Top]Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 15:27:47 -0700
From: SuperKen <kenns-at-concentric.net>
Subject: Re: eh?
yup
Dennis M. "Doc" Fariello wrote:
>
> >ah..no..not a panel truck. the fleet van was a box
> >van on a cj chassis!!!!
>
> So it was more like an FC with a box body?
>
--
Sincerely
kenneth e. wetherall If a Wagoneer can go where a
kenns-at-concentric.net CJ can go, then it's a
Super Wagoneer.
[Back to Top]Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 17:33:08 -0500 (CDT) From: Moake Brian <iw67-at-jove.acs.unt.edu> Subject: Re: Legacy of the FSJ......correction > > >Ok not to fuel this debate, but if you look at the second line of > > Cherokee > > >America you will see that the XJ is "The Original Sport Utility"! > > That's ok, > > >no need to appologize for trying to take the monicar. We get it all > > the time. > > > > So, set me straight here, theres no flames on fsj-list or > > we cant flame folks who belong to fsj-list but can flame > > folks who... never mind, see how Texicans behave in public :) > > Tony R. Hanson (hanstr-at-cimsys01.aud.alcatel.com) > > 1964 Wagoneer Copeville, Texas > > The only this can be true is if the term SUV was originated with the XJ. There is no way anyone could be stupid enough to believe that the XJ was the first SUV by definition.[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 17:37:51 -0500 From: "Jeff Gunn" <jgunn-at-hou.varco.com> Subject: Re: 360 v8 trannys On Apr 24, 3:31pm, Moake Brian wrote: > Subject: Re: 360 v8 trannys > > Come on down to TX. We don't really have a rust problem because the DOT > doesn't know that sand (by itself) only makes the ice dirty. > > >-- End of excerpt from Moake Brian Wait, what's this?! Another TEXAN? Great, and judging from the e-mail address (UNT) he goes the the University of North Texas in Denton. Tony Hanson, do want to recruit him or should I :)? He's up closer to your neck of the woods, I'll stick with getting Houston guys. Jeff[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 97 16:44:34 EDT From: rdmbfe-at-micro.lucent.com (M_B_FEICK) Subject: Re: D20 swap but the gear that mates the 400 and 20 together is not available. >>>>> I thought that the th400 gears were available from AA. I have 5 d20 laying about somewhere and all bolt the same. >>>> Well send one on up here! I also have a Dual lever d20 from a scout. >>>>>> How is that different? Brad Feick[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 17:40:40 -0500 From: "Jeff Gunn" <jgunn-at-hou.varco.com> Subject: Re: vac system On Apr 24, 3:49pm, Joe Sego wrote: > Subject: vac system > Hello, > > I notice I have a couple items unhooked and wonder what > is going to happen when they are by-passed. For instance > my vapor canister is trashed. Not even hooked up. My air > pump went bye-bye long ago as did my EGR. Am I gonna > run into problems? > >-- End of excerpt from Joe Sego All this stuff is GONE from my '78 Cherokee. The threaded holes in the exhaust manifolds are plugged with bolts. It runs fine, although the idle is a bit rough, but I don't think it has anything to do with the emissions stuff. Still haven't done anything to that old carb. Anyway, the Cherokee runs fine without it, so did most of my other vehicles. Just trace everything down and make sure you get them all either capped or properly connected. Jeff[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 15:36:32 -0700
From: SuperKen <kenns-at-concentric.net>
Subject: Brad F!
bks-at-co.intel.com wrote:
>
> Superken wrote:
>
> > M_B_FEICK wrote:
> > >
> > > If I wanted to convert my QT J20 to a Dana 20, would I have to get new
> > > driveshafts?
> >
> > maybe
> >
> > Were all D20s the same as far as where the outputs are?
> >
> > yes..rear centered...front..pass side.
>
> Thats true of all D20s used by jeep (and scout and GM). But the Ford
> D20 had the front output on the drivers side. Also had a lower low
> range.
that is true, but the ford, means a drive side front shaft, and
a 6" or greater adaptor between the case
and the trany. did u want to do that?
>
> > the adaptor btween the d20 and the trany!
>
> Seems there were also large hole and small hold D20s. The hole is the one
> on the front side where it bolts up to the tranny. On some its large enough
> that the gear that bols to the xfercase input shaft can pass through the
> hole. On others the hole is too small for the gear to pass through, and it
> can only go out the back.
no, all d20's have the large hole on the front of the case. this allowed
the input gear to be bolted to the trany BEFORE install of the
xcase. t18's have to two size holes. becasue of the d20 having
a centered rear output shaft, it would be impossible to install
the input gear AFTER the xcase is bolted to the trany!!
>
> I also seem to remember a variations in the number of splines on the input
> gear.
for the manuasl it was 6, but for the th400 it was 15. also, the pitch
of
the teeth on the gears is diff for both. it is 17 degress for the 6
spline,
and 22.5 for the 15 spline!!
>
> I don't know which ones jeep used, or if they used different combinations over
> the years.
that is what im here for ;)
>
> I'm sure all that were factory mated to the TH400 were the same though.
yes
>
> I recomend getting the Advanced Adapters cat. I got mine for free (ordered
> off their web page). It has tons of info in it. A great reference, even if
> you never buy anything from them.
what id theri web add??
>
> -brad
>
> ---------------------------------------------------
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>
>
--
Sincerely
kenneth e. wetherall If a Wagoneer can go where a
kenns-at-concentric.net CJ can go, then it's a
Super Wagoneer.
[Back to Top]Date: Thu, 24 Apr 97 16:32:59 -0700 From: bks-at-co.intel.com Subject: Re: JEEP RULES FOREVER Sc0 wrote: > Ya... > Like those Landcruisers that look like Wagoneers, or those FJ-40's that look > like CJ's. > > They can't help but to copy Jeep, because the things that Jeep made worked so > well and could not be improved any further. Anyone who has ever taken a close look at an old flatfender and an old FJ will see many similarities. Coincidence?? I doubt it. But, maybe they coppied it too closely! They even coppied the bellcrank on the steering linkage. Anyone that has ever owned a jeep that had one of those things knows what I am talking about. Major source of steering play. Am I going to be able to make this a FSJ related post?? Yip! The very early Wagoneers and Gladiator pickups also had that cursed bellcrank! What were those jeep engineers thinking? Did they get a good deal on them or something? -brad[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 17:07:34 +0000 From: "john meister" <john-at-> Subject: Re: FSJ list question and C20 > John- > Couple FSJ related questions for you- > > I was going to send a question to the FSJ list but not sure if it is > 'proper' to send a msg to it without be subscribed to the list(or if it is > possible). > If i can send to it without being subscribed, let me know and i'll send me > questions there asking for a direct reply,(maybe with a cc to the list?) > > There is a jeep at a dealership about 45 minutes from my house that is > advertised in the paper, it reads: '86 Jeep C-20 Pick-up > 59,000 miles, black, auto, V8, P/S, P/B, air cond, AM/FM sterao, cap, and > more. > $5494 (they say $2986 after a $2500 trade-in, not sure if they assume your > trade-in is worth that or if they have a deal going that any trade-in > will get you $2500 credit). > > I've not heard of a C-20 before, no mention of one at any of the FSJ web > pages i've looked at. The small picture in the paper looks like a FSJ > pick-up though. > > I was wondering if you have heard of a C-20 and might know about it at all. > I assume it would be a 360 CI engine, not sure about trans, or axles though > (i haven't called the dealership up yet either, but i'd think they wouldn't > know), do you know? > Also, what kind of MPG would be expected from a 360 with auto transmission.] > Would $3000 be a good price(assuming my trade-in is worth less then $2500, > and i don't care about the real value of it) > > Any help would be appreciated. > Thanks > Bruce > bs1-at-pond.com > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/4994 MY guess is it's a J20, did they say it was a 3/4 ton? the V-8 means it's a full-size... The other option is it's a chevy c20 pickup, 2wd... I'm forwarding this to the list for you. Not sure if you can send something in without being subscribed. I don't have an idea about the value of a J20... but doc might... later, john > > > > ******************************************************** john-at- http://www. ORC-FSJ = http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/jeep/fsj Snohomish, WA USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold JEEPS:(Wagoneer Limited 81 SJ & 88 xj)and Cherokee 77 SJ no Jesus = no peace <-> know Jesus = know peace **********************************************************[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 17:10:29 +0000 From: "john meister" <john-at-> Subject: Re: rear mains... > > > John, > > I have a rear main seal leak as well in my '88 GW. Were you able to fix it > without removing the transmission? > yes. > I have been told that it is possible by dropping the oil pan, but > difficult. Did you do the work yourself? If you had it done at a shop, how > much did it cost? I was at the shop and under the rig with the guy... (I've been dealing with them for a long time...) We were able to do it by lifting the frame and letting the axle drop... I don't recall if I undid a shock to let it droop further... > > Thanks, and good luck with your new "problem." I was wondering what new problem I was having... then I read the rest of the message... er, wrong john... later, fsj-john :) > > If it helps, instead of thinking of it as a problem, think of it as a > challenge. I do. > > That way when you ask yourself, "Why should I fix this?" you can answer > "Because it was there." > > Steve Rosewarne > '88 Grand Wagoneer > San Francisco > > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 10:22:51 -0400 > >From: John Esposito <espos-at-compuserve.com> > >Subject: Problem > > >I just solved my oil leak, rear main seal & pan gasket, and the very next > >day A new problem occurs. As I drive there is a noise, somewhere between a > >clicking and a banging, right under my feet any time i turn, left or > right. > >It is only on drivers side. I greased everthing I could in front but no > >change. I am thinking balls joints, u-joints? Any help would prevent a > >couple of grey hairs, they're coming in by the hour. This problem is > >interfering with my exhaust overhaul(cat is plugged bad), extensive body > >work(passenger nose), vaccuum leaks galore, etc. > > > >Also, is there supposed to be a zerk fitting on the front driveshaft on > the > >sleave. There is a hole but no fitting. > > > >Alfred J. Esposito > >espos-at-compuserve.com > >'89 Grand Wagoneer > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the command > "unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > > > > ******************************************************** john-at- http://www. ORC-FSJ = http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/jeep/fsj Snohomish, WA USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold JEEPS:(Wagoneer Limited 81 SJ & 88 xj)and Cherokee 77 SJ no Jesus = no peace <-> know Jesus = know peace **********************************************************[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 19:31:36 -0500 (CDT) From: Moake Brian <iw67-at-jove.acs.unt.edu> Subject: Re: The World's Largest FSJ Site > ok, well, I guess that means I have to do it first.... hmm... <grin>. > Ok, but tell ya what... one of Y'ALL has to do the artwork! > > At 01:20 PM 4/24/97 CDT, you wrote: > >Doc, > >The regional page idea is way cool. I have little > >experience with html, but if you could just get > >the TX OK region page started, I could brush up > >on it and catch up. If ya'll need help with the site let me know... BTW... I'm in Denton, Tx > | | > | ============= | > 0_| / \ |_o > |_|_____----+-----____|_| > |====|=====|=====|====| > ||____|_____|_____|____|| > \_____|___|DOC|___|_____/ > |\/\/|--------\_/--|\/\/| > ______|\/\/|_____________|\/\/|______ >[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 19:46:39 -0500 (CDT) From: Moake Brian <iw67-at-jove.acs.unt.edu> Subject: Re: 4.3 replacement engine > This all started because I need to start looking for a car for the > wife. She expressed an interest in the downsized Cherokees (XJ). I was > wondering if a good plan would be to try to find one with the crappy > 2.8, thinking that it would be cheaper than one with a REAL engine. If > I got it cheap enough, it may make sense to drop one of the 3.4 > replacement engines in since it would be a direct replacement, no muss, > no fuss...A 4.3 would require adapters, etc. Anyway...that was the > thought process. > Tom Anhalt Have you looked at the pre "Chryjeep"? I just got an 85 G Wag for $2k[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 19:59:38 -0500 (CDT) From: Moake Brian <iw67-at-jove.acs.unt.edu> Subject: Re: clunk in front end On Thu, 24 Apr 1997 snordby-at-topcat.bridgew.edu wrote: > A piece of information on the subject. If you have a bang when the wheels are > turned while moving or not moving check the front cross member and see if > the cheap spot welds are broken. That is wahat was wrong with mine when > it made the same noise. Scrap metal and a mig welder cured that problem. > AMC didn't want us to flex the frame I guess. Last Saturday mine had a cracked > weld in the front crossmember. I finished it off on a 4-wheel run. We went > on powerlines covered with mud and big rocks. There was a rock ledge to > climb up that only heavily modified cj's get up. Boy did I show the CJ drivers > what a FSJ can do. I pulled up to the ledge and backed up to get Jeep at a > straight angle toward the ledge. I just gave it about half throttle and climbed up with little tire spin and climbed right to the top with no problem. Most > of the cj's and a tj with 31" mud tires had to be dragged up the wet rocks. > Thats right a FSJ can go where a CJ does. I have heard many stories like this and can't wait to start collecting my own. You might also want to check diff oil.[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 21:48:00 EST From: snordby-at-topcat.bridgew.edu Subject: Cherokee body Yes the body is there. Two six in pieces of the rear flares are MIA. Also two holes in front of the rear wheel wells. The rest is all there. Steve Nordby 1982 Wagoneer Plymouth MA[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 20:58:47 -0500 (CDT) From: chrissy saltsgaver <chrissys-at-midwest.net> Subject: QT with lock outs Some one mentioned that fsj's with QT shouldn't have lock outs. That's true, UNLESS, a part time conversion was installed. My J20 had the BW quadratrac w/ conversion & warn hubs.[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 21:09:19 -0500 (CDT) From: chrissy saltsgaver <chrissys-at-midwest.net> Subject: Matador ? Ouch :-O More Matador bashing! Remember guys, if you can't be in your fsj, the next best thing is an independant brand car! I've owned a Matador sedan and coupe, a Gremlin, and a yellow Pacer besides the Studebakers. I just sold the gremlin & Matador last summer so all that's left are the jeeps & Studie's. The guys at Chrysler (and at work, and at home, now that I think about it) like to poke fun at me when ever we talk about the new models. Mike Saltsgaver.[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 97 21:07:34 EDT From: rdmbfe-at-micro.lucent.com (M_B_FEICK) Subject: Re: Brad F! the device John M was talking about to install between the front output yoke and the front drive shaft so u can use a part time xcase in the same manner that most peopple use a full time xcase??? >>>> that one-AND where does it go exactly? In other words could you have a summer set-up with "normal" gear and a winter set-up that used the Milemarker for mixed conditions. I wouldn't wheel too much in the winter, and I would be driving in mixed conditions, so that sounds like the way to go. Conversely, in the summer, I don't need fuul time and would want the "hard-locked" front drive for wheeling. Brad Feick[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 21:23:11 -0500 (CDT) From: chrissy saltsgaver <chrissys-at-midwest.net> Subject: rust Joe, I've got a tow dolly, but I don't think it's got the capacity for a fsj. I'll try it out for sure sometime. All I've had on it so far are studebakers (and that seemed to be a good sized load for it). You'd be surprised on how many guys are making trips back & forth from the west with rust free old cars for sale here and out east. Maybe we've stumbled on a new career for John. Why set in Washington all day when he could be traveling the hinterland, providing humanitarian aid to the sheetmetal challenged parts of the country :) He could get Willie Nelson to do a fund raiser "JEEP-AID" to kick the project off. Just think, Old Blue spreading joy & happiness around the rust belt by delivering good tin from west of the Mississippi![Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 22:26:57 -0400
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
Subject: re: reconfiguring 85 GW drivetrain
>Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 16:49:46 -0500 (CDT)
>From: Moake Brian <iw67-at-jove.acs.unt.edu>
>Subject: reconfiguring 85 G Wag drivetrain...
>
>I am trying to replace my defunct NP chain driven transfer case with a
>gear driven. I was told that a Dana 300 will fit a TF999 tranny but the
>shifter linkage may not work without major mod.
>Do the different Danas have different bolt patterns to the trannys?
>If not, will one fit my current linkage?
>Will the gear driven NP work?
Isn't the Dana 300 right-drop? Same as the Jeep Dana 20? That precludes
using them on 80-92 SJs...
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[Back to Top]Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 22:22:27 -0500 From: "68 Wagoneer" <jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com> Subject: Re: Zack H! Yes, definitely put me on the list for the 62-72 parts book, please! ======================================= Henry Padilla '68 Jeep Wagoneer Buick 350 thoughtfully installed by Kaiser jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com ---------- > From: SuperKen <kenns-at-concentric.net> > To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com> > Subject: Zack H! > Date: Wednesday, April 23, 1997 10:19 PM > > ill take a 62-72 parts book, if i dont have to mortage the house > to do it!! > > > Third Ken and Thomas: The 62-72 Parts book, same as above. If you > > two, and maybe Henry, want one, we could work something out. Let me > > know. > > > > Hope this answers everyones questions. > > > > Zack Heisey-- > Sincerely > 'If a Wagoneer can go where a > kenneth e. wetherall CJ can go, then it's a > kenns-at-concentric.net Super Wagoneer' > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the command > "unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > >[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 22:25:24 -0500 From: "68 Wagoneer" <jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com> Subject: Re: JEEP RULES FOREVER I think that especially the mid-style Land Cruisers (not the early ones and not the new luxo mobiles but the early and mid-80s ones) look kinda like FSJs. They're full-size, boxy, etc. I kinda think they're cool looking but not as cool as FSJs. ======================================= Henry Padilla '68 Jeep Wagoneer Buick 350 thoughtfully installed by Kaiser jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com ---------- > From: DOROTHY I. STREICH <104346.766-at-CompuServe.COM> > To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com> > Subject: Re: JEEP RULES FOREVER > Date: Wednesday, April 23, 1997 10:39 PM > > > > THUNDER AND LIGHTING ON THE PRAIRIE > > 75,76 JEEP WAGONEER > > 77 JEEP J-10 > > JEEP RULES FOREVER > > IF IT'S NOT A JEEP IT'S JUST ANOTHER IMITATION OF A REAL 4X4 > > LONG LIVE THE FSJ > > Refering to the "IF IT'S NOT A JEEP IT'S JUST ANOTHER IMITATION OF A REAL 4X4" > line, ever notice the simalaritys between a toyota and the Cherokee/Wagoneers? > The 4-winers <4-runners> and Highwaycruiser <landcruiser> have hood,doors, > fenderflares, griles, and more that look like jeep parts > > Karl Streich > > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the command > "unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > >[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 19:39:45 +0000 From: "john meister" <john-at-> Subject: Re: eh? I just sent this to doc... john > yup > > Dennis M. "Doc" Fariello wrote: > > > > >ah..no..not a panel truck. the fleet van was a box > > >van on a cj chassis!!!! > > > > So it was more like an FC with a box body? > > > -- > Sincerely > > kenneth e. wetherall If a Wagoneer can go where a > kenns-at-concentric.net CJ can go, then it's a > Super Wagoneer. > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the command > "unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > > > > ******************************************************** john-at- http://www. ORC-FSJ = http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/jeep/fsj Snohomish, WA USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold JEEPS:(Wagoneer Limited 81 SJ & 88 xj)and Cherokee 77 SJ no Jesus = no peace <-> know Jesus = know peace **********************************************************[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 21:35:41 -0500 (CDT) From: chrissy saltsgaver <chrissys-at-midwest.net> Subject: 360 V8 tranny >Jeff asked if I'd swapped axles. I wound up using the old axle which was originally behind the QT, and the newer NP229 case which yielded in the slight off set in drive shaft angle. I just looked under my GW & if your going to use the BW quadratrac (I can't remember what you said), and if it has the low range unit, it is going to be close quarters with the gas tank, but a rough measurment seemed to look like it'll work. SOmeone else had mentioned this, maybe they know for sure. It definitely sounds like a project I'd take on (notice that I didn't say anything about finishing thou :) ) Mike Saltsgaver.[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 21:40:07 -0500 (CDT) From: chrissy saltsgaver <chrissys-at-midwest.net> Subject: wood trim Thanks for the offers, guys. The family definitely likes the idea of getting the wagon painted & "wooded". My daughters aren't happy to be seen with me in a vehicle that has as much rust as paint showing. Mike Saltsgaver.[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 19:44:48 +0000 From: "john meister" <john-at-> Subject: Re: eh? I just sent this to doc... john > yup > > Dennis M. "Doc" Fariello wrote: > > > > >ah..no..not a panel truck. the fleet van was a box > > >van on a cj chassis!!!! > > > > So it was more like an FC with a box body? > > > -- > Sincerely > > kenneth e. wetherall If a Wagoneer can go where a > kenns-at-concentric.net CJ can go, then it's a > Super Wagoneer. > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the command > "unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > > > > ******************************************************** john-at- http://www. ORC-FSJ = http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/jeep/fsj Snohomish, WA USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold JEEPS:(Wagoneer Limited 81 SJ & 88 xj)and Cherokee 77 SJ no Jesus = no peace <-> know Jesus = know peace **********************************************************[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 97 21:19:01 EDT From: rdmbfe-at-micro.lucent.com (M_B_FEICK) Subject: Re: Brad F! that is true, but the ford, means a drive side front shaft, and a 6" or greater adaptor between the case and the trany. did u want to do that? >>>> no no, all d20's have the large hole on the front of the case. this allowed the input gear to be bolted to the trany BEFORE install of the xcase. t18's have to two size holes. becasue of the d20 having a centered rear output shaft, it would be impossible to install the input gear AFTER the xcase is bolted to the trany!! >>>>> OK! NOW. Who is going to help me get one of these things? Seems to me that the combo that would go best with the Mr. Beef theme is the 455/th400/D20 and put the 258/th400/QT in a Wag. for the Wife and kids that way she won't have to deal with levers and hubs and I can have some piece of mind in the winter. I'm not worried about the CASE of the QT standing up to the 455, but that's an awful lot of torque to be putting thru it when not in E-drive. Although it IS hard to imagine me trying 4wd burn outs with ARBs and studded tires, I think the D20 will stand up to the 455 best. Any argument here? Brad Feick[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 22:57:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark Wallace <redgator-at-bu.edu> Subject: Hood Insulation/John's son's Jeep How did I get my hood insulation wet? To answer that question I'll ask a few more questions. How did I get mud on the top of my air cleaner? How do I know that a shop vac will pull most of the water out of a soaked carpet. For that matter how did I get my jeep so muddy that nobody could tell what color it was. (Ask Henry, he saw it) The answer is that an unlifted Wagoneer with a 360 can ford three feet of water when you are careful, and about two feet if you are being an idiot. John...by all means if your son wants to know anything about the finances, stupid mistakes, and actual halfway decent things that can be done with a full size jeep in high school point him in my direction. (Does your son have an email address?) However I also recall that my dad tried to teach me about some common sense stuff, but I wasn't listening. Thus is the nature of the high school hot rod. Later Mark[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 22:15:44 -0500 From: "Sc0" <jjd-at-flex.net> Subject: oil leak...Gasket or Seal? Is their any way to figure out where the oil is coming from if it is leaking around the rear of the engine? I bought a oil-pan gasket set but am wondering if it is the rear main seal that is leaking. It has oil all over the pan and has oil on the trans plate, (flywheel cover?, it's flat). goes something like: 1) Jack the vehicle up so that the front axle can drop down a little. 2) Remove the starter 3) Move the transmission cooler lines out of the way 4) Remove the oil pan bolts. 5) Remove the oil pan, (might have to bang on it with a rubber mallet to break the seal. 6) clean the pan, inside and out. (installation is about the same...when you put the "new" gasket on, don't you use that gasket stuff, <RTV caulking?>, on the front and rear gaskets.) Rear main Seal: 6) loosen the rear cap bolts, along with the others. 7) remove the old seals 8) ?????????? do something with soap. 9) re-torque the cap bolts "I don't have my manual on hand.." Sc0[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 22:37:33 -0500 (CDT)
From: chrissy saltsgaver <chrissys-at-midwest.net>
Subject: new j10 in the yard
Got to work on the '83 Laredo a little tonight. Installed new water & fuel
pumps. thought of a couple of tips to pass along:
When taking that new pump out of the box (I hope it's new, that means it's
ours and not a cheapie rebuilt :) ), take a few minutes to look at the "as
cast" hose connections Jeeps use sand cast pump bodies (usually iron, but
some 258's had aluminum). Along the parting line of the casting, the
foundry uses large, rough belt sanders to grind off the flash. Sometimes,
they hit these areas too hard & leave "flat spots" instead of a nice round
smooth area for the radiator & heater hoses to conform to.
If your replacement pump is less than round in those areas, use a file to
break the corners down so the rubber hose will have a smooth surface to seal
to. It makes life easier for the screw type clamps most of us use too.
They do loosen up over time, so check them occasionally, but don't over do
it or you split the hose.
Another good tip is anytime the cooling system is down (hose breakage,
radiator repair, etc.) & the pump has some miles, when you put it back
together, add some stop leak (Barrs leak is the best) into the mix. Often,
an old pump will fail soon after a new charge of coolant has been added.
This is due to the seal have some amount of wear & deposites. The new
coolant, charged with silicates, precipitate out of the coolant during
normal use & separates the seal faces enough to leak.
The stop leak contains Ginger root which "scrubbs" the surface of the seal
faces, keeping them clean. By the time the stop leak is used up, the
silicates have also dissapated & aren't as much of a threat.
A very "thin" film of RTV sealant is usually good for the gasket. We have
lifetime warranties on pumps we sell, & get all of the returns from TRW &
Federal-Mogal back for analysis. You'd be surprised on how many people
believe in "more is better". I've seen pumps with the passages completely
blocked due to squeezed out RTV ("The darned pump just won't flow", they'd
claim...duh!)
On V8's, clean the bolts & lubricate after removal. They've probably got
corrosion from the electrolysis between the aluminum front cover & the steel
screws. Take your time as this corrosion can cause the smaller screws to
twist off :( On AC equipt jeeps, I've found that just loosening the lower
nut on the compressor bracket stud will let me rotate it out of the way (all
of the other screws have to be removed) enough to remove the water pump
without totally removing the bracket.
A 50/50 mix of coolant & water is about the best. For those of you who live
like eskimos, 70/30 is about tops without shortening the life of the pump
seal. Remember, antifreeze has to have water mixed with it as a catalyst to
activate the inhibitors. Straight antifreeze hurts more than it helps (I'm
talking commercially available "green stuff"... I'll talk about the new
orange stuff some other time).
As for fuel pumps, just be careful when installing the V8 pumps to ensure
you don't mis-locate the rocker arm on the cam lobe. Start both bolts
loosely & snug up the out board screw before the inboard one.
If your into pushing your fsj pretty hard, you might consider adding an
electric pump back at the tank to suppliment the mechanical unit. The
original isn't exactly a gang buster for capacity (only 2 valves & small
diaphram...compared to 6 valves & big diaphram in a chevy performance pump).
Sorry so windy, Hope this helps on your next fixit job.
Mike Saltsgaver
[Back to Top]Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 22:34:18 -0500
From: Jim Weisflock <mrmonk-at-basec.net>
Subject: Re: reconfiguring 85 G Wag drivetrain...
Moake Brian wrote:
>
> My G Wag
> 360
> selec-trac
>
> I am planning to replace the stock 360 with 400hp 390 (I don't want the
> chain to stretch)
Bravo on that!!! Just what a pure Jeep fan like myself likes to see, I
too plan on someday either building up the 360, or swapping in a 390,
343 or 290 V8 with high compression and mega horsepower from a totally
rotted dead AMC (it's gotta be really beat, don't want to ruin a fellow
AMCers hot rod dreams or parts needs, maybe I just buy the whole car and
make a monster out of it if it ain't bad, yes, that even includes
Matadors!!!).
James R.
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| /| | Youthful American Motors Car & Jeep enthusiast.
| / | | Email: mrmonk-at-basec.net
| / | | James R. Weisflock, "Neflite" of IRC UnderNet
| / | | Redfield South Dakota, United States
|/ |____|American Motors Corporation
1954-1988
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1987 AMC Jeep Grand Wagoneer
(360 V8 2bbl., 727 AUTO, Selec-Trac, 33" Glasspack exhaust,
Cobra 40 channel CB, Uniroyal Sport King A/Ts 30x9.5x15s,
Pioneer DEH-225 CD, 99,000 miles)
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As seen on the Javelin Homepage's UnCar gallery,
http://www.javelinamx.com/
and the OCR FSJ page,
http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/jeep/fsj/weisflock.html
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Darth Vader
[Back to Top]Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 22:50:09 -0500 (CDT) From: Moake Brian <iw67-at-jove.acs.unt.edu> Subject: re: reconfiguring 85 GW drivetrain On Thu, 24 Apr 1997, Dennis M. "Doc" Fariello wrote: > >Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 16:49:46 -0500 (CDT) > >From: Moake Brian <iw67-at-jove.acs.unt.edu> > >Subject: reconfiguring 85 G Wag drivetrain... > > > >I am trying to replace my defunct NP chain driven transfer case with a > >gear driven. I was told that a Dana 300 will fit a TF999 tranny but the > >shifter linkage may not work without major mod. > >Do the different Danas have different bolt patterns to the trannys? > >If not, will one fit my current linkage? > >Will the gear driven NP work? > > Isn't the Dana 300 right-drop? Same as the Jeep Dana 20? That precludes > using them on 80-92 SJs... Do I have any other options???????[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 22:53:27 -0500 From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-mindspring.com> Subject: Re: rust At 09:23 PM 4/24/97 -0500, you wrote: >Joe, I've got a tow dolly, but I don't think it's got the capacity for a >fsj. I'll try it out for sure sometime. All I've had on it so far are >studebakers (and that seemed to be a good sized load for it). Well a fsj might be too big of load then :-( >You'd be surprised on how many guys are making trips back & forth from the >west with rust free old cars for sale here and out east. Same here...more and more old cars turning up and most came from out west. > Maybe we've stumbled on a new career for John. Why set in Washington all >day when he could be traveling the hinterland, providing humanitarian aid to >the sheetmetal challenged parts of the country :) He could get Willie >Nelson to do a fund raiser "JEEP-AID" to kick the project off. Just think, >Old Blue spreading joy & happiness around the rust belt by delivering good >tin from west of the Mississippi! Yeah...John Mellencamp is a local and he helped Willie start Farm Aid I.... Matter of fact it was in Indy! Hey John, start hauling em out here....we'll sell em and cut you a percentage :-) We don't need those stinkin AMC engines, just bring bodies....Detroit makes good engines and it's only a 5 hour drive from here. C'ya joe- ******************************************************** *1979 Cherokee Chief 360-QT-Th-400-Red 110,000 mi. * *1978 Jeep J-10 Levi 360-QT-Th-400-Brown- parts donor * *ARS KJ9D - Joe Sego Indianapolis, Indiana * * - home page http://www.mindspring.com/~jsego * ********************************************************[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 22:59:37 -0500 From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-mindspring.com> Subject: Re: rust At 09:23 PM 4/24/97 -0500, you wrote: >Joe, I've got a tow dolly, but I don't think it's got the capacity for a >fsj. I'll try it out for sure sometime. All I've had on it so far are You know, I think we may have hit a snag, FSJ's aren't cheap out west like they are here. They probably sell for more than 1K out west??? :-) Heck I saw a 89 or 90 Grand Wag last summer sitting for weeks for sale, they were asking $4700 for it, loaded and perfect. Black with black leather. C'ya[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 23:11:59 -0500 From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-mindspring.com> Subject: RE: Re: New Guy At 11:10 PM 4/23/97 -0400, you wrote: >Hey Guys, I hope you consider Michigan the midwest. I just live a little >way up i-75 (well, a couple hours) in Royal Oak (Detroit), Michigan. Would >be nice to meet somewhere this summer. Just make sure we make plans in >advance so the 'Ole Wag is in one piece and not in the middle a "project." >:-) I'd hate to drive my daily driver. (I really don't enjoy it on a >daily basis, would hate to be around other Wags without mine..) > >John Jacobs >Royal Oak, MI >75 Wagoneer > Absolutely!! MI is in the midwest. I say we at least have all big 10 states in the midwest. that would include PA now. Lets see; IND, ILL, MN, MI, OH, PA, WI, IA, we'll even include KY. Maybe they need another chapter for the plains- NE, MO, ND, SD, KS, etc. Hey Doc, who is deciding boundaries? C'ya Joe- >------------------------------ >Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 11:32:22 -0500 >From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-mindspring.com> >Subject: Re: New Guy > >>I heard that some members of this list were in Ohio and other nearby >>midwest places. The idea of a regional group of FSJ types that >>actually get together on occasion sounds like a great idea >> >>Sam Wallace >>Dayton, OH >>84 GW >> >Hi Sam, >Hey I'm not that far from Dayton....usually go the Hamfest >every year. (world's largest ham radio swap meet) Yea we need >a midwest chapter and we also need to determine which states >belong to the midwest. Any ideas? > >Nice to meet you, >Joe- >79 Chief >> > > > > >--------------------------------------------------- >To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the command >"unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > > >[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 21:20:27 +0000 From: "john meister" <john-at-> Subject: Re: rust way cool, I even got a tow dolly that'll hold an FSJ... It brung my 69 Wag home... and then to tom's... It also drug one from Idaho to here... needs new tires though... john btw, it's fer sale. come on out, buy a rust free wag and a hd tow dolly, just think, you won't even have to dead head... :) > Joe, I've got a tow dolly, but I don't think it's got the capacity for a > fsj. I'll try it out for sure sometime. All I've had on it so far are > studebakers (and that seemed to be a good sized load for it). > You'd be surprised on how many guys are making trips back & forth from the > west with rust free old cars for sale here and out east. > Maybe we've stumbled on a new career for John. Why set in Washington all > day when he could be traveling the hinterland, providing humanitarian aid to > the sheetmetal challenged parts of the country :) He could get Willie > Nelson to do a fund raiser "JEEP-AID" to kick the project off. Just think, > Old Blue spreading joy & happiness around the rust belt by delivering good > tin from west of the Mississippi! > > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the command > "unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > > > > ******************************************************** john-at- http://www. ORC-FSJ = http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/jeep/fsj Snohomish, WA USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold JEEPS:(Wagoneer Limited 81 SJ & 88 xj)and Cherokee 77 SJ no Jesus = no peace <-> know Jesus = know peace **********************************************************[Back to Top]
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