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Date:  Sun, 01 Jun 1997 21:26:50 -0700
From: SuperKen <kenns-at-concentric.net>
Subject: Re: For Sale

> Mac's Jeep Parts, in Albany, OR   The guy is a real goof (not meant to
> offend any else who feels they might be a goof, too).
> 
> he has tons of jeep stuff. All Jeeps.  I travel alot throughout Oregon,
> and I go near this place about 2 times a week.  It is just off of I-5,
> 1/4 mile east.
> 
> Good luck with your trip,
> 
> WR
> 
-- 
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  kenneth e. wetherall             If a Wagoneer can go
                                where a CJ can go, then it's
  kenns-at-concentric.net              a Super Wagoneer

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Date:  Sun, 1 Jun 1997 21:33:52 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: overweight rigs...

> It all depends on where you live as to how picky the local cops are.
> Usually they don't bother vehicles like wags, mostly just pick ups.
> In eastern WA in the 70's they would pull a pick up over if it
> didn't have a Gross weight sticker visible on each side of the rig.
> Even the little toy trucks had to have 'em (4000gvw). Some people
> put 8000gvw signs on a 1/2 ton rather than 6000 but if a cop stopped
> you, you'd better have it licensed as a 3/4 ton (more expensive
> tabs). Most of this came about from people hauling fire wood with
> seriously overloaded trucks.
> 
> Regards,
> -jj
> 
Wow, I seriously overloaded my Chevy Luv pickup with almost a cord of 
Cottonwood...   wet, Cottonwood...   I actually took it over the 
scales on I-5...  I know that I had a ton of  Cottonwood in the back, 
that's 2,000 lbs of wood...   The guy at the scale didn't say a 
thing...  When I was coming down a hill in Lynnwood the light changed 
and I tried to stop...   it was raining (of course) and the front 
tires just locked up at the slightest touch...   thankfully the light 
changed before I had time to conduct a Physics experiment involving 
Mass and the compressability of stressed metals...

After that experience, and others like it, I can see the benefits to 
education and enforcement of weight restrictions...

later,
john
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Date:  Sun, 01 Jun 1997 23:36:53 -0500
From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: For Sale

At 08:15 PM 6/1/97 -0800, you wrote:
>Joe-
>
>The parts are in Eugene, Oregon. Both the crank and heads are in good
>shape, but not fresh. I think the crank is standard (never been
>turned).  Prices are not firm, but the guy thinks his stuff is kinda
>like gold. (Note- he had no luck selling them at a huge swapmeet, no one
>interested in AMC, he would deal on price I am sure. Want his number?)
>
>Warren

I'm thinking the shipping would be a killer huh?
Sure would like a forged crank though.

Joe-

>

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Date:  Sun, 1 Jun 1997 21:42:40 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: scores

the longer it took the filter to clog up during this test, the 
better.   As the filter got restricted, the vacuum or draw required 
increased...

Trying to measure lower levels of vaccum with the filter unclogged is 
not a very accurate means of testing a filter for a filter needs to 
be able to hold dirt and keep it from getting into the engine as 
well.   If you look at some of the specs that K&N put out you'd think 
theirs allows more airflow, which it may when perfectly clean, but 
what happens after you drive down the road?   That's what's important 
to us, how much stuff will it block and hold, and how will it perform 
when it's dirty...   Shoot, we could all get really good air flow if 
we didn't give a rip about protecting the engine, just yank the 
filter out completely...    so testing with dirt is much more 
credible, repeatable and valuable to us consumers...  

john

> Date:  Thu, 29 May 1997 14:54:13 -0700
> From: SuperKen <kenns-at-concentric.net>
> Subject: Re: paper or plastic?
> 
> huh?!?!?!, i thot these test were like golf! the lower the score the
> better the result!!??
> 
> > > > MINUTES TO REACH 5" H20:
> > > >
> > > > Motorvator (MPA-12) paper              - 10.0 minutes
> > > > K&N (E-1500) oil-wetted gauze       - 10.8 minutes
> > > > Fram (CA326) paper                          - 19.2 minutes
> > > > AMSOIL (LTF-31) the "base model" - 28.4 minutes
> > > > AMSOIL (TS-31) TWO STAGE           - 37.3 minutes
> > > >
> > 
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Date:  Sun, 01 Jun 1997 21:46:08 -0700
From: Eric Faust <eric-at-INETWORLD.NET>
Subject: Re: 4 locking doors

Darn! And I thought I had all the options!<grin>  All four of my doors
lock when I press the button. Was it a sales person who told you this?  


Sheppard1-at-aol.com wrote:
> 
> A few days ago, someone mentioned trying to get all four doors to lock at the
> same time....I thought we had the same problem in the GW...found out later
> that the door behind the driver will not lock with all the others because
> that way, when coming home from the store etc...one can still get stuff out
> of the back seat area after pushing the master lock button on the front door.
> A convience at times...but I have walked off thinking the car was locked and
> it wasnt!
> Karen
> 89GW


Eric Faust  '89 Grand Wagoneer

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Date:  Sun, 1 Jun 1997 21:53:38 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: it's ok doc...  really...  BTW...

>  So, John, sorry for getting your blood pressure up <grin>, and
>  sorry for
> the misinformation, guys.  My boo-boo.  
> 
>  Would y'all believe I actually got out of bed and rummaged around
>  my
> office files till I found these tickets, because it was driving me
> nuts, thinking about it?  True....

I wasn't worried doc, cause the first time I had a vehicle officially 
weighed and they didn't weigh it all at once, I got out of my car and 
into the office and had the state trooper explain it to me real 
good...   being the analyst that I am I also verified it several 
times in different locations... :-)

Interesting note, I went down after the retreat today and got a load 
of topsoil with the little wagoneer and the trailer... just barely 
squeezed all three axles onto the scale, Becky with me, and the combo 
weighed the same as Old Blue with me and Becky in it... about 5200 
lbs...   

And with Old Blue sitting in the driveway comatose, and a good engine 
and tranny sitting in the garage...   this information may be 
useful...  Why pay $350 to $500 for a tranny repair???   For less 
than a couple hundred bucks I can install that spare motor...  The 
idea here is not to go further in debt...  It's tempting, but time is 
also precious....

BTW, please, please, please, if you want me to respond to something, 
cc me, I'm scanning the lists very quickly...   I'm even thinking of 
jumping off the list, I've got too much stuff to do, and I can't not 
respond to all the fun... :-)

Don't get the idea that I don't want to answer questions or help with 
ideas... I just can't afford to spend the time going through the 
lists or all the email to respond...    I'm also getting email from 
my web pages on other topics...   I never realized that Pastor 
Wurmbrand was such a respected person...   I get email all the time 
because of a photo I took of him when I met him in Germany in 1980.  
(He had been imprisoned and tortured by the communists for 14 
years...)

gotta run, only 21 messages (about 6 of 'em digest...  arghhh...)

Also, don't hesitate to send photos and write-ups on your FSJ's, even 
updated photos...  I enjoy doing the pages...   the more the 
merrier...

ttyl,
john


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Date:  Sun, 1 Jun 1997 21:55:25 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: Marvel Mystery Oil...

> 
> I'm not Michael but I would recomend "Marvel Miracle oil" (or
> something like that) It is in a red and black can... works well to
> protect for the duration and helps lube the parts for firing...
> 
Marvel Mystery Oil...   

not sure what it is but I know small airplane type folks that use 
it... and if you put something like that in an airplane it's usually 
something that works....

john
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Date:  Mon, 02 Jun 1997 00:01:32 -0500
From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: starting problem

At 11:53 PM 6/1/97 -0400, you wrote:
>> ------------------------------
>> Date:  Sun, 1 Jun 1997 00:11:58 -0400 (EDT)
>> From: Sheppard1-at-aol.com
>> Subject: starting problem
>> 
>> Twice this week the jeep wouldn't start. Both times it was after a drive
>in
>> warm weather. After letting the engine cool down, it would start ok. 
>[snip]
>> Has anybody else run into this problem? 
>> Thanks!
>> Andrew Sheppard
>> 89GW
> 
>Andrew,
>I just went through the same thing with my '79 Cherokee.  It turned out to
>be two things.
>First, the timing was off. I reset it, and it helped a little. Then I
>replaced the starter.
>That fixed it. YMMV, but, it's worth looking into.
>
>Jeff Watts. Jr.
>'79 Cherokee Wide-Track  Golden Eagle 
>
Also be sure and check the ignition switch!!!!  Ign switch problems can/will
look like other problems, i.e. vapor lock, solonoid, etc. 

Joe
79 Chief



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Date:  Sun, 1 Jun 1997 22:05:51 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: (Fwd) Product Suppliers

hey guys, can you help Walter out with some info?

please cc the list, if I remember right there's a couple with the 
levi option...

john

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From:          "Walter Stephenson" <wstephen-at-swbell.net>
To:            <john-at->
Subject:       Product Suppliers
Date:          Fri, 30 May 1997 01:29:09 -0500

John,

I have a 1978 Jeep Cherokee Chief (Levi's Edition w/ some denim
intact, would you believe??!!). I have had little luck in finding
aftermarket suppliers for interior items. I am particularly looking
for info on aftermarket 60/40 benches to replace the old OEM seat I
have now. Is it common in size to any of the GM 60/40's? Also looking
for a good weather seal supplier. Any suggestions on either count??
Please let me know...

Thanks-
Walt  

Walter Stephenson
Garland, TX
1976 280Z
Z-Club of Texas #1332
IZCC #3289
1978 Jeep Cherokee Chief "BIG Gulp"

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Date:  Sun, 01 Jun 1997 22:06:13 -0700
From: Eric Faust <eric-at-INETWORLD.NET>
Subject: Re: starting problem

I've heard of this from other FSJ owners.  My GW starts first time every
time when cold, but requires 10-15 seconds of cranking when warm.  I
remember stumbling across a site that rebuilt and modified carbs, but I
can't find them now. They mentioned that their mods woud cure "the hard
warm starting problem" on the 2150, so this may be a motorcraft 2100
series problem. I've heard of people putting phenolic spacers between
the carb and manifold to cure this problem on other carbs but I'm no
expert here. Anyone??  

Sheppard1-at-aol.com wrote:
> 
> Twice this week the jeep wouldn't start. Both times it was after a drive in
> warm weather. After letting the engine cool down, it would start ok.
> Has anybody else run into this problem?


Eric Faust  '89 Grand Wagoneer

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Date:  Sun, 1 Jun 1997 22:15:52 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: another brain episode:  COAST TO COAST FSJ Fest's July 5th!!!

> what time is a good time, lest say the 7/4 weekend.
> we can have our own calnev fsj fest the same time john and
> the rest r having their PNW fest!!!
> 
> why dont we do that, we just announce that the CalNev IFSJA is
> having their own fest on the weekend of the 4th of july at holister
> hills SRVA, and see what kind of reaction we get.
> 

Why don't the rest of you see if you can get together with at least 
one other FSJ in your area, take a group shot, describe the rigs, and 
the folks that made it and we'll bundle the whole thing up onto a web 
page and I'll write it all up for Four Wheeler.

One or as many photos as you'd like...    I'll put the thing 
together.  Doc, do you want me to send you all the pictures and you 
can select the ones you want?  or do you just want to snatch the ones 
you want off of the finished page?   

Whaddya all say?   (If you meet without your FSJ's, then just take a 
picture of the owners with them holding a picture or a card stating 
what year FSJ they own....

later,
john
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Date:  Sun, 1 Jun 1997 22:18:41 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: conservative wheelin'

> Does this make any sense for 4x4'ing?
> 
> Go in with the 2 wheel drive.
> When you get stuck, get out with 4 wheel drive.
> 
> "We are Microsoft, Resistance is Futile."
> Sc0

It's a good plan.   It's also recommended if you have hubs to lock 
them in first, that way if you try to go into sand, mud or water in 
2wd and need 4wd you can grab it quickly and not sink in...

It'll give you a good feel for what your vehicle can do.   There will 
be times that you will get stuck using this method...   I know, I 
just did it today when I got my little wagoneer stuck in the creek in 
the back yard trying to turn around with the trailer loaded...  :-)

john
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Date:  Sun, 1 Jun 1997 22:22:10 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: to err is human...

> >more power, arrr,arr, arr(I don't do a very good Tim allen 
> >impersonation do I? )
> 
> Hey John, 
> 
> I hope you don't do too good of an impression of Tim Allen.  I would
> hate to think you'd be out driving drunk.. (It's **really** big news
> here in Detroit..)
> 
> John Jacobs  <<>> jabobsj-at-flash.net
> 75 Wagoneer
> Royal Oak, Michigan
> http://www.flash.net/~jabobsj

John, 

good point.  but I also heard that he apologized to his mother 
because his father had been killed by a drunk driver...   It sounds 
to me like he made a mistake.  Perhaps the Lord will use this 
experience to introduce him to Jesus...  Wouldn't that be great!!

BTW, did you get a discount on the Jacobs ignition?  :-)    I grabbed 
your how-to and will be putting it up on ORC sometime...  LW before 
the Second Coming... :-)

late,
john
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Date:  Sun, 01 Jun 97 22:24:19 PDT
From: "Alisa Mize" <jaamize-at-nwlink.com>
Subject: Re: starting problem



----------
> > ------------------------------
> > Date:  Sun, 1 Jun 1997 00:11:58 -0400 (EDT)
> > From: Sheppard1-at-aol.com
> > Subject: starting problem
> >
> > Twice this week the jeep wouldn't start. Both times it was after a =
drive
> in
> > warm weather. After letting the engine cool down, it would start ok. =

> [snip]
> > Has anybody else run into this problem?
> > Thanks!
> > Andrew Sheppard
> > 89GW
>
I too have recently had the same trouble. when this happened
did you try putting the gas pedal all the way to the floor
before you turned the ignition then keep it in that position
as you turn the ignition? If you did and it still didn't start then
its not the same problem I had:) what was wrong with
mine was the  carb was letting too much gas
in as it heated up causing it to flood. keeping the pedle to the
metal  causes all that extra gas to burn up and lets it start.
The solution is either a carb rebuild or a new carb.
ALisa


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Date:  Sun, 1 Jun 1997 22:34:18 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: Bellingham to Snohomish...

> Date:  30 May 97 00:49:26 EDT
> From: Edwin Pedersen <102551.2631-at-CompuServe.COM>
> Subject: ETA-  Belligham TO  Snowhomish ?
> 
> Gord in Kelowna,
> > >From my place it is an hour's drive to Belligham,
> not including the time it might take to cross
> the border.
> > John M.,
> > How long is the drive from Belligham to your place ??
> > Eddie in Vancouver

the atlas says 88 miles to Seattle, I'm 26 miles NE of Seattle,
so I'd say around 70 or so miles (120km's).

I can get to Mt. Vernon in about 30 minutes, in another 20 minutes 
I'm in Bellingham...  So less than an hour probably...

We did Expo 86 twice.  Both times we drove up, did the entire Fair, 
including fireworks at the end, and drove back.  We left here about 
8am and returned by 2am each time...    Rough guess you're looking at 
a 2 and a half hour drive from your house to mine taking it easy.   
That's based on the old 55mph (89km) speed limit too...

You guys are gonna shame me into getting Old Blue fixed...  You guys 
are fantastic, all of you.    All I can say is, "what a rush".  To 
see those FSJ decals on the sides of those rigs at Moab made my 
weekend.   Brian, Joe, Jim Jr. and all the others that commented and 
offered suggestions, we really did something cool...   Just stop and 
think about what we're involved with here.  We're making history on 
several fronts, the internet, the world of Full-Size Jeeps and 
off-roading in general.

Guys, we ARE full-size jeeps.   And it's not just one site or one 
individual, it's a real team effort.   Those decals had multiple 
ideas and multiple skill sets invovled...    

GO FSJ-TEAM!

ttyl,
john

later,
john
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Date:  Sun, 1 Jun 1997 22:41:00 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: Wallace...

>    John: still going to try and make the get together on the 5th. 
>    But the wife says if I don't get some gas money from daughter, to pick her up I
> might not make it. I figured about 200 for fuel alone and a good 10
> hrs. drive.  I thinking of staying in one of those KOA camp cabins. 

I'm not a camper, but I'm sure there's something within an hour of 
Snohomish...

>    I sure enjoyed the engineering humor.  I copied it and put it on
>    the  unauthorized bulletin board at work.

I've got a bunch of humor on my personal web site, even have some 
links to other sites...

I just keep adding stuff, not even sure what or how much is there...

later,
john
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Date:  Sun, 1 Jun 1997 22:51:36 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: Red River Valley FSJ's... and backyard stuck....

> 1) Incorporate Arkansas and Louisiana into
>    the TX/OK Chapter of the IFSJA.
>  2) Change the title of said chapter to the
>     Red River Valley Chapter IFSJA
>> Silence is a yea vote. Send any nay votes
> directly to me to free up the list resources.

no problem, we're all interested in the process... :-)
 
> A final tally will be made known to the list
> sometime Monday, June 2nd, and official notice
> will be given to the honorable John Meister, Esq
> and the honorable Doc Fariello, Esq, for web
> page update purposes.

I've got a GIF of the usa somewhere, I'll have to superimpose all the 
various chapters on it with links to the regional noisemakers, er 
troublemakers, er, coordinators... :-) 

> Have a jeeping kind of weekend.....

I did, and very thankful I had three of 'em...   Old Blue is still 
comatose in the driveway (amazing how he failed IN the driveway and 
not somewhere between work and home or home and the Men's retreat...  
coincidence???  HA!  oh ye of little faith... :-)   

And then today, while helping my lovely bride in her gardening chores 
I buried the little wagoneer in the creek in the back yard...  with 
a yard of top soil in the trailer....    It was kind of exciting...  
actually had the rear wheel airborne and the little jeep laying on 
it's rock sliderz on the passenger side...  Had a miserable time 
getting out of the door...   Had to disconnect the trailer (probably 
the only reason it got stuck and why it didn't roll over 
completely...)  and then tried to drive out... no way...  So I got 
the gray wagoneer (#3) and had Becky do her FIRST recovery 
operation...    she didn't realize that when extracting a vehicle and 
it starts to come out that you're supposed to keep pulling... so  she 
got to extract me a second time... The Lord is good, this time the 
extraction process was performed without the benefit of rain... :-)

what would I do without three jeeps???    (ideas immediately come to 
mind, don't drive in the back yard, get a winch, listen to my wife 
and don't drive as close to the creek... :-)

later,
john
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Date:  Sun, 1 Jun 1997 23:02:11 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: FSJ-Fest location & general directions

> O.K. Where the heck is Snohomish? If it 2 - 3 hours East of
> Bellingham, than I'll head straight south and meet Eddie at John's.
> If it's south of Bellingham, I'll meet up with Eddie.
> 
> Gord
>  ------------------------------

Not east of Bellingham, SOUTH.

I am on State Route 9, due east of I-5 about 5 miles.   I can almost 
see downtown Everett.  I am less than 5 miles south of the Snohomish 
River... (Harvey Field Airport).

If you look on a map, find Woodinville - we're 7 miles north of 
woodinville, 6 miles south of Snohomish, 5 miles east of Everett and 
about 5 miles or so West of Monroe...

We're about 26 miles North and a little east of Seattle...  

Look for I-5, find I-405, follow it south a little and it intersects 
near Bothell with SR522, go east on SR522 about 3 miles to SR9, turn 
left and head north 6 miles to my house.   (or find I-90 where it 
connects with I-405, follow it north until it intersects with 522...)

OR, as you're coming down I-5 southbound, take US 2 East until you 
come to STATE ROUTE 9, turn right and go south.  when you cross the 
river you're about 4 or 5 miles from my house.   From the steel 
bridge over the Snohomish River you'll go through a light on Marsh 
Road (this area is a flood plain and has been under water... twice in 
the 12 years we've lived here) and continue to the next light at the 
bottom of the hill.  That is Lowell-Larimer Road, you are starting up 
a long hill, 1 mile up that hill, on the left is my driveway.  (You 
go from about 10 feet above sea level to 350 feet - the top of the 
hill is about 2.5 miles past my drive and is at 650 feet.)

Coming up the hill my driveway is the second one on the left past the 
Cathcart Landfill (closed) which is on the right (west side) of the 
highway...

ttyl,
john
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Date:  Sun, 1 Jun 1997 23:06:27 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: radiators

> if you need a rad, the '67 j truck a local was parting has an
> original radiator in good (he claims) condition.... is there a
> difference between those years (he has a 327 motor)?
> 
> mick

mick the radiator I pulled out of Old Blue (81 w/a 360) looks exactly 
like the one I had in my 67 w/ the 327...

I could be wrong...  there were a number of years btwn the 
sightings... :-)

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Date:  Sun, 1 Jun 1997 23:21:30 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: decals

> Speaking of stickers,  hey Joe, I've got this hole in my window tint
> that I need to cover up.  I think the IFSJA sticker will work
> perfectly!
> 
> Eric '89 Grand Wagoneer (in need of IFSJA sticker)

the FSJ decals are different than the IFSJA stickers...   Doc's logo 
is different, isn't it?   It has the globe with the IFSJA spelled out 
on it...   Weren't we going to look into making some of those?

THE FSJ decals aren't really the same, as evidenced by non FSJ-list 
members sporting them.  

I mean, if we're really gonna be cool, we have to use doc's ORIGINAL 
IFSJA type logo...  :-)     

There is STILL room left on the driver's side rear window on Old 
Blue...   

I think doc is having trouble finding a printer that can keep the 
globe spinning though... :-)

(seriously, doc were you looking at creating a unique decal for the 
IFSJA organizations?  or are we gonna use the 
john-brian-jimjr-joe's-son rendition?     If so, perhaps we could get 
a small banner made up with International Full-Size Jeep Assocation 
on it to put underneath the FSJ-logos...

It would have been nice to put a URL on the FSJ decals, but which 
one?  two would have been too busy...

oh well...

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Date:  Sun, 1 Jun 1997 23:27:00 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: headers...

> than a factory manifold(s). Depending on what brand you get, some
> are definitely better than others but generally headers are a PITA.
> The flanges warp eventually and you'll be fighting exhaust
> leaks/noise. If you're in the rust belt, they'll rust through about
> as fast as a tail pipe. They usually don't quite fit like in the
> brochure either. You'll loose the heat riser which is nice to have
> in the frozen north. For the money, you'll not get one noticeable
> benefit but may actually loose in some areas. Just my cents...
> 
> Regards,
> -jj
> 

I agree with Joe...   I've done headers once, never again...    
You're better off with a free flowing hi-perf cat and Flowmaster or 
similar turbo muffler...

I picked up 2 seconds in 0 to 60 runs doing so...

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Date:  Sun, 1 Jun 1997 23:32:35 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: parts...

> From: Warren Rund <reno1-at-earthlink.net>
> Subject: For Sale
> '86 Grand Wagoneer parts- 360 w/ everything (100K miles, great
> shape) $375   auto/transfer case (selectrac) $500 obo,  F & R axles,
> doors, Anybody looking for anything in particular?  I see stuff all
> the time, plus I know of a Jeep-only yard who has alot of FSJ stuff
> (but not all in good shape).
> 
> Warren Rund

Warren,

glad you made it onto the list...

Where is this 86 Wag, I'm interested in the AT/np229 if it's not too 
far away...

I'm in Snohomish, WA...

later,
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Date:  Sun, 1 Jun 1997 23:36:31 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: Eugene.... again???

> From: Warren Rund <reno1-at-earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: For Sale
> 
> The J-10 is in Hood River, oregon  The Wagoneer parts are in Eugene,
> Oregon.

Warren,

What a trip.  I was just down in Eugene to pick up a 4.0L & tranny... 
:-)  In fact, I probably have your phone number from Super Ken if 
you're the same guy he mentioned...  By the time I got loaded up it 
was pretty late...

It took me three tanks of gas to get down and back... wait, Old Blue 
is tango uniform, so that means I'll have to take the little 
wagoneer...   so I may only need a couple tanks...

is the tranny & xfr case out of the rig?

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Date:  Mon, 02 Jun 1997 01:38:51 -0500
From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: starting problem

At 10:06 PM 6/1/97 -0700, you wrote:
>I've heard of this from other FSJ owners.  My GW starts first time every
>time when cold, but requires 10-15 seconds of cranking when warm.  I
>remember stumbling across a site that rebuilt and modified carbs, but I
>can't find them now. They mentioned that their mods woud cure "the hard
>warm starting problem" on the 2150, so this may be a motorcraft 2100
>series problem. I've heard of people putting phenolic spacers between
>the carb and manifold to cure this problem on other carbs but I'm no
>expert here. Anyone??  
>

On my 79 the 2100 sits a top a phenolic spacer, that was factory OEM.

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Date:  Mon, 02 Jun 1997 01:41:42 -0500
From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: another brain episode:  COAST TO COAST FSJ Fest's July  5th!!!

>
>Why don't the rest of you see if you can get together with at least 
>one other FSJ in your area, take a group shot, describe the rigs, and 
>the folks that made it and we'll bundle the whole thing up onto a web 
>page and I'll write it all up for Four Wheeler.
>
>One or as many photos as you'd like...    I'll put the thing 
>together.  Doc, do you want me to send you all the pictures and you 
>can select the ones you want?  or do you just want to snatch the ones 
>you want off of the finished page?   
>
>Whaddya all say?   (If you meet without your FSJ's, then just take a 
>picture of the owners with them holding a picture or a card stating 
>what year FSJ they own....

John 
Excellent idea!  I can even get together with Daren here in Indy,
does two fsj's count as a meet? :-) Actually four, we both have
two fsj's.  Hey Mike what are you doing that weekend?  

Joe-


  




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Date:  Sun, 01 Jun 97 23:45:00 PDT
From: "Alisa Mize" <jaamize-at-nwlink.com>
Subject: Re: another brain episode:  COAST TO COAST FSJ Fest's July 5th!!!



----------
> > what time is a good time, lest say the 7/4 weekend.
> > we can have our own calnev fsj fest the same time john and
> > the rest r having their PNW fest!!!
> >
> > why dont we do that, we just announce that the CalNev IFSJA is
> > having their own fest on the weekend of the 4th of july at holister
> > hills SRVA, and see what kind of reaction we get.
> >
>
> Why don't the rest of you see if you can get together with at least
> one other FSJ in your area, take a group shot, describe the rigs, and =

> the folks that made it and we'll bundle the whole thing up onto a web =

> page and I'll write it all up for Four Wheeler.
>
> One or as many photos as you'd like...    I'll put the thing
> together.  Doc, do you want me to send you all the pictures and you
> can select the ones you want?  or do you just want to snatch the ones =

> you want off of the finished page?
>
> Whaddya all say?   (If you meet without your FSJ's, then just take a =

> picture of the owners with them holding a picture or a card stating
> what year FSJ they own....
>
> later,
> john
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Date:  Sun, 01 Jun 97 23:47:14 PDT
From: "Alisa Mize" <jaamize-at-nwlink.com>
Subject: Re: another brain episode:  COAST TO COAST FSJ Fest's July 5th!!!

oops, sorry everyone abbout my last post(repeat that is) of this title.
 I had been thinking about responding to
this post then decided not to but instead of pushing cancel
I pushed send.
Alisa



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Date:  Mon, 2 Jun 97 08:37:48 -0400
From: Phil_Horton-at-avid.com
Subject: NE FSJ fest (and it rained)

The first NE FSJ fest was held yesterday under mostly rainy skies.  Was
this some sorta PNW chapter conspiracy?  Shipping their weather back
east to us.  Inquiring minds want to know.  Weather didn't dampen the
enthusiasm of the attendees.  Six owners and four Wags - two units set
up for trailing and two mostly stock units (not counting replacement
parts).  Pretty good 1'st time out.  Nice to get acquainted and share
some stories.  Kudos to Steve for getting it organized and kudos to Tom
for driving all the way up from Jersey to join us. 

I took a bunch of pictures (Canon AE1 - old thread).  I'll get them
developed, scanned, and will pass them along to John, Doc, and Tom (NE
FSJ site) for the sites.  Mike had a digital camera.  Don't know much
about uploading files from one of these bunnies but maybe that could be
done sooner?  A while back there was a thread re: digitizing some video
for inclusion in the sites.  Not sure if anyone still needs a hand
getting this done but my hand is up.  Company I work for is the original
developer of digital non-linear editing systems (word processors for
video and film).  

Great outing: nice people, nice time, and (of course) nice trucks. 
Maybe next outing will be further south so we can meet some of the folks
from Penn.  Watch out, we'll be covering the east coast with FSJ's
before ya know it.

take care

Phil Horton
phil_horton-at-avid.com
'88 Grand Wangoneer    

    

   

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Date:  Mon, 02 Jun 1997 09:00:09 -0400
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
Subject: re: For Sale


	Does the price of the J-10 include refloating and extrication?  Are we
subject to malpractise suits from Eugene?  That's gotta hurt...

>The J-10 is in Hood River, oregon  The Wagoneer parts are in Eugene,
>Oregon.


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