Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 08:57:28 -0500 From: brewer-at-thaad.tecmas.com (John Brewer) Subject: Re: wheeler-dealer tactics >I found a man here in town with an 84 G Wag (identical to my 85) that is >only worth being a parts wagon. and I am trying to buy it from him. He >says he wants to sell it but won't give me a price even after I made an >offer. The only way to deal with this kind of person is to be one yourself. You do that like this: Never, never, NEVER enter into negotiations on a deal you are not ready, willing, and able to walk away from. Decide how much you will pay and decide before hand that if he won't meet your demands, and I mean reasonable demands, then you will walk. You won't have to tell him this, a seasoned wheeler-dealer will know the first minute you start to talk if you're hooked or not. If he senses you are, i.e. he has not yet reached your top dollar, then he will wisely get as much from you as possible. That is how a successful *retail* business man is successful. And why an unsuccessful *retail* businessman is not. Remember, only one thing is worth getting screwed over :) JB "Any man who would trade liberty for security deserves neither." Benjamin Franklin[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 09:07:07 -0500 From: brewer-at-thaad.tecmas.com (John Brewer) Subject: Re: y'all AIN'T gonna believe this... Doc. Cool! The Watch is a Breitling, not a very good name for a Jeep... and they cost more than a Jeep. No, I don't have one. JB "Any man who would trade liberty for security deserves neither." Benjamin Franklin[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 07:12:09 -0700 From: Dan Matheny <dmatheny-at-mutoh.com> Subject: RE: rc's > Hey, you CA/NV/AZ guys... have we decided on who's the RC for there yet? >I seem to recall somebody volunteering, but I'll be durned if I can >remember who it is. The reason I ask, is Bruce (ck1-at-pacbell.net) has >volunteered, but I seem to recall Karl volunteering last week, although I >didn't note it anywhere. As best I can tell, Karl is the CA/NV RC, but there is some doubt as to whether AZ is included. Anybody else? C Ya, Dan Matheny '77 J20, 360, QT; '95 ZJ Laredo, 318, QT[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 10:15:14 -0400 (EDT) From: TCOLLINS-at-aol.com Subject: Broken fan shroud For what its worth, the fan shroud on my '85 was broken at the top when I got it. Used a piece of metal framing stud I had laying around, pounded it flat so I had no sharp edges and attached it to the plastic that was left with self tapping screws. Made a major difference in cooling when parked and idling as mine will no longer try to overheat. Tom C[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 09:45:01 -0500 From: "Jeff Gunn" <jgunn-at-hou.varco.com> Subject: Re: good speed/economy fer me.. On May 3, 4:30pm, Sc0 wrote: > Subject: good speed/economy fer me.. > '72 J4000 > 5.9l AMC 360, 2bbl > 3 speed Hydramatic 400 > gears? > tires are 235/85 R16 > > What is the top, (best), speed to go without putting a strain on the > transmission, stall converter, (donut thing connected to the flywheel), > engine? > >-- End of excerpt from Sc0 The gears are possibly the biggest factor here, but I'd say that you probably don't want to go over 70 very often. Most trucks are geared for lowend torque and not high speed, and tend to have higher differential gearing. Jeff[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 09:49:59 -0500 From: "Jeff Gunn" <jgunn-at-hou.varco.com> Subject: Re: Low Range and other Q's On May 3, 8:50pm, Mike Hill wrote: > Subject: Low Range and other Q's > I'm new to this list and have a few questions. junkyard, but all they had were 3 > piece bumpers. You should check a junkyard that specializes in newer model cars and trucks. I think they started the one-piece thing on later year Wags, someone on here probably knows exactly what year. > 3)What is the thing in the engine that says "tach test"? It is next to the air > cleaner and has a wire going to the distributer. That is just to provide an electrical connection for the tachometer. If you are using a tach just clip the lead there. >-- End of excerpt from Mike Hill Jeff Gunn '78 Cherokee[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 10:07:27 -0500 From: "Jeff Gunn" <jgunn-at-hou.varco.com> Subject: Re: Owners manuals On May 4, 1:10am, chrissy saltsgaver wrote: > Subject: Owners manuals > While at the Studebaker swap meet, I found a vendor who owns a '78 J10 > Honcho. He also has FSJ owners manuals for the following years: '80, 81, > 82, 83, & '84. They sell for $8.00 each (I bought one for my new '83). > > > Let me know if anyones interested & I'll look up his number & address. > > Mike Saltsgaver. > > >-- End of excerpt from chrissy saltsgaver I would be interested in an '80 manual if I get the '80 Wagoneer (I'm trying!). did you say eight (8) dollars? Jeff[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 10:12:15 -0500 From: "Jeff Gunn" <jgunn-at-hou.varco.com> Subject: Re: Carb/manifold swap success!! On May 4, 7:10pm, Steven A. Kaiser wrote: > Subject: Carb/manifold swap success!! > Well today I was the day!! > > I swaped in an Edelbrock 1406 carb and EGR manifold for my '76 Cherokee's > 360. It went very smoothly and the entire job took less than 8 hrs > including final adjustments. A BIG thanks to Jeff for his excelent blow by > blow instructions. > > I am having one problem which has been ongoing for some time now. When the > engine is warm the fuel in the carburator boils and causes a flooding > situation if the engine is only off for 5 - 10 minutes making it hard to > start. I get a blus cloud on start up(over rich mix) then it runs fine. >-- End of excerpt from Steven A. Kaiser Do you have any kind of spacer or heat shield between the carb and the manifold? I put a thin phenolic spacer between my carb and manifold and it seemed to help alot. They are available at most speed shops. Jeff[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 08:25:22 -0700 From: Tom Anhalt <tanhalt-at-earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Owners manuals Irv S Lee wrote: > > I've been lurching for a few days now, I picked up a 83 JGW and need a > manual for it > I have to rebuild the motor, a 258, that has 230,000 miles on it. Any > info will be appreciated. I want to use it as a fishing vehicle. Should > I drop a V8 in it. I think It's just a bolt up, if I stay with amc 304/ 360. > > Thank's for the help Steve Lee > Irv.lee-at-juno.com > Hi Irv, Since most of us on the list here subscribe to the Tim Allen motto: "MORE POWER...grunt, grunt", the consensus would probably be to go for the V8. Of course, this is all a function of how much money and effort you want to put in. Of course, depending on where you live, the smog legalities may "help" you in your decision. If you are lucky enough to live where there is no emissions testing, then you can do a lot of things to make your life easier. Personally, I would suggest keeping the 258 and just rebuilding it with maybe a couple of minor mods. This is probably the simplest, most economical way to go. The 258 is a very capable low rpm engine and you'll get better gas mileage than the V8 to boot. Another guy on the list has just rebuilt his 258 and put in a different cam while he was at it. As soon as he gets done getting married, he might have a chance to install it in his truck and we can learn the results. Also, the AMC V8 swap isn't a direct bolt up. You'll need to get a different torque converter for your TF727 (assuming you have an automatic) and different engine mounting brackets. Send a message to John Meister (john-at-). He's in the process of removing the 360 from his FSJ and putting in a 4.0 liter I-6 engine and tranny. He can probably give you a little more insight on what is all involved. I've become a believer in modifying/rebuilding what you already have especially if what you already have is basically sound. Hey John, now that you replaced the catalytic converter on Old Blue and you've seen a dramatic performance improvement, are you still going to swap in the 6? With your 0-60 time dropping by 2 seconds (!) I would suggest doing some adjustments to your carb and seeing what kind of mileage your getting now (If you can keep your foot out of it, of course) Tom Anhalt '81 Cherokee Laredo[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 10:33:19 -0500 From: "Jeff Gunn" <jgunn-at-hou.varco.com> Subject: Re: Lift blocks on front Also, unless you have performed a spring-over-axle swap lift blocks would lower the front of your FSJ. The spring is under the axle from the factory in the front, SOA in the rear. Jeff[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 08:29:59 -0700 From: Joe Schaefer <joes-at-olympus.net> Subject: and other Q's At 09:49 05-05-97 -0500, you wrote: > >You should check a junkyard that specializes in newer model cars and >trucks. I think they started the one-piece thing on later year Wags, >someone on here probably knows exactly what year. > I think the Wags went to a one piece bumper (aluminum) in 79 when the headlights/grill changes came in. Regards, -jj[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 08:33:30 -0700 From: Joe Schaefer <joes-at-olympus.net> Subject: Re: Owners manuals > He also has FSJ owners manuals for the following years: '80, >81, >> 82, 83, & '84. They sell for $8.00 each (I bought one for my new >'83). >> >I would be interested in an '80 manual if I get the '80 Wagoneer (I'm >trying!). >did you say eight (8) dollars? > >Jeff > You're not confusing 'owners' manual with 'service' manual are ya Jeff :) Regards, -jj[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 11:12:56 -0500 From: "Jeff Gunn" <jgunn-at-hou.varco.com> Subject: Re: Owners manuals On May 5, 10:33am, Joe Schaefer wrote: > Subject: Re: Owners manuals > > >> > >I would be interested in an '80 manual if I get the '80 Wagoneer (I'm > >trying!). > >did you say eight (8) dollars? > > > >Jeff > > > > You're not confusing 'owners' manual with 'service' manual are ya Jeff :) > Regards, > -jj > End of excerpt from Joe Schaefer YIKES! Color me confused....yes, I was thinking "service". No wonder they were only $8. Never mind... Jeff[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 12:12:22 EDT From: yinadral-at-juno.com Subject: Re: Regional Coordinators Sounds like an inspired idea to me! On Wed, 30 Apr 1997 20:47:11 -0400 "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net> writes: > > What do y'all think of each state (or country, in the case of >our European >brethren) having a, say, "contact person" or something like that, >under the >RC? Might make things a little easier on the RCs as we get bigger, >also >give prospective members someone closer to them to contact. >Especially >regarding get-togethers, etc. This I think would be especially useful >in >the larger regions. Whadday'all think? > > | > | > | | > | ============= | > 0_| / \ |_o > |_|_____----+-----____|_| > |====|=====|=====|====| > ||____|_____|_____|____|| > \_____|___|DOC|___|_____/ > |\/\/|--------\_/--|\/\/| > ______|\/\/|_____________|\/\/|______ > > Home of the "Bottomless Transfer Case" > _____________________________________ > > email: fariello-at-inspace.net > http://www.inspace.net/~fariello/fsj > _____________________________________ > > > > >--------------------------------------------------- >To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the >command >"unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > > >[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 10:17:15 -0600 (MDT)
From: Brian Riggs <Brian.Riggs-at-genetics.utah.edu>
Subject: Manual Tranny FSJs
On Sun, 4 May 1997, Russ Wylie wrote:
> Only problem is, it's hard to find an Sj with a manual tranny. Any
> idea's why?
>
> Russ
Most Wagoneers and cherokees were QuadraTrac fulltime 4wd and had auto
trannys. Very few Wags and cheros were made with manual trannys. It's a
little easier to find j-pickups with sticks but alot of those had the QT &
autos too.
I've only found 2 cheros with sticks for sale, I bought the first one 6
years ago and just saw the other one 2 days ago. It has a 360, t18, and
d20. It also has a snowplow and runs good. They want $1000 OBO.
If I had any money I'd buy it in a heartbeat. Unfortunately I've already
bought another cherokee (new project) and just towed a J10 (only $200,
couldn't resist it) home yesterday. If I brought home another one I'd
probably get committed by my family. Who knows, maybe I'll call and offer
$500 for it and see what happens. =8)
Brian
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[Back to Top]Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 10:22:27 -0600 (MDT)
From: Brian Riggs <Brian.Riggs-at-genetics.utah.edu>
Subject: d60 front
On Sun, 4 May 1997, billy dunn wrote:
<<SNIP>>
> Now I have found a 60 front
> with 4.56s and Im thinking about buying it and doing a spring over.For
> 400.00 I cant beat a deal like that.
<<SNIP>>
> Thanks,
> Billy
> 79,80J10
Amen to that, If you don't buy it let me know. That's what i've been
looking for. It's even the right R&P ratio. At that price i'd be willing
to pay shipping from the east coast. I'd still be money ahead from what
I've found out here.
Brian
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|'79 Wide Trac Cherokee Chief S: AMC 360, T18, Dana20, Dana 44|
|front and rear with 4.56 gears & Lock-Rites, 35" BFG M/Ts, 4"|
|SkyJacker SoftRide Lift, Some rust, And lots of dents. =8) |
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[Back to Top]Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 00:00:22 -0500 From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Broken fan shroud At 10:15 AM 5/5/97 -0400, you wrote: >For what its worth, the fan shroud on my '85 was broken at the top when I got >it. Used a piece of metal framing stud I had laying around, pounded it flat >so I had no sharp edges and attached it to the plastic that was left with >self tapping screws. Made a major difference in cooling when parked and >idling as mine will no longer try to overheat. Tom C Nice work Tom, I did the same thing on my Cherokee except I used a piece of aluminum flashing. Covered it with silver satin racing tape and painted it all black. Hardly noticable. Joe- 79 Chief[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 12:13:43 -0500 From: Paul Boe <boe-at-arcpv.com> Subject: Tranny on the way out! Well, The 3-speed, standard transmition in my 74" cherokee started making noise over the weekend. I pulled the drain plug to check the fluid level and it was full. However, the fluid was not in good shape. It looked like charcoal, metal flake paint. I am no mechanic but I do know that this is not a good sign. I believe that the front bearing is starting to shell. Does anyone have any comments or suggestions? Should I go to a salvage and buy another tranny or should I have this one rebuilt? Which way is cheeper? I appreciate the advice! Paul Boe 74" Cherokee, (Daily driver) Central Oklahoma Texas - Oklahoma chapter[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 10:22:23 -0700 From: Joe Schaefer <joes-at-olympus.net> Subject: Non FSJ/Delete > > >Covered it with silver satin racing >tape and painted it all black. Hardly noticable. > >Joe- >79 Chief > Silver Satin Racing tape? Hee,hee,hee... Joe're in the construction field. Ever see it used on a home/commercial system? I wonder what % of the 'miles' of this stuff sold is actually used on "ducts"? gone... -jj[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 10:26:06 -0700 From: swhitney-at-presto.GIS.Pima.GOV. (Steve Whitney) Subject: Re: Kevins' QT > > Is the TC Chain replacement a tough job?? The Chilton's makes it sound > kinda easy. > Its a fairly tough job, epspecially if you leave the t-c installed and do it on you back like I did when I installed a part-time kit. The two sprockets with the chain weigh around 25 lbs which can feel more like 50 when supporting them on your chest and hoisting them up into the case. A new chain has no slack in it, and this makes it very trying to get the sprockets back into the case. Took me about 5 tries before I finally got the sprockets to slide in (that is, hoist the sprokets and chain up, try and get the sprockets lined up and into place, get tired, bring it back down, rest, try again) The key is patience! Keep wriggling the sprockets around to line up the teeth. Once they finally slide in, you'll be the happiest person in the world! c-ya, Whit. Steve Whitney, '78 Wag 401, 4bbl, TH400 w/ B&M Transpak, QT w/ MM part-time kit, 2" AALs, 31" BFG ATs Tucson, AZ swhitney-at-gis.pima.gov[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 13:38:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Chrisharon-at-aol.com Subject: Re: Gas tank removal. You should be able to grind the heads of the bolts off from inside the bed without any problems with fire/explosion.[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 10:45:34 -0700 From: swhitney-at-presto.GIS.Pima.GOV. (Steve Whitney) Subject: RE: rc's > > As best I can tell, Karl is the CA/NV RC, but there is some doubt as to > whether AZ is included. > > Anybody else? > > C Ya, > > Dan Matheny '77 J20, 360, QT; '95 ZJ Laredo, 318, QT > Seeing that we only have 3 active AZ members, it makes sense to me to be included in the CA/NV chapter. Steve Whitney, '78 Wag 401, 4bbl, TH400 w/ B&M Transpak, QT w/ MM part-time kit, 2" AALs, 31" BFG ATs Tucson, AZ swhitney-at-gis.pima.gov[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 13:06:53 -0500 From: "Dave Read"<DSREAD-at-hewitt.com> Subject: Re: Gas tank removal. Drain or siphon all gas out of the tank, then fill it with water. The water will displace the gas vapor. Then you can grind/drill-out/chisel-off/torch-off (your choice depending on what toys you have available) the bolt heads from inside the bed. Good luck Dave[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 01:16:20 -0500 From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Non FSJ/Delete At 10:22 AM 5/5/97 -0700, you wrote: >> >> >>Covered it with silver satin racing >>tape and painted it all black. Hardly noticable. >> >>Joe- >>79 Chief >> > >Silver Satin Racing tape? Hee,hee,hee... >Joe're in the construction field. Ever see it used on a home/commercial >system? >I wonder what % of the 'miles' of this stuff sold is actually used on "ducts"? > >gone... >-jj > probably less than 10% yes the HVAC guys use it all the time for ductwork etc in homes. mostly using the flexable insulated ductwork anymore. it requires the tape to seal it at the connections. C'ya Joe- hey, they even use it on the space shuttle! gosh, I am in heaven...found Rush on the net and am listening to him now, live viaa the computer!!! ooops, back to fsj's > > >--------------------------------------------------- >To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the command >"unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > > >[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 13:28:42 -0500 From: "Jeff Gunn" <jgunn-at-hou.varco.com> Subject: Re: Tranny on the way out! On May 5, 12:13pm, Paul Boe wrote: > Subject: Tranny on the way out! > Well, > > The 3-speed, standard transmition in my 74" cherokee started making > noise over the weekend. <SNIP> > that this is not a good sign. I believe that the front bearing is > starting to shell. Does anyone have any comments or suggestions? > Should I go to a salvage and buy another tranny or should I have this > one rebuilt? Which way is cheeper? > > I appreciate the advice! > > Paul Boe > >-- End of excerpt from Paul Boe It would probably be cheaper to buy one from a salvage yard, but not much cheaper. The other problem is finding one. Most FSJs seem to be automatics. And if you do find one, it could be in worse condition than yours. I would guess that you should probably ask around and find a reputable tranny shop and get an estimate on a repair before you do anything else. Jeff[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 15:03:20 -0400 From: John Esposito <espos-at-compuserve.com> Subject: Phil H-Vinyard (non FSJ) Phil, What is your e-mail address, I have a couple of questions about the vinyard. Alfred J. Esposito espos-at-compuserve.com '89 Grand Wagoneer[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 14:36:10 -0500 (CDT) From: Moake Brian <iw67-at-jove.acs.unt.edu> Subject: Re: Tranny questions On Sun, 4 May 1997, Gordon McKenzie wrote: > I blew up my tranny today. Was driving up a hill when she started > smoking. Fluid was pouring out the front of the tranny so now she's > going into the shop for repair. My question is, has anyone been able to > figure out how to put an overdrive tranny in place of a 727? I have an > 81 with the 360 and NP219 and if I'm going to have to spend money (which > I do) I'd like to upgrade but I'm not sure if it is possible at a > reasonable cost. If you are going back with a Chry tranny I'd go with the 9?? (900 series I don't remember the exact #) It is supposed to be a better tranny.[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 14:39:39 -0500 (CDT) From: Moake Brian <iw67-at-jove.acs.unt.edu> Subject: Re: Gas tank removal. On Sun, 4 May 1997, Sc0 wrote: > Can I grind the top of the bolts off from the bed, without a risk of fire > or Explosion??? There shouldn't be much risk of explosion but just to be sure I'd fill the tank up and drain it after you are done. Gasoline does not burn The fumes do... if the tank is full of gas there is no room for fumes.[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 15:09:28 -0500 (CDT) From: Moake Brian <iw67-at-jove.acs.unt.edu> Subject: Re: Regional Coordinators > On Wed, 30 Apr 1997 20:47:11 -0400 "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" > <fariello-at-inspace.net> writes: > > > > What do y'all think of each state (or country, in the case of > >our European > >brethren) having a, say, "contact person" or something like that, > >under the > >RC? Might make things a little easier on the RCs as we get bigger, > >also > >give prospective members someone closer to them to contact. > >Especially > >regarding get-togethers, etc. This I think would be especially useful > >in > >the larger regions. Whadday'all think? Sounds like a good idea 'cept Texas need about five contacts to have one near(within 300mi) every one.[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 13:08:28 -0700
From: SuperKen <kenns-at-concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Tranny questions
sure:
call AA at 1800 350 2223 get the GM th700r4 to amc engine
adaptor and flex plate. and then ask for the trany adaptor too.
Gordon McKenzie wrote:
>
> I blew up my tranny today. Was driving up a hill when she started
> smoking. Fluid was pouring out the front of the tranny so now she's
> going into the shop for repair. My question is, has anyone been able to
> figure out how to put an overdrive tranny in place of a 727? I have an
> 81 with the 360 and NP219 and if I'm going to have to spend money (which
> I do) I'd like to upgrade but I'm not sure if it is possible at a
> reasonable cost.
>
> Let me know if anyone has any ideas.
>
> This was not a good Sunday. Now I fell like I shoulda gone to work.
>
> Gord
>
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>
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Sincerely
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kenns-at-concentric.net CJ can go, then it's a
Super Wagoneer.
[Back to Top]Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 12:19:49 -0700 From: Jim Sterling <sterling-at-jetlink.net> Subject: Re: Members in CA!! At 01:32 AM 5/5/97 -0400, you wrote: >Gentlemen, > I would like to ask at least one of you a favor. Over the past 4 >years, since I have owned FSJ's, I have been in frequent contact with >people at Areo Fuel Tanks. I would really like to have an aux tank for >the truck, a 40 gal replacement for the chero and a 29 gal aux for the >chero. Of course the sticking point is price. They want $350 for the >40 gal replacement and $460 for the 29 gal. aux. I think this is >outrageous. > My request is this; Would one, or a couple of you call, or even stop >in, and talk to these people, and try and find out if we can get some >sort of club discount. You know, give them our staggering membership >count, tell them there's lots of us interested because we all drive gas >hogs, and ask if they could give maybe a one time rate to the whole >list. This is just an idea I cooked up. If one of you would like to try >and tackle this, I would appreciate it. Let me know how it goes. >Thanks in advance, > >Zack Heisey >'79 J-10 >'79 Cherokee Chief Wide Track > Zack, I will give them a call this week. I will keep you posted! Jim Sterling 79/83 FrankenJeep[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 15:19:09 -0500 (CDT) From: Moake Brian <iw67-at-jove.acs.unt.edu> Subject: Re: Tranny on the way out! On Mon, 5 May 1997, Paul Boe wrote: > The 3-speed, standard transmition in my 74" cherokee started making > noise over the weekend. I pulled the drain plug to check the fluid > level and it was full. However, the fluid was not in good shape. It > looked like charcoal, metal flake paint. I am no mechanic but I do know > that this is not a good sign. I believe that the front bearing is > starting to shell. Does anyone have any comments or suggestions? > Should I go to a salvage and buy another tranny or should I have this > one rebuilt? Which way is cheeper? That kinda depends on exactly what is wrong with the one you have and if the one at the salvage yard is any good. If most of the internal parts are still good it would probably be cheaper to rebuild. Likewise, if the tranny from salvage gives out soon after you put it in you have to rebuild anyway.[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 5 May 97 15:48:55 CDT
From: hanstr-at-cimsys01.aud.alcatel.com (Tony Hanson)
Subject: Re: Tranny on the way out!
Hey Paul,
How bad is the noise, and have you
ever changed the oil since you have
had it? Just dont take to AAMCO or
one of those type places, I have
never heard anything good about them.
Tony R. Hanson (hanstr-at-cimsys01.aud.alcatel.com)
IFSJA TX/OK Chapter RC
1964 Wagoneer Copeville, Texas
[Back to Top]Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 16:19:59 -0500 From: Paul Boe <boe-at-arcpv.com> Subject: Re: Tranny on the way out! Tony Hanson wrote: > > Hey Paul, > How bad is the noise, and have you > ever changed the oil since you have > had it? Just dont take to AAMCO or > one of those type places, I have > never heard anything good about them. > Tony R. Hanson (hanstr-at-cimsys01.aud.alcatel.com) > IFSJA TX/OK Chapter RC > 1964 Wagoneer Copeville, Texas > > --------------------------------------------------- Tony, The noise is just slightly noticible now. The synchronizer going into 3rd isn't working very well either, but its been like that for about 2 years. I have used and abused this old dog........what that means is that I have never changed the fluid. *Hangs head in disgrace* I guess I had better start saving now! What do you think? Paul Boe 74" Cherokee[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 16:32:31 -0500 From: Paul Boe <boe-at-arcpv.com> Subject: Re: Tranny on the way out! Jeff Gunn wrote: > > On May 5, 12:13pm, Paul Boe wrote: > > Subject: Tranny on the way out! > > Well, > > > > The 3-speed, standard transmition in my 74" cherokee started making > > noise over the weekend. > <SNIP> > > that this is not a good sign. I believe that the front bearing is > > starting to shell. Does anyone have any comments or suggestions? > > Should I go to a salvage and buy another tranny or should I have this > > one rebuilt? Which way is cheeper? > > > > I appreciate the advice! > > > > Paul Boe > > > >-- End of excerpt from Paul Boe > > It would probably be cheaper to buy one from a salvage yard, but not > much cheaper. The other problem is finding one. Most FSJs seem to be > automatics. And if you do find one, it could be in worse condition than > yours. I would guess that you should probably ask around and find a > reputable tranny shop and get an estimate on a repair before you do > anything else. > > Jeff > > --------------------------------------------------- Jeff, Thanks for the advice. I guess I agree with you. I will probably get some estimates from a few tranmition shops and go from there. Later Paul Boe[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 16:42:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Moake Brian <iw67-at-jove.acs.unt.edu> Subject: Re: wheeler-dealer tactics I just wanted to thank everyone for the helpful advise. I've decided to let him keep it, besides I found someone here that has what I need for a really good price.[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 17:06:45 -0500 From: "Jeff Gunn" <jgunn-at-hou.varco.com> Subject: Re: wheeler-dealer tactics On May 5, 4:42pm, Moake Brian wrote: > Subject: Re: wheeler-dealer tactics > I just wanted to thank everyone for the helpful advise. I've decided to > let him keep it, besides I found someone here that has what I need for > a really good price. > > >-- End of excerpt from Moake Brian Don't Tease! We need details! Jeff[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 17:13:07 -0500 From: dave <dgreenwe-at-computek.net> Subject: normal operating temp Took my 87 Wag on the road this last weekend and I noticed that when cruising at 70-75 on th highway with the A/C running that my temp was inching above the 220 degrees. I know we discussed before, was it ever decided what the normal operating temp is for a 360. I just got the motor rebuilt in August, I'd hate to have a melt down so soon. Thanks in advance[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 20:08:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Moake Brian <iw67-at-jove.acs.unt.edu> Subject: Re: wheeler-dealer tactics On Mon, 5 May 1997, Jeff Gunn wrote: > On May 5, 4:42pm, Moake Brian wrote: > > Subject: Re: wheeler-dealer tactics > > I just wanted to thank everyone for the helpful advise. I've decided > to > > let him keep it, besides I found someone here that has what I need for > > a really good price. > Don't Tease! We need details! Which details?[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 21:48:40 -0400 From: Jack Jacques <ozwine-at-dnet.net> Subject: [No Subject] Folks, I'll raise my hand for North Carolina Jack[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 21:48:52 -0400 From: Jack Jacques <ozwine-at-dnet.net> Subject: State Reps Folks, I'll raise my hand for North Carolina Jack[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 21:53:01 -0400 From: Jack Jacques <ozwine-at-dnet.net> Subject: Re: normal operating temp dave wrote: > the normal operating temp is for a 360. Dave, Where do you live? I had frost on my windshield this morning and I live 2 hr noth of Atlanta. Air conditioning?? My temp stays right at 200F on a rebuild about 6 mo old. Jack[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 05 May 97 21:31:53 EDT From: rdmbfe-at-micro.lucent.com (M_B_FEICK) Subject: Re: Aux tanks I had 2 tanks built for a boat (250 gal each)and the going rate was about $3/gal for steel and $10/gal for aluminum. >>>>>> That sounds great, but what would one use to attach the tank to the bed? Brad Feick[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 19:48:52 -0700 From: M & J <trapper-at-primenet.com> Subject: Gas mileage question I've got a 1970 SJ w/350 c.i. and a TH400. The tranny was overhauled last month with an overhaul kit from JEGS and it works fine. A transcat shift kit was installed at the time of the overhaul and it now makes "firmer" shifts. I kinda think that the shifts are happening about a couple hundred RPM's higher than before the shift kit was installed, but I really can't verify that. Anyways, this is just all background info for the real question, and that is . . . why am I only getting 10.5 - 11.0 MPG now when I was getting 12.5-14.0 prior to the tranny overhaul? The engine is tuned properly (methinks - 5 deg BTDC) and the air/fuel mix is good to go. The beast runs like a top, but I just find it hard to believe that the new tranny kit from JEGS has caused me to lose MPG, is this possible? What kind of MPG are you guys getting with the older FSJ's? Martin Schaefbauer, Yuma Arizona, '70 SJ 350 TH400 "Dusty"[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 10:06:55 -0500 From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Aux tanks At 09:31 PM 5/5/97 EDT, you wrote: > I had 2 tanks built for a boat (250 gal each)and >the going rate was about $3/gal for steel and $10/gal for aluminum. >>>>>>> >That sounds great, but what would one use to attach the tank to the bed? > >Brad Feick > I'd suggest Silver Sateen Racing Tape :-) C'ya[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 23:01:42 -0500 (CDT) From: chrissy saltsgaver <chrissys-at-midwest.net> Subject: Puffing smoke Steve, my GW does the same thing (after running a while, it takes several spins of the starter & a puff of smoke to restart). I've always attributed to a poor carburator & 168,000 miles. I don't think mine isn't a heat soak/boil over situation, altho the smoke does leave the impression of valve guide wear. If there a cure (which entails little effort that is :)) I'd like to know about it too. Mike Saltsgaver.[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 23:08:44 -0500 (CDT) From: chrissy saltsgaver <chrissys-at-midwest.net> Subject: stuck hood My '83 Laredo had a broken hood cable when I got it. My wife accidently closed the hood the other day & I was able to open it by inserting a long thin screwdriver between the grill & hood (with a rag to prevent scratching the grill), & pushing the tab which the cable is attached to. Someone else mentioned looking at the cable at the handle side. mine was also broken at this end. You can remove the 2 screws from the handle mount, then find the cable end & pull it with a pair of pliers. I had an extra cable set so it's fixed for now. Mike Saltsgaver.[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 23:28:53 -0500 (CDT) From: chrissy saltsgaver <chrissys-at-midwest.net> Subject: visit to indy joe's >windshield fogging. I've not tried anything. Don't know if there is a cure. I know the old car hobby has always dealt with it by replacement. The '77, '76, & '80 all have slight fogging. The '79 & '83 don't. I don't know why some do & some don't (excess sunlight, moisture?). >'66 Impala's. Billy, You've got some nice cars, sounds like. I work with a GM engineer who has a conv. & caprice with about the same options as yours. He's looking for the telescoping column to top off the restorations. Mike Saltsgaver.[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 22:05:51 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: swaps & Old Blue
> Irv S Lee wrote:
> I've become a believer in modifying/rebuilding what you already have
> especially if what you already have is basically sound. Hey John, now
> that you replaced the catalytic converter on Old Blue and you've seen a
> dramatic performance improvement, are you still going to swap in the 6?
> With your 0-60 time dropping by 2 seconds (!) I would suggest doing some
> adjustments to your carb and seeing what kind of mileage your getting
> now (If you can keep your foot out of it, of course)
> Tom Anhalt '81 Cherokee Laredo
You know I was thinking the same thing... However, the torque
converter appears to be going away... I may try dropping my axle
ratio though... I'm just wondering how long that torque converter
will hold... I'd like to drive Old Blue to the Men's Retreat at the
end of the month, but I'm not too cool on the idea of paying a 100
mile tow bill either...
It only seems to happen when I apply power at cruise in 3rd gear, I
think it's not unlocking properly... Any ideas on how long before it
don't go no more?
I'm still planning on the I-6 fuel injected setup... These 4.0L
motors are quite impressive. I can see why you guys are
six-aholoics.. :-)
later,
john
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Snohomish, WA USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold
JEEPS:(Wagoneer Limited 81 SJ & 88 xj)
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[Back to Top]Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 22:31:55 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: tranny troubles...
> -----------------------------
> Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 20:15:02 -0700
> From: Gordon McKenzie <gordmck-at-direct.ca>
> Subject: Tranny questions
>
> I blew up my tranny today. Was driving up a hill when she started
> smoking. Fluid was pouring out the front of the tranny so now she's
> going into the shop for repair. My question is, has anyone been able to
> figure out how to put an overdrive tranny in place of a 727? I have an
> 81 with the 360 and NP219 and if I'm going to have to spend money (which
> I do) I'd like to upgrade but I'm not sure if it is possible at a
> reasonable cost.
> Gord
I hear ya buddy... Old Blue is fixing to do the same thing... Going
up hill he'll shudder like crazy... My guess is it's the torque
converter on mine, but either way, he ain't long for this world.
The options aren't real good if you want to keep the 360 and the
NP219. Advance adapter will get you coming and going... You'd
need an AMC to chevy adapter for a 700r4 or an AMC 360 to AMC 4.0L
(???) adapter to the Aisin Warner 4spdat, AND then you'll need about
a $450 adapter to mate the 700r4 to the NP219. If you get the
AW4spd, then you only have to worry about the spline count and change
the tranny shaft OR change the gear in the NP219.
My plan is to procrastinate as long as humanly possible and still be
able to drive Old Blue, (see last posted question... :-)
I'll probably end up using the 4.0L and AW 4spd that's left over
after fixing the 88 xj. I'm looking at less than $500 for the
computer, NP219 change over and a few custom brackets, etc. to use my
accessories... and lots of technical labor on my part. It'll
probably take a month to do the mechanical part of the swap and
another month or so to make the accessories play along, and another
month or so to rewire the rig and get all the pieces playing
together.
Realistically, from the time I unbolt the hood until I close it
again, I'm probably looking at a good six months of down time, worse
if I start the project after the start of the raining season...
(FYI, rainy season is from September until July... (seriously....)
BTW, Gord, ANY tf727 internals can be put in your box for about $150
or so... Oh, there's a guy here that will rebuild it for $300. If
you pull it, you can get it done for less than $500. You could
also get an old TH400, but that would require an adapter to mate to
your NP219...
later,
john
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john-at- http://www.
ORC-FSJ = http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/jeep/fsj
Snohomish, WA USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold
JEEPS:(Wagoneer Limited 81 SJ & 88 xj)
no Jesus = no peace <-> know Jesus = know peace
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[Back to Top]Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 23:03:29 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: remember the wanderers?
http://www.off-road.com/~rick/wan01.html
The guy that used to write for Off-Road magazine is now writing for
Off-Road.com... He left the magazine... (I think... :-)
His first installment is in the URL above... enjoy.
later,
john
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john-at- http://www.
ORC-FSJ = http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/jeep/fsj
Snohomish, WA USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold
JEEPS:(Wagoneer Limited 81 SJ & 88 xj)
no Jesus = no peace <-> know Jesus = know peace
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