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Date:  Sat, 17 May 1997 23:28:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: Chrisharon-at-aol.com
Subject: Concave lifters, Buick 300's, Gas milage, exhaust leak, TH-400

   I've seen this happen once on a Buick motor that I had had rebuilt.  The
guy that did the head work didn't leave sufficient clearance between the
valve guide and the spring retainer.   So, at full valve lift, the valve
spring retainer was hitting the valve guide.  Presto, worn (concave) lifter,
and flattened out lobe on the cam.
   I heard someone mention the Buick 300.  I thought I was the only one who
had one of those motors!  Actually, I've got the one in the car, and I've got
a spare as well.
   For those of you who have the 350 Buick powered FSJ's, what kind of milage
are you getting, what shape is the motor in (tired, rebuilt, or ?), and what
have you done to the motor to get better milage, if anything?
   We didn't have any problems with exhaust in the cab on our vacation, even
while running with the tailgate down.  I don't know if I should credit this
to the new tailpipe that extends just over the differential and dumps
pointing down and back at about a 45 degree angle, or if it has to do with
the air deflector that I put on for the trip.
   Someone was talking about a Turbo-400, and said something about type F
fluid.  As far as I know, all the Turbo-400's use DEXTRON 2/MERCRON fluid,
which has been replaced by DEXTRON 3/MERCRON.  Anybody heard of a TH-400
using type F ATF?

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Date:  Sat, 17 May 1997 22:44:41 -0500 (CDT)
From: chrissy saltsgaver <chrissys-at-midwest.net>
Subject: Re: Tom's mounts...

At 11:45 AM 5/16/97 -0700, you wrote:
>chrissy saltsgaver wrote:
>
>
>> >
>> I'm pretty sure that somewhere in the garage I've got a set of engine
>> brackets from a '76 j10 that I parted out.  If I remember right, they're
>> cast iron (is this right? Anyway, I know I saved them).  If you need them,
>> I'll start the looking process (a project in itself, the garage is almost a
>> solid mass with only a small path running thru it:) ).
>> 
>> Mike Saltsgaver.
>> 
>
>That would be great and yes, they are cast.  If you have a complete set,
>John M. might need them (are they the same for the 4.2 and the 4.0?) 
>Please let me know if you can find them.
>
>Tom Anhalt


Since it was something that I personally didn't desperately need, I was able
to walk right to where the brackets were (now if I could just find those
blasted shocks that I know I put up somewhere:) ).
Let me know which one of you guys need them & the cost is 5 bucks + postage
for the pair.

Mike Saltsgaver.
 


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Date:  Sat, 17 May 1997 22:58:44 -0500 (CDT)
From: Moake Brian <iw67-at-jove.acs.unt.edu>
Subject: Jeeping tune...(long)

My wife heard this song on my CW Mccall CD and thought I should pass it
along. I guess I should state here that I do not condone this type of
behavior (not publicly anyway). Eventhough this is not a song about FSJ's
i like it anyway.

Four Wheel Drive
(Fries and Davis)

We were screaming through the vally where the Nation of Navato flows,
through the mud & crud & cornfields where the mari-ju-anna grows.
Cross the railroad tracks of Persia down the hills & up the dales.
Had a CJ-5 with a 4wd and a somkey on my tail.

Well he picked me up at exit 12 on the I-680 ramp.
I was doin' 67per when I rumbled through his trap.
He commenced to whirl his flashin' lights & made his siren wail.
I slipped on down to 4wd with a smokey on my tail.

Now I got racin' stripes & dual pipes & smokey's got a Ford.
Got a Mill with a 4-pot carb... You know.
But smokey's stroked and bored.
Well the chase was on but I had the edge with a rig that'll never fail.
I've got a CJ-5 with 4wd & a smokey on my tail... Yeah he was.

Well I dropped on down to granny low & made a hard right turn.
My old fat commando tires went slashing through the corn.
Well the tassles blew and the kernels flew & it looked like yellow hail.
Just cookin' alive in a 4wd with a smokey on my tail.

Well we went screamin' through the valley where the Nation of Navato flows.
Through mud & crud & cornfields where the mari-ju-anna grows.
Cross the railroad tracks of Persia up the hills & down the dales.
My CJ-5 in 4wd and a smokey on my tail.

(spoken)
   Lookout now here he comes
   Oh, we gonna get it on now.
   We gonna swim this here crik now smokey.
   Yard wide & a foot deep.
   Nation of Navato River they call it.
   Might have to winch out
   Don't do a wheely on that there gopher mound now smokey.
   Can you dig it smokey?
   Got 4 on the floor and 4 in the air on that one, didn't we?
   Goodness gracious, like to bust my shocks.

Well that jeep of mine made smokey whine his rig was made of lead.
He was mired in 14 feet of mud so he radioed ahead.
I pulled up on the blacktop, went crashing on through the rail.
Sakes alive I had 25 more smokies on my tail.

Now I got racin' stripes & dual pipes & smokey's got a Ford.
Got a Mill with a 4-pot carb... You know.
But smokey's stroked and bored.
Well the chase was on but I had the edge with a rig that'll never fail.
I've got a CJ-5 with 4wd sittin' out back of the jail.


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Date:  Sat, 17 May 1997 23:16:48 -0500 (CDT)
From: chrissy saltsgaver <chrissys-at-midwest.net>
Subject: Re: 70 Wag GloveBox door needed

At 07:43 PM 5/16/97 -0700, you wrote:
>   If anyone sees a center glovebox door for a 1970 Wagoneer 1414C
>   (any color will do), I'd appreciate a blast.  I contacted a co.
>   that someone mentioned here in the list a couple months ago and
>   heard back from them once shortly thereafter - nothing since.
>
>   I need a complete door (lock, key, et all) and I'll pay a reason-
>   able price (let's not get excessive :).  I also need an interior
>   rear-view mirror and mount for the same rig (the PO had one of
>   those 3' long multi-mirror dooma-flotchies, and I prefer the
>   smaller wide angle ones (ie "LaneChanger") that mount to the
>   stock size mirror).
>
Somewhere around here I think I've still got the glove box door from an '84
J10.  If it'll fit, let me know & I'll look for it (if I remember, it has
the locking latch, but no key).  It's nutmeg in color.

Mike Saltsgaver.


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Date:  Sat, 17 May 1997 23:33:00 -0500 (CDT)
From: Moake Brian <iw67-at-jove.acs.unt.edu>
Subject: Re: Jeeping tune...(long)

On Sat, 17 May 1997, Moake Brian wrote:
> My wife heard this song on my CW Mccall CD and thought I should pass it
> along. I guess I should state here that I do not condone this type of
> behavior (not publicly anyway). Eventhough this is not a song about FSJ's
> i like it anyway.
> Four Wheel Drive
> (Fries and Davis)

Just thought I'd add:
This song is where the Beastie Boys got the music for thier 80's rap song
"Girls".

I have another tune from this album I'll post tomorrow.


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Date:  Sat, 17 May 1997 23:35:42 -0500 (CDT)
From: Moake Brian <iw67-at-jove.acs.unt.edu>
Subject: Re: 70 Wag GloveBox door needed

On Sat, 17 May 1997, chrissy saltsgaver wrote:
> Somewhere around here I think I've still got the glove box door from an '84
> J10.  If it'll fit, let me know & I'll look for it (if I remember, it has
> the locking latch, but no key).  It's nutmeg in color.

The lock can be rekeyed rather easily by a locksmith... If you take it in
to the locksmith rather than have them come out, they should be reasonable
in price.


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Date:  Sun, 18 May 1997 01:04:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: Geoguytom-at-aol.com
Subject: The New England Chapter Now has a Webpage

Visit the new page at http://members.aol.com/neifsja/index.html

later,
Tom Pinto

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Date:  Sat, 17 May 1997 22:20:10 +0000
From: "William S. McBride" <wmmcb-at-televar.com>
Subject: Re: 70 Wag GloveBox door needed

Bruce-

When it gets light outside tommorrow, I'll look at my parts Wag and 
let you know if the glove box door is straight.

Bill McBride
68 J-100, 327,TH400,D20,3.31

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Date:  Sun, 18 May 1997 00:30:57 -0500
From: "Sc0" <jjd-at-flex.net>
Subject: Re: 70 Wag GloveBox door needed


> On Sat, 17 May 1997, chrissy saltsgaver wrote:
> > Somewhere around here I think I've still got the glove box door from an '84
> > J10.  If it'll fit, let me know & I'll look for it (if I remember, it has
> > the locking latch, but no key).  It's nutmeg in color.
> 
> The lock can be rekeyed rather easily by a locksmith... If you take it in
> to the locksmith rather than have them come out, they should be reasonable
> in price.

Or you can disassemble it and take out the locking wafers so that all you need
is a Screwdriver, or you can trick someone by using you old key (making them
think that the lock actually works.)

Who needs a lock on their glove compartment anyways?

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Date:  Sat, 17 May 1997 22:41:00 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: lift delayed... Old Blue's gonna get 9000's

Anyways...  looks like I'm going to delay lifting the little wagoneer
until June... waiting for the ARB lift kit to arrive...  anybody know
what OME shocks are?    I've got the Rough Country 3 inch kit also... 
 WIll probably install that on the gray wagoneer and compare the two. 
I'll be writing up the ARB - Old Man Emu kit.   So I need to take
pictures of it and make measurements, etc.    I may do the Rough
Country for comparison purposes.   Will also compare how lifting an XJ
is different than an SJ.  Since lots of the FSJ types have xj's for
commuting purposes, it might be interesting to examine the How-to for
both.

I've got some shots of Old Blue when he was on the rack for the 
exhaust work...

Let's see if lifting an xj will make it as good as an SJ... :-)

Oh, looks like the parts store messed up.   The RS9000's I"ve got 
won't fit the xj...  But, it appears they will fit Old Blue... :-)   
since the little wagoneer is getting those other shocks, guess I 
could return 'em, or use 'em... :-)    Then I'll just buy two of the 
5000's for the front of the xj...  (guess there is a mistake in the 
rancho catalog...)

My carport is being to look like a 4x4 store...  Rims, brushguards, 
lights, shocks, lift kits, sheesh...  engines, transmissions...  

A guy bought my tow dolly today and asked if I was into Jeeps or 
something... :-)   as he stood in the middle of three wagoneers...

ttyl,
john

later,
john
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Date:  Sun, 18 May 1997 00:38:23 -0500
From: "Sc0" <jjd-at-flex.net>
Subject: Re: GloveBox

Has anyone made a different glovebox?  This is of course after you have modified
the factory one.
(what dimensions were they, or do you copy the "factory" measurements from the
old box, 
<I remember I had to bend mine to get it out.>)

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Date:  Sat, 17 May 1997 22:45:17 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: Mark's adventures...

> time) and hopefully come fall I'll put together a decent page for the
> 40th Anneversary of the FSJ Ouray get together. If some extra money finds
> me I will get an Air Locker for the rear. Come August I'll take my
> amazing rusty 81 Wagonner back to Boston. Since I don't have easy
> computer access in NM I'll be off the list until about august. 
> 
> Later
> 
> Mark Wallace
> 81 Wagoneer
> Boston MA 
> 

Have fun putting it back together.   See if you can spot hotels and 
campgrounds.   Figure out which trails would be good for the 20 to 200 
FSJ's that might show up.   Get maps, etc.   I'll scan in the details and 
post it so we'll have plenty of time to prepare for the 40th anniversary. 

Let's plan on posting it in on both ORC & IFSJA and as many personal pages 
as possible on November 14 of this year (since that's the anniversary 
date).  

We figured August was a good time, right?   Passes will be open, kids out 
of school for those with kids still in school...   I think both of my kids 
will be out.   I think my son graduates in 2001.   He's already talking 
about building up a rig... although he's slippin'...   He's talking about 
a CJ now, sheesh...    (You should have heard the tongue lashing I got 
from him when I suggested considering selling all our jeeps
 and getting an explorer...    whew... )

He even stooped so low as to say that I couldn't do that because I was the 
FSJ editor for ORC...   low blow... ouch...

Looks like the explodder thing isn't a good idea.  My little wag gets 
about the same mileage and is much better off-road and probably has more 
towing capability...

anyways, Mark, thanx for the insight on the explorer, thanx all for the 
comments...

looks like Old Blue and the little wag and me...

later,
john

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Date:  Sat, 17 May 1997 22:58:04 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: help with a decision...

Ok.   Here's the thinking.   I'm not sure that swapping in the 4.0L 
and 4spd tranny will gain me enough mileage to make it worth the 
hassle.   The 4spd isn't that strong, and the 4.0L will be working 
harder than in an xj.   That means my mileage won't be as good as in 
my little wag, which is only about 17 to 18 anyway.  So let's say 
it'll drop to 16 to 17, and maybe 19 to 20 on the road, yeah right...

Anyway, here's the idea I'd like some comments on:

1) replace the nearly departed torque converter:
     lockup, retails $217, reman - jeep dealer (I'll pay 20% less)
     lockup, reman some other source?
    NON-lockup?  what stall speed?

2) change the R&P to 3.73?  or 3.55?
     add ez-locker or ?  to rear (leave front open)
    used R&P about $85 an axle??   New $165??? or so ?
   labor, probably $300 to $350 for both ends, maybe a little
   less...

3)  get edlebrock performer manifold $150 or so...

4)  get a decent, mild, economical 4 v carb  - 
     any suggestions?   (est. $250 or so)

----------------
There's my thoughts, fix what I have, lower the gearing a bit,
and a 4 barrel carb.     

What might I expect for mileage?   Will I see an improvement with the 
4 barrel?   Would just changing the carb, or just changing the gear 
ratios be enough?

My carb sucks.  (pun intended)  If Old Blue sits more than a day or 
two he takes for ever to get started...   
-----------------------------

The 4.0L is a great motor, and so is the 258.   But I really don't 
have the time to be rewiring a rig and swapping engines.   I need to 
spend more time with my family, and what other time I have I should 
be focusing on computer stuff and web pages... :-)

So, I guess the plan at this point is to fix the little gray 
wagoneer, maybe lift it, lift the yellow one and continue fixing Old 
Blue...   I should be able to sell the engine and tranny out of the 
88 xj for enough to cover most of the upgrades to Old Blue.

So, does this sound like a good plan?   I still need to install the 
hitch, aux tank, and brush guard on Old Blue...

Man, where does time go...   I'm tired.
I'll be in church till 5 tomorrow, signed up for a special class and 
taking Mark with me...   It's a walk through the New Testament...  
should be pretty cool.

ttyl,
john
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Date:  18 May 97 01:52:44 EDT
From: Edwin Pedersen <102551.2631-at-CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Ol'  White's  New Problem

Got a new battery for the beast, fired him up, and found a new prob.
The turn signals will click slowly for two times, then stop. 
Left or right turn signal, makes no difference.

Suggestions  ?.............       Bad ground ?  ( where?)  
		          Bad turn signal relay?

Eddie in Vancouver   ( signalless in Vancouver)


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Date:  Sat, 17 May 1997 23:01:48 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: twistin' and a turnin' and a jumpin' outta gear...

>     Now for my question: My Wago will pop out of drive when
>     accelerated hard.  
> You have to hold the gearshift in drive to keep it in.  What could
> this be?

Check your motor mounts, transmission mount, the torque doohickey 
thing on the left side of the transmission mount.

Also, check the adjustment of your shifting linkage down on the 
tranny.   

My guess is when you accelerate the torque rolls the motor to the 
left and it's enough to move the shifting linkage...

Most likely it's got to do with the tranny mount and that torque 
thing...   Hopefully your engine mounts are ok...

ttyl,
john
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Date:  Sun, 18 May 1997 07:22:05 -0500 (CDT)
From: chrissy saltsgaver <chrissys-at-midwest.net>
Subject: Studebakers & jeeps on the run

Was supposed to host an all day drive for our Studebaker club this morning,
starting from Evansville, In. & winding up in Vincennes, In. at a war
museum.  Unfortunately only one other car showed up ('63 Avanti).  We
decided to cancel the trip, so got to run around E'ville with time to kill.
(we live in cornfield county where there's nothing to do or anywhere to
shop, so a trip to a town of 60,000 is a big deal).

Went to a paint supply shop which will sell (cash only) supplies to anyone.
Got some paint stripper for the Lark & Wagoneer repaint project.  Also went
to the local "u pull it"  salvage yard.  It was Sonya's first trip & she
couldn't believe it:)  I think it was bonding experience.  (altho she just
couldn't get over why the hoods are left up on the cars-- I explained that
this yard is the last stop before the crusher & the owners don't care).  We
did find 4 good tires for the Lark ($10 each & 2 were mounted on Keystone
Classic rims- remember those?).  Had to put 2 of them in the rear floor of
the '50 Stude, the trunk isn't big enough for 4.

Also ran accross a '83 wagoneer for sale.  The recent paint job (red
metallic) & wood trim sure made our '80 look poorly.  124,000 miles, rebuilt
engine, new but incorrect carpet, & new window seals made the $1750 price
look pretty good.  I called the number & found a young guy with a family who
bought a new ford 4x4 & wants some cash to go on vacation this summer.  I
think if he'll take $1500 I'll get it & sell the '80.  If anyones interested
in a Limited with tow package, let me know (someone else can paint it:).

Mike Saltsgaver.


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Date:  Sun, 18 May 1997 07:40:24 -0500 (CDT)
From: chrissy saltsgaver <chrissys-at-midwest.net>
Subject: Re: help with a decision...

At 10:58 PM 5/17/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Ok.   Here's the thinking.   I'm not sure that swapping in the 4.0L 
>and 4spd tranny will gain me enough mileage to make it worth the 
>hassle.   The 4spd isn't that strong, and the 4.0L will be working 
>harder than in an xj.   That means my mileage won't be as good as in 
>my little wag, which is only about 17 to 18 anyway.  So let's say 
>it'll drop to 16 to 17, and maybe 19 to 20 on the road, yeah right...
>

My '75 J10 w/ 4.0L only gets 10 or 11 mpg.  (The motor is weak thou, I think
it had to  work too hard in the fsj).  My humble opinion is that it's not
worth the hassle & decrease of resale value down the road (unless your like
me & drive the doors right off of them).

>My carb sucks.  (pun intended)  If Old Blue sits more than a day or 
>two he takes for ever to get started...   

Know exactly what your talking about.  If the '75 sets more than 3 days, it
takes forever to crank enough gas back into the carb to start.  Rather than
eat up the starter & battery, I just prime it with a few table spoons of gas
these days.
>
>The 4.0L is a great motor, and so is the 258.   But I really don't 
>have the time to be rewiring a rig and swapping engines.   I need to 
>spend more time with my family, and what other time I have I should 
>be focusing on computer stuff and web pages... :-)
>
You've been talking with my wife haven't you :)

Mike Saltsgaver.


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Date:  Sun, 18 May 1997 07:52:55 -0500 (CDT)
From: chrissy saltsgaver <chrissys-at-midwest.net>
Subject: Re: GloveBox

At 12:38 AM 5/18/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Has anyone made a different glovebox?  This is of course after you have
modified
>the factory one.
>(what dimensions were they, or do you copy the "factory" measurements from the
>old box, 
><I remember I had to bend mine to get it out.>)
>

You can still get a new one from the dealer for only 12 bucks.  My buddy
Dennis just got one for his truck.  The P/N is 5459886.  

It takes time & patience to r&r those things without tearing them up (that's
why so many fsj's were "raped" when nuckle heads would go after the radio).
I saw one where someone had made it from a Budwieser box & duct tape- pretty
impressive :)

Mike Saltsgaver

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Date:  Sun, 18 May 1997 09:07:46 -0500 (CDT)
From: Moake Brian <iw67-at-jove.acs.unt.edu>
Subject: Re: GloveBox

On Sun, 18 May 1997, Sc0 wrote:
> Has anyone made a different glovebox?  This is of course after you have modified
> the factory one.
> (what dimensions were they, or do you copy the "factory" measurements from the
> old box, 
> <I remember I had to bend mine to get it out.>)

If you contact this guy he might be able to help. He replaced two with
aluminum.

http://www.dickinson.edu/~marschka/FSJ.jeeps.html 


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Date:  Sun, 18 May 1997 09:12:54 -0500
From: brewer-at-thaad.tecmas.com (John Brewer)
Subject: Cherokee Pioneer Exhaust Manifold.

I need an exhaust manifold for a 1989 Jeep Cherokee Pioneer.  It has a 4.0
Litre engine.  Does anybody have a line on one of these?  I have been told
that the e.manifold for the Pioneer is different from the Laredo- any info
on this would be appreciated as well.  Thanks

John Brewer


"Any man who would trade liberty for security deserves neither."
   Benjamin Franklin



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Date:  Sun, 18 May 1997 09:17:27 -0500
From: brewer-at-thaad.tecmas.com (John Brewer)
Subject: Painting FSJ Bumpers

I'm thinking of painting the bumpers on my '89 Grand Wagoneer either black
or the color of the vehicle.  My question is, what are they made of or
coated with.  I don't think that they are actually chrome and I can't
believe that they are stainless.  Perhaps some kind of rhodium or vanadium
or a combination of these?  Any info on this or on what kind of preparation
is necessary to make paint stick would be appreciated.

Comment on the asthetic nature of this would be appreciated as well.

John Brewer


"Any man who would trade liberty for security deserves neither."
   Benjamin Franklin



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Date:  Sun, 18 May 1997 07:45:28 -0700
From: Gordon McKenzie <gordmck-at-direct.ca>
Subject: Re: stall speeds...

john meister wrote:

> > John, having had to get my 81 tranny rebuilt, the shop ownermechanic
>
> > (who was recommended by two car lots including the Jeep lot)
> > suggested the non-locking converter with a lower stall speed would
> > be an improvement for all but unloaded highway driving. Apparently
> > the stall speed on the locking converters is too high to be of
> > practical use in these vehicles. Just a thought.
> >
> > Gord
>
> The stall speed thing confuses me...   What is the best thing for our
> FSJ's?   If I went with a non-locking that would mean I'd have higher
> rpms?   Or just more slippage???
>
> stalled in snohomish...
>
> john

O.K., here's my very lame understanding. A high speed converter is
appropriate for high RPM driving and racing.  A low speed converter
works harder or has less slippage at a low rpm. The guy selling me this
mess stated that the stock converter won't lock up until 2500 rpm or so.
That is about 50 mph or so for me. (1 have 3.31'a in the diffs). Seems I
rarely see those speeds when towing (the main purpose for Ox) I don't
get much of the benefit from the lockup. The lower speed converter has
less slippage past 800 rpm or so but will never fully lock up. For me
this will mean better off-the-line for towing (and it "feels" better
when not towin, but that's just justifying the $1,500) but maybe a bit
worse economy on long unladen trips. That's what I have to Escort for.

Actually, I'm going to do some digging to find out exactly what the
scoop is as the above seems a kinda lame explanation.

Gord


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Date:  Sun, 18 May 1997 09:40:34 -0500 (CDT)
From: Moake Brian <iw67-at-jove.acs.unt.edu>
Subject: Re: Painting FSJ Bumpers

On Sun, 18 May 1997, John Brewer wrote:
> I'm thinking of painting the bumpers on my '89 Grand Wagoneer either black
> or the color of the vehicle.  My question is, what are they made of or
> coated with.  I don't think that they are actually chrome and I can't
> believe that they are stainless.  Perhaps some kind of rhodium or vanadium
> or a combination of these?  Any info on this or on what kind of preparation
> is necessary to make paint stick would be appreciated.

I don't know the answer to your questions but I can say that my bumper has
been welded, if that helps any...


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Date:  Sun, 18 May 1997 07:53:34 -0700
From: Gordon McKenzie <gordmck-at-direct.ca>
Subject: Re: ruhmba

mindale-at-ix.netcom.com wrote:

> IMHO, on my 360 it doesn't matter which plug wire I pull, it doesn't
> make any difference in the idle. Mileage goes down a couple of mpg
> though. Found out the hard way when I forgot to reconnect one after a
> tune up, duh. Previous rough idle that I had was timing too far
> retarded.

You may be right. I haven't actually tried this on Ox. I know it works
on a G.M. 4.3l. Brother in law had done a tune-up. It ran like crap, we
did the above and found a wire not pushed on all the way, it still ran
like crap, we found another wire, still ran bad we found a third wire
and it ran fine. I don't let him work on my trucks at all.

Gord



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Date:  Sun, 18 May 1997 07:54:33 -0700
From: Gordon McKenzie <gordmck-at-direct.ca>
Subject: Re: testing, pay no attention to...

Alisa Mize wrote:

> kronk kronk kronk kronkity krok kronk grok grok kronk kronk
>
> kronk kronk kronk kronkity krok kronk grok grok kronk kronk
> kronk kronk kronk kronkity krok kronk grok grok kronk kronk
> grok grok kronk kronkkronkity krok kronk grok grok
> kronk kronk kronk kronkity krok kronk grok grok kronk kronk
>
And I was told this was a family site. At least there not long lines.


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Date:  Sun, 18 May 1997 08:02:30 -0700
From: Gordon McKenzie <gordmck-at-direct.ca>
Subject: Re: Ford Exploreres/Going away for the summer....

Mark Wallace wrote:

>  There are parts for them if you want to
> build
> them up, but I've only seen one that someone hade gone through and
> that
> was a Warn demonstration vehicle.

Some time back I met a guy through the Offroad list with a built
Explorer. Live 5 mins from where I was at the time. Huge lift, I think
35's on it, re-geared with ARB's front and back and it seemed to work
pretty well at wheeling. But I would rather build a CJ than some new
truck. I couldn't get past the $30,000 the truck cost before
modification being run through that serious of bush, mud etc.




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Date:  Sun, 18 May 1997 10:28:35 -0400
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
Subject: re: Step 1, look at email address....



     Like you should talk, John...  ;P>

     Whoops, looks like John's finally fingering out what we've been doing
to him for months....  although he didn't know we were doing it to him till
I said so.  Oops.

     Are you serious, John?  Me and Timex at the track?  Thilly boy, she'd
look awfully silly lumbering down the straightaways at 35 MPH, and the
kronking carburetor would choke in the banked turns, assuming I could make
it up somewhere where there's banking anyway, instead of running around on
the apron.

     That reminds me...  check this out, y'all...  Timex is running great
all of a sudden, and I'll be kronked if I know why!  Now she's being a
little spoiled kronk upon starting, not wanting to cooperate.  One reason:
starter drive is kronked again.  But once she gets started, she doesn't
want to idle, till the third or fourth try.  VERY uncharacteristic of her.
But once I get her running, she runs FINE!  Well, once warmed up...  she's
a little sluggish, snortish, and sootish when cold.

     But on the way home she was acting like she was lugging, and was
making this gawdawful kronking noise under the hood, like she's about to
eat a lifter sandwich.  Now, I remembered the AC idler pulley, that I
haven't replaced yet, making a noise just like that, oh, what, about two
months ago.  So that's probably that.  I'm going out in a couple of minutes
to pull the AC belt off and check it out.  It being Sunday, I probably
won't be able to get a replacement;  I don't believe any of the local auto
parts stores carry it, nor the dealer (and the dealer would probably charge
an arm and a leg!).  Looks like no AC for the trip to and from work, and
all these job interviews over the next couple of days.

     Now, the sluggishness...  I probably just need to refill the tranny
AGAIN.

     Poor old girl...  she does her best, and quite admirably, under rather
adverse conditions...

<snip>
>NO, doc, it's not weird.    The first thing I do when looking through 
>a digest if I spot something interesting is to look at the email 
>address...   Soon as I saw this I had to comment... :-)
>
>How's life in the swamps?   Has that silly rat invited you over to 
>test drive the tram track yet?  
>
>If so, please get a camera...   


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Date:  Sun, 18 May 1997 10:34:55 -0400
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
Subject: re: testing, pay no attention to...



     Yeah, right, Alisa...  like we were gonna ignore this...

>Date:  Fri, 16 May 97 21:15:08 PDT
>From: "Alisa Mize" <jaamize-at-nwlink.com>
>Subject: testing, pay no attention to...
>
>kronk kronk kronk kronkity krok kronk grok grok kronk kronk
>
>kronk kronk kronk kronkity krok kronk grok grok kronk kronk
>kronk kronk kronk kronkity krok kronk grok grok kronk kronk
>grok grok kronk kronkkronkity krok kronk grok grok
>kronk kronk kronk kronkity krok kronk grok grok kronk kronk

     So just what is the name of this medication you're testing?  And do
you have any to share?  <gasp><grin>.  Remember like when you got caught
chewing gum in school, you had to share with everyone.  Unchewed.  So we
don't want yours secondhand, fork it over....  

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Date:  Sun, 18 May 1997 10:56:55 -0400
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
Subject: re: Buicks owned by FSJ types

>> how many others out there with a Buick in the drive or under the
>> hood?

     Does a Toyota with Regal hubcaps jammed in the brush guard count?

     I remember when I was a kid, the first (and next-to-last) brand-new
car my family ever owned, my mother's off-white Skylark ragtop.  I *think*
it had a 340 engine.  Black interior and top, plastic rear window that
lasted about three months.  My grandmother would take my cousins and me
places, and if we were lucky she got lost.  We were lucky if she got lost
for two reasons:  one, it was usually within a block of the house
(seriously); two, it usually happened just before it would start to rain
really hard, and we'd be in a nice, dry, warm police station asking for
directions instead of in the car.  The problem with being in the car was
that she didn't know how to raise the top.  Once she took us all bowling,
and she sure enough found the bowling alley, even the one we were aiming
for!  However, on the way there, it started raining, and sure as kronk we
couldn't get the top up.  Hey, I'm the second oldest of the entire group
(my cousin Bob is two years older), and I was FOUR at the time!

     I was talking to my mother last weekend, and the talk got to the
vacations we took when I was a kid, usually up to Vermont, via the scenic
route.  We used to stop at various attractions and amusement parks, and
they sometimes had little cars or trucks, kiddie carts, and I of course
always got to drive.  Even the '64 World's Fair...  I remember Dodge had
this pavilion where the cars were suspended from an overhead monorail
track, and went around the building.  It broke down whilst we were riding
in it.

     Remind me sometime to tell y'all about the '65 Crown Imperial she got
to replace the Skylark...  and then there's when my cousins' family
borrowed the Skylark to go out to Arizona to visit my Aunt.  They had
seatbelts put in it (they had recently nose-dived off a bridge in their '63
Dart), but overheated it and killed it.

     Anyway, as Mom and I were reminiscing, it dawned on me that it was
indeed my parents' fault that I turned into a "car nut".  And the Buddy-L
Gladiator I had as a five-year-old that foretold and prophesied Timex!  

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Date:  Sun, 18 May 1997 10:36:42 -0400
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
Subject: Midland

>>   And let us not forget about the ever-popular - Midland, CB.

     What state's abbreviation is CB?  And what's the population?  Is THAT
where John's mythical Ford plant is?

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Date:  Sun, 18 May 1997 10:46:51 -0400
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
Subject: Factory bondo?

>    Here's a mystery, I was doing bodywork on my FSJ and was grinding rust
off 
>the rear fender-quarter panel, There was a large amount of Bond-o covering
about 
>the whole thing. I bought it from my Grandpa and it had been in only one
wreck, 
>in the front by a Caddy. Could it be factory bond-o?

the very rare, prototypical, experimental self-bondo-ing SJs!

     Sorry, but it's not worth any more than a regular one.  As a matter of
fact, the reason why they abandoned the idea was that the presence of the
bondo lowered the value of the truck.  They also had a problem with
consistency of the self-painting sub-system.  Well, let me rephrase that...
 it was actually quite consistent.  It NEVER worked in the entire history
of the experiment, except for once when an unidentified, unknown vehicle
sprayed Indian Ceramic all over the furniture and carpets.  Seems
housebreaking was a problem, too.

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Date:  Sun, 18 May 1997 08:17:09 -0700
From: Gordon McKenzie <gordmck-at-direct.ca>
Subject: Re: Ol'  White's  New Problem

Edwin Pedersen wrote:

> Got a new battery for the beast, fired him up, and found a new prob.
> The turn signals will click slowly for two times, then stop.
> Left or right turn signal, makes no difference.
>
> Suggestions  ?.............       Bad ground ?  ( where?)
>                           Bad turn signal relay?
>
> Eddie in Vancouver   ( signalless in Vancouver)
>
  Is turninng that important to you? Buy a house right on Lougheed, get
a job right on Lougheed and forget trying to fix anything.

Gord (who thinks he would try a new realy first, then check all the
bulbs before trying to find a bad ground.)


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Date:  Sun, 18 May 1997 11:12:51 -0400
From: "John Jacobs" <jabobsj-at-flash.net>
Subject: Re: taurus for us, NOT...

<snip>
>The thing that's attractive (at first blush) is the size, the 4 
>doors, the liftgate with the rear window, and the visibility.   Other 
>than that...
>
>My friend is getting 18 to 21 mpg with his...   I'm only getting 17 
>to 18 with my little wagoneer.    Granted any Jeep I own is probably 
>significantly better off-road, I don't go off-road that much and 
>found that even with my Oldsmobile I could do well...
>
<snip>

I would think the newer 4.0L XJ's could get 18 - 21mpg.  I was in a 5.2L ZJ
(Grand Cherokee) with QuadraTrac that got 16mpg on average!  I would hope
the I-6 with SelecTrac could do better than the ole 318.  I've driven them,
but I guess I never paid that close of attention. (company gas makes you
forget about checking stuff like that unless you its figured out for you
like in the ZJ.)

Does your XJ have fuel injection or carb?  If fuel injection, does it have
throttle body, multi-point, or sequential multi-point?  The latest Jeeps
(96 and up) are SMPI with the new Jeep / (Dodge) Truck Engine Controller
(JTEC) that is leaps and bounds better than the older SBEC system.  Only
problem is that even though the control is better, you have to deal with
OBDII (blah!). On the other hand, I guess that is true of any 96 or later..
 


John Jacobs
75 Wagoneer
Royal Oak, Michigan

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