Date: 04 Dec 96 21:43:30 EST From: Michael Baxter <74172.1164-at-CompuServe.COM> Subject: I'm not the only one!!!!!!!!! "DOROTHY I. STREICH" <104346.766-at-CompuServe.COM> writes: >> I joined the list a couple of months after I got my GW this summer. I've been reading the list, and I don't understand 3/4 of what I read, << Karl, Chains are fine on a FSJ in the snow. I personally don't use chains unless I'm off-road going slow. If I had any inclination to use chains on the street, I would use cable chains and keep the speeds down to 35 or 40 MPH. I've seen what happens when a chain link breaks. I know of a new Honda that was totalled by the insurance company after breaking a chain link! As John mentioned, you should not have to chain-up on the street/hwy in an FSJ. They are very good to excellent in the snow/ice depending on tire size. If you are ever chained-up off-road in deep snow and you get stuck, don't spin any wheels and get out and take the chains off. You can dig big deep holes in nothing flat w/ chains on the tires. I pulled a friends CJ-2A off of Pevine Pk (8300 ft. just NW of town) after he buried the thing so deep I could have walked off the snow on to the top of his hood without taking a step up. Somewhere I have pictures. Hey that's another use for a CJ. "They often get stuck in such a way as to present a challenge to the SJ pulling them out. Beats the usual no brainers like pulling School Busses out of ditches." Right Doc? -- Michael Baxter at 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 04-Dec-1996 !^NavFont01F000DMGuHG~MGA5HK~4236[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 04 Dec 96 22:19:26 EST From: rdmbfe-at-micro.lucent.com (M_B_FEICK) Subject: Ignition Module Question for you guys... Up to which year starting with '78 are the ignition modules the same for the 360 motor. (I want to grab a spare from the yard) Brad Feick '78 J20 p.s. I personally would not advertise this list (we may get more like me)[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 04 Dec 1996 19:35:16 -0800 From: Sam Lewis <wagoneer-at-tehabi.com> Subject: Re: Should we advertise! >If the listmom could block flame throwers, which is an awful lot to ask >considering wagoneer sam's incredible charity already... then it >might work. Here's my thoughts on the subject: 1. The server has crashed a few times requiring a few 11pm trip to the office to restart it (no fun). A few addresses have been problamatic, causing a bounce for every message to the list coming to me (no fun). The list is running about 93 members as of now. About half of what I would be comfortable with on the hardware/software its on now. If the list outgrows the hardware/software/connection I have available to me I will have to abandon the admin of the list. But I will make every effort to keep the list alive as long as I can. 2. New members bring new knowledge, ideas, insight. Out of 93 members I would guess that only at most 25 post. And about 75 percent are fsj related. I would think that if a magazine or other media makes it very clear the purpose of the list (Full Size Jeeps) and only posts the web address. Then someone will have to go to some trouble to get on the list. Therefore hopefully that process would weed out some lowlifes. So I wouldn't mind if anyone advertises, but point people to the web site so that they can get a feel for the list before subscribing. -- Sam Lewis '82 Wagoneer Limited San Diego, CA[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 04 Dec 1996 21:54:35 CST From: Eric P Dean <ericdean-at-iastate.edu> Subject: Power window problems Hi all, I am also a non-mechanical type and I really enjoy my 80 GW Limited. I've been using it as a daily commuter and leaving my Acura Integra in the garage. The old dear has been such a fun ride until the driver's side power window decided to self-destruct. There was a loud clunk, something metal broke loose and fell inside the door and the window would no longer go up. Then after closing the door the glass disappeared into the door. It is awful cold here is IA to drive around without a driver side window. Is this an easy fix for the non-mechanical or should I take it to someone more skilled. I am also having the same grinding problem with shifting into 4wd low. Please share your solution with the list as it seems that several others are in the same boat or sled. :~) The steering in the Wag is very vague and has about 4-6" of play. Is this just the way it is? or is there a problem. The vehicle does wander especially at highway speeds. I wrote the list a few months ago as Nubian 4wder and received much generous advice and assistance. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. THIS IS A GREAT LIST!!!!! I don't always get a chance to read all the posts (120+) just today, but whenever I do, it is always enjoyable and informative. Eric Dean 80 GW Limited Ames IA[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 04 Dec 1996 22:58:04 -0500 From: Gary Sanders <gws-at-n8emr.nitetech.com> Subject: Jeep wagoneer. The saga continues. Michael, I finally (finally) got a chance to get a better look at the inside and outside of the 86 wagon. No place on the outside was a mention of it being a grand wagoneer, only a single wagoneer name plate on the tailgate. I did however find the owners manual and it confirmed that it is a GW. Got a chance to drive it for a few minutes. Couldnt go to far, the defroster switch is stuck OFF and its a bit cold out here now a days and the windshield freezes pretty qucik. It got some zip from a dead start, mounds sounds strong and breaks strong with no pull under hard emergency breaking. Still has a problem with the select trac switch not working. Owner says its a vacume line or the switch but thats the one stumbling block for me. Is it an inexpenive switch or a big $$$ problem. Body was in great shape, Back tailgate show no signs of rust on the bottom of the gate, hindges all around look good. Rocker panels good, clean inside and out. Engine aounds good but did have some dieseling after it was shut off. Been setting for several months with almost no use. At 09:43 PM 12/4/96 EST, you wrote: > >> I am still in flux as to what it is. I do beleive it is a full size. > Looks like a grand wagoneer, has a the 258 6 cylinder inline. I dont know >enough of what XJ/TJ/vs CJ but learning.. << > > Gary, I may be mistaken but, I think after 1984 all full-size Wags. were >called "Grand Wagoneer." The standard engine in 1986 was indeed the 258 cu. >in. six cylinder. > > It's also possible to find a 258 in a XJ Wagoneer but, they are very, very >rare. > > I wouldn't suggest the 258 for towing unless you do it with a fairly light >trailer (> 3,000 lbs) on predominately flat ground. > > Please post to the list when you finally get to see this thing. I'm curious >to find out what it really is! > > -- Michael Baxter at 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter > From Reno, NV USA on 03-Dec-1996 > >!^NavFont01F000EMGJHG94MG96HIc3122 > > > > Gary W. Sanders gws-at-n8emr.nitetech.com packet: N8EMR -at- W8CQK Voice: 614-895-2552 (eves/weekends) "I want to be a nonconformist, just like all my friends"[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 04 Dec 1996 23:05:04 -0500 From: Gary Sanders <gws-at-n8emr.nitetech.com> Subject: Re: Should we advertise! I will give my 2 cents on the advertising from the point of a very new users of the list. After looking at the number of message I generated I may be an abuser, not sure. I can say that I would not have taken a second look at either of the wagoneers if I didnt get some of the early info from the list. When looking at a offbeat (yes a 17K/year production total vehicle is offbeat) vehicle its nice to have someone with experience that can answer some simple or even stupid questions about the vehicle. In just a few days I have learned more about the FSJ that I would have though possible. Gary W. Sanders gws-at-n8emr.nitetech.com packet: N8EMR -at- W8CQK Voice: 614-895-2552 (eves/weekends) "I want to be a nonconformist, just like all my friends"[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 23:36:28 -0500 From: Widetrac80-at-aol.com Subject: Re: Ignition Module I know by the late 70's its a Ford Duraspark III, Fords V8s from the same era should have the same box, Ive heard jeep sixes and eights used that same little box...! By the way, its only about 18 bucks at Wal-Mart...[Back to Top]
Date: 04 Dec 96 23:49:05 EST From: Michael Baxter <74172.1164-at-CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: ++'79 Cherokee Parts?++ jorden-at-mopac.amd.com (Pat Jorden) writes: >> the new power valve was quite different looking from the old one, i am considering putting the old one back in. it may be that the kit had a single stage power valve instead of a 2 stage power valve... ring a bell with anyone? << Pat, I got a note inside a kit recently that said the "power valve has been redesigned and might look different than the one being removed. It is functionally equivalent to the OEM valve" I have the luxury of still having the tags attached to mine (because I'm the only one who rebuilt them over the years). With the tag, I can always get the correct kit. A suggestion for anyone else on the list doing a rebuild w/o the carb. tag number would be to post a message here and find someone with the Service Manual for your year (assuming you don't have one). Ask them to give you a run down of the potential carb. numbers to narrow the field a little. A single-stage power valve would be have a much, much shorter tower on one side of the valve than the other. Like no tower at all if I remember correctly. They are just a doughnut looking thing with a diaphragm in the middle (you can see the diaphragm easily) The two stage valves have towers on both sides of the boss that you use your trusty 7/8" wrench to unscrew the thing from the carb. body. The two stages have a brass thing at the end of the tower that you can press down and you can't easily see any diaphragms. BTW guys, ListMom's '82 Wag. was equipped with the 2150. That's the first 2150 I have ever seen on another FSJ besides my two. You gotta love them carbs. at 6,000 ft. plus! -- Michael Baxter at 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 04-Dec-1996 !^NavFont01F000DMGgHGpMGDFHLeE99A[Back to Top]
Date: 04 Dec 96 23:49:18 EST From: Michael Baxter <74172.1164-at-CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: NP208 shifting/rebuilding questions Tom Anhalt <tanhalt-at-earthlink.net> writes: >> After reading Mark's post, I tried that last night. Seems to work a little better. Have to be in nuetral on the transmission though. << Cool! Keep experimenting and I'll bet you can find the right combo. not to grind at all going in/out of low-range. Just slip the tranny into Neutral and go lightning fast to the t-case lever and shift. It works great for me. I can get into and out of low-range w/o grinding a single tooth. 2WD LOW-RANGE: adding to the discussion about 2WD low range, it is nice when you have good traction but need lower gear like John described. I find steep hills occasionally in campgrounds when I'm towing/backing-up my trailer and 2WD low-range is real nice. Since I can shift the t-case into low-range so easily as above, I have received comments from Ford/Chevy/Dodge drivers about how "effortlessly" I backed my trailer into my camping spot. I just tell them "that's because it's a Jeep." ...snicker. BTW, BW Q-T with part-time conversion = 2WD low-range without even turning the front drive shaft. It's soooo kewl! -- Michael Baxter at 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 04-Dec-1996 !^NavFont01F000AMGhHGqHJ8807A9[Back to Top]
Date: 04 Dec 96 23:49:11 EST From: Michael Baxter <74172.1164-at-CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: Jeff !!!!!!!!!!!! "Jeff Gunn" <jgunn-at-hou.varco.com> writes: >> The fittings I am speaking of are on the joint which is enclosed by the steering knuckle. I think I am using the correct terms... << Jeff, those are not greasable as long as they have never been changed since new. You just have to wait until one starts to go (you'll know). Replacement axle shaft joints usually have zirk fittings and can be greased. I had to replace one on the Wag. The Chero's have never been changed. In fact, no u-joint on the Chero had ever required changing (100,000 miles now). I just grease them all once a year. -- Michael Baxter at 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 04-Dec-1996 !^NavFont01F000EMGgHGpMG92HHDE36D2[Back to Top]
Date: 04 Dec 96 23:49:41 EST From: Michael Baxter <74172.1164-at-CompuServe.COM> Subject: MaestroJohn Zepz-at-aol.com writes: >> Nahhh, lets sit around drink a beer and check out rigs. Mike B. can do the honors with that TVS of his. << Heck w/ the TVS, I'm drinking beer with you! I'd probably bring one of my Canon SLRs anyway. They are all MF and when I'm 3 beers down in low-light, I can just dial the distance on the lens and shoot. The TVS is likely to decide it doesn't have enough contrast to focus, right when everyone moons a CJ driver, and refuse to fire. Which might incline me to find out just exactly how tough that titanium frame really is. Tip of the day: Stay away from fire hydrants :-). Whew...my Clipboard enhancement program just "dinged" which means that was the last item in the stack and I'm all caught-up! Okay list server...go ahead...I dare you......send me another digest :-) -- Michael Baxter at 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 04-Dec-1996 !^NavFont01F000AMGTHG]HI8C45F1[Back to Top]
Date: 04 Dec 96 23:49:24 EST
From: Michael Baxter <74172.1164-at-CompuServe.COM>
Subject: SV: NP208 shifting/rebuilding questions
"=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Frank_Alm=E5s?=" <falmaas-at-online.no> writes:
>. I converted mine into air-activated, it holds and activates much more
stable than the vacuum unit and it's a good time to build air supply for
air tools aswell. <<
Frank, I made a mental note when you posted that info. to the list (maybe I
saw in one John/Doc's page?). I may want to know details someday! My vacuum
works perfectly 100% of the time right now and I do have one spare used and
one NOS actuator but, ...
I also have a NOS switch that turns on the dash light for the BW Q-T. I'm
saving for a rainy day :-).
-- Michael Baxter at 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter
From Reno, NV USA on 04-Dec-1996
!^NavFont01F000FMG{HG3DMGC1HHDDA9D1
[Back to Top]Date: 04 Dec 96 23:49:34 EST From: Michael Baxter <74172.1164-at-CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: 2.5L ... 4.2L ... inline 4 or 6? john <john-at-> writes: >> the V-6 (2.8L) is the one to steer clear of. << IMO, the bad 2.8L engines are dead and gone by now. There is no doubt a bunch of poorly built ones were installed on XJs but, I have known two 2.8s that went 170,000 and 220,000 before being sold. The 170,000 one was owned by a friend (who just moved to Borlando BTW) who towed a horse trailer with it regularly. Way too much trailer for an XJ IMO. She is now on her third new Jeep since(ZJ). -- Michael Baxter at 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 04-Dec-1996 !^NavFont01F000EMGcHGlMG48HH85E6A6[Back to Top]
Date: 04 Dec 96 23:49:29 EST From: Michael Baxter <74172.1164-at-CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: Should we advertise! wmbecht-at-sni.net (Wm Bechtel) writes: >> God - - I love this talk - - of fittings, diodes & drain holes! << ROFL...I hope you find another one day that is a little less of a LEMON (imagine sucking on a nice ripe juicy lemon half here......does your mouth water?) :-). -- Michael Baxter at 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 04-Dec-1996 !^NavFont01F000EMGbHGkMG55HGDA6FB4[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 04 Dec 1996 20:40:06 -0800
From: Kara Moloney and Mick Delaney <karaandmick-at-telis.org>
Subject: Re: Should we advertise!
At 03:13 PM 12/3/96 -0800, you wrote:
>there is the positive about invite only !!
>it does keep the subject sedate!
>
> Sincerely
>
> Ken Wetherall
> kenns-at-concentric.net
>
AHA,
so there is a secret server command:
SET SUBSCRIBER KEN VERBOSE MODE
alternatively,
wht Kn, r u ill?
mick
[Back to Top]Date: Wed, 04 Dec 1996 20:40:02 -0800
From: Kara Moloney and Mick Delaney <karaandmick-at-telis.org>
Subject: Re: SV: ++'79 Cherokee Parts?++
>
>> Any hope of finding a carb kit for my newly rebuilt 360?
>> It's in a '79 Cherokee Wide Track.
>> I taked to Jeep here in town about the carb kit & they say it's
>> no longer made. Are there any parts books that have exchange
>> lists?
>>
Go to PEP boys - I just got a carb kit for my 75 wag. I think the
cost was around $25. You need the tag on the carb. Otherwise, use the manual
to identify.
mick
[Back to Top]Date: 05 Dec 96 02:01:00 EST From: Michael Baxter <74172.1164-at-CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: SV: Q-Trac steering knuckle "Jeff Gunn" <jgunn-at-hou.varco.com> writes: >> I have a Q-trac (have I said that too many times yet?) without the low range gear box. In the gloe box, there is a knob for "emergency use". >From what I have seen/heard, this locks the front and rear diffs, so that if you have excessive slip you can get yourself out of whatever you're stuck in. I do not have a "neutral" on my transfer case that I know of. << Frank Helmes tackled this already. The vacuum switch in the glove box locks the front and rear drive shafts together. The differentials in the front and rear axles are open unless changed by a previous owner. You do not have a Neutral in your Q-T. That comes with the low-range unit. Even if you had the low-range, there is no detent for Neutral. It's just half way between low range and high range like Frank pointed out. The toughest part about swapping in a low-range unit is buying the worth it's weight in gold Q-T fluid and having to remove the front drivers seat & door sill molding so you can get the carpet out of the way to mount the shifter/linkage. -- Michael Baxter at 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 04-Dec-1996 !^NavFont01F000EMGgHGpMH48HJ65CA1A[Back to Top]
Date: 05 Dec 96 02:01:09 EST From: Michael Baxter <74172.1164-at-CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: Should we advertise! ksquilt-at-express-news.net writes: >> Although not a charter member, I'd like to add my .02 worth.<< I want to second what John already said. Being a "charter member" carries no more weight around here than a member of the group who just subscribed yesterday. I'm sure I speak for everyone: Don't feel intimidated by our loud keyboards. We want this list to be equally accessible to all those in the group now or join it in the future. Some of us have more experience with our FSJs than others and some of us have more free time to spend in front of our computers than others but, that doesn't mean we don't want to hear your ideas or opinions. If you have a better way, want to add something or just want to tell us about your FSJ (no matter how bad you think it is) we want to hear from you. If you post a message on the list and no one answers, post it again and tell us what a band of insensitive reprobates (I love that word! ..Chris used it already on this subject) we are. And it warms my heart (or is that my legs? ....did I put-off going to the bathroom for too long again?) when a new guy like Jeff Gunn goes off and posts a beautiful How To on changing a rear axle bearing. The person with the "most recent experience" is probably always the best source of "How To's" and "Don't Do What I Did's." Do to the increased traffic on the list, you may not get as many accolades and "atta boys" when you post something worthy of the primary subject as have been known to traverse cyberspace on the list in the past. Trust me, at least one person appreciates your post a great deal. What goes around comes around and you will benefit greatly at some point in the future for the time and effort you put into helping others in the group. I will have to return to my career someday and I can only hope that my knowledge of FSJs will be imparted on as many of you on the list as possible and you will be able to carry on the torch. (BTW, that doesn't mean I won't be on the list at all. It just means I won't be able to participate to the extent that my time allows now) You know, I dared that server to send me another digest and the dang thing did just that! -- Michael Baxter at 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 04-Dec-1996 !^NavFont01F000EMG`HGiMG53HMC8D354[Back to Top]
Date: 05 Dec 96 02:01:14 EST From: Michael Baxter <74172.1164-at-CompuServe.COM> Subject: FSJs in commercials. I've been meaning to post this for a long time. There are 3 commercials running on TV right now that star Wags. Two of them are towing Airstreams. One for a cereal brand and the other is for Correlle Diner Ware. The cereal commercial features a squirrel behind the wheel of the Wag. while the family is eating breakfast in the trailer. The third commercial is for Miracle Ear and it has a grandfather and granddaughter driving off for a day of fishing in a Wag. w/ fishing poles hanging out of the back. Watch for them, -- Michael Baxter at 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 04-Dec-1996 !^NavFont01F0007MGHHHA8DB34[Back to Top]
Date: 05 Dec 96 02:01:40 EST From: "DOROTHY I. STREICH" <104346.766-at-CompuServe.COM> Subject: Address I know you're probably sick to death of typing your address in, but would you PPLLEEAASSEEEE (please) do it one more time. I promise I wont loose it this time I hope... Karl Streich 79 Chief[Back to Top]
Date: 05 Dec 96 02:01:34 EST From: "DOROTHY I. STREICH" <104346.766-at-CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: Levis Seats > Actually, I was responding to Wm. Bechtel, but anyone who has a vette > and Levis Jeep (of any kind) can feel free to respond <g>. If fact, > anyone who has any clue where (or how) I can get some pretty Levis seats > or covers, feel free to join in. If you missed the original post, my > wife likes the Levis interior, so it is vitally important that I keep > the seats original! > > Jeff Gunn > '78 Cherokee Levis > (The Levis sticker makes it go faster!) Try my favorite place, J&W. It is a junk yard, but they usually have piles of surplus new-old stock from who knows where. No promises, but I have seen seat covers there <don't know what kind> but ALL they do is Jeeps. Its worth a try. They really know their stuff. J&W auto wreckers 8626 Antelope North Rd. Antelope, CA (916)969-7050 Karl Streich 79 Chief, white PS: > (The Levis sticker makes it go faster!) My foot makes mine go fast enough. I slowed down when I realized I hit 105, and that was with the exaust on :) Hey-everyone should know how fast their car is, but I promise I wont do it again...for a while...maby...[Back to Top]
Date: 05 Dec 96 02:01:37 EST From: "DOROTHY I. STREICH" <104346.766-at-CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: EFI and all that... > Subject: EFI and all that... > > John, > > At least get some information on the Howell EFI > setup before buying the equipment below. The > Howell kit, designed for Jeeps, includes an > electric fuel pump, closed loop capability, > and a real "learning" computer (ECM) to control > the whole thing. That box that Holley ships and > calls the "computer" is a joke. I hear the newer > ($$$) Digital Holley ProJection setup is closer to > what Howell has been selling for years. > > You are an Engineer (I assume, Boeing right?), > call Howell, talk to Bill Howell, ask him some > questions. > > BTW, I'm running a +45 psi electric fuel pump using > the stock GW steel fuel lines. No problem. Easy > install. > > -Ken > Where can I get info on the Howell EFI, and price is a factor too. My plans for now are jacobs or MSD ignition then fuel injection, then the rest of the engine, and somewhere in the middle 4"lift, 3/4 or 1 ton axeles, and 33-12.50-16's Karl Streich 79 Chief love it/love it more/want more!!!! (HE HE HE) Must get FSJ's Strong Addiction, I feel withdrawls comming on!!!!![Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 96 05:55:59 UT From: "ROBERT MACLAY" <MACJEEPER-at-msn.com> Subject: RE: 74-80 Parts List Hey guys, If you are interested in getting the parts list from Chrysler Corp. You can get in Microfiche for $30.00!!!!! Order it thru you local Jeep dealer or call direct at (810) 497-0838. The 74-80 All Models (Old Text Style) Microfiche Part # JM-740-800. The 62-73 J-Series (Old Text Style) Microfiche also available for $30. Part # JM-760-730. You can go down to a library and access your microfiche for parts. Hope that can be of some help! BTW I have both microfiche(s) in my garage with viewer to find my parts for my Gladiator! Just Monday ordered a new gas tank fuel sender unit from Specialty Jeep Parts. Take care, Mac Robert Maclay 1970 Jeep J-3000 Suisun City, CA (707) 421-9057[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 96 06:28:58 UT From: "ROBERT MACLAY" <MACJEEPER-at-msn.com> Subject: RE: Junkyards Hey Karl I'm suprised you haven't called or even sent email!!!! There is several junkyards in Fairfield that have Jeep parts ie. Wag/ J-Series etc... Pick N' pull on Airbase Pkwy.; several yards on Peabody from Travis AFB. Give me a call if you need to talk FSJ stuff!!!!! Even know of a guy in Vacaville with an independent front end P/U truck and several others in the local area. Yes, I'm going on the Winter Fun Festival in Grass Valley including the "Night Sortie" Friday evening run. I have applications for all those people who need info or want to try the California snow run(s). Come on, I'll challenge you in the River Bottom Games on Sunday. Blind Man Drivers course, obstacle course, etc... Show Me What a FSJ could/ can DO!!!! Talk to ya all later, Mac Robert Maclay 1970 Jeep J-3000 P/U Suisun City, CA 94585 (707) 421-9057 or macjeeper-at-msn.com[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 96 05:33:36 UT From: "ROBERT MACLAY" <MACJEEPER-at-msn.com> Subject: RE: Should we advertise! Hey Ken, Go for it! We always need more avenues of resources to expand the list and membership so we can takeover the trails of 4-wheeling with the FSJ's and show the smaller rigs we can do it too!!!!! P.S.Thanks for the help on Sunday with the Wag. to Martinez Talk to ya' all later, Mac[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 04 Dec 1996 23:39:39 -0800
From: john <john-at->
Subject: Re: Should we advertise!
if we do go "public" we could limit message length... It sure
would limit the trailer crude and keep me from rambling... :)
the Jeep-List has a limit. My engine info exceeded the limit...
If we do advertise perhaps we should have somebody screen incoming
requests... give out their email address and let them deal with
the requests to make sure we have "normal" (say use doc and me as
examples, well, maybe that's not a good example... :) folks that
we know something about before we just let them jump on... ALmost
everyone on the list came in through one of our web pages, posts,
email or word of mouth... pretty much, we all know each other...
Just think. What would some of the new subscribers do without the
info we share? I tell ya what, they'd get ripped off big time from
dealers or shops...
What we're concerned about (we being the folks that have been on
the list since it started) is the increased risk of flame wars and
so much traffic that we lose friends in the flood of info...
john
At 09:43 PM 12/4/96 EST, Michael Baxter wrote:
>"Kenneth E. Wetherall" <kenns-at-concentric.net> writes:
>
> It's not privacy I'm worried about. It's how much extra traffic ListMom can
>handle before the thing goes TU more than it does now.
>
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[Back to Top]Date: Thu, 05 Dec 1996 08:40:00 +0100 From: tommy.lovsund-at-seinf.mail.abb.com Subject: Re: 74-80 Jeep Parts Book Prices Yes, I'm still interested. Any idea how much shipping it to Sweden will cost? can you please check on air and surface mail rates. Tommy the Swedish SJ.[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 05 Dec 1996 08:54:00 +0100 From: tommy.lovsund-at-seinf.mail.abb.com Subject: Re: ++'79 Cherokee Parts?++ >> Is it a 2 v or a 4v? the 2 barrel is available at any auto parts store, its << >> an autolite 2150, or 2100, ford used it on a zillion applications....about 24 << >> bucks at my autozone.., it is not a very good carb though :) << 2100 production ended early '71 sometime, 4V version was called 4100, neither one was available on a FSJ I'm sorry to say. Why's that? They are among the best carbs ever made, no one have sucessfully copied them yet although Holley tries very hard with their 4010/4011 series. Later Ford carbs are not that good as they added all sorts of equip. for pollution control. If anyone gets picky about dates and application I'll have to check when I get home. Later, Tommy[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 05 Dec 1996 00:03:31 -0800 From: john <john-at-> Subject: Re: Ignition Module Brad, we want more like you... :) john At 10:19 PM 12/4/96 EST, M_B_FEICK wrote: >Question for you guys... >Up to which year starting with '78 are the ignition modules the same for the >360 motor. (I want to grab a spare from the yard) > >Brad Feick >'78 J20 > >p.s. I personally would not advertise this list (we may get more like me)[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 05 Dec 1996 00:17:13 -0800
From: john <john-at->
Subject: Re: Power window problems
Eric,
I love it "the old dear"...
>The old dear has been such a fun ride until the driver's side power
>window decided to self-destruct. There was a loud clunk, something
>metal broke loose and fell inside the door and the window would no
>longer go up. Then after closing the door the glass disappeared into
>the door. It is awful cold here is IA to drive around without a driver
>side window. Is this an easy fix for the non-mechanical or should I
>take it to someone more skilled.
On yer winder, the bottom of the window sits in a metal channel,
the channel attaches to the arm via 2 c clips. It's very likely that
1) your window came out of the rubber seal into the metal channel, or
2) the metal channel departed this world by way of rust, or
3) the c clips decided to part company with the little arms
all in all I agree it's too cold to drive with the window down...
this is a common problem and not beyond your capablity... The first
time this happened to me I was going through customs coming back from
Victoria BC and getting ready to get on a ferry, rolled the window down
and it just kept on a going... I pulled the panel off in the ferry line
and (no rude comments doc...) pushed the window back up into the normal
location in the door (i.e. closed) and whipped out my trusty roll of,
what do you call this stuff Indy Joe?, you know the 100 mile per hour
tape... duck tape, er duct tape... when I got home I found the
aforementioned rusted out track. Being of Bohemian upbringing, I
welded more metal onto my track and reassembled it... normal folks
would probably have gone down and bought a new or used one... Buy
extra clips, you'll never regret it...
Easy and relatively inexpensive fix... go fer it...
>The steering in the Wag is very vague and has about 4-6" of play. Is
>this just the way it is? or is there a problem. The vehicle does wander
>especially at highway speeds.
Check your steering box. Either the bolts are loose, your steering
box is worn, the steering arm is worn or your frame is cracked where
the box mounts to it... I broke the frame on my 67... they redesigned
it on later models... Old Blue seems to be fine... (81)
it could just be the loose nut behind the wheel that's frozen in place too...
(sorry... :) you're suffering enough... just how cold is it there now?
we've been in the 30 to 45 range for a few weeks... should warm back
up to the 40's before too long... plenty of rain... what surprised me
is we've already had 3 or 4 snow falls... And did ya hear, Moscow Russia
is facing it's warmest winter in 100 years!
john
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"When they came for the 2nd Amendment, I said nothing, for I owned no gun
Then the sixth was next to go, and I remained silent, as I was not on trial
They took away the fourth, and I said nothing, as I had nothing to hide
And then they came for the First, and I could say nothing."
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81 (SJ) & 88 (XJ) Jeep Wagoneer Limited
Snohomish, WA - where jeeps don't rust, they mold.
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[Back to Top]Date: Thu, 05 Dec 1996 00:30:13 -0800
From: john <john-at->
Subject: Re: Jeep wagoneer. The saga continues.
At 10:58 PM 12/4/96 -0500, Gary Sanders wrote:
>Still has a problem with the select trac switch not working. Owner says its
>a vacume line or the switch but thats the one stumbling block for me. Is it
>an inexpenive switch or a big $$$ problem.
There are two places to check on the NP229 setup.
1) the front axle shift motor
2) the vacuum switch on the side of the xfr case.
The vacuum system is a bit convoluted and they use hard plastic line.
If you're not in a real hurry I do have the vacuum diagram for the
NP229 laying around here somewhere... Wait, didn't somebody have
one all drawn out before??? (see, this is why I'm trying to figure
out the history of the list... I have to scope things... otherwise
I see things that didn't happen... :)
I remember helping a friend chase a problem like this on an XJ with
that xfr case... turned out to be a $15 switch on the xfr case.
I've busted the shift fork in the front axle before, about $18...
If both ends are turning that's a good indication that the chain is
ok... You could pull the fill plug on the back of the case and
see/feel the chain... you could disconnect the vacuum line on
the shift motor on the front axle and use a vaccum pump to see if
the driveshaft engages... (I've tried to do this without a pump,
and I cannot create enough vacuum to pull the motor in...) I think
we did run a line up to a port and tried to test it that way...
JUST BECAREFUL, don't disconnect too many lines at once. I've
confused stuff and blown stuff up connecting wires and lines that
looked like they should go together... Assume that the lines are
where they should be until you have a diagram or an expert's help...
later,
john
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"When they came for the 2nd Amendment, I said nothing, for I owned no gun
Then the sixth was next to go, and I remained silent, as I was not on trial
They took away the fourth, and I said nothing, as I had nothing to hide
And then they came for the First, and I could say nothing."
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81 (SJ) & 88 (XJ) Jeep Wagoneer Limited
Snohomish, WA - where jeeps don't rust, they mold.
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[Back to Top]Date: Thu, 05 Dec 1996 00:33:15 -0800
From: john <john-at->
Subject: Re: Should we advertise!
At 11:05 PM 12/4/96 -0500, Gary Sanders wrote:
>In just a few days I have learned more
>about the FSJ that I would have though possible.
so have we Gary... like I said before, it's always fun
to spend someone else's money. and it's always wiser to learn
from somebody else's mistakes... or problems... It helps
me to remember all the stuff I've fixed that I've forgotten about.
thanx for helping to keep my brain cells alive... :) I love
troubleshooting and problem solving. and it feels great to
actually help somebody and to realize that I figgered it out... cool.
john
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"When they came for the 2nd Amendment, I said nothing, for I owned no gun
Then the sixth was next to go, and I remained silent, as I was not on trial
They took away the fourth, and I said nothing, as I had nothing to hide
And then they came for the First, and I could say nothing."
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john-at- http://www./~john
81 (SJ) & 88 (XJ) Jeep Wagoneer Limited
Snohomish, WA - where jeeps don't rust, they mold.
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[Back to Top]Date: Thu, 05 Dec 1996 09:31:00 +0100 From: tommy.lovsund-at-seinf.mail.abb.com Subject: Slush box query. Have anyone tried a shift kit? picked up one for my TH400 tranny, I think it shifts too soft now but question is will it be too hard/rough afterwards? If so, might as well leave it as is... One more q, without starting engine, is there a sure way to tell which oil cooler line is the return line? Tommy[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 05 Dec 1996 00:37:05 -0800
From: john <john-at->
Subject: I FOUND THE PART NUMBER for the grease fittings...
At 11:49 PM 12/4/96 EST, Michael Baxter wrote:
>"Jeff Gunn" <jgunn-at-hou.varco.com> writes:
>> >> The fittings I am speaking of are on the joint which is enclosed by the
>> steering knuckle. I think I am using the correct terms... <<
>
J-25512-2 Double Cardan Lube Fitting Adapter
Alemite Lube fitting adapter 6783: needle type lube gun nozzle...
(it helped the NAPA guy figure out what the heck I was trying to
say... :)
john
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"When they came for the 2nd Amendment, I said nothing, for I owned no gun
Then the sixth was next to go, and I remained silent, as I was not on trial
They took away the fourth, and I said nothing, as I had nothing to hide
And then they came for the First, and I could say nothing."
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john-at- http://www./~john
81 (SJ) & 88 (XJ) Jeep Wagoneer Limited
Snohomish, WA - where jeeps don't rust, they mold.
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[Back to Top]Date: Thu, 05 Dec 1996 00:43:05 -0800 From: john <john-at-> Subject: Re:2.8L V6s... Some folks are luckier than others. Look at me, I got 230,000 miles out of an Oldsmobile Diesel. My MJ had 160,000 on the V-6, when Tom tried to fix the front oil seal leak he killed it... It really is amazing how much difference the driver can make... I drove a friends Pinto from Disgusta, GA to somewhere in Kentucky with no problems. We swap drivers and within 30 miles he had the transmission scattered all over I-65... Took me a day to get home to IL... then the bum never showed up for the ride back to GA... and I had to drive through a blizzard on I-65, it didn't clear up until I got south of Indy... how the heck did we get here???? good bye... john At 11:49 PM 12/4/96 EST, Michael Baxter wrote: >john <john-at-> writes: > > >> the V-6 (2.8L) is the one to steer clear of. << > > IMO, the bad 2.8L engines are dead and gone by now. There is no doubt a bunch >of poorly built ones were installed on XJs but, I have known two 2.8s that >went 170,000 and 220,000 before being sold. The 170,000 one was owned by a >friend (who just moved to Borlando BTW) who towed a horse trailer with it >regularly. Way too much trailer for an XJ IMO. She is now on her third new >Jeep since(ZJ). >[Back to Top]
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