Date: Fri, 02 May 97 09:20:00 -0700 From: bks-at-co.intel.com Subject: Re: Optima source? Joe wrote: > Anyone in the PNW area know of a reasonable source for Optima's. I'll be > getting two, so cost/shipping is a factor. > TIA > > Regards, > -jj > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Joe Schaefer > Nordland, WA USA > mailto:joes-at-olympus.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Do you have any G.I.Joe's retail outlets up there? Here in Portland they had them for $99 a year ago. I heard that Optima upped their price since then, but I haven't checked G.I.Goe's again. -brad[Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 10:01:40 -0700
From: Mike_Ahlmann-at-infinity.com
Subject: Leaking Intake Manifolds
After screwing this up a few times, I have developed a theory about
this. I think EITHER the rubber end seals OR the RTV work OK, but not the
two together. I think the uncured RTV acts as a lubricant to help the end
seals slide out of place. My non-leaking installations were RTV-only.
-Mike A.
JeffHerbst -at- electrosys.com
05/02/97 08:47 AM
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>>>>>>
>>So you did use the rubber front and rear gaskets? A couple guys said
>>(to me anyway) to *not* use it, simply use rtv or some other sealer.
>>They claim the rubber will leak. (I have no idea)
Yes, I used the NEW rubber gaskets that was in the gasket set. The
Edelbrock instructions also said to use RTV, but I took a chance. No
leaks yet. I think that as long as you set the manifold down pretty
close to the correct spot and don't have to slide it around, the rubber
gaskets should work better. They are pretty thick and have groves to fit
around the block.
>>>>>>
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[Back to Top]Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 10:18:54 -0700 From: Dan Matheny <dmatheny-at-mutoh.com> Subject: RE: AZ FSJ'rs >Martin Schaefbauer wrote: > >> Any other AZ FSJ'rs out there? Let's talk about a local IFSJA chapter. > >I'm here in Tucson! Lived here for 13 years, moved to Oregon for 2, got sick > >Steve Whitney I'm here in Phoenix. I'm mostly a lurker, but I pitch in occasionally. Been here about 13 years, had my '77 J-20 about 10 years. It's down for some fairly major repairs at the moment. C Ya, Dan Matheny '77 J-20, 360, QT; '95 ZJ Laredo, 318, QT[Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 13:24:05 -0500 From: Jeff Herbst <JeffHerbst-at-electrosys.com> Subject: RE: Leaking Intake Manifolds >> After screwing this up a few times, I have developed a theory about >>this. I think EITHER the rubber end seals OR the RTV work OK, but not >the >>two together. I think the uncured RTV acts as a lubricant to help the end >>seals slide out of place. My non-leaking installations were RTV-only. Mike, You are probably right. I used ONLY the rubber seals, the block was VERY clean and the manifold was virgin. The combo of the rubber and the RTV would work against itself as you described. Also the RTV might Not adhere to the rubber creating a leak between them. Jeff Herbst 1982 Wagoneer LTD Texas > > > > > > >[Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 13:25:31 -0500 From: brewer-at-thaad.tecmas.com (John Brewer) Subject: Re: Leaking Intake Manifolds > After screwing this up a few times, I have developed a theory about >this. I think EITHER the rubber end seals OR the RTV work OK, but not the >two together. I think the uncured RTV acts as a lubricant to help the end >seals slide out of place. My non-leaking installations were RTV-only. > > -Mike A. Mike, From my Ford 302/289 days, you are absolutely correct. Of the two, the RTV only seems to work the best. JB "Any man who would trade liberty for security deserves neither." Benjamin Franklin[Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 13:28:52 -0500 From: Jeff Herbst <JeffHerbst-at-electrosys.com> Subject: Carb swap published I am pleased to see myself on the IFSJ web site. Doc did a great job of translating my muddled text into the web. One thing, I guess I did a poor job of proof reading because my Wagoneer is old but NOT that old! re:"This describes a 1892 Wagoneer ...." Sorry about that! Jeff Herbst 1982 Wagoneer LTD Texas[Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 11:30:16 -0700 From: Steve_Rosewarne-at-wink.com Subject: Re: Support Chrysler Pulling Slots From Ellen Degenerate Please respond to fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com To: fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com cc: (bcc: Steve Rosewarne) Subject: Re: Support Chrysler Pulling Slots From Ellen DeGeneres > > I'd expect a few folks to disagree with the decision. They have a right > > to express their views too. Thank God we live in a country where > > our freedoms are still intact. > > > > john Thank you, I will. I was brought up to stand up for what I believe in, so here goes. First of all, I would like to express my disappointment at seeing this type of post on the list. The use of terms like "degenerate" undoubtedly categorize it as a flame, and any connection it has to FSJs is spurious, at best. If the phone number were presented in an unbiased manner I wouldn't feel justified in a biased reply. I would also like to point out that using degenerate in place of DeGeneres is the type of name-calling that most people grow out of around third grade. It does nothing to support your position in a logical debate, and in fact it trivializes your argument and makes you appear trite. Jerry Falwell should concentrate more on being a Christian and less on politics. I fail to see how riding around in lear jets and limousines and generally making a spectacle of oneself benefits anyone, with the exception of Jerry and his wallet. Not a good role model for real Christians that are concerned about real issues such as violence, hunger, human rights, etc. Speaking of real Christians, I volunteer time at a local church (Glide Memorial in San Francisco) teaching computer skills to persons less fortunate than myself. Glide runs a soup kitchen, job programs, drug abuse programs, youth programs, runaway hotlines, delivers meals to elderly/incapacitated people, and so on. I merely volunteer a few hours a week, but many devote a majority of their free time assisting these programs, or have foregone lucrative careers (especially those that run the Computers & You program) in order to manage them and a very large number of these people are gay. Many volunteer at Glide because they were unwelcome at other Churches. I have witnessed their countless acts of selflessness, courage, devotion, kindness, sympathy, etc. in dealing with other people in need of aid. In fact, the programs would crumble without their assistance. I watch them save lives every day. Every time they get a teenage girl off the streets, a person off drugs, remove a gun from someone's hands, give someone job skills and a sense of self worth. They do it every day and exepect nothing in return. I grew up in Michigan and before I moved here I held beliefs not unlike many of you regarding gays and I disparaged them through jokes and remarks. My experience has caused me to change how I think and to be less ignorant in considering something I don't understand. I have come to know many gay people in San Francisco, some of them close friends, and despite what you see in the media, the vast majority of them lead decent, quiet, productive lives and are involved in committed, monogomous relationships. I cannot stand by and allow them to be reviled by people who, for whatever reason, just don't know any better. Gay people deserve better. They do not choose their lifestyle, in fact they are as God made them, and to target them makes about as much sense as targeting bald people, or people with brown hair. If Jerry Falwell and those like him want to insist that homosexuality is a sin, they should re-learn one of the basic tenets of Christianity, as taught by Jesus himself and "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." > > > > > John, > > > > > > You can still make a difference though- we need to > > > make sure that it is the supporters of their decision who are burning up > > > the circuits, not the... degenerate. Call today and pass this message > > > along to your conservative friends. I forwarded this to so many "degenerate" friends it would make your head spin. A LOT more than 140 I can tell you. > > > > > > JB > > > > > > > > > "Any man who would trade liberty for security deserves neither." > > > Benjamin Franklin > > Sounds to me like you're willing to trade other people's liberty for the security of your own lifestyle. Does that mean.......? I welcome any and all replies...privately. Let's keep politics off the list, myself included. Steve Rosewarne[Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 15:27:19 -0400 (EDT) From: GypsyLive-at-aol.com Subject: Re: Taller tires?? In a message dated 97-05-02 03:45:30 EDT, you write: > Steve, > I run 30x9.50x15 on my stock (no lift) '82 Wagoneer, I don't think that > mine would go any larger without a lift. The 30x9.50x15 seem to be a > perfect size, fill the wheel wells great. > > Jeff Herbst > 1982 Wagoneer Limited > >Texas > > My stock 1980 widetrack cherokee is riding on 265/75 r 15 with no rubbing under extreme off road flex, I might could even go a bit bigger.[Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 15:02:44 -0500 From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-mindspring.com> Subject: 79 Cherokee Service manual Here is a copy of the response I received from Turner 4x4 regarding service manuals. has anyone ordered one from them? If so, how was the quality? >>Hi, >>I am looking for a service manual for the 1979 Cherokee. >>Full size SJ. >>If you have it, how do I order? <snip> >I handle the Original Tech Manual reprints. These are basic copies of the >original manuals on 3 hole punch media. Info is at >http://www.thejeep.com/autobook.html > >Cost is $69.95 plus shipping. > >You can order by Phone, Email or Fax and we accept Most Major Credit cards. > >Regards >Dan > >--------------------------- >Dan Turner TURNER 4WD PARTS COMPANY >http://www.thejeep.com/ 1237 Strickland Rd.[Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 15:47:05 -0400
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
Subject: SW US RC
Gee, Karl, sounds like you want it...
>IPASSED IPASSED IPASSED IPASSED !!!! Ihope ;)>
>
>Karl Streich,
>Someone from Cali
>79 Cherokee
>83 Wag
>Lookin at a 77 RAM to tow with, Anyoue want to loan me a grand?
Yeah, ok, I reckon it's all urine, er, yours!
Congrats to the new Southwest RC... Karl Streich!
Now if I can just remember to write this one down.... <grin>
Now, what kind of coverage are we talking about here... say CA, NV, AZ?
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[Back to Top]Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 15:53:20 -0400
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
Subject: Kevins' QT
Kevin, did you give Wilson's a call?
>Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 10:05:17 -0400
>From: Kevin McConn <kmcconn-at-gte.net>
>Subject: Service Manual for '79
>
>Just a quick note, I'm new to the list and am really enjoying it. I have
>a '79 Cherokee (since Dec) and could use some help. I would like to find
>a service manual for reference. I have the Chilton's Jeep Manual and it
>leaves alot to be desired. The main problem right now is a loose TC
>chain (stock Quadra Trac). I'm having trouble locating one locally, any
>advice??
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[Back to Top]Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 15:17:38 -0500 From: brewer-at-thaad.tecmas.com (John Brewer) Subject: Re: Leaking Intake Manifolds > After screwing this up a few times, I have developed a theory about >this. I think EITHER the rubber end seals OR the RTV work OK, but not the >two together. I think the uncured RTV acts as a lubricant to help the end >seals slide out of place. My non-leaking installations were RTV-only. > > -Mike A. Mike, From my Ford 302/289 days, you are absolutely correct. Of the two, the RTV only seems to work the best. JB "Any man who would trade liberty for security deserves neither." Benjamin Franklin[Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 02 May 97 14:58:57 EDT From: rdmbfe-at-micro.lucent.com (M_B_FEICK) Subject: Re: Service Manual for '79 I got mine from Brian's 4wd, CT (the QT chain) as well as an original manual. Brad Feick[Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 2 May 97 15:27:01 CDT
From: hanstr-at-cimsys01.aud.alcatel.com (Tony Hanson)
Subject: Re: 79 Cherokee Service manual
Joe did say:
>Here is a copy of the response I received from Turner 4x4
>regarding service manuals. has anyone ordered one from
>them? If so, how was the quality?
I got a repro of the J-Series Vehicles for 35 bucks.
Some of the picture (photos) were kinda faded and
they had to insert a page that wasnt printed. I just
trimmed it down and taped it to the blank page where
it should have been. I havent noticed anything else
bad, and it has been extremely handy....
have a good w/e.....
Tony R. Hanson (hanstr-at-cimsys01.aud.alcatel.com)
IFSJA TX/OK Chapter RC
1964 Wagoneer Copeville, Texas
[Back to Top]Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 13:29:48 -0700 From: swhitney-at-presto.GIS.Pima.GOV. (Steve Whitney) Subject: AZ FSJ'rs and Doc's business cards From what I've seen come across the list so far it looks like we have 3 active AZ FSJ'rs. Me (Steve Whitney) in Tucson, Martin Schaefbauer in Yuma and Dave Matheny in Phoenix. Hard to believe there's so few especially with all the FSJ's I see running around here in Tucson. Hey Doc, what ever happened to the business card idea? I could easily pass out 10 or so to FSJ's for which I know where they live. Could bloster the AZ member list and clog up the server even more! c-ya, Whit. Steve Whitney, '78 Wag Tucson, AZ swhitney-at-gis.pima.gov[Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 2 May 97 15:33:35 CDT
From: hanstr-at-cimsys01.aud.alcatel.com (Tony Hanson)
Subject: wheeler-dealer tactics
Anybody got a clue how to get somebody
like this off topdeadcenter when they
have something you want, but you dont
want to subsidize their next vacation???...
Moake Brian <iw67-at-jove.acs.unt.edu> did say:
>I even tried to get him to give me a price by telling him that I had
>several people interested from the FSJ list, but no $$$ from him.
>I don't know if he is afraid to ask too little or what. It seems to me
>that he would have found out it's value when I told him I was
interested
>(after all he is a dealer).
and, has anyone on the list had any dealings with:
Gary Sanders <gws-at-n8emr.nitetech.com>
later...
Tony R. Hanson (hanstr-at-cimsys01.aud.alcatel.com)
IFSJA TX/OK Chapter RC
1964 Wagoneer Copeville, Texas
[Back to Top]Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 14:02:08 +0000 From: "john meister" <john-at-> Subject: Re: Optima Sources > Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 08:10:03 -0700 > From: Joe Schaefer <joes-at-olympus.net> > Subject: Optima source? > > Anyone in the PNW area know of a reasonable source for Optima's. I'll be > getting two, so cost/shipping is a factor. > TIA > > Regards, > -jj > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Joe, I've bought one at Jim Startup's in Everett 353-6811 and at Palmer's 4x4. I've seen them elsewhere too... john ******************************************************** john-at- http://www. ORC-FSJ = http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/jeep/fsj Snohomish, WA USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold JEEPS:(Wagoneer Limited 81 SJ & 88 xj)and Cherokee 77 SJ no Jesus = no peace <-> know Jesus = know peace **********************************************************[Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 15:58:50 -0500 (CDT) From: Moake Brian <iw67-at-jove.acs.unt.edu> Subject: Re: AZ FSJ'rs and Doc's business cards On Fri, 2 May 1997, Steve Whitney wrote: > Hey Doc, what ever happened to the business card idea? I could easily pass out > 10 or so to FSJ's for which I know where they live. Could bloster the AZ > member list and clog up the server even more! You can make your own if you have WP Suite 6.0 (probably in MS Office, also). Just get some precut business card stock at your local office supply store.[Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 15:03:20 -0600 (MDT)
From: Brian Riggs <Brian.Riggs-at-genetics.utah.edu>
Subject: The life cycle of an e-mail list
I just found this and thought it was kind of amusing. I figure we just
moved from 4 to 5 in the last few weeks. Hopefully we'll go the 6b route
rather than the 6a way.
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THE NATURAL LIFE CYCLE OF MAILING LISTS
Every list seems to go through the same cycle:
1. Initial enthusiasm (people introduce themselves, and gush alot about
how wonderful it is to find kindred souls).
2. Evangelism (people moan about how few folks are posting to the list,
and brainstorm recruitment strategies).
3. Growth (more and more people join, more and more lengthy threads
develop, occasional off-topic threads pop up).
4. Community (lots of threads, some more relevant than others; lots of
information and advice is exchanged; experts help other experts as
well as less experienced colleagues; friendships develop; people tease
each other; newcomers are welcomed with generosity and patience;
everyone -- newbie and expert alike -- feels comfortable asking
questions, suggesting answers, and sharing opinions).
5. Discomfort with diversity (the number of messages increases
dramatically; not every thread is fascinating to every reader; people
start complaining about the signal-to-noise ratio; person 1 threatens
to quit if *other* people don't limit discussion to person 1's pet
topic; person 2 agrees with person 1; person 3 tells 1 & 2 to lighten
up; more bandwidth is wasted complaining about off-topic threads than
is used for the threads themselves; everyone gets annoyed).
6a. Smug complacency and stagnation (the purists flame everyone who asks
an 'old' question or responds with humor to a serious post; newbies
are rebuffed; traffic drops to a doze-producing level of a few minor
issues; all interesting discussions happen by private email and are
limited to a few participants; the purists spend lots of time
self-righteously congratulating each other on keeping off-topic
threads off the list).
OR
6b. Maturity (a few people quit in a huff; the rest of the participants
stay near stage 4, with stage 5 popping up briefly every few weeks;
many people wear out their second or third 'delete' key, but the list
lives contentedly ever after).
[Back to Top]Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 16:07:05 -0500 From: Susan Beck <DpBluSea-at-gnt.net> Subject: Re: Support Chrysler Pulling Slots From Ellen Degenerate <HTML><BODY> Steve- <BR>THANK YOU !!! You put into words what I wanted to- and did not find time to- next time I will make the time- <BR>I agree completely---Thank you for telling it like it REALLY is--- <BR>Susan <BR>(Born & raised in Marin Co., now live on the Gulf in Fl) </BODY> </HTML>[Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 16:10:18 -0500 From: "Jeff Gunn" <jgunn-at-hou.varco.com> Subject: Re: 79 Cherokee Service manual On May 2, 3:02pm, Joe Sego wrote: > Subject: 79 Cherokee Service manual > Here is a copy of the response I received from Turner 4x4 > regarding service manuals. has anyone ordered one from > them? If so, how was the quality? > > >I handle the Original Tech Manual reprints. These are basic copies of the > >original manuals on 3 hole punch media. Info is at > >http://www.thejeep.com/autobook.html > >-- End of excerpt from Joe Sego Oooooo, 3-hole sounds really good compared to binding....I have considered dismantling my original manual, punching it, and putting it in a nice, sturdy 3-ring binder like the parts manual. Jeff[Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 02 May 97 15:58:49 EDT From: rdmbfe-at-micro.lucent.com (M_B_FEICK) Subject: Re: Support Chrysler Pulling Slots From Ellen Degenerate Thank you, I will. I was brought up to stand up for what I believe in, so here goes. The use of terms like "degenerate" undoubtedly categorize it as a flame, most people grow out of around third grade. It does nothing to support your position in a logical debate, and in fact it trivializes your argument and makes you appear trite. >>>> This approach seems to work for Rush when there aren't any facts supporting his micro-agenda Jerry Falwell should concentrate more on being a Christian and less on politics. >>>> Actually he should concentrate on being one at all. My experience has caused me to change how I think and to be less ignorant >>> Now why would you want to go and do that fer? Isn't it better to prey on deep-seated fears and biases to emotionally run rough-shod over logic? Geez! Don't you know *ANYTHING?* Sounds to me like you're willing to trade other people's liberty for the security of your own lifestyle. Does that mean.......? >>>> Yes! Absolutely! It means that Jimmy Swaggart will continue to abhore and denounce prostitution so that he can have the best for himself!! Brad Feick[Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 14:24:19 -0700 From: Dan Matheny <dmatheny-at-mutoh.com> Subject: RE: AZ FSJ'rs and Doc's business cards >From what I've seen come across the list so far it looks like we have 3 active >AZ FSJ'rs. Me (Steve Whitney) in Tucson, Martin Schaefbauer in Yuma and >Dave Matheny in Phoenix. Hard to believe there's so few especially with all It's Dan Matheny, actually. >the FSJ's I see running around here in Tucson. <snip> >Steve Whitney, '78 Wag I was in Tucson last weekend and kept my eyes open for FSJ's. I expected to see more since there is such a great wrecking yard there. I only saw one old Wag :^( C Ya, Dan Matheny '77 J20, 360, QT; '95 ZJ Laredo, 318, QT[Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 16:25:56 -0500 From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-mindspring.com> Subject: Re: wheeler-dealer tactics At 03:33 PM 5/2/97 CDT, you wrote: >Anybody got a clue how to get somebody >like this off topdeadcenter when they >have something you want, but you dont >want to subsidize their next vacation???... > > Moake Brian <iw67-at-jove.acs.unt.edu> did say: > >>I even tried to get him to give me a price by telling him that I had >>several people interested from the FSJ list, but no $$$ from him. >>I don't know if he is afraid to ask too little or what. It seems to me >>that he would have found out it's value when I told him I was >interested >>(after all he is a dealer). > > >and, has anyone on the list had any dealings with: >Gary Sanders <gws-at-n8emr.nitetech.com> > > >later... > > Tony R. Hanson (hanstr-at-cimsys01.aud.alcatel.com) > IFSJA TX/OK Chapter RC > 1964 Wagoneer Copeville, Texas > > Well I'll admit it, I am confused? What is going on here? Pleaee elaborate. C'ya joe- >[Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 16:48:23 -0500 From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Support Chrysler Pulling Slots From Ellen Degenerate Brad & Steve said- >grade. It does nothing to support your position in a logical debate, and in >fact it trivializes your argument and makes you appear trite. >>>>> >This approach seems to work for Rush when there aren't any facts supporting >his micro-agenda Come on guys, enough of this....being an avid Rush fan since 1988 I will not take up the list space with a comment......lets back to to ahhh, how about Jeeps? Joe- -slipping into his Nomex fire suit.....[Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 14:49:48 -0700 From: swhitney-at-presto.GIS.Pima.GOV. (Steve Whitney) Subject: RE: AZ FSJ'rs and Doc's business cards > > >From what I've seen come across the list so far it looks like we have 3 > active > >AZ FSJ'rs. Me (Steve Whitney) in Tucson, Martin Schaefbauer in Yuma and > >Dave Matheny in Phoenix. Hard to believe there's so few especially > with all > > It's Dan Matheny, actually. > DOH! Sorry about that, brain is running on backup this late on Friday! > > >the FSJ's I see running around here in Tucson. > <snip> > >Steve Whitney, '78 Wag > > I was in Tucson last weekend and kept my eyes open for FSJ's. I > expected to see more since there is such a great wrecking yard there. I > only saw one old Wag :^( > Yeah, some days they out in force and other days you see nill, maybe they all break down at the same time down here. By great wrecking yard, I assume you're talking about Mission Auto Parts out by the base. Haven't had a chance to get out there yet, but I'm getting the itch! We've also got a great place called Willys Works that stocks tons of replacement parts, a little spendy, but they always have had what I've been looking for. c-ya, Whit. Steve Whitney, '78 Wag Tucson, AZ swhitney-at-gis.pima.gov[Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 16:58:43 -0500 (CDT) From: Moake Brian <iw67-at-jove.acs.unt.edu> Subject: Re: wheeler-dealer tactics On Fri, 2 May 1997, Joe Sego wrote: > At 03:33 PM 5/2/97 CDT, you wrote: > >Anybody got a clue how to get somebody > >like this off topdeadcenter when they > >have something you want, but you dont > >want to subsidize their next vacation???... > > Moake Brian <iw67-at-jove.acs.unt.edu> did say: > >>I even tried to get him to give me a price by telling him that I had > >>several people interested from the FSJ list, but no $$$ from him. > >>I don't know if he is afraid to ask too little or what. It seems to me > >>that he would have found out it's value when I told him I was > >interested > >>(after all he is a dealer). > Well I'll admit it, I am confused? What is going on here? > Pleaee elaborate. I found a man here in town with an 84 G Wag (identical to my 85) that is only worth being a parts wagon. and I am trying to buy it from him. He says he wants to sell it but won't give me a price even after I made an offer.[Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 17:18:34 -0500 From: "Sc0" <jjd-at-flex.net> Subject: Re: Optima Sources >I've bought one at Jim Startup's in Everett 353-6811 and at Palmer's >4x4. I've seen them elsewhere too... > >john >******************************************************** > john-at- http://www. > What are the advantages of a Gell-cell? These things have been used on boats for years and are now becoming popular on cars/4x4's. So why use them? I have a cousin in New York who uses gell batteries in a boat of his, They don't really last long because they develop stress cracks after awhile, (I don't know the brandname, and then again he does 30 knots in rough to choppy water).[Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 02 May 97 18:11:52 EDT From: rdmbfe-at-micro.lucent.com (M_B_FEICK) Subject: Re: More leak info. Probably some Union flunky doing a crummy job because he is unfirable, unpunishable, and un-competent. I apologize if this offends anybody but it *is* the case. I suppose I'll fix it since I give a damn about quality. >>>>>>> **AMEN!!* I am a supervisor in a union shop, and these dreamers think everybody makes this kind of money, and everything is the company's fault. It is really disgusting. Brad Feick[Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 16:50:52 -0700 From: Gordon McKenzie <gordmck-at-direct.ca> Subject: Re: Optima Sources Sc0 wrote: > > > > What are the advantages of a Gell-cell? > Turn em upside down and they don't leak. Others will leak if you get seriously off-camber.[Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 20:21:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Knapp <knappe-at-mcnet.marietta.edu> Subject: [No Subject] Would anyone know where i could get sheetmetal for my 83 cherokee widetrack? Trying to plan summer project. Looking for driver side rear quarter panel. any help would be appreciated. eek[Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 17:26:48 -0700
From: SuperKen <kenns-at-concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Not A CJ
bks-at-co.intel.com wrote:
>
> SuperKen,
>
> I was looking at entry 18 again tonight, and I'm impressed! I noticed your
> license plate! Its so cool, even my wife liked it!
>
> The little blurb doesn't say what you run for a transmission or t-case.
i run the th400/d20
>
> My family had a 68 when I was a teenager, but it wasn't a super. (I took my
> drivers test in it!) I didn't realize the woodgrain siding was available as
> far back as 67. What differences did the super have?
it dont have the wood grain that u see on the outside of the vurrent
Gw's
but its got the vnyl stuff on the inside!! the Super just had all the
optional stuff for those years in the 60's as standard equipment.
>
> -brad (thinkin he may need an older wagoneer...)
>
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Sincerely
kenneth e. wetherall If a Wagoneer can go where a
kenns-at-concentric.net CJ can go, then it's a
Super Wagoneer.
[Back to Top]Date: Fri, 02 May 97 19:28:25 EDT From: rdmbfe-at-micro.lucent.com (M_B_FEICK) Subject: Re: (No subject) Would anyone know where i could get sheetmetal for my 83 cherokee widetrack? Trying to plan summer project. Looking for driver side rear quarter panel. any help would be appreciated. eek >>>> EEk no more, Sir. All-truck Carlisle in Carlisle Pa. in June. If you can't find it there, or make the contacts to find it, you can't find it. Brad Feick[Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 17:42:12 -0700
From: SuperKen <kenns-at-concentric.net>
Subject: Re: (No subject)
jc whitney has got em, u got their cat??
Eric Knapp wrote:
>
> Would anyone know where i could get sheetmetal for my 83 cherokee
> widetrack? Trying to plan summer project. Looking for driver side rear
> quarter panel. any help would be appreciated. eek
>
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[Back to Top]Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 22:06:54 -0400 From: Kevin McConn <kmcconn-at-gte.net> Subject: Re: Kevins' QT No, I haven't tried Wilson's yet. Tomorrow shouldn't be as busy, so I will call then. Is the TC Chain replacement a tough job?? The Chilton's makes it sound kinda easy. Thanks again for the replies... Kevin[Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 22:09:22 -0400 From: Jack Jacques <ozwine-at-dnet.net> Subject: dead center Moak(?), As a peddler(very secure salesperson<g>), I can tell you that you have two choices. 1. The assumptive close e.g. "This is a great car[yes], $500 is about right[yes], you want me to tow it, right[yes], here's the check; the amounts right?[yes]. Thanks." This lets a reluctant seller to ease into the sale. It's called the assumptive close because you just "assume" yourself into the result you want. 2. The destructive close - do every thing that is reasonable. At the point where you really don't care anymore, rear up and say, "I've been nice and I've been reasonable...do you want to sell this piece of crap or not? I got $500 right here, s... or get off the pot." This is amazingly effective , but there are two caveats - be right and be ready to walk. I hope you get your desired result. Jack[Back to Top]
Date: 02 May 97 23:07:30 EDT From: "DOROTHY I. STREICH" <104346.766-at-CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: A lurker surfaces and stuff >> I have been lurking on the list now for a couple of days, and just want to say I'm 18 and I love jeeps. >> (Mombo snip) << So e-mail me if you want to trade or find one for sale. All the ones around here are beat. Thanks, Russ << Hello Russ, I wondered where in the country you are located (City and state). I'm 60 miles north of San Francisco in Napa and occasionally see a pickup for sale. Oh, I'm 18 too :>, from what you have said It sounds as if you are in new england. Karl Streich[Back to Top]
Date: 02 May 97 23:59:56 EDT From: "DOROTHY I. STREICH" <104346.766-at-CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: CA/NV FSJers ck1-at-pacbell.net wrote: > Just curious, but CA/AZ/NV are not really in the "Pacific Northwest". > Is there a Region to cover those areas ??? If not, is an RC needed ? > .. 1970 Jeep Wagoneer (1414C) V8-350 4WD "Pinecone" Bruce: There is a CA/NV chapter, I didn't think of including AZ. You are allready in the CA/NV log book, but I could include more south-western states if they need including :> Karl Streich[Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 22:28:56 +0000 From: "john meister" <john-at-> Subject: Old Blue - exhausted... ....did a couple of 0 to 60 runs. before: 16.05 seconds 9:20 am 5/2/97 after: 14.76 seconds 11:20 am 5/2/97 both runs made heading north on SR 9 at the bottom of the Snohomish River Valley, both with 3/4 tank of fuel... The second run was less about 20 lbs. what was the 20lbs???? That's almost an 8% increase!!!! The 20lbs was the catalytic converter that is being held hostage by the federal government for 2 weeks... Yes, when you have a converter replaced the EPA requires the muffler shop to hold it for two weeks so the EPA can determine if it WAS REALLY bad... Talk about asinine... ah, but we won't go there... Anyways, it was, pellets were falling out of it... Also, someone had a section of smaller pipe stuffed in the pipe in the front of it... Sheesh, talk about constipated... So, there's the numbers. Had Snohomish Airport Welding install my new JC Whitney catalog special hi-flow, hi-perf Catalytic Converter $84.95 and the Dynomax Super Turbo Muffler around $35 or so, both 2.5"... It doesn't sound loud. Has a nice mellow sound to it. I wish the little wagoneer wasn't so loud... We'll see about the mileage... If I can keep my foot outta the carb... john ******************************************************** john-at- http://www. ORC-FSJ = http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/jeep/fsj Snohomish, WA USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold JEEPS:(Wagoneer Limited 81 SJ & 88 xj)and Cherokee 77 SJ no Jesus = no peace <-> know Jesus = know peace **********************************************************[Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 02 May 97 22:42:04 PDT From: jaamize <jaamize-at-nwlink.com> Subject: Re: wheeler-dealer tactics perhaps you are seeming to eager and he is trying to make you nervous so = you will bid your self higher. its not a very smart way of negotiating but some do act that way. once he names a figure he has commi= ted himself when there is a possibility that you will pay more. to sum = up; he don't wanna leave no cash on the table. my advice? cool your heals tell him thats your offer and the next step = is his then leave him stew. he will then start to get nervous realizing = he has let money walk out the door which is another big no-no. if he real= ly wants to sell it he will contact you. good luck! Alisa[Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 22:49:41 +0000 From: "john meister" <john-at-> Subject: Old Blue stuttering... I noticed a slight shudder going up a mountain down in Eugene... it's happening more often... IT seems like the torque converter is acting up. Like it's not unlocking properly or something. Concerning the swap: did find out the High Performance computer retails for about $435, the factory stock one about $250. Also, got a lead from Mike at Performance Jeep about an A/C place down in Bellevue where I can have a serpentine pulley fitted to my existing York pump. Mike also figured out that I can use the pulley off of a Wrangler for my Saginaw Steering pump. The alternator I just installed, a wimpy 63 amp, could be used by just changing the pulley, and I think that's it in the complex and unusual... a/c, ps, alternator... am I fergettin' somethin'???? Maybe I'll add another alternator and a second battery... especially since the airbox will be on the driver's side... :-) (btw, Mike said your mount will be there about Wednesday Tom...:-) I will have to fabricate my own a/c brackets and p/s brackets though... Hey, it wouldn't be a cool swap if I didn't have to do some sort of mechanical engineering... I mean, like I can't just have all electrical type engineering things with the wiring harness and computer and all... :-) That is gonna be interesting... Trying to figure out what parts of the wiring harness I really need... I hope they were somewhat logical about it and kept major functions separate. I really don't care to use the xj taillight circuits or the map lights... I just want the core engine and computer stuff... :-) Well, gotta get up early, gonna take Old Blue up to see the Cherokee America herd off. I'm gonna go have breakfast with them and then come back home and work on Jeeps... It's been raining all week and that trail is wet during the DRY season... I've got too much stuff to fix to watch other people break more stuff... :-) It would be kinda fun to go... But first I need to get my rigs up to snuff... Oh, btw, I start the new job down in Issaquah Monday morning. Looks like my "mini-vacation" is over... Made some progress on projects, not as much as I should have though... I'll be working as a UNIX Systems Administrator, working with HP-UX. My second favorite flavor... Turns out their medical package covers 30 Chiropractor visits a year, hey, that's better than Boeing's plan, way cool... I'll be going in as early as I can, so my commute time each way should be less than 45 to an hour. It's only 28 miles, but our traffic ranks in the top ten of the worst in America... I'll try to get in before 7 am, maybe earlier... which means that I'll be home by 4:30 or so... except of course when the pager goes off and I have to dial in, or drive in... :-) ttyl, john ******************************************************** john-at- http://www. ORC-FSJ = http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/jeep/fsj Snohomish, WA USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold JEEPS:(Wagoneer Limited 81 SJ & 88 xj)and Cherokee 77 SJ no Jesus = no peace <-> know Jesus = know peace **********************************************************[Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 02 May 97 22:51:32 PDT From: jaamize <jaamize-at-nwlink.com> Subject: Re: Old Blue - exhausted... hi john were you by any chance at a restaurant today about 2:30 with ol = blue on the southwest side of the river by the bridge that leads out of = snohomish? cause I saw a jeep that looked like ol blue there when I was = on my way in to town. I would have stopped to see if it was you but I was= already 5 minutes late for an appointment. btw it wasn't d street that i was rear ended on it was 1st street. bbtw congrats on your new job!! ALisa[Back to Top]
Date: Sat, 03 May 1997 10:33:20 -0400
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
Subject: y'all AIN'T gonna believe this...
I guess I could have titled this one something else, like, say, "A Funny
Thing Happened...", or "I've REALLY Got to Start Carrying a Camera Around
With Me", or "John's Gonna Break Old Blue After he Reads This".
I was driving home from work this morning, when I spotted a semi in a
ditch on the side of the road. "Gee", I thought to myself, "I bet HE feels
like a dumbass" <grin>. So I turned around and checked it out, to see if
he needed a ride to a phone or something. So when I pulled up in front of
him and got out of the truck, I said to him, "Oops, eh?".
Well, he had actually parked it there on purpose the night before. Only
problem was, he didn't realize there was a drainage ditch there. He said
he was going to call his boss to send a wrecker, but then he looked at
Timex and said "hmm...". I recognized that look in his eyes and said,
"What the kronk, let's give it a shot". I almost didn't think to ask if he
was loaded. Well, actually, I didn't give a kronk, I mean, what a man does
on his own time is his own business <smile>. So I asked if his truck was
empty. It was. Weight? 43,000 and change. Moving van, 54' box,
Volvo/White/GMC twin screw with a condo sleeper and a 60 series GMC motor.
He really wasn't stuck bad, he was getting enough traction to rock it a
little bit, just those hiway tires weren't doing it in the sand and wet
grass. Didn't look like he was buried at all, just kinda sitting there
dead in the water, er, dirt. He would've come right out if we pull him
backwards, we decided. So, I dig the rescue kit out of the toolbox, you
know, strap and chain (I ain't tearing up my $50.00 strap for NOBODY!). We
walked around to the back of the trailer and then realized that there ain't
nothing to hook to on the back of a moving van trailer. So we took another
look around the truck, no ruts in front of the duals, steers were only a
couple of inches deep, but there was a small culvert right in front of him.
We looked at each other and thought how much easier this would have been
if he'd had a regular box, or at least a bumper on the box.
We had a hell of a time finding a pull point on the front of the rig, too!
All there were was a pair of receivers. We felt around, and looked
around, and after about five minutes of this he says, "Wait a second, let
me open the hood". So he tilts the nose, and sure enough, there's a, hell,
I can't think of what it's called now... pintle ring, that's it! It's
stuck in the passenger side receiver, backwards. Pull the pin, stick it in
from the front, stick the pin back in, and we're ready to go. I hand him
my handy-dandy folding shovel to dig out the fronts, hook up the chain and
strap (used both for the extra length, I was hoping to get enough length to
reach a driveway, knowing I have no 4wd and it would NEVER happen in the
dirt). It didn't reach, but I could put one side on the sidewalk.
Hooked up, he got in and fired his up. Start going, rock him a bit, left
rear breaks loose and flings dirt all over his truck. Re-position a little
bit, try it again. Start to get him a rockin, fling dirt again. Tried it
again, still no luck. So we give up.
I'm standing there next to his truck, we're shooting the breeze, and then
I say, "hmm, how bout we drop the box and pull the tractor out first?". He
says, "Great idea, except then how do I get the box out?" Hmm....
I say, "Hey, let me hook up again, and turn your steers to the left a wee
bit". He says "No way, it's gotta come out straight, it'll never happen".
I say, "Sir, it's a Jeep... we ain't gonna hurt it by trying, and we'll
never know for sure unless we try". This way I could get a better angle of
the dangle and get all four on pavement. You should have seen the look on
people's faces when we stopped traffic.
Ok, so we hook back up again. Sure enough, we couldn't pull him out, but
I did leave some really nifty looking black marks on the pavement...
<grin>. So I YANKED. Now, bear in mind, his truck weighed 43,000 lbs.
And I did NOT have either the chain or the strap doubled up.
Out comes the hi-lift jack. Now, it's good for 7,000 lbs, which is way
more than most people will ever need, and he's probably got way more than
that on the front axle, with the weight of the front axle itself and the
tires and whatever. But I figger maybe we can get enough load off the
steers to get them to roll over the culvert. He looks at me and says "Your
nuts, you'll trash your jack". I said, "True enough, and if I get you out,
is it worth it to buy me a new jack?"
So, we lift the nose about six inches, we stop traffic again ( he insisted
it had to come out straight, I said "just step on the gas and hold on).
Gee, I was feeling ballsy, eh? Started pulling (I knew if I yanked hard
I'd break something), it was actually wiggling side to side. I said, "what
the hell, I'm gonna try it, I'd probably just stop dead in my tracks before
anything breaks". So I backed up a ways, got her going, and sure as kronk
Timex yanked the nose of that semi right out of the ditch! Wasn't actually
all that simple. Had to YANK, and YANK, and YANK, it moved about a foot to
the left each time, but sure enough, got his steers out of the ditch. I
actually didn't even get airborne on the recoil! <laugh>.
Ok, so here we were, with his steers on level ground, but the drives were
still lacking traction. So I moved to the right, so I was now pulling the
tractor straight, and we tried it again, but no yanking. See, when I was
pulling him sideways I was maybe actually pulling, oh, say 10-15k of
weight, if that much, and it wasn't directly sideways, it was an angle.
But going straight it was the whole 43k. So I applied a steady pressure,
and that rig came outta there like kronk out of a goose!
Now, kids, before you decide you're gonna try this at home, let me relate
the following... better keep a spare set of motor mounts. And chain them.
Thoroughly. And plan on replacing both chain and motor mounts when done
anyway. When I got home and popped the hood to tighten up the chain on the
left side mount (it was obviously VERY loose when I got done), I found the
entire chain on top of the air cleaner. Good thing my mounts were trashed
anyway... <grin>.
It's a neat feeling to get a standing ovation... the motorists who had
stopped (and of course KNEW Timex couldn't do it) all got out of their
vehicles and CHEERED! I'm still blushing, I think. And of course Karen
(my lovely wife) thinks I'm full of it. Hell, if somebody told me this
story I wouldn't likely believe it, either!
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