Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 20:54:18 -0400
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
Subject: web site update
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Additions - New Pages - 5 pages - total pages 214
Readers - Mitch Valentine - '87 Grand Wagoneer
Humor - Darwin Award Winner for 1997 - John Meister
Tech - IGNITION SWITCH Problem or Hmmmmmm - Joe Sego
Tech - Power Steering Adjustment - Michael Baxter
Tech - Carb Swap - Blow by Blow - Jeff Herbst
Modifications and Additions to Existing Pages
Sources - "Doc" adds a source for Jeep stuff in the Central Florida
area, Wilson's Jeep
Links - Added a link for Advance Adapters
History - IFSJA Regional Coordinators - Rick Jandrt is the new Rocky
Mountain RC. Congrats, Rick!
History - IFSJA Regional Coordinators - Tony Hanson is the new Texas /
Oklahoma RC. Congrats, Rick!
Other Notes of Possible Interest
Congratulations to the new Rocky Mountain Regional Coordinator, Rick
Jandrt
Congratulations to the new Texas / Oklahoma RC, Tony Hanson
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[Back to Top]Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 21:09:47 +0000 From: "Russ Wylie" <rwylie-at-mail4.voicenet.com> Subject: Re: A lurker surfaces and stuff > Reply-to: fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com > Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 18:31:58 -0500 > From: "Jeff Gunn" <jgunn-at-hou.varco.com> > To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com> > Subject: Re: A lurker surfaces and stuff > On Apr 30, 1:13pm, Russ Wylie wrote: > > Subject: A lurker surfaces and stuff > > > > Besides being young, I am a civil war reenactor. Therefore, i > need > > to haul alot of stuff around which I can't do in a cj5. > > All the ones around here are beat. > > > > Thanks, > > Russ > > > > > >-- End of excerpt from Russ Wylie > > I am guessing that you're somewhere in the South? > > Give us a location, maybe we can help you... > > Jeff > Houston, Texas I remembered to include a location right after I sent it, but I'm from Newtown, PA. It's about 20min North of Philadelphia. Russ[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 20:25:15 -0500 (CDT) From: Moake Brian <iw67-at-jove.acs.unt.edu> Subject: Re: kelley blue book site On Wed, 30 Apr 1997, jaamize wrote: > doc wrote > <only problem is that it only lists "trade-in" value. > > actually I remember when I was reading thru the sites info. that it said that what the site was quoteing was what a dealer would sell it for > not what a dealer would buy it for. but then I also remember that there > were all types of buy sell and trade in searchs so maybe you should search around on that site a little more. > Alisa It depends on how you enter the site... if you enter as a buyer it shows dealer resale... if you enter as seller it shows what to expect the dealer to offer.[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 19:07:57 +0000 From: "john meister" <john-at-> Subject: FSJ engineering Subject: Full-SizeJeep engineering There are three engineers in a Full-Size Jeep, an electrical engineer, a chemical engineer, and a Microsoft engineer. Suddenly the FSJ just stops by the side of the road, and the three engineers look at each other wondering what could be wrong. The electrical engineer suggests stripping down the electronics of the FSJ and trying to trace where a fault might have occurred. The chemical engineer, not knowing much about FSJ's suggests that maybe the fuel is becoming emulsified and getting blocked somewhere. Then, the Microsoft engineer, not knowing much about anything, comes up with a suggestion. "Why don't we close all the windows, get out, get back in, open the windows again, and maybe it'll work!?"[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 22:08:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Knapp <knappe-at-mcnet.marietta.edu> Subject: Re: kelley blue book site the edmund's site has alot of infomation of vehichles as well as trade-in and selling prices. also price adjustments for mileage and options like v8 a/c etc >http://www.edmunds.com< eek[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 97 19:14:09 -0700 From: bks-at-co.intel.com Subject: Re: Perry Masons GW SuperKen wrote: > 62..the wags did come out till 63!! > > jaamize wrote: > > > > have you seen the 1962 movie with rock hudson called mans favorite sport? by the middle of that movie he is driving a wagoneer,. > > also white. it's a very spiffy machine! > > alisa > > > -- If they were a 63 model year they were probably available late 62. For example, my 82 Wag was build in Sept. 81. Doesn't Johns web page give the intro data for the wag (under jeep trivia). Was it Nov. 14, 1962? -brad[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 97 19:22:27 -0700 From: bks-at-co.intel.com Subject: Re: NP205 SuperKen wrote: > dunno :( > > Moake Brian wrote: > > > > Does it connect like the stock transfer case? (levers rather than stick) Okay, I have lost track of which transfer case Moake has, but the NP205 is similar to the D20 in its shift mechanism. It has two shift rods that stick out of the front of the case. Shifting is accomplished by moving the rods in and out. One rod controlls 4WD/2WD. The other controls HI/N/LO. You need some sort of external linkage and mounting for shifting the t-case. -brad S.[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 19:42:42 +0000 From: "john meister" <john-at-> Subject: Re: resize away doc... > Subject: re: vacuum diagram > > Once again, Doc comes to the rescue.... <grin>. It ain't no problem for > me to resize it... I can deal with whatever ya can send me, Jeff. So if > ya want, send it to me, I'll hack, er, modify it and send it to John. > Otherwise he'll never figure it out... <grin>. > It seems like I really need to spend more quality time with my toys... Doc's right, I'll never figure it out... <grin> Show me how to paint that fence doc... (BTW, it would be a big help if you did, my monitor and resolution isn't appropriate for good web design... for shame... Even Mark has noticed my deficiency... So, back to the "drawing board" for me... Thanx doc... I'll be looking for it... and MAYBE I'll even figure out how to get it out of Pegasus, this program doesn't do the same thing eudora does... Sheesh... ) later, john ******************************************************** john-at- http://www. ORC-FSJ = http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/jeep/fsj Snohomish, WA USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold JEEPS:(Wagoneer Limited 81 SJ & 88 xj)and Cherokee 77 SJ no Jesus = no peace <-> know Jesus = know peace **********************************************************[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 19:46:47 -0700 From: billy dunn <dunns-at-csra.net> Subject: Re: D20 swap At 09:07 PM 4/29/97 EDT, you wrote: >When do you want one?? (D20) >>>>> >ASAP installed. How much? > >How far are you from SC???100.00 for the case. > >>I also >>have a Dual lever d20 from a scout. >>>>> >How much for that? >100.00 for it to....Its worth more to those ole Scout people but I look after the FSJ peepl first!! > >Got a 205 lying around? AHHHhhhhhhhh YEP!!!From a ford to....Its not goin anywhere soon though...I am putting it in my 80 J10 so I can haul my 79 J10 to the mtns. >Brad Feick > > > > >--------------------------------------------------- >To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the command >"unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > > > >[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 19:46:48 -0700 From: billy dunn <dunns-at-csra.net> Subject: Re: Brad F! At 09:32 PM 4/29/97 EDT, you wrote: > >Brad I think I would maybe go to the 208 case with the 400.I believe that it >is just as strong and gives you a better low range. >>>>> >Just as strong as what? Is it right hand drop? > It is as strong (I THINK STRONGER) than a d20.I know the Dodge case is right hand drop. >I havent had a failure >with my d20(KNOCK ON WOOD)but I think I am putting to much punishment >through it.Depends I guess on what you plan on doing with it. >>>>> >Well, I'm not going to put 38" Swampers on it and do 4wd burn outs with it >with the ARBs locked! (well on 2nd thought...) Anyway, first the QT is >supposed to explode on me, but yet I see Frank beating the snot out of his >Wag. THEN, an all gear case is supposed to be the ticket (which I thought was >true even before all of this), but the D20 may not stand up to the test. Is >the 205 all that nuch better? Will it work with my pass. side front diff? >What about the 208? What exactly is different about the 228 from the 208? >Has anybody out there broken a D20 PERSONALLY? All I know first hand is that >my buddy's stock '70 C20 with all gear 'case (not sure what that is...) and >PTO has pulled out some amazing "stucks" with his granny gear 4 spd, probably >has 300K miles on it, and just keeps wearing out motors. Obviously no 'case >is gonna take many side stepping hole shots. Is it possible to find a 205 >without a grail-like search? > >I dont know anything about a 228 but I know that a 205 is (IT)!!!That is what that C20 has (POSSIBLE 203)in it. And YES I have broken a d20....I did it with my 258 and 3spd.....BUT I was really abusing it.Who doesnt get rough when they are STUCK!!! > >I'll be selling my 400 and >d20.Different strokes different folks I guess. >>>>> >Send me up that twin stick and the 400 gears and I'll be your best friend... > OK<I can send it via Yellow Frieght,when you want it??? >Brad Feick > Billy[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 22:50:23 -0400 From: Zack Heisey <moosh-at-redrose.net> Subject: HEY RUSS & Brad Hey Brad, Look, someone else from PA. This is turning into a regular club. We've moved from like dead last in membership to close to the top. Lets see, I think only Caly and maybe Washington have more. Yes. We'll all have to get together sometime. Brad, your house sound like middle ground? Russ, I'm in Lancaster, about 2 hours west of Philly. Drop a line if your ever coming out this way. Brad and I will have to drag you along to the next truck show in Carlisle. Later, Zack Heisey '79 J-10 '79 Cherokee Chief Wide Track > I remembered to include a location right after I sent it, but I'm > from Newtown, PA. It's about 20min North of Philadelphia. > > Russ[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 19:54:10 +0000 From: "john meister" <john-at-> Subject: Re: john's back yard... > Ok... apologies accepted... <<smile>. Welcome to the list, Alisa! > > So, are ya gonna take the Doggie back, or is it gonna wind up in John's > yard? I'm soon to be in hot water with the warden... That is if Tom actually comes through (fat chance) of delivering Mark's "new" J20. Becky made it clear that I was to have the gray wagoneer gone before I brought another project home... (hey, I've ONLY got 3 Jeeps here right now, and they all look nice, and even move under their own power and everything... I only have ONE utility trailer and ONE tow dolly... Mark and I have both suggested that we get rid of the Buick... :-) (that's her car... at least when Christine doesn't have it... My guess is Becky will inherit the little wagoneer when Christine goes off to college and Old Blue has a "economical" motor beating in his chest... BTW, I don't have much of a back yard, and what we do have Becky has claimed as garden, what parts the stream and blackberries haven't claimed... I've got to add on to my "shed" and fix the roof, it mostly doesn't leak... It's supposed to rain through next week and Old Blue needs an alternator bad, the little wag needs shocks and tires, the gray wag needs a timing chain, I start working next week (both a blessing and a curse, vacations over... :-) , I may have sold my trailer so I need to pull the tool box off of it, I need to run down to Mt.Rainer to pick up the Luv pickup for the next trailer, I still have web pages to build (Jim Sterling's is next....), Old Blue's new HighPerf Cat Converter and Dynomax Super Turbo 2.5" Muffler has arrived and I expect the Class III hitch anyday, which means I'll finally through the auxillary tank in, and when I start building the other trailer, actually weld and install the brush guard... I just wish the rain would go back to the PNW mode instead of this miserable Midwest mode... Where's the mizzle when you need it? The weeds are growing by leaps and bounds... Oh yeah, and when taking Old Blue out through the field this morning I noticed a white pipe exposed where my drainfield lives... guess I'll have to use the driveway from now on. Bummer... back to work, john ******************************************************** john-at- http://www. ORC-FSJ = http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/jeep/fsj Snohomish, WA USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold JEEPS:(Wagoneer Limited 81 SJ & 88 xj)and Cherokee 77 SJ no Jesus = no peace <-> know Jesus = know peace **********************************************************[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 19:58:55 +0000 From: "john meister" <john-at-> Subject: Re: IFSJA site and the list server... > Anyway, we're about to put a serious stress test on the listserv... I'm > in the process of doing a mass search engine submission for the IFSJA > site. > So brace yourself, Sam! Like it's really gonna make that much of a > difference, eh? I'm tired of nobody seeing my handiwork <pout> <grin>. > Time to hit the big time, folks.... > Doc, hold off a bit until the new server gets settled in, they're still working bugs out. They agreed to move the FSJ-list onto the server, leaving Sam somewhat in control, not sure of all the details, but the ONE GOOD Thing is the list serv won't take weekends off anymore. If you send me one of those cool gifs sized appropriately for a 1/2 screen (50% table width) for a normal monitor, I'll give ya a link right off the main FSJ - ORC page. I'll put your circling globe, moving gif and all, directly under the FSJ decal that links to FSJ-feats.html. If you can do it tonight I'll even be able to set it up later tonight or tomorrow... john ******************************************************** john-at- http://www. ORC-FSJ = http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/jeep/fsj Snohomish, WA USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold JEEPS:(Wagoneer Limited 81 SJ & 88 xj)and Cherokee 77 SJ no Jesus = no peace <-> know Jesus = know peace **********************************************************[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 20:02:34 +0000 From: "john meister" <john-at-> Subject: Re: TIMEX for sale? :-) > only problem is that it only lists "trade-in" value. Personally, I'd > have a real problem if someone tried to buy Timex for only $1025. Yeah, > right.. <grin> Although I most certainly would jump with both feet on a $1000 > truck like Timex! <grin> DOC, I'll give you $1,025 AND a 78 J20 for her... :-) so much for "blue book" prices... That's almost as hard as answering email about the value... It's not easy... Hey, will ya meet me 1/2 way to do the swap? :-) Say Chicago? <grin> john ******************************************************** john-at- http://www. ORC-FSJ = http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/jeep/fsj Snohomish, WA USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold JEEPS:(Wagoneer Limited 81 SJ & 88 xj)and Cherokee 77 SJ no Jesus = no peace <-> know Jesus = know peace **********************************************************[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 20:08:39 +0000 From: "john meister" <john-at-> Subject: 84 Wag Start low and work up. Depending on how it looks, any rust, etc. I'd say start at $1,000 and see what his reaction is. If he's laughing wait for him to stop before increasing the price. If he gets quiet, let him stew on it. If it's straight and was running, after 7 years all the seals will have sprung leaks and dried out.. The inside of that engine may be rusted, the fuel turned to varnish, etc. It'll be a project, but if it's whole, it should be worth that much. If it looks like it might be rough and the interior bad, start at $500, OR BETTER YET, ask him what he'd like to get out of it. He might suprise you with a $200 bid... YOU NEVER KNOW. Don't say anything, let him make the first move. You don't know where he'll be at, if he's thinking of cutting the top off he's in the $30 value for scrap metal... Keep us posted... This is kind of fun... BTW, where are you? Must be cold country if you get freezing weather, john ******************************************************** john-at- http://www. ORC-FSJ = http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/jeep/fsj Snohomish, WA USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold JEEPS:(Wagoneer Limited 81 SJ & 88 xj)and Cherokee 77 SJ no Jesus = no peace <-> know Jesus = know peace **********************************************************[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 22:24:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Moake Brian <iw67-at-jove.acs.unt.edu> Subject: Re: NP205 On Wed, 30 Apr 1997 bks-at-co.intel.com wrote: > > Moake Brian wrote: > > > Does it connect like the stock transfer case? (levers rather than stick) > Okay, I have lost track of which transfer case Moake has, but the NP205 is > similar to the D20 in its shift mechanism. It has two shift rods that stick > out of the front of the case. Shifting is accomplished by moving the rods > in and out. One rod controlls 4WD/2WD. The other controls HI/N/LO. You need > some sort of external linkage and mounting for shifting the t-case. My stock case was a Selec-trac, like NP231 or something. I have a lever on the bottom of the dash (2wd-4wd) and I have a lever on the floor under the driver's seat (hi-lo)[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 23:21:43 -0400 From: "Steven A. Kaiser" <Steven_Kaiser-at-compuserve.com> Subject: Taller tires?? Hello all! I am a new subscriber to the list and have enjoyed reading many of your messages. I drive a '76 Cherokee and would like to run larger tires. Right now I have 235's but would like to run 31x10.5's. Does anyone know if they will fit without mods? My cherokee is not the Chief model so I dont have the extra space under the fenders. Any imput is greatly appreciated. Steve[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 20:30:52 -0700 From: Tom Anhalt <tanhalt-at-earthlink.net> Subject: Re: FSJ engineering john meister wrote: > > Subject: Full-SizeJeep engineering > > There are three engineers in a Full-Size Jeep, an electrical > engineer, a chemical engineer, and a Microsoft engineer. Suddenly > the FSJ just stops by the side of the road, and the three engineers > look at each other wondering what could be wrong. > > The electrical engineer suggests stripping down the electronics of > the FSJ and trying to trace where a fault might have occurred. > It's been my experience that whenever there's a problem, the electrical engineers thinks it's a mechanical problem, and the mechanical engineers think it's an electrical problem!!! > The chemical engineer, not knowing much about FSJ's suggests that > maybe the fuel is becoming emulsified and getting blocked somewhere. > > Then, the Microsoft engineer, not knowing much about anything, comes > up with a suggestion. "Why don't we close all the windows, get > out, get back in, open the windows again, and maybe it'll work!?" > Ahh...Microsquash's version of fixing something by the "Toaster Method". You know...if it doesn't work, take it apart, put it back together, and then it works fine. Tom Anhalt '81 Cherokee Laredo[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 22:50:44 -0500 (CDT) From: chrissy saltsgaver <chrissys-at-midwest.net> Subject: Multiple ramblings Just back from Indiana business trip. The list was down while I was gone & it took a marathon setting to get thru them. BTW, Indy Joe, I like the way they've straightened up the curves on I70 when passing thru the city. Much better now. I only saw one fsj, a late model but rusty GW in Richmond, In. I didn't stop to check it out as they had it polished up for sale & I'm sure it wasn't worth whatever they were asking. At the risk of being behind on comments re: recent topics, I'll spew out the following: Alisa: Great going on the wagoneer searching. From what you've learned about consumer skills, you'll never pay retail again :). Regarding the Ellen show, as an engineer, I'm immune to commercial influence (I don't own anything with a Nike logo). I'm also a "live & let live" child of the sixties. As such, I think the sponsors who pulled out just added fuel to the media fire. About those regional chapters, I thought the states would be divided into the following universally accepted regions: Rust Belt, Corn Belt, Bible Belt, Cactus Belt, & maybe Grunge Belt :) Regarding GM engine swaps: All GM V8s use the same bell housing dowel pin locations, as well as 4 of the 6 bolt locations (the upper 2 are different on the chevy only, the same on the rest). I have used non chevy trannys (buick, pontiac, cadillac) with chevy engines in the past with good results (altho, they were not off road applications). That's all I can think of for the momemt, I'll have to go back to the list to see what else is up with everyone. Mike Saltsgaver.[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 21:04:23 -0700 From: "Robert Close" <rclose-at-humboldt1.com> Subject: Re: 66' Wagoneer What would be a good manual to get for the wagoneer? I saw a few advertised in JC Whitney's. Any suggestions?[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 23:42:44 -0500 (CDT) From: chrissy saltsgaver <chrissys-at-midwest.net> Subject: fsj chasing Studebakers Leaving tomorrow night to go back to Hoosier land to the home of Studebaker, South Bend, In. Time again for our annual swap meet held in one of the old original factory buildings (read really neat!). Got the wagoneer all ready (took the back seat out for maximum parts hauling & got the back window running again - must be the switch, wasn't able to find a bad ground). Can't wait to start pawing thru all that NOS stuff. I wish there was a Jeep meet like this close to the Midwest. Indy Joe: If there's anything you need from my '79 parts truck, let me know before 6pm tomorrow (thursday) & I'll bring it by. I'll be passing thru Indy approx. 10pm tomorrow & coming back thru approx. 7pm on Saturday. I'll also try to recruit some new members. YOu'd be surprised by how many fsj's are in the parking lots of Studebaker swapmeets. A lot of former STudie drivers converted to AMC when Indiana's finest went out of business. There's also a big jeep parts place near S. Bend I'll try to check out. I've been told the guy has tons of new & used jeep stuff. Don't remember the name thou. Mike Saltsgaver.[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 21:51:31 -0700 From: Joe Schaefer <joes-at-olympus.net> Subject: Re: 66' Wagoneer At 21:04 30-04-97 -0700, you wrote: > > >What would be a good manual to get for the wagoneer? I saw a few >advertised in JC Whitney's. Any suggestions? > Just MHO but get the 'factory' manual. Check with Brian's 4wd Parts. Brians email is willysgp-at-aol.com Regards, -jj[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 23:52:51 -0500 (CDT) From: chrissy saltsgaver <chrissys-at-midwest.net> Subject: Twister revisted One more nagging detail I caught while in the hotel room in Indy the other night. As much as I'm travelling, I'll see the whole film sooner or later (we don't have HBO at home :) In the first scenes with the actors driving the J-truck, you'll notice the steering wheel is an "unwrapped" rim style. In the scenes in the field where the driving gets hairy, the wheel is the leather wrapped style (they are both black). Mike Saltsgaver.[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 00:00:13 -0500 (CDT) From: chrissy saltsgaver <chrissys-at-midwest.net> Subject: vacuum lines When I put the '84 360 into the '83 Laredo J10 the other day, I stripped all of the plumbing from the engine. The only vacuum lines left are for the distributor & heater controls. Here in Cornfield county Illinois, we can still get away with it. I've got some of those bleed down discs (which are also back fire protection) in a box. I'll try to record the colors if anyone needs any. Mike Saltsgaver.[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 01:50:05 -0700 (PDT) From: ck1-at-pacbell.net Subject: Re: CA/NV FSJers Just curious, but CA/AZ/NV are not really in the "Pacific Northwest". Is there a Region to cover those areas ??? If not, is an RC needed ? On 1997-04-28 fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com said >Hey you can be the President of the Midwest chapter!!!! >Wow, a misplaced badger...... ... 1970 Jeep Wagoneer (1414C) V8-350 4WD "Pinecone" Net-Tamer V 1.08X - Test Drive[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 01:50:10 -0700 (PDT) From: ck1-at-pacbell.net Subject: Re: my name is John, I'm an internet addict... Hi John... We're glad you're here... ;) Net-Tamer V 1.08X - Test Drive[Back to Top]
Date: 1 May 1997 08:12:14 U From: "Brandt, Kirk" <kbrandt-at-atad.spaceapp.com> Subject: Commando for Sale from a local paper (Northern Virginia, just outside Washington DC): "Jeep Classic, 1973 Commando, 4 wd, 3-speed, 6 cylinder/258, new motor, other new parts. Runs great! $1700/obo. Must Sell" let me know if anyone wants me to run by and take a gander. Kirk Brandt 88 Grand Wagoneer[Back to Top]
Date: 1 May 1997 08:15:08 U From: "Brandt, Kirk" <kbrandt-at-atad.spaceapp.com> Subject: Hood Lining & Shocks OK, I just picked up my hood lining. What is the consensus for adhesive: Liquid nails? Do you have to take the hood off to put it on? Also, I am going to be putting on new shocks as one of mine is broken. This is for an 88 Grand Wagoneer that is my wife's daily driver and our vacation car 98% of the time. What are the recommended shocks? I'm considering RS5000s but I want to get the best ride possible and will consider something else. Kirk Brandt 88 Grand Wagoneer[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 09:08:51 -0400 (EDT) From: GypsyLive-at-aol.com Subject: Spring over Axle This is the route im think of taking to fit larger tires, and gain some articulation.. Are there anythings I should be aware of ( this will also be my daily driver) Whats a ballpark figure for the welding required to flip both axles? I plan to include longer shocks, brake lines, lowered bumpstops ( if necc) and possibly dropped pitman arm, any thing Im over looking? thanks Matt[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 07:00:05 -0700 From: Joe Schaefer <joes-at-olympus.net> Subject: Shocks At 08:15 01-05-97 U, you wrote: > >Also, I am going to be putting on new shocks as one of mine is broken. >What are the recommended shocks? I'm considering >RS5000s but I want to get the best ride possible and will consider something >else. > >Kirk Brandt >88 Grand Wagoneer Kirk, Don't know about the Wag since it's a lot heavier but R5000's on a CJ are REALLY STIFF, (Read:lousy riding)to the point where most people pull them off again. Regards, -jj[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 09:35:22 -0500 From: Jeff Herbst <JeffHerbst-at-electrosys.com> Subject: RE: Perry Masons GW November 14, 1962! > >>62..the wags did come out till 63!! > >[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 01 May 97 08:02:00 -0700 From: bks-at-co.intel.com Subject: Intro date of Jeep Wags, and 1962 movies I just checked John's jeep trivia page, and wagoneers were available to the public Nov. 14, 1962. So a wagoneers could have been in a 1962 movie... If they were fast! I remembered the Nov. 14th part, because thats my birthday! What a great day Nov. 14th is! -brad[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 01 May 97 08:38:47 -0700 From: bks-at-co.intel.com Subject: Re: Spring over Axle Matt wrote: > This is the route im think of taking to fit larger tires, and gain some > articulation.. > > Are there anythings I should be aware of ( this will also be my daily driver) > > Whats a ballpark figure for the welding required to flip both axles? The back are already spring over! So you need to either use blocks, springs with more lift, or change the rear spring mounts. Spring over in the front will probaby give you more than 4" of lift, so it would probably be best to stay away from lift blocks. -brad S.[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 08:46:06 -0700
From: Mike_Ahlmann-at-infinity.com
Subject: Add-a-Leaf and Air Springs
I've had my rear add-a-leaves in for a little over 2 years and have
been very pleased with the results. I don't do any rough off-road driving.
In fact, I think my only off-roading is on boat launching ramps. My '87
had a slight driver's side rear droop when I got it with 3,300 miles on it.
Through the years, and as my trailers got heavier, the droop got worse.
When I finally got around to measuring it, the difference was about 1.25".
The add-a-leaf kit I got from my local 4X4 store was from a major spring
manufacturer whose name I recognized at the time but don't remember. Some
of the guys on the FSJ list have recommended getting the longest add-a-leaf
springs you can. The leaves in this kit were almost as long as the top
stock leaf and brought the side to side ride height to within .5". I added
a .5" spacer to the spring perch and the ride height has been perfect ever
since. I think the ride quality has improved also because the springs are
operating in the middle of their range instead of nearly bottomed out. Net
result is a very slight rake, which looks the same as the pictures in the
Jeep sales brochure, so I think it's very close to stock original.
Since the Jeep springs are actually kind of soft, towing heavy loads
causes a lot of rear end droop. I just solved that problem by installing a
set of Air-Lift helper springs. These are highly recommended if you do any
heavy hauling or towing. There are some wrinkles in the installation
though, and I'll be posting some info on this in the next week.
Mike Ahlmann
'87 Grand Wagoneer
jgunn -at- hou.varco.com
05/01/97 05:58 AM
OK, wrong Mike (or Ken or whoever...) How do you like the add-a-leaves?
That's the route I was thinking of taking since I don't go off-road
much and just want to compensate for the old springs, and maybe get a
little bigger tire under there too. Some guys on the list have said
that you can ruin your old springs with add-a-leaves, but I think that's
mainly if you go offroad and flex the suspension alot. Have you had
your add-a-leaves long?
I want to do basically the same to the '80 Wag that you have done to
yours, Edelbrock, etc. I just need to get with the guy and see if he'll
come down a little more on price and I guess I'll tow it home.
Jeff
[Back to Top]Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 10:59:40 -0500 From: "Jeff Gunn" <jgunn-at-hou.varco.com> Subject: Re: Tom/Zack/Digest/258 Build-up On Apr 30, 4:57pm, M_B_FEICK wrote: > Subject: Tom/Zack/Digest/258 Build-up > > things, but for now can you snail mail me a parts book picture of the early > grille set-up, the th400 (which isn't in the 74-80!!) section, and the early > >-- End of excerpt from M_B_FEICK <SNIPPAGE> Brad, I thought the same thing about the TH400, but it's in a different section. Look in the index under "HYDRAMATIC". It's in there.... Jeff BTW, I concur about the greatness of the shop manual and parts book!!![Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 97 21:57:00 PDT
From: "Jandrt, Rick" <rjandrt-at-msgate.litc.lockheed.com>
Subject: RE2: RC & Rocky Mtn Oysters
Doc replied:
>From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
>Subject: rick the rc-elect but won't admit it
>
>>THIRD, I will await the outcome of the voting before I will >>consider
accepting the position of RC of the Rocky Mountain >>Region.
>
> chicken. <grin>
who ME? Nnaaawwwww!!
>
>> And Rocky Mountain Oysters are not the same thing Doc.
>
> are you SURE about that? muhahahahahaha.
Wweelll, sometimes ya gotta big uns when ya drive on some of these
mountain clifts
Rick('83 CJ-7(chocolate moose) '91 GW??)
[Back to Top]Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 12:00:58 -0400 (EDT) From: GypsyLive-at-aol.com Subject: Re: Spring over Axle In a message dated 97-05-01 11:52:22 EDT, you write: > > The back are already spring over! So you need to either use blocks, springs > with more lift, or change the rear spring mounts. Spring over in the front > will probaby give you more than 4" of lift, so it would probably be best > to stay away from lift blocks. > > -brad S. > > yeah sorry, too early of a post for me!!! i meant the spring mount in the rear, I was planning to flip it down as Sune Collberg has done...[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 11:04:06 -0500 From: "Jeff Gunn" <jgunn-at-hou.varco.com> Subject: Re: FSJ engineering On Apr 30, 2:07pm, john meister wrote: > Subject: FSJ engineering > Subject: Full-SizeJeep engineering > > There are three engineers in a Full-Size Jeep, an electrical > engineer, a chemical engineer, and a Microsoft engineer. Suddenly > the FSJ just stops by the side of the road, and the three engineers > look at each other wondering what could be wrong. > > The electrical engineer suggests stripping down the electronics of > the FSJ and trying to trace where a fault might have occurred. > > The chemical engineer, not knowing much about FSJ's suggests that > maybe the fuel is becoming emulsified and getting blocked somewhere. > > Then, the Microsoft engineer, not knowing much about anything, comes > up with a suggestion. "Why don't we close all the windows, get > out, get back in, open the windows again, and maybe it'll work!?" > >-- End of excerpt from john meister And then a Mechanical Engineer came along and FIXED IT!! ;-) Jeff BSME[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 12:03:10 EST
From: "Sam Wallace" <wallace-at-riker.stjoe.udayton.edu>
Subject: Re: Midwest Chapter
Anyone interested
> in becoming a member of the most elite FSJ chaspter
> in the whole danged world?
>
Count me in!
> While we're at it we may as well decide just what
> area the Midwest constitutes. I'm thinking it should
> be "at least" these states; IA, IL, WI, OH, IN, KY,
> MN, MI, couple other possibilities would be MO & PA.
>
>>
Maybe Iowa? Do they have Jeeps there?
Sam Wallace
Dayton, OH
84 GW
[Back to Top]Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 11:18:04 -0500 From: "Jeff Gunn" <jgunn-at-hou.varco.com> Subject: Re: Spring over Axle On May 1, 8:08am, GypsyLive-at-aol.com wrote: > Subject: Spring over Axle > > Whats a ballpark figure for the welding required to flip both axles? > > I plan to include longer shocks, brake lines, lowered bumpstops ( if necc) > and possibly dropped pitman arm, any thing Im over looking? > > >-- End of excerpt from GypsyLive-at-aol.com Yeah, the rear axle is already spring over. Jeff[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 11:51:48 PST From: dr_kaiser-at-juno.com (Ryan S. Kyle) Subject: Re:Shocks >>I'm considering RS5000s but I want to get the best ride possible and will consider >>something else. Hey Kirk, I had RS5000's on my 89 XJ Cherokee and the ride was a little on the stiff side, but still very bearable. Ryan[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 01 May 97 10:23:58 PDT From: jaamize <jaamize-at-nwlink.com> Subject: Re: Intro date of Jeep Wags, and 1962 movies <I just checked John's jeep trivia page, and wagoneers were available to <the public Nov. 14, 1962. So a wagoneers could have been in a 1962 movi= e... <If they were fast! it is also possible that they got one a little early. the movie was totei= ng the newest in sporting equipment and think of the publicity it must have = caused for the wagoneer. back then it wasn't frowned upon to use brand = name items as a form of advertising in movies. Alisa[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 01 May 97 10:49:15 PDT From: jaamize <jaamize-at-nwlink.com> Subject: jeeps and "the great outdoors" since we have been on the subject of jeeps in media. has anyone seen the= movie the great out doors with john candy and dan ackriod. there are som= e classic jeep moments in that movie. bears jumpin on the hood and roof = and john candy crashes a boat with the GW as well Alisa[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 10:50:51 +0000 From: "john meister" <john-at-> Subject: Re: Cat & Muffler > John, > > We went down this road once before but, I forgot where you got the high > perf cat. I thought you said JC Witney but I don't see any cats for the FSJ > in the Catalog. Refresh my memory please, I have to replace my Cat > immediatly. The Wag's Cat is so restricted that performance is dangerously > degraded. It's amazing the effect they can have on a vehicle. Thanks & best > wishes to you and yours. > > Alfred J. Esposito > espos-at-compuserve.com > '89 Grand Wagoneer I just got the Cat yesterday. Looks very similar to the one I got from Summit Racing. $84.95 here's all the gunk you'd need to order: phone 1.312.431.6102 catalog 93JC, (code in blue box: PCAQ9) (sale is good till june 97 - the catalog was sent to me, so the code may call up my name, I'm sure they'll sell the stuff to you with no problems.) page 43. stock number: 73PE7678Y price (sale 15% off) 84.95 2.5" inlet, 2.5" outlet, 14" length single in single out... (they have other flavors, including dual in dual out and dual in single out... from 2 to 3 inches. This converter looks almost exactly like the universal cat that Summit mistakenly sent to me for my "bolt-in" 4.0L, this is a weld or clamp in style. Summit wanted $125 for the same part. Like I said, with Whitney you just have to know what you're buying, it's not easy, but it is easy to end up with junk. You just have to read the ads and think about it, and where they might be getting the parts from... ttyl, john ******************************************************** john-at- http://www. ORC-FSJ = http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/jeep/fsj Snohomish, WA USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold JEEPS:(Wagoneer Limited 81 SJ & 88 xj)and Cherokee 77 SJ no Jesus = no peace <-> know Jesus = know peace **********************************************************[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 10:57:12 +0000 From: "john meister" <john-at-> Subject: Re: Jeep > Halou : John I' for Argentina , have a Jeep Grand Wagoner 1969 4WD, > and I' nit motor engine, V8 or V6 Diesel Turbo, if you know where is > the site. Sorry for my English. I am grateful for yours help and > cooperation. > Jorge Fernandez Cronenbold > Email:jfcronen-at-waelder.com.ar > I'm not sure where you might go for an engine, or how it would be shipped to you. But you could try Olympic 4x4 here in Snohomish, Washington USA. Their toll free number may not work outside the states, so I'll give you their regular phone number as well. toll free: 1-800-752-9979 regular phone: 1-360-568-7728 ask for Dana Swanson, let him know that John Meister from Meister Distribution and Services gave you his number. They may have someone in the shop that speaks Spanish, I don't know. What motor do you have now? A rebuild kit might be easier to ship. john meister ******************************************************** john-at- http://www. ORC-FSJ = http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/jeep/fsj Snohomish, WA USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold JEEPS:(Wagoneer Limited 81 SJ & 88 xj)and Cherokee 77 SJ no Jesus = no peace <-> know Jesus = know peace **********************************************************[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 01 May 97 13:57:47 EDT From: rdmbfe-at-micro.lucent.com (M_B_FEICK) Subject: Re: D20 swap >How far are you from SC??? >>>>> SE Pa. 60 mi outside of Philthydelphia. >>I also >>have a Dual lever d20 from a scout. >>>>> The plot thickens >100.00 for it to....Its worth more to those ole Scout people but I look after the FSJ peepl first!! >>>> (collective blush) Are you in a hurry to sell it? I'm in a better position to buy it JUN 1st after I get back from honeymoon. I also have my buddy looking out for a 205. He says no problem, but I'm not waiting and letting the twin stick go if it looks grim up here. He just put a 455/th400/205 combo in a Suburban and set up the a/c while at it! What condition is it in? (Will I be buying a rebuild kit in order to use it.) Do you know if it the shift forks are sold by over and under size to get the correct clearances in those things? The explodo-pictures look very simple to rebuild... >Got a 205 lying around? AHHHhhhhhhhh YEP!!!From a ford to....Its not goin anywhere soon though...I am putting it in my 80 J10 so I can haul my 79 J10 to the mtns. >>>> Won't fly in my QT axled truck anyway. Bottom line here is if you can wait a couple of weeks, consider it gone. If you can't I will scramble to try to get the scratch together. However if you can wait, with my wedding it's tight now. Even if I wind up with a 205, a D20 can't hurt to have lying around. I then really have my options on what year FSJ I'm gonna build my wife. Definitely has to be 258 and th400, and if part time I will use the milemarker kit for fulltime-like capability. (there is alot of mixed driving here in the winter) Lessee I'l have a 360, 258, coupla QTs, coupla Jeep th400 carcasses, a D20... That should about cover it. Wanna trade some stuff for a 360? 4bbl, new block... Brad Feick[Back to Top]
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