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Date:  Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:07:16 -0400
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
Subject: re:  more wierd stuff



	Sounds like it's almost time to get a new alternator...  or else upon
starting your idle is just too low till you rev it once?  The old (read:
original!) alternator on Timex would act somewhat different...  upon
light-off, it would almost the ammeter high on charge, then would a second
later drop down to almost no charge, then work it's way back up.  I haven't
noticed anything like that on the new one (replaced the ORIGINAL alternator
last October...  presently about 215,000 miles on Timex).  Oh...  it did
that from the time the truck was about a year and a half old till the
end...  she's an '85.  So it probably isn't anything to worry about anytime
soon, especially if it's been doing it for a long time.

	Aluminum tube...  hmm...  have you seen your tranny dipstick lately?

>Date:  Tue, 10 Jun 1997 09:56:28 -0500
>From: Jeff Herbst <JeffHerbst-at-electrosys.com>
>Subject: More wierd stuff-electrical
>
>I come again to tap the great and exhaulted FSJ knowledge base.......
> New problem, when I start the engine the amp meter shows discharge,
>stays that way until I rev the engine, then it shows heavy charge and
>then backs down to normal. I can understand the charge, but why the
>discharge until I rev the engine? BTW only one quick rev does the job,
>charges fine at idle after that. If I just start it and don't rev, I
>think it would eventually complete discharge the battery!
> Second thing. I noticed an aluminum tube behind the passenger side
>valve cover that was open. Seems to go down to the tranny. Can't find it
>in the manual and everything seems to work fine. Anybody know what this
>is? info: '82 360, 727, NP208 with manual hubs, A/C power everything.
>
>Jeff Herbst
>1982 Wagoneer LTD
>Texas
>

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Date:  Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:12:15 -0400
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
Subject: socket nut


	Any parts store should have it...  it's a "four wheel drive wheel bearing
socket" (good name, eh?).  Come in a couple of varieties, depending on the
application.  You want the one with four little "nibs" sticking up, same as
1/2 ton Fords, etc.  Should cost somewhere in the $15.00 range.

>------------------------------
>Date:  Tue, 10 Jun 1997 12:35:46 -0500
>From: "Sc0" <jjd-at-flex.net>
>Subject: Axle Nut
>
>do they make a socket big'n-nuff to fit that huge nut that tightens the
bearings
>down?
>Axles in question are D44HD and a D60(both FF)
>Or is it not needed most of the time, (ive been using chisels and
screwdrivesrs
>and a hammer.
>
>"We are Microsoft, Resistance is Futile."
>Sc0
>

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Date:  Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:08:55 -0400
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
Subject: re: more wierd stuff


	Oh, THAT!  That's the vent tube for your tranny and transfer case.  The
U-bend should be on the top, with the open end facing downward.  It's
designed to work just like a snorkel...  water can't get in because of the
air (or fumes in this case) bubble contained within the "U".

>
>OK I didn't make it very clear. NOT the tranny dip stick! It is a small
>tube app 1/4" and has a 180deg bend at the end!
>
>

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Date:  Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:27:09 -0400
From: Ray Droulliard <ray-at-sslinfo.com>
Subject: Re: Help me obe JOHN-kenobe, ur my only hope!

Warren Rund wrote:
> 
> Ken- Buy a Mac.
> 
Why would he want to buy a toy when he already has a real computer?

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Date:  Wed, 11 Jun 1997 08:53:34 -0500
From: Jeff Herbst <JeffHerbst-at-electrosys.com>
Subject: RE: ASCII Pictures



>
>Just to let you know, that is always a problem between operating systems. 
>The 
>fonts aren't always the same. ( even if they say they are ) I develop
>software using WIN95 & I'm 
>always having to check how it looks on NT3.51, NT4.0, or WIN3.xx.  What a
>pain, I wish that they
>would do version checking or something on the font files.
>
>----------
>
>Some of you guys have gone to a lot of trouble to draw your rigs using
>ASCII. The problem is that they never come out right when I get your
>e-mail.
>
>
>
As suggested, I selected the ASCII pic and changed the font to courier
and presto, it looks great! My default is Arial which is a proportional
space font, the ASCII pics rely on spaces all being the same size.
Problem solved!

>Jeff Herbst
>1982 Wagoneer LTD
>Texas
>JeffHerbst-at-electrosys.com

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Date:  Wed, 11 Jun 1997 08:57:59 -0500
From: Jeff Herbst <JeffHerbst-at-electrosys.com>
Subject: RE: More weird stuff-electrical



>
>Count me in on that problem.  I have three different regulators and they all
>have that sympton. Could it be that quality AMC wiring?
>
>
>>I come again to tap the great and exhaulted FSJ knowledge base.......
>> New problem, when I start the engine the amp meter shows discharge,
>>stays that way until I rev the engine, then it shows heavy charge and
>>then backs down to normal. 

Well I bought a regulator last night and discovered that is a solid
state unit that installs inside the alternator. Since this is a fairly
new 'Life time Warranty' job I may as well get a new one since I have to
remove it to get to the regulator. This is an '82 with factory 'heavy
duty battery and alternator" are most of the other set up like this? Or
do you have external regulators?

Jeff Herbst
1982 Wagoneer LTD
Texas
JeffHerbst-at-electrosys.com

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Date:  Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:06:57 -0500
From: brewer-at-thaad.tecmas.com (John Brewer)
Subject: BG Fuel Systems

Does anybody out there have a BG Fuel Systems VFI unit installed, or know
anyone who does?  I'm trying to find out who manufactures the injectors
themselves.  Any body have a clue?

John Brewer


"Any man who would trade liberty for security deserves neither."
   Benjamin Franklin



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Date:  Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:16:43 -0400
From: Mike Gibson <magibltd-at-netmore.net>
Subject: Re: question on lift kits

At 09:49 PM 6/10/97 +0000, you wrote:

>Hey guys,

>

>I recall hearing about a lift kit for our SJ's that provided new 

>springs, was that fore and aft?

>

>I know Dan got a rancho lift that came with new front springs, but 

>not rear ones...

>

>Does anyone know of a kit that does?

>

>thanx,

>john meister

> (who is happy to have Old Blue and his computer working again...)

>  (the next time nt craps out I may just go to Linux...)

>john meister - Snohomish, WA    john-at-

> http://www./~john /statement.html

>Editor: Cherokee America & Full Size Jeeps  (88 xj & 81 SJ)

> http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/jeep/fsj   (SJ Jeeps)

> http://www.off-road.com/jeepcher (XJ Jeeps)

>-----------------------------------------------------------

 Skyjacker has a 4" lift that comes with four new springs

<bold><bigger>Mike Gibson

90 Super Grand Wagoneer

http://www.seacoast.com/~magibltd/jeep.html</bigger></bold>

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Date:  Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:22:26 -0500
From: Jeff Herbst <JeffHerbst-at-electrosys.com>
Subject: RE: VIN plate



>----------
>
>A guy my step-mother works with recently bought a '77 Wagoneer with no
>title.
>The problem is the VIN plate is either gone, or not where it
>should be.

My '82 has a VIN plate on the dash at the extreme front drivers side
facing up. You can see it by looking down through the windshield. You
may have to use a rag and stick to clear any crud that may be covering
it.


Jeff Herbst
1982 Wagoneer LTD
Texas
JeffHerbst-at-electrosys.com

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Date:  Wed, 11 Jun 1997 07:20:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: john meister <john-at->
Subject: Re: question on lift kits

thanx for the info george...

gonna pass this on to the list as well.

john meister

george Andrews
--)
--)Skyjacker provides a kit with 4 springs. I have this 4" lift kit installed on 
--)my '82 Cherokee. Skyjacker also sells extended brake lines and a dropped 
--)pitman arm!
--)
--)George Andrews, '82 Cherokee
--)
--)----------
--)From:  fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com on behalf of john meister
--)Sent:  Tuesday, June 10, 1997 2:49 PM
--)To:  Multiple recipients of
--)Subject:  question on lift kits
--)
--)Hey guys,
--)
--)I recall hearing about a lift kit for our SJ's that provided new 
--)springs, was that fore and aft?
--)john meister
--)john meister - Snohomish, WA    john-at-
--) http://www./~john /statement.html
--)Editor: Cherokee America & Full Size Jeeps  (88 xj & 81 SJ)
--) http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/jeep/fsj   (SJ Jeeps)
--) http://www.off-road.com/jeepcher (XJ Jeeps)
--)-----------------------------------------------------------


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Date:  Wed, 11 Jun 97 09:42:41 CDT
From: hanstr-at-cimsys01.aud.alcatel.com (Tony Hanson)
Subject: Re: question on lift kits


I talked to the folks at Jack-it Accessories
and got them to send me a catalog since their
web site wasn't and still isnt up.
They have listed lift kits from 1.5 up to 4 inches
in three different pkgs (Std, Deluxe, Premium)
starting at 470 up to 940 bucks...plain kit all
the way up to all springs and hoses and pitman...

You might want to call them 1-888-4jackit

or www.jackit.com

Happy hunting....

   Tony R. Hanson  (hanstr-at-cimsys01.aud.alcatel.com)
         IFSJA Red River Valley Chapter RC
          1964 Wagoneer  Copeville, Texas

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Date:  Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:07:58 -0500
From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Help me obe JOHN-kenobe, ur my only hope!

At 09:27 AM 6/11/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Warren Rund wrote:
>> 
>> Ken- Buy a Mac.
>> 
>Why would he want to buy a toy when he already has a real computer?
>
Maybe he meant a Big Mac at McDonalds?


Joe-



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Date:  Wed, 11 Jun 97 11:00:33 -0400
From: Phil_Horton-at-avid.com
Subject: Mac attack

John B

From one Mac user to another 'You got that right'  Worked and played
around w/PC's for lots of years before I signed on w/my present employer
(Mac application developer) three years ago and saw the light re: Macs. 
Anytime I had to add anything to a PC (card. disk, mem) it was a royal
PIA.  Couldn't be any easier with a Mac.

Last night fixed a couple of broken wires in the harness that feeds the
left rear door and (stand back) I can operate all the power door windows
sittin in the captain's chair.  Next thing ya know I'll have the back
door power locks working.  Must be getting caught up on maintenance
cuase I'm goin after the little stuff now.

Put the custom made (by me) surf rod roof and bumper racks back on the
Wag last night.  Getting ready to head to the Vinyad next week with the
family.  Kid's last day of school is Fri.  Time to hit the beach with
the Wag and chase down those fishies.  Been a while since I've taken
time off and I'm lookin forward to it.  Have to bring the PowerBook
along (can't ever seem to get THAT far from work) so I'll post some
fishing reoports (opps, that's the other news group)

take care and tight lines (fisherperson speak)

Phil
phil_horton-at-avid.com
'88 Grand Wagoneer         

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Date:  Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:48:38 -0400
From: John Esposito <espos-at-compuserve.com>
Subject: Rancho 9000?

Who knows the cheapest place to get these shocks. The buy 3 get one free
deal expires on July 15. I know alot of guys have gone to the 9000's and
like them. Does anyone have the in cab control unit for these, do they wo=
rk
well? =


Alfred J. Esposito
espos-at-compuserve.com
'89 Grand Wagoneer

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Date:  Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:59:58 -0500
From: Jeff Herbst <JeffHerbst-at-electrosys.com>
Subject: RE: Mac attack



>
>From one Mac user to another 'You got that right'  Worked and played
>around w/PC's for lots of years before I signed on w/my present employer
>(Mac application developer) three years ago and saw the light re: Macs. 
>Anytime I had to add anything to a PC (card. disk, mem) it was a royal
>PIA.  Couldn't be any easier with a Mac.
>
Use & repair both -at- work. In some ways your right, if you get an apple
part it usually goes in without a hitch, costs 5 times as much, but
works. 3rd party stuff, well that's another story...


>Jeff Herbst
>1982 Wagoneer LTD
>Texas
>JeffHerbst-at-electrosys.com

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Date:  Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:15:24 -0500
From: Jeff Herbst <JeffHerbst-at-electrosys.com>
Subject: Aluminum tube

Thanks for all the suggestions, well most of them!
 The tube is as Doc describes, looks like a snorkel, so it must be a
vent. I made a visual inspection and made sure I could account for the
tranny dipstick, and the 2 tank vent lines. (yall made me wonder!) they
are all there in addition to the snorkel tube. What I'm wondering now is
: Does anybody else have one of these? As I have said I've known this
car since birth and neither I nor my dad has added it so it must be
factory.

Jeff Herbst
1982 Wagoneer LTD
Texas
JeffHerbst-at-electrosys.com

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Date:  Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:28:18 -0600 (MDT)
From: Brian Riggs <Brian.Riggs-at-genetics.utah.edu>
Subject: Re: question on lift kits



On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, john meister wrote:

> Hey guys,
>
> I recall hearing about a lift kit for our SJ's that provided new
> springs, was that fore and aft?
>
> I know Dan got a rancho lift that came with new front springs, but
> not rear ones...
>
> Does anyone know of a kit that does?
>
> thanx,
> john meister

The skyjacker 4" kit includes springs F&R.

Brian


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Date:  Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:41:37 -0400
From: Ray Droulliard <ray-at-sslinfo.com>
Subject: Re: More wierd stuff-electrical

Jeff Herbst wrote:
> 
> I come again to tap the great and exhaulted FSJ knowledge base.......
>  New problem, when I start the engine the amp meter shows discharge,
> stays that way until I rev the engine, then it shows heavy charge and
> then backs down to normal. I can understand the charge, but why the
> discharge until I rev the engine? BTW only one quick rev does the job,
> charges fine at idle after that. If I just start it and don't rev, I
> think it would eventually complete discharge the battery!

Do you have one of the older style points-type voltage regulators?  It
might be sticking.

BTW...  If the alternater required lots of RPMs to work, I would
diagnose it as one or more of the diodes.

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Date:  Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:49:39 -0400
From: Ray Droulliard <ray-at-sslinfo.com>
Subject: Re: More wierd stuff-electrical

> OK I didn't make it very clear. NOT the tranny dip stick! It is a small
> tube app 1/4" and has a 180deg bend at the end!

Maybe it's an extended breather, like the ones that are attached to both
differentials.

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Date:  Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:38:51 -0400
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
Subject: re: funky speedo


	You need to lube the speedo cable!  Actually, normally by the time they
start jumping around it's too late, and it needs to be replaced...

>Date:  Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:11:29 -0400 (EDT)
>From: Geoguytom-at-aol.com
>Subject: Funky Speedo
>
>And I'm not talking about shorts neither....
>
>Has anyone else had the problem of the rapidly fluctuating speedo?   Mine
>says I am doing 50 when I am at 30 mph.  Then it flicks back and forth like a
>flipper on a pinball machine.
>
>This is not always the case though.  Usually on initial start up and go it is
>fine.
>
>Please reply if you have any suggestions.
>
>Tom Pinto
>

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Date:  Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:40:40 -0400
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
Subject: re: "conditioners"


	Ah, so they must be good!  <grin>.  In other words, since when does
Consumer Reports have a clue?  I'm not disagreeing...  I just couldn't
resist, remembering our ancient discussions about Consumer Reports...

>PS: Conditioners of any sort give me (and Consumer Reports)  heartburn.


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Date:  Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:50:24 -0400
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
Subject: the great drive swap


	using win95, or 3.1, or NT, use a program called "Ghost" to transfer the
stuff from the old drive to the new drive.  It's the only program I know of
that successfully laplinks ALL the "special" 95 and NT stuff.  Laplink does
NOT.  So, all you have to do is hook up the new drive as "d", do the
laplink, then change the jumpers on the drives, change the CMOS, and you're
all set.

	NOTE OF INTEREST:  It is better to use a second machine to do the cloning
to...  once you hook up a second HDD on 95 (I dunno if NT has this same
quirk, but I wouldn't be surprised) you're probably stuck with THAT hard
drive as a slave, always and forever.  I first discovered this problem
about two months ago...  actually, I've had problems with customers'
removable HDDs, but didn't realize that's what it was till I ran into the
problem on my machine...



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Date:  Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:09:49 -0500 (CDT)
From: chrissy saltsgaver <chrissys-at-midwest.net>
Subject: Re: wheel color?

At 11:32 PM 6/10/97 -0500, you wrote:
>
>I am about to refurbish my white (were) spoke wheels,
>any one know the color?  What's left of the original color
>doesn't look like a bright white. Any ideas, or just go for white
>spray cans?
>
>C'ya
>joe-
>
>
If I remember from the "bicentenial" days, they were bright white w/ thin
red & blue pin stripes at the outside edge.

Mike S.


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Date:  Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:54:25 -0700
From: Dan Matheny <dmatheny-at-mutoh.com>
Subject: AMC 401 experts (Mr. Baxter, etc.)

I'm going to have to rebuild my 360, and I'm thinking why not replace my
360 short block with a 401 short block?

If I recall correctly I've seen posts saying that all the accessories,
heads, intake and exhaust manifolds, valve and timing chain covers, and
oil pickup/pan are interchangeable between the 360 and 401 blocks.

Can anybody confirm this?

What about the harmonic balancer?  Belts and pulleys?  Exhaust pipe
location on the manifold end?

Are there any gotchas?  Like engine/tranny mounts/positions?

I have called a few rebuilders around Phoenix, most don't have a 401
core to rebuild, but think that they can get one.  Autozone claims to
have a short block with RV cam available, and Checker claims to have a
long block with RV cam available.  The main Spartan and Roadrunner
distributors in town didn't have anything available.  None of these
could confirm whether their rebuilts had forged crank and/or pistons.
Most said that AMC 401's originally had a forged crank, but not forged
pistons. 

What compression ratio was stock?  How high could I go and still run on
89 octane unleaded without pinging or other problems?

Thanks for any info!

C Ya,

Dan Matheny '77 J-20, 360, QT; '95 ZJ Laredo, 318, QT

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Date:  Wed, 11 Jun 1997 13:30:56 -0500
From: brewer-at-thaad.tecmas.com (John Brewer)
Subject: Spare 2bbl Carb

I've got an '89 GW and am looking for another 2bbl carb to do some
experimenting with.  Any of you guys who've switched to Edelbrock or any
one else have one of these they'd be willing to let go cheap?

JB


"Any man who would trade liberty for security deserves neither."
   Benjamin Franklin



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Date:  Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:37:46 -0400
From: Ray Droulliard <ray-at-sslinfo.com>
Subject: Re: Mac attack

Phil_Horton-at-avid.com wrote:
> 
> John B
> 
> >From one Mac user to another 'You got that right'  Worked and played
> around w/PC's for lots of years before I signed on w/my present employer
> (Mac application developer) three years ago and saw the light re: Macs.
> Anytime I had to add anything to a PC (card. disk, mem) it was a royal
> PIA.  Couldn't be any easier with a Mac.

I have written applications for both platforms.  I have repaired both
machines.

We wrote an application that ran on both.  We got a support call.  It
seems that they tried to print a report, and it never came out.  They
used a mac.  We had them print the report using a PC.  It worked great. 
After an hour or 1 1/2 hours, the mac report finally started printing. 
It took the PC just a few minutes...  You figure it out.

It is no secret that Macs cost more for the same level of performance.

As for repairs and upgrades, you're not making a fair comparison.  There
are tons of third party components available for PCs.  If you're not
careful, you'll have a challenge.  If you go with the better stuff,
you'll still pay less than you would with a mac and have all the
reliability.  There is a greater variety of upgrades for the PC.

By the way, windows 95 has PNP (Plug 'n Play) capability.  As you said
about the mac: "couldn't be simpler".  That is, if you don't get some
junky stuff like I did.  My 8X CD ROM caused me tons of grief, but I
finally got it to work with Win 95 when I read the instructions.  Oh
well...

By the way... A friend of mine had to reload ALL of her software when we
upgraded the RAM on her Mac.  I never had to do that with a PC.

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Date:  Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:41:05 -0700
From: "Jandrt, Rick" <rick.jandrt-at-nissan-usa.com>
Subject: RE: More wierd stuff-electrical

OK if not from the tranny how about from the transfer case???

Rick(chocolate moose)
rick.jandrt-at-nissan-usa.com
Lakewood, CO

>----------
>From: 	Ray Droulliard[SMTP:ray-at-sslinfo.com]
>Sent: 	Wednesday, June 11, 1997 10:49 AM
>To: 	Multiple recipients of
>Subject: 	Re: More wierd stuff-electrical
>
>> OK I didn't make it very clear. NOT the tranny dip stick! It is a small
>> tube app 1/4" and has a 180deg bend at the end!
>
>Maybe it's an extended breather, like the ones that are attached to both
>differentials.
>
>
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Date:  Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:44:08 -0700
From: swhitney-at-presto.gis.pima.gov (Steve Whitney)
Subject: Re: AMC 401 experts (Mr. Baxter, etc.)

I swapped a Y-to-single exhaust from my '78 Wag 401 to my '72 Wag 360, and put
the dual exhaust system from my '72 on my '78.  No problems, everything lined up
perfectly.

c-ya,
Whit.

Steve Whitney, '78 Wag
401, 4bbl, TH400 w/ B&M Transpak, QT w/ MM part-time kit, 2" AALs, 31" BFG ATs
Tucson, AZ
swhitney-at-gis.pima.gov

> 
> I'm going to have to rebuild my 360, and I'm thinking why not replace my
> 360 short block with a 401 short block?
> 
> Exhaust pipe location on the manifold end?
>

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Date:  Wed, 11 Jun 1997 13:56:21 -0500
From: Jeff Herbst <JeffHerbst-at-electrosys.com>
Subject: RE: the great drive swap


>
>
>	NOTE OF INTEREST:  It is better to use a second machine to do the cloning
>to...  once you hook up a second HDD on 95 (I dunno if NT has this same
>quirk, but I wouldn't be surprised) you're probably stuck with THAT hard
>drive as a slave, always and forever.  I first discovered this problem
>about two months ago...  actually, I've had problems with customers'
>removable HDDs, but didn't realize that's what it was till I ran into the
>problem on my machine...
>
>
>
Doc,
 I send him Ghost, I've never used it but heard lot's of good things.
I'm a little unclear on how WIN 95 could alter the master/slave settings
since those are registered at boot by the system BIOS. Uh, I brought a
copy of ghost from home on a floppy in my FSJ. (mandatory content)


>Jeff Herbst
>1982 Wagoneer LTD
>Texas
>JeffHerbst-at-electrosys.com

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Date:  Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:54:26 -0700
From: "Jandrt, Rick" <rick.jandrt-at-nissan-usa.com>
Subject: RE: Spare 2bbl Carb

I've got one from a '77. It's been sitting on the engine for a couple
years(out of the weather) but I'd be willing to let it go for $15 plus
shipping. It looks to be in good shape. I pulled the engine out of a
running Wagoneer

Rick(chocolate moose)
rick.jandrt-at-nissan-usa.com
Lakewood, CO

>----------
>From: 	brewer-at-thaad.tecmas.com[SMTP:brewer-at-thaad.tecmas.com]
>Sent: 	Wednesday, June 11, 1997 12:30 PM
>To: 	Multiple recipients of
>Subject: 	Spare 2bbl Carb
>
>I've got an '89 GW and am looking for another 2bbl carb to do some
>experimenting with.  Any of you guys who've switched to Edelbrock or any
>one else have one of these they'd be willing to let go cheap?
>
>JB
>
>
>"Any man who would trade liberty for security deserves neither."
>   Benjamin Franklin
>
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Date:  Wed, 11 Jun 1997 13:58:49 -0500
From: Jeff Herbst <JeffHerbst-at-electrosys.com>
Subject: RE: Spare 2bbl Carb



>I've got an '89 GW and am looking for another 2bbl carb to do some
>experimenting with.  Any of you guys who've switched to Edelbrock or any
>one else have one of these they'd be willing to let go cheap?
>
JB, your welcome to mine, How about $20 bucks and you pay shipping?


>Jeff Herbst
>1982 Wagoneer LTD
>Texas
>JeffHerbst-at-electrosys.com

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Date:  Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:00:33 -0700
From: "Renshaw, Ken" <krenshaw-at-resumix.com>
Subject: RE: question on lift kits



>----------
>From: 	john meister
>Sent: 	Tuesday, June 10, 1997 2:49 PM
>To: 	Multiple recipients of
>Subject: 	question on lift kits
>
>Hey guys,
>
>I recall hearing about a lift kit for our SJ's that provided new 
>springs, was that fore and aft?
>
>I know Dan got a rancho lift that came with new front springs, but 
>not rear ones...
>
>Does anyone know of a kit that does?

Skyjacker makes 4" rear springs for FSJ's.

Superlift's ( and other's....) all seem to have rear blocks.

-Ken


>
>thanx,
>john meister
>

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Date:  Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:11:30 -0500
From: Jeff Herbst <JeffHerbst-at-electrosys.com>
Subject: RE: More weird stuff-electrical



>
>OK if not from the tranny how about from the transfer case???
>
Might be. I'll have to crawl under to see.


>Jeff Herbst
>1982 Wagoneer LTD
>Texas
>JeffHerbst-at-electrosys.com
>
>

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Date:  Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:26:03 -0700
From: Gordon McKenzie <gordmck-at-direct.ca>
Subject: Re: Mac attack

You know, I'm not surprised that there are so many Mac fans on this
list. I figure their expensive to buy, expensive to upgrade, hard to
find parts for, hard to find software (I'm an accountant and the Mac
accounting software variety isn't up to the PC variety) but are a
pleasure to use.

Our FSJ's are hard to come buy (but not too expensive), expensive to
upgrade, hard to find parts for, but are a pleasure to use.

Makes sense to me!!!!!!!!!!!

Gord (needing lunch)

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Date:  Wed, 11 Jun 1997 15:28:15 -0500
From: Jeff Herbst <JeffHerbst-at-electrosys.com>
Subject: RE: Mac attack



>
>You know, I'm not surprised that there are so many Mac fans on this
>list. I figure their expensive to buy, expensive to upgrade, hard to
>find parts for, hard to find software (I'm an accountant and the Mac
>accounting software variety isn't up to the PC variety) but are a
>pleasure to use.
>
>Our FSJ's are hard to come buy (but not too expensive), expensive to
>upgrade, hard to find parts for, but are a pleasure to use.
>
Yes , but are they user-friendly?????


>Jeff Herbst
>1982 Wagoneer LTD
>Texas
>JeffHerbst-at-electrosys.com
> 
>

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Date:  Wed, 11 Jun 1997 15:31:18 -0500
From: brewer-at-thaad.tecmas.com (John Brewer)
Subject: Re: Mac attack

>Phil_Horton-at-avid.com wrote:
>>
>> John B
>>
>> >From one Mac user to another 'You got that right'  Worked and played
>> around w/PC's for lots of years before I signed on w/my present employer
>> (Mac application developer) three years ago and saw the light re: Macs.
>> Anytime I had to add anything to a PC (card. disk, mem) it was a royal
>> PIA.  Couldn't be any easier with a Mac.
>
>I have written applications for both platforms.  I have repaired both
>machines.
>
>We wrote an application that ran on both.  We got a support call.  It
>seems that they tried to print a report, and it never came out.  They
>used a mac.  We had them print the report using a PC.  It worked great.
>After an hour or 1 1/2 hours, the mac report finally started printing.
>It took the PC just a few minutes...  You figure it out.
>
>It is no secret that Macs cost more for the same level of performance.
>
>As for repairs and upgrades, you're not making a fair comparison.  There
>are tons of third party components available for PCs.  If you're not
>careful, you'll have a challenge.  If you go with the better stuff,
>you'll still pay less than you would with a mac and have all the
>reliability.  There is a greater variety of upgrades for the PC.
>
>By the way, windows 95 has PNP (Plug 'n Play) capability.  As you said
>about the mac: "couldn't be simpler".  That is, if you don't get some
>junky stuff like I did.  My 8X CD ROM caused me tons of grief, but I
>finally got it to work with Win 95 when I read the instructions.  Oh
>well...
>
>By the way... A friend of mine had to reload ALL of her software when we
>upgraded the RAM on her Mac.  I never had to do that with a PC.
>

Please!  NO MORE...  Yer Bustin my bubble!!!!  :)

JB


"Any man who would trade liberty for security deserves neither."
   Benjamin Franklin



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Date:  Wed, 11 Jun 1997 15:41:56 -0700
From: Jim Sterling <sterling-at-jetlink.net>
Subject: Re: BIG tires and fender trimming. (and model 60 rears)

At 03:32 PM 6/10/97 -0700, you wrote:
>that mayb alright for the front hub/rotor, but what about the 
>inner axles and the outer stubs??  were the OEM 8lug d44
>front axles made from thicker stuff, w/ more slpines or both???
>and also, the tie rod ends mayb of a different size than the 
>OEM jeep stuff we re use to!! also, that dodge d60
>is centered, that would limit this conversion to the post 79
>FSJ's!!!
>
>dam im a pain...aint i!?!?
>
>> 
>> Use a Dodge Van Dana 60. It is about 1 inch narrower that a wide track
>> rearend, but will work fine, You may have to move the spring perches. I just
>> picked up a Dodge Dana 60 from a van myself and will install later this
>> year. Also found out that if you change the front rotors and get the Chevy
>> mid 80's backing plates, you can convert the front Dana 44 from 6 to 8 lugs
>> to match the back. When I get all the parts together I will post correct #'s
>> and do a write up. Probably wont be until later this year.
>> 
>> Jim Sterling
>> 79/83 FrankenJeep
>> 
Yes I suppose that a Dana 44hd has beefier splines or tubes. But a Dana 44
with 6 lugs is pretty beefy already. So if you think your going to break the
44 then put a dana60 in the front as well. By converting the 44 from 6 to 8
lugs all your doing is making the rims compatible. I know many people with a
44 that have never broke them, but then again I know people that have broke
a dana 60. And yes if you have offset diffs in the back your SOL, or convert
to centered diff and change the tank.

Jim


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Date:  Wed, 11 Jun 1997 15:49:32 -0700
From: Jim Sterling <sterling-at-jetlink.net>
Subject: RE: VIN plate

At 09:22 AM 6/11/97 -0500, you wrote:
>
>
>>----------
>>
>>A guy my step-mother works with recently bought a '77 Wagoneer with no
>>title.
>>The problem is the VIN plate is either gone, or not where it
>>should be.
>
>My '82 has a VIN plate on the dash at the extreme front drivers side
>facing up. You can see it by looking down through the windshield. You
>may have to use a rag and stick to clear any crud that may be covering
>it.
>
>
>Jeff Herbst
He could also take it to the DMV/Highway Patrol and have them do a
inspection on it and give him a new VIN number. Here in CA that is what
happens if you "lose" the VIN.

Jim Sterling


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Date:  Wed, 11 Jun 1997 16:49:31 -0700
From: swhitney-at-presto.gis.pima.gov (Steve Whitney)
Subject: RE: Cooling ?'s

Thanks to all who responded to my cooling questions.  Here's a brief rundown on
where I'm at:

  - Completed so far:

    - New fan clutch
    - Fan shroud

    Solved my in-town temps, but highway temps still high.

  - Currently in progress:

    - Running Presto Super Clean (3-6 hrs., 10 max.)

  - Planned for this weekend:

    - New thermostat (160*)
    - New rad cap (16 lbs.)
    - New hoses
    - Seriously check out the crack in the head

  - After that:

    - Have the system pressure tested

Am I missing anything?

Thanks again for all the suggestions, once again the collective FSJ brain trust
has come through for me!

c-ya,
Whit.

Steve Whitney, '78 Wag
401, 4bbl, TH400 w/ B&M Transpak, QT w/ MM part-time kit, 2" AALs, 31" BFG ATs
Tucson, AZ
swhitney-at-gis.pima.gov

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Date:  Wed, 11 Jun 1997 19:59:37 -0500
From: "Sc0" <jjd-at-flex.net>
Subject: Re: BG Fuel Systems



> Does anybody out there have a BG Fuel Systems VFI unit
installed, or know
> anyone who does?  I'm trying to find out who manufactures
the injectors
> themselves.  Any body have a clue?
> 
> John Brewer

I know that they use Holley's for the base.....
I also know that the Manufacturer doesn't recomend putting
it on an engine with less than 300 "ponies".
And I know that it isn't street legal.

Other than that...It looks SWEET!!!  Just get a computer
and wire it up.


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Date:  Thu, 12 Jun 97 01:17:31 UT
From: "george Andrews" <gandre01-at-msn.com>
Subject: 2bbl carb for experiment

John Brewer,

I have a 2bbl carb from a '79. Don't know if it will fit an '89? I can use 
it...I have converted to throttle body injection.....you can have it for 
shipping and handling!

George Andrews, '82 Cherokee

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Date:  Wed, 11 Jun 1997 22:01:55 -0400
From: Zack Heisey <moosh-at-redrose.net>
Subject: Re: '62-'72 P.B. CHECKS!!!

William S. McBride wrote:
> 
> Zack -
> 
> Did I miss the address to send the check to? Please post. thanks.
> 
> Bill McBride
> 1968 J-100
> 
Bill,  here it is:

Zack Heisey
2781 Ironville Pike
Columbia, PA 17512

Thanks!
> 
>

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Date:  Wed, 11 Jun 1997 22:08:05 -0400
From: Zack Heisey <moosh-at-redrose.net>
Subject: Re: '62-'72 P.B. CHECKS!!!

Brazzadog-at-aol.com wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 97-06-09 11:45:58 EDT, you write:
> 
> <<  For everyone that wants a '62-'72 J-Series Jeep Parts
>  Manual, please send me $55 of your hard earned dollars in check form, at
>  your earliest convenience. >>
> 
> 
> I just got on the mailing list so I've missed earlier discussion on this
> topic.  I think I want  one but I don't know what it is or what it's good
> for.  ( I know, I'm a hard sell )  I assume it is different from the factory
> service manual I already have.  Please enlighten me.
> 
Hi!  Just wanted to let you know that Zack with email you with the
details on Saturday.  He works away from home during the week.  Welcome
to the list!

Megan (the significant other)
> 
>

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Date:  Wed, 11 Jun 1997 21:12:00 -0500
From: "Sc0" <jjd-at-flex.net>
Subject: Re: Aluminum tube


> Thanks for all the suggestions, well most of them!
>  The tube is as Doc describes, looks like a snorkel, so
it must be a
> vent. I made a visual inspection and made sure I could
account for the
> tranny dipstick, and the 2 tank vent lines. (yall made me
wonder!) they
> are all there in addition to the snorkel tube. What I'm
wondering now is
> : Does anybody else have one of these? As I have said
I've known this
> car since birth and neither I nor my dad has added it so
it must be
> factory.
> 
> Jeff Herbst
> 1982 Wagoneer LTD
> Texas
> JeffHerbst-at-electrosys.com

I think that Doc has one on one of his FSJ's...

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Date:  Wed, 11 Jun 1997 21:15:23 -0500
From: "Sc0" <jjd-at-flex.net>
Subject: Re: wheel color?



> >
> >I am about to refurbish my white (were) spoke wheels,
> >any one know the color?  What's left of the original
color
> >doesn't look like a bright white. Any ideas, or just go
for white
> >spray cans?
> >
> >C'ya
> >joe-
> >
> >
> If I remember from the "bicentenial" days, they were
bright white w/ thin
> red & blue pin stripes at the outside edge.
> 
> Mike S.

 I bought some NEW white spoke wheels that were made by
Prime...  they have that red/blue pin stripe by the outer
edge of the rim.
(wheels were $43 a piece, 8 lug fashion, 16 inchers.)

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Date:  Wed, 11 Jun 1997 21:26:21 -0500
From: "Sc0" <jjd-at-flex.net>
Subject: Poor mans FI

well, has anyone thought about one yet?

"JEEP = Just Every Extra Part"
Sc0

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Date:  Wed, 11 Jun 1997 21:39:55 -0500
From: "Sc0" <jjd-at-flex.net>
Subject: Re: 2bbl Carb


> I've got an '89 GW and am looking for another 2bbl carb
to do some
> experimenting with.  Any of you guys who've switched to
Edelbrock or any
> one else have one of these they'd be willing to let go
cheap?
> 
> JB

Tinkering eh....Motorcraft...
What effect would it have if you opened up the main Jets? 
(I did this...)


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