FSJ-List-Digest-167

Sunday, February 9, 1997 9:16:31 PM

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Date:  Sat, 08 Feb 1997 19:20:35 -0800
From: "Kenneth E. Wetherall" <kenns-at-concentric.net>
Subject: Re: wish list for NORMAL FSJ's... :)

oh  pucky..

if u REALLY want tpi u can have the body of
ur current manifold drilled for the rails of the tpi!!

john wrote:
> 
> At 03:18 PM 2/8/97 -0600, JenHen wrote:
> >Cool. An aftemarket wish list. How about TPI (NOT TBI) for the Buick 350?
> >
> >Yeah, I know. Keep wishing, Henry.
> >>Henry
> 
> Henry, Henry, Henry...  sheesh... how many FSJ's are out there
> that have a Buick 350???  2, 3?  The bulk of us aren't blessed
> with such problems...   you know, like picking up a speed catalog
> and actually having options...  What we're talking about here
> is for those of us plagued with 360's and such... :)
> 
> Now I'm going to display my ignorance and ask why the goodies for
> a 350 Chevy couldn't be adapted to a 350 Buick... :)  just a thought...
> 

-- 
 Sincerely

 kenneth e. wetherall        
 kenns-at-concentric.net

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Date:  Sat, 08 Feb 1997 19:22:24 -0800
From: "Kenneth E. Wetherall" <kenns-at-concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Jeep j4000 gladiator

yes i do, but ill also send ur Q to the full size jeep 
mailing list.

FTREAT9191 wrote:
> 
> Recently bought a 1971 Jeep J4000 Gladiator and having a hard time getting
> parts for it. Does anyone know about this vehicle, or how to get parts.

-- 
 Sincerely

 kenneth e. wetherall    67 Super wagoneer    
 kenns-at-concentric.net

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Date:  Sat, 8 Feb 1997 19:19:25 +0100
From: "R. Laureano" <rotil-at-premier1.net>
Subject: Scanner available

Have a color scanner available.  Thought to make a little capacity availble
to the group.  If you've got a photo of your jeep you want scanned let me
know.  I can't guarantee anything like 24hr turnaround or anything, but
I'll scan it as soon as I can, but hey, the service is free, all it'll cost
you is a little postage :-)!

Roti
80 Wag



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Date:  08 Feb 97 23:43:29 EST
From: "DOROTHY I. STREICH" <104346.766-at-CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Write up on Mr Chief

Hello and welcome to my Jeep...This is a '79 that I purchased in March of '95.
First order of business was to make it go further than across town.  I replaced
a leaky fuel pump and water pump, then the carburetor.  A motorcraft 2150 set me
back $300.  The transfer case chain brokeso I purchased a quadratrack and
rebuilt it to part time with overdrive, $500.  I also replaced the carpeting and
discovered that the optional floorboards were optioning themselves away.  I
later added a grant GT steering wheel and am now almost through with the killer
stereo system, 2-6 1/2"& 2-6*9 kapas, 50 watts each and 2-12" earthquake sub's,
lots of watts each.  Following is a list of planned additions to "Mr Chief"...


3-4" lift
33" tires
Built 401
New paint
New interior
3/4 ton axles
Fuel injection
Monaco seats
Jacobs ignition
Hydraulic winch
Too many lights
And much more!!!


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Date:  08 Feb 97 23:43:39 EST
From: "DOROTHY I. STREICH" <104346.766-at-CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Sweet J20

I saw a very nice, just restored 1 owner 76 J20.  The guy said he put $7,000
into it.  It had a 4v 360, RV cam, Jacobs ignition, factory PTO winch, <as
opposed to the wenches advertised on some jeeps>  5th wheel, and green interior.
He said he wants to sell it for $6,500 in about 6 months.  Its only fault was
the fact that ford hubcaps were used.

Karl Streich                           |~|                 
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Date:  08 Feb 97 23:43:44 EST
From: "DOROTHY I. STREICH" <104346.766-at-CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Re: blocks?

> >How come the fronts (springs) are usually replaced but not
> >the rears? 
> 
> Because it is dangerous to use blocks on the front end.

When breaking<As in slowing, or is that spelled differently?> the forces on the
front axel will try to twist it, pulling the bottem of the back in a spring over
truck where blocks would be used.  The block would act as a lever, then you're
in trouble, I'm not sure what would break first though.  I'm not sure if it
would cause axel hop, but if it does this is bad for both control and stoping.
Rear blocks are OK because a much lower percent of stoping is done with the rear
axel, but will increase axel hop, although this can be curbed with traction
bars.

Karl Streich
                                            
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Date:  Sat, 08 Feb 1997 23:46:13 -0500
From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-ai2a.net>
Subject: Re: ListMom appreciation time!

At 07:16 PM 2/8/97 -0800, you wrote:
>i think this guy needs a trip to see joe in indi ;)

Heck yes, come on out to beautiful Indiana, the smallest state
west of the east coast.  We have;

The Colts
corn
Pacers
corn
Indy 500
corn
Brickyard 400
corn
Flatland
corn
No hills or mountains
corn
No earthquakes
No hurricanes
No FSJs
We have blizzards
tornadoes

Oh and we have some corn fields!

C'ya
Joe-
79 Corn Chief



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Date:  Sat, 08 Feb 1997 23:51:07 -0500
From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-ai2a.net>
Subject: Re: blocks?

Mike said;
snip-

>who in there right mind would put new springs up front and keep there
>saggys in back with blocks. doesn't sound healthy to me.
>                       later,
>
Well I don't think I'd go the block route. But then again I don't
know that I'll ever need a body lift since I'm not off road :-(
What I'd like is more ground clearance for deep snow, taller tires
will do that....hmmm taller tires may need a body lift eh?
Vicious circle.......

C'ya
Joe-
79 Chief




>Mike Gibson
>magibltd-at-seacoast.com
>where the jeeps get bigger
>
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Date:  Sat, 08 Feb 1997 23:56:31 -0500
From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-ai2a.net>
Subject: Re: SV: blocks?

At 10:50 PM 2/8/97 +0100, you wrote:
>Rear blocks are just spacers between the axle and the spring pack. On my
>Trailmaster lift-kit there are add-a-leafs and blocks in the rear. The
>add-a-leafs lifts the vehicle 2" and the blocks raise another 2".
>Actualy changing the springs are a lot easier than adding add-a-leafs and
>blocks
>
>Frank
>Norway

Frank,
I did the add-a-leafs of the front of my j-10, not an easy job
by any means.  I didn't like the ride or the way it changed
the curve of the spring. Although the spring was shot, guess
add-a-leaf is cheap fix for bad springs.

This is new to me but why would wouldn't longer shackles raise 
the front a couple inches?  No? Not good?  

C'ya
Joe-
Inquiring mind in Indy



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Date:  Sun, 09 Feb 1997 00:01:25 -0500
From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-ai2a.net>
Subject: Re: Sweet J20

At 11:43 PM 2/8/97 EST, you wrote:
>I saw a very nice, just restored 1 owner 76 J20.  The guy said he put $7,000
>into it.  It had a 4v 360, RV cam, Jacobs ignition, factory PTO winch, <as
>opposed to the wenches advertised on some jeeps>  5th wheel, and green
interior.
>He said he wants to sell it for $6,500 in about 6 months.  Its only fault was
>the fact that ford hubcaps were used.
>
>Karl Streich                           |~|                 

Sounds nice Karl!  BTW I received a video on the hydralic winch
it sure appears to be MUCH better than electric, but not as
good as a pto.  

How was the body, nice?  I never did get an answer on the year
of the j-10 in Twister?

C'ya
Joe-
79 Chief


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Date:  Sat, 08 Feb 1997 22:39:05 -0800
From: Joe Schaefer <joes-at-olympus.net>
Subject: Re: Jeep j4000 gladiator

At 19:22 08-02-97 -0800, you wrote:
>yes i do, but ill also send ur Q to the full size jeep 
>mailing list.
>
>FTREAT9191 wrote:
>> 
>> Recently bought a 1971 Jeep J4000 Gladiator and having a hard time getting
>> parts for it. Does anyone know about this vehicle, or how to get parts.
>
>-- 
> Sincerely
>
> kenneth e. wetherall    67 Super wagoneer    

ftreat9191? (odd name...)

What do you want to know? If we can't help you well make something up (just
kidding..:)

Let us know, well do our best.

-jj
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Joe W. Schaefer
Nordland, WA USA
joes-at-olympus.net
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Date:  Sat, 08 Feb 1997 22:48:30 -0800
From: Joe Schaefer <joes-at-olympus.net>
Subject: Re: Sweet J20

>How was the body, nice?  I never did get an answer on the year
>of the j-10 in Twister?
>
>C'ya
>Joe-
>79 Chief


Just a guess Joe, but the stripes look like those of a 79 or 80 Honcho...?

-jj

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Date:  Sat, 08 Feb 1997 22:58:00 -0800
From: Joe Schaefer <joes-at-olympus.net>
Subject: Twister J-Truck

Joe,
Guess you've prolly been to the J-truck site but for those that haven't
it's at <http://www.mindspring.com/~us004765/jtrkwww.htm>

Follow the links from the Twister movie link and eventually you can
download a 2 min 7.5M movie trailer in MOV. or AVI. I haven't done that
yet, not sure if I have the patience.

Interesting page anyway. Even talks about M-715's! Now THAT is a truck.

Have fun...

-jj

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Date:  Sun, 09 Feb 1997 02:21:49 -0500
From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-ai2a.net>
Subject: Re: Twister J-Truck

Joe said;

>
>Interesting page anyway. Even talks about M-715's! Now THAT is a truck.
>
>Have fun...
>
>-jj
>
Joe, one of our local volunteer fire dept's has a M-175
WOW what a truck!  They use it for brush fires etc., kind
of a specialty.  Some SERIOUS wheeling could take place with
one of those!

C'ya
Joe-



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Date:  Sat, 08 Feb 1997 23:50:35 -0800
From: Joe Schaefer <joes-at-olympus.net>
Subject: M715

At 02:21 09-02-97 -0500, you wrote:
>Joe, one of our local volunteer fire dept's has a M-175
>WOW what a truck!  They use it for brush fires etc., kind
>of a specialty.  Some SERIOUS wheeling could take place with
>one of those!
>
>C'ya
>Joe-

Yeah, would be fun wouldn't it? I've driven a few in the Army and they go
seemingly anywhere. When they don't though, you need a tank retriever to
get them unstuck. Real similar to the old military power wagons but easier
to steer. Sorta... Canvas top is a bummer though :(

-jj

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Date:  Sun, 09 Feb 1997 00:08:07 -0800
From: john <john-at->
Subject: tada!

Tommy's PAGE IS DONE!
Claus' Page has coherent text!

I lunched one of my NT machines... my kid says, "Dad, we need more
disk space on the 586, why don't you take Linux off of it, you
never use it...".  "Sure son", says dingaling Dad as he goes in
nice and neatly with fdisk and removes the three Linux partitions,
boots up, formats the new partition in NT and then reboots the machine
only to find it printing one "L" and perpetual 0's across the screen.

oops... it seems that the Boot Sector is looking for Lilo.conf...  oh my.
Look in the NT books.  Nada. Look in the Linux book... oh oh.  Seems that
if you mess up the boot block you have to reformat the hard drive...  Ok,
but please mr. microsoft, let me boot up one more time in NT so I can copy
all the files over my network to a different harddrive before I format the
disk...

So the question for anybody out there is HOW DO I CREATE A BOOT DISK FOR NT
4.0 workstation????  The repair disks are NOT bootable...  If I load the
install stuff to repair it doesn't catch the boot sector problem...  I
installed NT again into the new partition thinking that it would redo the
boot sector, nope.

Anyways... I'm tired.  But by golly.  I got Tommy's pictures all scanned in
and set up.  Claus' page is also setup.

ttyl,
john
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Date:  Sun, 09 Feb 1997 02:38:07 -0800
From: john <john-at->
Subject: Swedish SJ's... FSJ page updated...

Got the Swedish SJ pages up and running:  Claus, Sune and Tommy 

Redid the main FSJ page...  added a couple more things here
and there...  changed the pictures and so on...

keep the stuff coming... I'm almost caught up... :)  
Please, ASCII info, prefer jpeg images...

later,
john
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Date:  Sun, 9 Feb 1997 08:43:17 -0500
From: "Mike Gibson" <magibltd-at-seacoast.com>
Subject: Re: blocks?

ya know joe if you want more ground clearance all fsj's stock wil fit a 31"
tire with no problem.
to go any larger with the tires you would need a 3-4 body lift and who
wants to seperate the body from frame that much. if you just want the
clearence I'd go with 31" tires or maybe 32" with a fender trim job.it's
the easiest and cheepest way to go.

Mike Gibson
magibltd-at-seacoast.com
where the jeeps get bigger

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Date:  Sat, 09 Aug 1997 08:46:24 -0700
From: dmatheny-at-mutoh.com
Subject: Re: Adj. Headlights


This is from a '77 service manual.

Headlamp Aiming Procedure

Lamps must be aimed on the low beam.  They may be aimed either with   
mechanical aimers or by using a screen.  If Mechanical Aimers C-3674 are   
used, follow instructions supplied by the aiming equipment.  If a screen   
is to be used, preparation for aiming is as follows:

(1) Locate vehicle in a darkened area with level floor and with screen   
(wall) having nonreflecting white surface.
(2) Mark reference line on floor 25 feet away from and parallel to screen   
(fig. 3-68).
(3) Position vehicle perpendicular to screen and with headlamps directly   
over reference line.
(4) Locate middle tape on screen so it is aligned with centerline of   
vehicle.
(5) Equalize all tire pressures.
(6) Rock vehicle from side to side to equalize springs and shock   
absorbers.
(7) Measure distance between vehicle headlamp centers.
(8) Position marker tapes vertically on screen to right and left of   
middle tape at half this distance.
(9) Measure distance from center of each lamp to surface on which vehicle   
rests.
(10) Position marker tape horizontally on screen to cross vertical tapes   
at measured height of each lamp center respectively.
(11) Remove headlamp doors.
(12) Clean headlamps.
(13) Turn headlamps on low beam.
NOTE: Cover the lamp not being aimed.
(14) Turn vertical aiming screw counterclockwise until lamp beam is   
considerably lower than horizontal reference line on screen (fig. 3-69).
(15) Turn screw clockwise until top edge of high intensity area is even   
with horizontal line.
(16) Turn horizontal aiming screw counterclockwise until beam is off   
centering tape.
(17) Turn same screw clockwise until left edge of high intensity area is   
2 inches to right of lamp centerline (fig. 3-68).
(18) Cover lamp that has been aimed and aim other lamp using same   
procedure.
(19) Replace headlamp doors.

I added step 19 as it was pretty obviously missing.  I could scan figs.   
3-68 and 3-69 and email them direct to anyone interested, but this is   
pretty clear without them.

C Ya,

Dan Matheny '77 J20, 360, QT; '95 ZJ Laredo, 318, QT.

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Date:  Sun, 09 Feb 1997 08:48:19 -0800
From: Joe Schaefer <joes-at-olympus.net>
Subject: Re: Adj. Headlights

At 08:46 09-08-97 -0700, you wrote:
>
>This is from a '77 service manual.
>
>Headlamp Aiming Procedure
~snip~
>C Ya,
>Dan Matheny '77 J20, 360, QT; '95 ZJ Laredo, 318, QT.
>

Dan,
Thank you for the info. From a 77 manual huh? I originally looked in a 73
manual and couldn't find anything then tried a couple of bathroom manuals
and a couple of old automotive books ...zip. Figured it's all done by
machine now.

Since it's in yours, it's got to be in one of mine. Sure enough the
procedure is in the Utility truck and wagon manual, J-series manual, 73,
76, 82 etc. Feeling small here I'll take some of my own advice and RTFM
next time. :(

Thanks for all the typing. If you type like I do, it was a monumental feat!

Humbley,

-jj

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Date:  Sun, 09 Feb 1997 13:01:47 -0500
From: Gary Sanders <gws-at-n8emr.nitetech.com>
Subject: Re: Lifts for FSJ spotted.

At 11:07 AM 2/8/97 -0800, you wrote:
I though skyjacker specificly said they had no kits for FSJ. Each time lifts
come up most folks say there is no commercial kit for the FSJ. 

Anyone try the Skyjacker/Rock Mountain kit??

>At 04:43 PM 2/7/97 -0500, you wrote:
>>
>>Well I think I found someone who has Lift kits for an FSJ. I was paging
>>through Petersen's 4Wheel and off-road  march 1997 and found an add for
>>Rocky mountain suspension products out of bayfield Co. 800-521-4908 (orders
>>only) 970-884-0201.

>This kit with the front and rear springs is really the Skyjacker kit. Rocky
>Mountain is a dealer for them.
>
>Jim
Gary W. Sanders gws-at-n8emr.nitetech.com
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Date:  Sun, 09 Feb 1997 14:01:29 -0500
From: Gary Sanders <gws-at-n8emr.nitetech.com>
Subject: Ohio FOP

John,
        Is the Ohio FOP pro gun or not pro gun? I am interested in the
"offical" stated policy no member policy.

thanks.
Gary W. Sanders gws-at-n8emr.nitetech.com
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Date:  09 Feb 97 14:00:21 EST
From: Michael Baxter <74172.1164-at-CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Driving an oil tanker no longer!!

"R. Laureano" <rotil-at-premier1.net> writes:

 >> I was able to get at the steering box from the top and was lucky in that I
didn't have to shortening up the allen wrench any. <<

 I should mention that accessibility to the adjustment screw will depend on
your radiator. Apparently if you have the stock 2 row radiator, it's easy to
adjust the allen screw. With my big fat 4 row, I can't even see the screw.

 -- Michael Baxter at 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com
 http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter
 From Reno, NV USA on 09-Feb-1997

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Date:  09 Feb 97 14:00:43 EST
From: Michael Baxter <74172.1164-at-CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Re: Talked to Indy Joe today...

Jim Sterling <sterling-at-jetlink.net> writes:

 >> Do you have any clocks that are not digital? I would really like a non
digital clock for my 83. Also what other parts are on the cherry CHerokee? <<

 The analog clocks were used from '79 or '80 & back. Quite possibly the lowest
quality part on a FSJ is the analog clock. I personally have not seen a analog
clock that works in the last 15 years.

 The Chero's didn't work when I bought it with 34,000 miles. The Wags. quit
working right after the warranty expired.

 I'm not aware of a aftermarket analog clock that will fit that hole. It is
only 1 1/2" high or so and all the aftermarket analog clocks I know about are
2 1/8" round or bigger. If you do find an analog clock that works, I would be
interested in your digital clock. I need a two actually (The Chero. has a
digital from a '84 Wag). One for the Wag. and a spare.

 -- Michael Baxter at 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com
 http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter
 From Reno, NV USA on 09-Feb-1997

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Date:  Sun, 09 Feb 1997 14:20:11 -0500
From: Gary Sanders <gws-at-n8emr.nitetech.com>
Subject: Re: Ohio FOP

oops...
You can ignore this one.. Wrong list.

At 02:01 PM 2/9/97 -0500, you wrote:
>John,
>        Is the Ohio FOP pro gun or not pro gun? I am interested in the
>"offical" stated policy no member policy.
>
>thanks.
>Gary W. Sanders gws-at-n8emr.nitetech.com
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Date:  Sun, 9 Feb 1997 15:18:18 -0600 (CST)
From: brad alan reardon <bareardo-at-students.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Thanks Everybody!!


Just wanted to take the time to thank everyone who has helped to answer 
all my questions.  I got the dashboard off and started 
the customizing.

Next week...Rebuild the QT

How can I get the listserver to get me off digest-mode?  This sucks.  My 
e-mail account filled up over Christmas break and I couldn't get to 
computer.  Every since, it clumps all the messages together.  I promise 
I'll be good and delete the messages every day.

Brad Reardon
79 Wagoneer----Wagosaurus (thanks Doc)
74 Wagoneer----John, I have your fog lights for Ol' Blue


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Date:  Sun, 9 Feb 1997 22:29:29 +0100
From: "Frank" <falmaas-at-online.no>
Subject: SV: SV: blocks?



> 
> This is new to me but why would wouldn't longer shackles raise 
> the front a couple inches?  No? Not good?  
> 
> C'ya
> Joe-
> Inquiring mind in Indy
> 
> 
> 
To raise the front a couple of inches with longer shackles you got to have
shackles about 4" longer than stock and that will give a highly unstable
ride. Rember, when you lift with shackles you only lift at one end of the
spring.

Frank
Norway
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Date:  Sun, 9 Feb 1997 17:20:31 -0500
From: "Mike Gibson" <magibltd-at-seacoast.com>
Subject: Re: Lifts for FSJ spotted.

sure did try skyjacker they worked great just need some tuning on the
stabilizers


Mike Gibson
magibltd-at-seacoast.com
where the jeeps get bigger

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Date:  Sun, 9 Feb 1997 17:45:39 -0500 (EST)
From: Mark Wallace <redgator-at-bu.edu>
Subject: Block Lifts and TPIs


Block lifts are kinda clumsey because you end up putting leverage where 
there was no leverage before. Destroys springs and streches U-Bolts. 
Aluminum lift blocks crush too. So blocks loosen up, and often they have 
a little bit of taper in them to combat driveshaft angularity. So with 
loose blocks and a little bit of taper they can spit out. There was a guy 
at my high school who did a nine inch block lift, front and rear with 
wood blocks. The truck would regularly fall off the blocks. The guy 
eventually got himself killed. 

TPI for a Buick 350 or AMC 360...wow would that be cool. I've toyed with 
the idea of doing a hack and graft job of a manifold that fits a non 
chevy engine with a modern chevy tuned port. Possibly for my senior 
design project. Probably be no less than 300 hours in the machine shop 
and that doesn't count welding, polishing, all the electronics (Chevy out 
of the Box, because it's reliable, and replacable). Might well end up 
grafting three or four random manifolds together. 

Later

Mark
Boston


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Date:  Sun, 9 Feb 1997 14:58:09 -0800
From: "Allan Weidenheimer" <allanw-at-pacific.telebyte.com>
Subject: Parts CDs

Whatever happened to those parts CDs that Michael Baxter had??  Have not
seen any
comments on success (or lack of) on getting access to the data.

Went to the dealer Friday and noticed they had the same system.

Allan Weidenheimer
84 GW

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Date:  Sun, 9 Feb 1997 09:16:55 -0800
From: "Allan Weidenheimer" <allanw-at-pacific.telebyte.com>
Subject: Brake Boosters, T-shirts

Just finished changing the power brake booster on my '84.  Now, my truck is
a '72, and it still has the
stock booster in good working order.  When I got the bad one off my '84 GW,
I found a
'REMAN  8/91' sticker on it.  Do FSJs have short lived boosters??  Anyone
else had a problem?
My replacement is a wrecking yard unit off an '85 GW.  Seems to work fine.

Someone mentioned T-shirts with one of our logos.  We have shops up here
that do them,
but you gotta be talking a quantity of 100 I think.  Does anyone have one
of those Canon
inkjet printers, the type you can get the T-shirt transfer material for? 
I've read that it will work in my
HP inkjet, just never tried it.  You just have to remember to flop the
image over backwards
before printing it, so when you iron it on it comes out right.  I'd like to
hear if they work very
good before I go buy a pack of the transfers.  Anyone??

Allan Weidenheimer
84 GW

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Date:  Sun, 9 Feb 1997 19:46:08 -0500 (EST)
From: GypsyLive-at-aol.com
Subject: Re: Oil pressure, extreme hatred of my FSJ!

In a message dated 97-02-07 22:16:30 EST, you write:

> I replaced my sending unit like you guys said...it got higher pressure
>  >immmediately...but now when its cold I get 0 zero none pressure
>  >i drove for 15 miles this morning thinking ot would come up..
>  >
>  I'm confused, how could changing a sending unit effect your real
>  oil pressure to the engine?  Doesn't a sending unit sort of just
>  "T" off from the main system?  
>  
>  >well itnever did, in fact my tem came up very high....
>  
>  So was the engine making any nasty sounds?
>  
thats what the guage was actually reading....I also noticed on my little 500
miles trip, my rebuilt radiator leaks a lot...sheesh, it is always something,
Now Ive got PC problems to boot!

Where do you get thorazine CHEAP!

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Date:  Sun, 9 Feb 1997 19:48:41 -0500 (EST)
From: GypsyLive-at-aol.com
Subject: Re: Oil pressure, extreme hatred of my FSJ!

In a message dated 97-02-08 10:59:56 EST, you write:

> 
>  Don't give up!  I drove mine about two months with little or no oil 
>  pressure.  You didn't say whether the motor made any noise or not when 
>  the pressure was at zero.  These motors are tough.  I would hate to see 
>  what you would have to do to one to make it seize.  
>  
>  Been there can feel for you.
>  
It doesnt make any noises, I checked the guage by shorting the wire and the
guage goes to 80! and the sending unit is new, and it reads as it should
sometimes...so It must be an intermmtant sending unit right?

i mean could the engine have good pressure sometimes..?

It makes no noises, and just went 500 miles cruising at 75-85...with no prob,
cept leaky radiator!

pressure was right at 40 until it almost over heated dropped to I guess 30
then..

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Date:  Sun, 9 Feb 1997 19:53:02 -0500 (EST)
From: GypsyLive-at-aol.com
Subject: Re: Oil pressure, extreme hatred of my FSJ!

In a message dated 97-02-07 21:03:52 EST, you write:

> 
>  I had  a 86 escort, believe me, you better trade for the escort and some
>  good beer.
>  
thanks dfor the tips! the engine was just rebuilt , I would like to think the
moron put a new oil pump but maybe not...Ill get the kit as soon as I can for
the piece of mind!

I also have an 86 escort!, it has sat in the yard for 2 years, now that wife
drives JEEP full time, I pay taxes and insurance on the escort, so its cost
me almost 1000 in the last 2 years, but she will not let me sell it! she
saYS" ITS WORTH MORE THAN THAT!"



Life is bleak today guys, any body want to trade?

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Date:  Sun, 09 Feb 1997 17:06:07 -0800
From: john <john-at->
Subject: Re: leaks & PC problems...

At 07:46 PM 2/9/97 -0500, GypsyLive-at-aol.com wrote:
>I also noticed on my little 500
>miles trip, my rebuilt radiator leaks a lot...sheesh, it is always something,
>Now Ive got PC problems to boot!
>
>Where do you get thorazine CHEAP!
>
hey, join the club... Old Blue leaks just sitting still... ATF...  start him
up and he'll leak coolant too...  wait long enough and you might see oil...

PC problems... how would you like to hose your master boot block on your 586
nt 4.0 workstation just cause you decided to nuke Linux to get about 600
more meg on your harddrive...  Now I can't boot to Linux or NT...  arghhh...
all the
pain and suffering of setting up the printers, network, and wingate....

where is Dr. Kevorkian when you need him?   (yeah, right... :)

later,
john
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Date:  Sun, 09 Feb 1997 17:17:29 -0800
From: Randy Benderman <#rbenderm-at-ix23.ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Lifts for FSJ spotted.

The March edition of Four Wheeler magazine lists Black Diamond as having
a suspension kit for FSJ's.  Anyone have experience with them?

Randy 
'83 Wagoneer Limited

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Date:  Sun, 09 Feb 1997 20:24:21 -0500
From: Jack McAdams <daedalus-at-postoffice.ptd.net>
Subject: Re: leaks & PC problems...

At 05:06 PM 2/9/97 -0800, you wrote:

>PC problems... how would you like to hose your master boot block on your 586
>nt 4.0 workstation just cause you decided to nuke Linux to get about 600
>more meg on your harddrive...  Now I can't boot to Linux or NT...  arghhh...
>all the
>later,
>john
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John - you DO have an NT 4.0 Emergency Boot diskette, right? (-:
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The Daedalus Group
<daedalus-at-postoffice.ptd.net>

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Date:  Sun, 9 Feb 1997 20:38:35 -0600 (CST)
From: brad alan reardon <bareardo-at-students.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Control switches


Does anybody know....are all heat/air/vent controlling units the same?  
The problem is I'm customizing a 79 Wag dashboard and I don't like the 
placement of the heater or air conditioner controls.  I want to get them 
all in one unit.  I always thought they were just a jarbled mess of 
toggle and rheostat switches.  I am prepared to do some minor electrical 
changes but didn't know if this would be possible if I just grabbed one 
the junkyard that I liked regardless of make or model.

79 Wagosaurus

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Date:  Sun, 09 Feb 1997 21:43:20 -0500
From: Ron <rgeer-at-geocities.com>
Subject: Re: RON-READ THIS!!! 0-60 times

KARL STREICH wrote:
> Fix your chain now!!!  That is an order!!!  Not that I want to be bossy or
> anything, but i had the same problem and it would have cost me $160 dollars and
> 4-6 hours to fix...the chain broke rendering the T-case junk and so it cost $500
> and 25+ hours (including finding the parts) to fix.  You will kick yourself if
> you don't, Please dont make an example out of your self!!!!!

Thanks for the kick in the pants.  I have been putting it off for a year
now.  I even have the new chain and gasket kit.  JUST NO TIME!  I can't
even keep up with this list any more.  

How difficult is it (how much time) to drop the t-case, fix a rear
tranny fluid leak, and put this chain in? Is that the 4-5 hours you were
referring to? I only have the standard shade-tree equipment, no lifts or
anything.

Thanks,
Ron

Its no excuse for procastination, but I do have two spare t-cases if
this one explodes.  This one has the best clutches though, because it
falls in torque spec.

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Date:  Sun, 09 Feb 1997 18:48:28 -0800
From: Joe Schaefer <joes-at-olympus.net>
Subject: Re: Oil pressure, extreme hatred of my FSJ!

>thats what the guage was actually reading....I also noticed on my little 500
>miles trip, my rebuilt radiator leaks a lot...sheesh, it is always something,
>Now Ive got PC problems to boot!
>
>Where do you get thorazine CHEAP!
>

If you print out a post from the FSJ-L addressed to you, with your name
and/or a provable email address in a header, most pharmacists will waive
the prescription requirement. ;)

-jj

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Date:  Mon, 10 Feb 1997 19:04:12 -0800
From: "Gordon McKenzie" <gordmck-at-direct.ca>
Subject: Jeep Name and Oil Pressure Major confusion

O.K., I came up with a name for my Jeep. See, it's big, kinda dumb (no
flames please) awkward but a real beast and really great for pulling. Sorta
like an OX. So that's it's name now. OX. Gotta get that on a plate I guess.

So, another dumb oil pressure question, but I'm confused. Just drove to
Vancouver for the weekend (why I'll never know) and found my oil pressure
acting dumb (again). I complained once before that I lose pressure at about
100K (60 mph) but what I found in this trip is that I lose pressure under
load and it isn't a speed or rpm thing. Staying at 100 kph, I lose pressure
climbing a hill and go back to what I think is normal (about 40) going down
a hill. This was consistent over 500 miles and is consistent with what it
has been doing since I bought it. Now I have rebuilt the oil pump and this
added about 10 pounds of pressure across the board, but didn't fix my
problem. Any one with any ideas? this didn't make sense to the guy at the
Jeep Dealership (one place where they do know FSJ's and have several in
their scrap yard) and doesn't make sense to me. I am going to hook in a
mechanical gauge next weekend to check my gauge but if anyone has any
bright ideas, let me know.


Gord

81 Jeep Wagoneer Limited - OX
81 Ford Escort for when the above really pisses me off ;-)

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Date:  Sun, 09 Feb 1997 19:49:38 +0000
From: "William S. McBride" <wmmcb-at-televar.com>
Subject: Re: Block Lifts and TPIs

Why not just get an adapter kit and mounts from Advanced Adapters and 
use a Chevy 350 with FI heads. It will slip right in and accessories ( 
power steering, alternator,etc.) are much easier to find.

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Date:  Sun, 09 Feb 1997 20:04:15 -0800
From: john <john-at->
Subject: Re: trade what?

At 07:53 PM 2/9/97 -0500, GypsyLive-at-aol.com wrote:
>
>Life is bleak today guys, any body want to trade?

trade what?  :)
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Date:  Sun, 09 Feb 1997 20:45:06 -0800
From: john <john-at->
Subject: Re: leaks & PC problems...

>>------------------------------------------------------------------
>John - you DO have an NT 4.0 Emergency Boot diskette, right? (-:

Yeah, but it DOES NOT boot... neither of them do...

I do have the emergency repair disk.  But the problem isn't with
NT, it's with the boot sector...  NT gave itself a clean bill of
health...  I just can't boot...

Anybody know how to make an NT boot disk????   Microsoft strikes
again...  Even my Dr. Norton $40 book on NT workstation doesn't
talk about it...  

sheesh, what a way to learn stuff...

john

At 08:24 PM 2/9/97 -0500, Jack McAdams wrote:
>At 05:06 PM 2/9/97 -0800, you wrote:
>
>>PC problems... how would you like to hose your master boot block on your 586
>>nt 4.0 workstation just cause you decided to nuke Linux to get about 600
>>more meg on your harddrive...  Now I can't boot to Linux or NT...  arghhh...
>>all the
>>later,
>>john

>
> 
>
>
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Date:  Sun, 09 Feb 1997 23:54:57 -0500
From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-ai2a.net>
Subject: Re: Block Lifts and TPIs

At 07:49 PM 2/9/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Why not just get an adapter kit and mounts from Advanced Adapters and 
>use a Chevy 350 with FI heads. It will slip right in and accessories ( 
>power steering, alternator,etc.) are much easier to find.
>
Speaking of that, do they make an adapter to mate a small block
chevy to the Jeep th-400 tranny?  Boy do I have a spare small block
in the garage!  

C'ya
joe-

79 Chief



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Date:  Sun, 09 Feb 1997 23:55:02 -0500
From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-ai2a.net>
Subject: Decal Update #103


Hello,

Still battling the flu here, but, I did get all received decal
orders mailed this weekend.  I believe I have shipped about 1/2 of
the original amount. Have mailed about 80 of the 160 asked for.

Newbies can view the FSJ vinyl decal at;

http://ai2a.net/~jsego/misc/jeep.shtml

E-mail me for details. Thanks to all for the comments, thank you's,
and extra stamps, extra $$ etc.  Way cool.  Extremely happy to be
able to give something back to this list.  

Next project is Doc's IFSJA logo, then the "It's A Jeep Thing..."
if there is an interest.  

C'ya
Joe-
79 Chief

  
  

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Date:  Sun, 09 Feb 1997 21:04:16 -0800
From: john <john-at->
Subject: Re: Block Lifts and TPIs

I must be getting old or something... but my desire to put a
Diesel in Old Blue is diminishing...  the thought of a nice quiet
MPI V-8 with a 4spatod setup is more attractive...  as Ken Cyr
has validated, near 20mpg is possible with the right modern equipment...

hmmmm....  now all I need is money, or a job that pays money...  I
think I'm going to look for a permanent job, this consulting stuff
is great, but it seems everyone takes their time bringing you on...
I'm getting a lot done...  Started wiring the office today... gotta
fix the valve train on the 4.0L tomorrow...  getting all kinds of
cool stuff done, VERY PRODUCTIVE... shoot, if unemployment continues
for another week or two I might even get the vibrations out of Old
Blue...

We took Old Blue into Snohomish tonight for a pizza at Alfy's...  no
wait, he didn't get any pizza, we did...  anyways, he didn't seem to
be doing too bad.   But that tranny is spewing cherry juice...  front
seal or torque converter must really be wasted...

Anybody want to buy a running 360 and tf727???  they work fine, just leak...

later,
john

At 07:49 PM 2/9/97 +0000, William S. McBride wrote:
>Why not just get an adapter kit and mounts from Advanced Adapters and 
>use a Chevy 350 with FI heads. It will slip right in and accessories ( 
>power steering, alternator,etc.) are much easier to find.
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Date:  Sun, 09 Feb 1997 21:13:05 -0800
From: john <john-at->
Subject: Re: Block Lifts and TPIs

At 11:54 PM 2/9/97 -0500, Joe Sego wrote:
Speaking of that, do they make an adapter to mate a small block
>chevy to the Jeep th-400 tranny?  Boy do I have a spare small block
>in the garage!  
>C'ya joe-

yep.  about $148   Chevy SB to AMC transmission...

Save your bucks and have your TH400 recased... Cost about
the same but a much better setup... no spacers on your torque
converter...

john

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