Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 22:47:15 -0500 (CDT) From: chrissy saltsgaver <chrissys-at-midwest.net> Subject: Re: Tires for sale At 02:09 AM 5/21/97 -0400, you wrote: >Mike, > I am very interested in the J20 axles. I am also interested in the >J10 axles w/ the 4.09's. What gears are in the j20's? Where are you >exactly? Midwest somewhere, right? Megan has an aunt out there that >were going to see this summer, I could swing by and pick them up. A >bill each sound fine to me. What this about the vacuum motot on the >diff cover? What tranny is in each, also? Thanks, Zack, The spicer 60 rear has 3.73 gears. The front has 2.72's. The front came from a '84 J10 pioneer with selectrac. The vacuum motor is mounted on the diff. cover & engages the gears (no hub locks). I changed the brakes on the front over to the larger J20 parts, but never got to switch the R/P's before giving up on the project (the body was just too rusty). The tranny/xfer case are already gone (it was a TH400/BW quadratrac w/ 2wd conversion). I think I've got a local nibble on the '75 J10 (remember, the whole truck can be driven off for $600). If it falls thru & I part it out, then the 4.09 axles are up for grabs. It also has the TH400/quadratrac. I'm in Fairfield, Il. It's 125 miles straight east of St. Louis, just off of I64. Mike Saltsgaver.[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 23:53:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Chrisharon-at-aol.com Subject: Powder coating Powder coating isn't something you can do at home, unfortunately (to my knowledge anyway). I've got a buisness card from someone in southern California if you want a phone number or adress though.[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 23:54:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Chrisharon-at-aol.com Subject: Re: After Market ignition How about some info on the new ACCEL ignition system? I'm debating getting a Jacobs in the next few months, does anybody have any good or bad stories about Jacobs?[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 23:54:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Chrisharon-at-aol.com Subject: Re: New Carb/ Old Manifold? I've got a 2BBL carb to 4BBL manifold adapter on top of my SP2P intake and it works fine as far as I can tell.[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 23:53:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Chrisharon-at-aol.com Subject: Quadratrack part-time gear wanted I've got a part time kit in my Q-track already. However, it's the 16% O/D kit which doesn't do my 33" tires and about 3.5:1 gears any good. :-(( Does anybody have a 1:1 P-time kit that would like to swap the drive gears? Or barring that, does anybody have a 1:1 kit that would like to sell the drive gear. Actually, it's the driven gear that I need, the drive gear is the one on the back of the tranny.[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 23:53:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Chrisharon-at-aol.com Subject: Re: '89 Radiator Fix It's very common for the FSJ's to break the mounts off of the radiator tanks. :( Fortunately we got a new radiator from Pep-Boys and it's lifetime gauranteed. Just return it when the mounts break, no problem. :)[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 23:53:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Chrisharon-at-aol.com Subject: Re: 700-R4 in Cherokee & Lockup TH-400's (???) If you're doing rock crawling, a 700-R4 won't hold up to the heat produced. Other than that, it should do just fine. After all, they use them in Suburbans. I've never even heard of a lockup TH-400. I'd definately be interrested in it if anybody has info on this. I know they make dual-stall speed TH-400's (I have one).[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 23:53:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Chrisharon-at-aol.com Subject: Tilt steering wheel fix I tore down my steering column yesterday as the tilt mechanism had loosened up. It took most of a full day, and I found 4 loose bolts down inside where it pivots. If anybody is contemplating doing this fix, the pins where it tilts are pressed in, but not real hard. Just make your own puller when you get everything apart that far and you've got it made after those 2 pins come out. I used locktight on those 4 and 3 other bolts, hopefully we won't be having this problem for many years to come![Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 23:16:29 -0500 (CDT) From: chrissy saltsgaver <chrissys-at-midwest.net> Subject: Re: FSJ Leak Prevention Results > Anybody else contemplating sealing behind the door panels: If you just >tape/seal up the inspection holes somehow, consider like John did that water >can become trapped between the tape/plastic at the bottom of the holes. It'll >either leak in slowly or rust out the inner door skin. > > Jeep made no attempt to seal the holes. Instead they allowed the water to >drip through them and then relied on the paper backed rubber sheet to redirect >the water back into the door (and out the drain holes) through the louvers at >the bottom of the door. > >often not reinstalled. It's pretty much a single use deal. > I've been "rust belt" proofing the truck I brought back from Georgia. I had to replace the door speakers & while the door panels were off, I gave them my special recipe-- AFter removing the plastic covers on the drains, sweep/vacuum out all the dirt & broken off parts of window seals which have collected in the bottom. Spray the whole bottom with "extend" (luckily there was no rust there, but do it anyway). The next coat is Rustoleum rusty metal primer (I dump lots of it in to make sure it gets to the corners- the front corners are the hardest to reach). Make sure the door is opened wide enough to let the excess drip onto the driveway instead of the door sill (oops, you might want to put down a drop cloth). The 3rd coat is black (or any enamel you have laying around) paint. Then we get out the duct tape & vis-queen plastic to make shields for the holes & overall covering. I tape the small pieces to the outside of the door & let the bottom go to the inside of the access hole (like the factory did for the power window switches. This way the water can't collect at the bottom. I also try to apply tape to the inside of the inner door skin at the lower panel screw holes. This will help to keep water from migrating thru the screw and into the door panel. Anyway that's what I've done. Time will tell if it pays off. Mike Saltsgaver > Unfortunately, the paper backed rubber sheet disintegrates with age and is[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 23:30:44 -0500 (CDT) From: chrissy saltsgaver <chrissys-at-midwest.net> Subject: Re: TF727s At 10:55 PM 5/21/97 -0400, you wrote: >>learned something today... >> >>the Torqueflite 727 does not put circulate fluid to the torque >>converter or the cooling lines in PARK... >> >>Remember how Old Blue lurches when I first go to drive after he's >>been sitting, but no other slippage in the tranny... >> >>Turns out the shop guy said that's normal. He said START IT UP IN >>NEUTRAL and it'll be fine... >> >>Also, if you're out on a trail and things are warm, DO NOT IDLE IN >>PARK, because your tranny won't be using it's cooler... IDLE IN >>NEUTRAL... > > > John, you aren't really paying this clown, are you? That's gotta be the >most ludicrous line of horsekronk I've ever heard.... It's a little tough >to prevent it circulating fluid because the front pump is driven directly >by the input shaft of the tranny... and you really believed this? ANY >time the engine's turning, there's fluid circulating! > > Only difference between park and neutral is the engagement of the parking >pawl. Don't walk away from this idiot, RUN!!! > An easy way to proove it is to crack loose one of the cooler lines at the radiator (ever forget to plug the lines when test fireing an engine installation? Makes a nice mess:) ). Mike Saltsgaver.[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 21:35:20 +0000 From: "William S. McBride" <wmmcb-at-televar.com> Subject: Re: Rush (non-fsj) Mike S. Boy does that ever bring back memories. For the trivia championship of the week, what was the frequency of WLS? Where around "Chicagoland" did you grow up? Bill McBride 68 J-100[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 21:39:30 +0000
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Subject: Re: 75 Wag JPG
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[Back to Top]Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 23:45:40 -0500 (CDT) From: chrissy saltsgaver <chrissys-at-midwest.net> Subject: Re: fsj parts for sale At 08:52 PM 5/21/97 -0400, you wrote: >> Ken, it was an automatic. He didn't know which model (he couldn't even tell >> me if it was a 2 or 4 door). I might get to go look at the pair sometime >> soon. There's someone near him with some 31" tires that I'm interested in. >> Maybe I can do both in one trip. Let me know if interested. These are near >> Carbondale Illinois (home of Souther Illinois University- party school of >> America:). > >Where are they? > Do you mean the wagon & or the tires? The truck & wagon are near a town called Murphysboro (near Carbondale), The phone number is 618-684-5680. The tires I'm going to try to buy are closer to St. Louis. Mike Saltsgaver.[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 23:25:26 -0500 From: "68 Wagoneer" <jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com> Subject: Re: Stall speeds..."Switch Pitch" TCs...TH400s Tom, I'm not sure if that kind of stall speed would really help one of our motors. A high stall spd of 4,000 rpm? Consider that the big-block single-plenum crowd needs that kind of rpm to generate a decent amount of hp. But many torque motors run out of breath before they even get anywhere near 4,000. For instance, the Buick 350 makes its most torque at 2,400 for the 2-barrel; prob a little higher for the 4-barrel. The torque multiplication you suggest at 4,000 rpm would probably not yield as much as at "normal" torque multiplication with a low stall speed. Mike, is there a computer simulation that could help us out here? ======================================= Henry Padilla '68 Jeep Wagoneer Buick 350 thoughtfully installed by Kaiser jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com ---------- > From: Tom Anhalt <tanhalt-at-earthlink.net> > To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com> > Subject: Stall speeds..."Switch Pitch" TCs...TH400s > Date: Wednesday, May 21, 1997 3:05 PM > > It seems that the Buick performance (read "dragstrip") crowd has really > taken to this feature. In looking through a Buick catalog I have, they > are selling these "switch pitch" torque converters with a low stall of > 1400 rpm and a high stall of 4000. Apparently, these guys will wire the > solenoid to the brake pedal to activate the high stall at the start > line, and then have it switch to low stall once they've launched. > Pretty trick. > > Finally...Here's the part about FSJs. These guys like this feature so > much, they also sell retrofit kits for TH400 transmissions!!!! Think > about it...you could have your tranny set up so that when you're > climbing a steep, gnarly hill you're using the high stall setting and > therefore getting the "torque multiplication" ....and then when you want > some downhill compression braking, you flip a switch, and presto!...a > low stall converter goes into effect. And it's a much lower stall speed > than the stock converters are. One side benefit is that you'll be able > to use it on the street to surprise some Mustang or Camaro or something. > > So...What do you guys think? Is this something you could take advantage > of? > > Tom Anhalt > '81 Cherokee Laredo the torque provided by the engine's own intrinsically-designed torque curve[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 23:46:17 -0500 From: "68 Wagoneer" <jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com> Subject: Re: Brake Upgrades - need help Glad to see that passed the test, Zack. That's the main reason I wanted to swap the brakes in Ole Bessy. BTW, does anyone have the schematic/instructions on how the rear brakes on the early Dana 44s are set up? I would like verification on the way I need to set up the star adjusters, e-brake hardware, etc. If possible, a .jpg or ..gif of the rear brakes would be helpful. ======================================= Henry Padilla '68 Jeep Wagoneer Buick 350 thoughtfully installed by Kaiser jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com ---------- > From: Zack Heisey <moosh-at-redrose.net> > To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com> > Subject: Brake Upgrades - Was: MFWP > Date: Friday, May 16, 1997 11:04 PM > > Thanks Michael, > I installed the dual diaphragm vacuum booster almost by mistake. The > one in the chero went out, so I called the parts place and told them I > needed one. Next day I went to pick it up. I had to bring the old one > back for a core when I was done. I took it home, and when I got it out > of the box, I noticed that it was huge. Almost twice as thick as the > old one. I took the old one off and matched it up. The mounting > bracket is the same. The spacer is the same. The vacuum hook up is the > same, and the increased size doesn't interfere with anything under the > hood. > I was kind of keeping this a secret to see how well it worked in the > long run. Well, 6 months and 9,000+ miles later, I haven't had any > premature wear on the brake pads or shoes. Now the advantages: pedal > pressure is a little less, I really don't notice it, but Megan does. > This thing will now stop on a dime. The truck is about 1000lbs lighter > than the chero, but the chero would win hands down in a brake test. And > there's no greater tendency to lock up either. I can stand on the > brakes, they won't lock up, but she'll stand on her nose, and stop like > that. The classic scenario of a kid coming out into the street after a > ball happened a while ago, I reacted just like anyone else would have, > stood on the brakes, and I ended up stopping well short of the little > tike. It would have been a lot closer in the truck. Well, enough, you > get the idea. The price for the single and the dual diaphrams, at least > here anyway, is the same. If you try it, good luck. Later, > > Zack Heisey > '79 J-10 > '79 Cherokee Chief Wide Track[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 00:50:19 -0500 From: "68 Wagoneer" <jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com> Subject: 85 Wag FS in CT As you can see from the dates of the posts that I'm replying to, I haven't been online much recently. That's about to change...now! I'm officially on vacation for the rest of the year. Fiscal year, that is, which ends May 31. I'm going to mow the lawn and trim some trees and bushes, get Ole Bessy back together, and spend several late nights reading email! Anyway, here's an ad I saw in the local paper (I'm in eastern CT): Jeep Wagoneer 1985 exc. body and int. 97K miles. Auto, 4x4 (duh!-that's me talking and not the ad), 4 door (Duh!), air, am/fm cassette. Asking $1,699. Hmmm... Also, on the way back from the airport I saw a gloss-black truck-style Hummer with NJ plates and all four front halogens glowing (almost) annoyingly in the late afternoon. It was coming at me pretty fast from behind so I changed lanes and drooled as it went by. It had a decal on the rear window that read, "4x4 4U.com" so I think it's a celebrity vehicle of 4x44u, which I guess is a commercial 4x4 video/info/whatever site. ======================================= Henry Padilla '68 Jeep Wagoneer Buick 350 thoughtfully installed by Kaiser jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 23:35:00 -0500 From: "68 Wagoneer" <jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com> Subject: Re: Spruce Up (long-winded) and NON-FSJ! When I was in 6th grade I sharpened my pencil and then boasted to my friend, who had been waiting in line for the sharpener after me, that my pencil was sharper than hers. She said, "Oh, yeah?" and stabbed my wrist with her newly-VERY-sharpened pencil and the "lead (carbon) broke off. I still have a dark dot under my skin from that! Other than that, I had a VW roll of the logs that it was sitting on (I know, that was stupid!) and a jagged piece of metal cut my arm. That was ======================================= Henry Padilla '68 Jeep Wagoneer Buick 350 thoughtfully installed by Kaiser jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com ---------- > From: Sc0 <jjd-at-flex.net> > To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com> > Subject: Re: Spruce Up (long-winded) > Date: Friday, May 16, 1997 3:30 PM > > When I was a kid; In Kindergarten a girl closed the door on my THUMB! > When I was in third grade, I did a indo on my bicycle and flipped right > over and busted half my tooth out. > A .22 Magnum shell hit me in the leg, (kid-stuff) > I blew a primer in front of me....(VERY bad experience.) > And I shot a double barrel 12 gauge... both barrels at the same time. > But, no Broken bones nor sprang ankles......I guess I had a happy child-hood, > except whenever I have to explain to someone about what had happened to my > thimb. the first time I ever needed stiches and had to goto the hospital.[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 23:48:35 -0500 From: "68 Wagoneer" <jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com> Subject: Re: 65 A through a 50 A breaker... Same, here, John. Smiths' back lot is full of them. Scary. ======================================= Henry Padilla '68 Jeep Wagoneer Buick 350 thoughtfully installed by Kaiser jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com ---------- > From: john meister <john-at-> > To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com> > Subject: 65 A through a 50 A breaker... > Date: Friday, May 16, 1997 5:36 PM > > > (I almost lost Old Blue a couple years ago when the lead from the > on fire... Luckily it fizzled out before it caught any oil or fuel > on fire... Immediately got me under the hood wrapping wires and > tying stuff up... I've seen too many Wagoneers in the boneyards > with toasted front ends...) > > later, > john > --------------------------------------------------------------- > john-at- http://www./~john > Snohomish, WA - where JEEPS don't rust, they mold... > http://www./~john/statement.html > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Full Size Jeep Page Editor - http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/jeep/fsj > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > alternator shorted against the exhaust manifold immediately catching[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 23:41:51 -0500 From: "68 Wagoneer" <jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com> Subject: Re: 70 Wag GloveBox door needed Bruce, I can give you the glove box door off the '72 parts Wag. The door is blue. The doors are way rusted so they won't do. I'll check on the interior mirror. It has one but I'm not sure exactly what type you're talking about. ======================================= Henry Padilla '68 Jeep Wagoneer Buick 350 thoughtfully installed by Kaiser jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com ---------- > From: ck1-at-pacbell.net > To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com> > Date: Friday, May 16, 1997 9:43 PM > > If anyone sees a center glovebox door for a 1970 Wagoneer 1414C > (any color will do), I'd appreciate a blast. I contacted a co. > that someone mentioned here in the list a couple months ago and > heard back from them once shortly thereafter - nothing since. > > I need a complete door (lock, key, et all) and I'll pay a reason- > able price (let's not get excessive :). I also need an interior > rear-view mirror and mount for the same rig (the PO had one of > those 3' long multi-mirror dooma-flotchies, and I prefer the > smaller wide angle ones (ie "LaneChanger") that mount to the > stock size mirror). > > All the Best, > Bruce * kb6lwn * ck1-at-pacbell.net * 707-987-4737 > > .. 1970 Jeep Wagoneer (1414C) V8-350 4WD "Pinecone" > > Net-Tamer V 1.08X - Test Drive > Subject: Re: 70 Wag GloveBox door needed[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 23:54:19 -0500 From: "68 Wagoneer" <jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com> Subject: Re: Ford Exploreres/Going away for the summer.... Ok, Mark. I just got back from ABQ. Was wondering if you were in Los Alamos yet or not. Good luck with the Wag and I'll see you in Aug; that'd bee cool if you were able to get the locker. I'll give you the info on the Trailfest in Sept if you want to go; it'll be nice to have each of us with our own Wags there! Email or post your ph # in Los Alamos if you can. I'll give you a call to see how things are going. ======================================= Henry Padilla '68 Jeep Wagoneer Buick 350 thoughtfully installed by Kaiser jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com ---------- > From: Mark Wallace <redgator-at-bu.edu> > To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com> > Subject: Ford Exploreres/Going away for the summer.... > Date: Saturday, May 17, 1997 3:45 PM > > > My parents have two Ford Explorers. And they are really nice CARS. They > drive on the highway and in town really nice. They are a little ornery in > snow...the four wheel drive system isn't anywhere near as adaptable as my > NP 219. They don't have a ton of power, and I wouldn't consider pulling a > race car trailer with one. There are parts for them if you want to build > them up, but I've only seen one that someone hade gone through and that > was a Warn demonstration vehicle. I think an xj Cherokee is a better > little vehicle if you want to run in the dirt. The one thing that they do > have going for them is that they get half way decent mileage...but would > you rather pay $20,000 for a vehicle that gets good mileage or dump $5000 > into one that gets lousy mileage and then have an extra $15,000 to spend > on gas. (that's 150,000 miles by my figuring). > > My School Year is finally over...meaning I am going back to New Mexico in > Just a couple of days. Which means that in one weeks time I will have > AMC 360 and TF 727 scattered All over the place. Yes I still intend to > rebuild the transmission in the kitchen, and yes I will send pictures to > John to scan. Following about 1000 miles of testing (about a week knowing > me) I will go wheeling up in Ouray, CO I will get some more maps, take some > better pictures (maybe even hold the camera still this time) and > hopefully come fall I'll put together a decent page for the 40th > Anneversary of the FSJ Ouray get together. If some extra money finds me I > will get an Air Locker for the rear. Come August I'll take my amazing > rusty 81 Wagonner back to Boston. Since I don't have easy computer access > in NM I'll be off the list until about august. > > Later > > Mark Wallace > 81 Wagoneer > Boston MA[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 01:01:00 -0400 From: Zack Heisey <moosh-at-redrose.net> Subject: Re: Dana 60 Billy, front ends they don't need!!! <g> Zack '79 J-10 '79 Chero Chief billy dunn wrote: > > At 02:13 AM 5/21/97 -0400, you wrote: > >Hey guys, > > Did I miss something, D60 FRONT ends? Ohhhhh, where, where, where, > >where... > > > >Zack > > > Theyre everywhere,Theyre everywhere, Just had a guy call me and asked if I > was interested in one....That was a month or two ago and he is HOLDING it > for can you believe it????Well sent some cash snail mail to officially hold > it and Im going to pick it up... > Billy Some guys have all the luck. I wish people were calling me with D60[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 00:58:51 -0500 From: "68 Wagoneer" <jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com> Subject: Re: brake adjusters? For the record, the old brakes on my original '68 rear and front axles did not have self-adjusters. They both had star adjusted that had to be adjusted by hand. Unfortunately I can't use the adjusters on the '72 parts Wag since they're too corroded by rust. Need to find some. Anyone have extras? ======================================= Henry Padilla '68 Jeep Wagoneer Buick 350 thoughtfully installed by Kaiser jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com ---------- > From: Steve Whitney <swhitney-at-presto.GIS.Pima.GOV> > To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com> > Subject: Re: brake adjusters? > Date: Monday, May 19, 1997 5:12 PM > > My former '72 Wag had self-adjusting brakes front and rear. Basically all this > consists of is a plate held in place across the star adjusters by a spring and > operated by a cable so that they would tighten the brakes when applying them > while backing up. > > When replacing brake shoes, I would initially adjust the brakes manually, then > while backing up apply the brakes 10-15 times. This "supposedly" further > adjusted them properly, and every time you backed up and applied the brakes, > this would would "supposedly" keep them properly adjusted. That's where they > "supposedly" got the term self-adjusting from. In my experience, this never > really worked to my satisfaction, so I would occasionally manually adjust them > to my liking as they wore down. With drum brakes all around, I kept them pretty > tight. > > If the shop said your rear brakes had to be adjusted manually, maybe > they're just missing the self-adjusting plate/spring/cable. My '78 Wag has > self-adjusting rear brakes just like my '72 had. > > Hope this helps. > > c-ya, > Whit. > > Steve Whitney, '78 Wag > 401, 4bbl, TH400 w/ B&M Transpak, QT w/ MM part-time kit, 2" AALs, 31" BFG ATs > Tucson, AZ > swhitney-at-gis.pima.gov[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 22:08:00 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: PNW fsj fest.
Hey, this might work out nicely...
Whose your friend and where should I send them, any recommendations
as to which ones?
I'm going to try and get permission to place on ORC the Willy Worthie
article on Wagoneers and the Last Wagoneer article...
let me know where to send, and I will... :-)
thanx for the idea, please, keep reminding me... BTW, did you ever
get that video converted, I REALLY want to put that thing up on ORC,
I don't care if it's 100 Meg, it will be sooo cool...
my rigs on the Rubicon, Lord Willing it will still be open.
Looks like my little wag will be set up well for trails. I need to
get my Trac-Loc serviced... Is it possible to drop an EZ locker over
one???
Hey, you guys with those BFG All Terrains, are they quiet enough for
a Daily Driver??? I'm thinking 30x9.5's on my xj wagoneer. Old
Blue has the Michelin LXT's 235's, nice tire, but not a good mud or
snow tire I found, but excellent on the highway and wet road... I
need something aggressive for the little wag. Going to save my
coins for an Arb air locker for the front of it and maybe the
snorkel...
> john, u gotta send them group pics into the mags. the editor
> at four wheeler said that he couldnt get alll of our indivdual
> shots into the make , but a group shot came along he could put
> that in...man u gotta do it!!!
will do, let me know where...
>
>
> --
> Sincerely
>
> kenneth e. wetherall If a Wagoneer can go where a
> kenns-at-concentric.net CJ can go, then it's a
> Super Wagoneer.
>
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[Back to Top]Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 22:03:10 -0700 From: Joe Schaefer <jeep-at-olypen.com> Subject: nasty part non-fsj delete and is in the heart of the nasty part of Detroit. (I-96 and >>Greenfield) There's only a nasty "part"? Sheesh...haven't lived there since 65. Fenkell(5-mile)/Lasher. 6-mile/Grand River... Moved to the burbs till 69. Livonia. Schoolcraft/Merriman. Oh by the way is a 9mm really better than a 38 :) Regards, -jj[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 22:14:04 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: PNW FSJ fest.
> john, i just took a look at this page.
>
> waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay cool. i am soooooo jealous that u got
> all those FSJ together for a group shot. man those
> pics look
> greeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
Thanx. I'm really looking forward to the shots of your rig. I'm
convinced had you a better photo in there you might have made it to
the TTC. Your super is SUPER. I'll do a photo shot if you cover
the transportation costs... :-)
Too bad Eddie and Java Joe didn't make it, and we lost touch with
Bryan, and one of the charter members from Monroe didn't make it,
don't think he's on the list...
Hey, you like that, wait till I put the pictures of Tom's yard up
there... :-)
I might be able to assemble even more FSJ's together... hmmm....
this could be fun. I did get some shots of Old Blue with a pack of
xj's... They all had serious lifts, and Old Blue was still as tall
or taller... :-) I mentioned that but no one wanted to talk about
it... I'm so glad I brought Old Blue, my little xj wag is quite
wimpy right now... 205's no lift, etc...
later,
john
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[Back to Top]Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 22:29:25 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: Accessories
> FSJ Staff,
>
> Do you know of anyone who makes a swing-away gascan and spare
> tire
> holder for the 1988 Grand Wagoneer? I would appreciate any help you
> can offer. Thank you,
>
> Bill
>
Yep. JC Whitney has had them in their catalog for ever...
I bought a swing down Gas-cylinder type for a GMC Jimmy and adapted
it for the back of my 81 Wagoneer...
JC Whitney has a web page I think... They run about $110.
later,
john meister
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[Back to Top]Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 22:32:09 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: (Fwd) Enviro vs. Lun & Win-Win Strategies.
FYI,
john
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Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 09:39:20 -0700
From: Dave Gray <dgray-at-off-road.com>
Reply-to: dgray-at-off-road.com
Organization: Off-Road.Com - Your online off-road resource
To: landuse-at-unix.off-road.com
Subject: Enviro vs. Lun & Win-Win Strategies.
The LUN Vasco Caves post got me to thinking and remembering some old
Aikido training. Among the things that Aikido teaches is the
redirection of an opponents force to thwart his attack.
We at the LUN should do more than simply write to fight all land
closures. Some of this stuff is appropriate and important. To do the
right thing and at the same time be seen as less extreme we should
support _appropriate_ closures and protections (not the blanket 5.7
million acre kind).
At the same time, were there is room we should negotiate that select
ORV corridors be established (ala Dusy/Ershim). We should make the
proposals remembering some of these key points:
1) By planning & selecting the trail route we can avoid those areas
which are truly environmentally sensitive (not just politically
sensitive). 2) Having established legal trails in the area will
discourage people from trying to make illegal trails. 3) Trails can be
constructed to encourage or discourage certain types of vehicles. If
they want to limit traffic a 4+ trail can do that pretty well -
naturally! 4) Trails can be selected and contructed in such a way to
minimize erosion, rocks and boulders can be used to protect sensitive
areas such as stream beds and shore lines or to "guide" vehicles away
from wetlands or meadows. 5) These trails let emergency crews access
the area more easily. 6) These designated trails would be easy to
maintain, police and clean up.
California has an OHV trail system, and as limited as it is most of
the trails are a success. It is certainly not California's official
OHV trails that are causing damage to an area. Many times if damages
is actually being caused it is from vehicles using unnofficial routes
or cutting their own trails.
Just like the many environmentalists, I am not in favor of paving
roads through these areas. After all, I am an off-roader - the last
thing I am in favor of is PAVING roads in the backwoods. The unpaved
ones work great for me!
The strategy I am hinting at is that we can support some issues if
they are willing to make some compromises for us. We can selectivly
support more parks and wilderness as long as their are designated
corridors for OHV use (and perhaps others) as well AND we can argue
that these corridors are actually beneficial in acheiveing their
stated, public goals.
Unfortunately our suggestions are likely to be opposed because they
run counter to the unstated objective of many of these organizations -
but it may still be a very wise political tactic. To the politicians
that actually make these laws it would look like a win-win situation.
They would eat it up, everybody is a little bit happy, nobody is too
mad and they can get re-elected with support from all.
--
David Gray
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[Back to Top]Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 00:33:20 -0500
From: Jim Weisflock <mrmonk-at-basec.net>
Subject: Re: '84 cherokee
Dennis M. "Doc" Fariello wrote:
> >in reply to TCOLLINS's memo of 05/21/97 08:16:06 AM
> >>Subject: For Sale: '84 Cherokee Chief, 2.8L V6, 5spd, 2door. $750 or BO
> >We had a thread about this a while back. Are there other GM engines that
> >will bolt up to this?
> >
> >Thanks
> >Dave
>
> it's an XJ... go make an XJ mailing list or something, guys...
Yeah, but it's a sweet XJ! Love the graphics on them Chief ones! I'm
surprised ole Mr. Rosa is bailing out on it, must have his hands full
with his project Javelin and putting a 304 into his Chevy wagon, lol.
To answer Dave's question, or try anyways. GM has a replacement 3.4 you
can buy that will work, don't know how reliable it is or anything. I
think a Chevy/GMC/Olds 4.3 V6 works, or you could try the
Buick/Olds/Pontiac 3.8 V6s (my choice next to a AMC mill, I'd take one
with a supercharger).
Who else?
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[Back to Top]Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 22:47:27 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: Brooke Stevens....
> Actually, Brooke Stevens DID design both the fsj's and Studebakers.
> The GT Hawks & '62 & later Larks were Brooke's work. If you compare
> the looks of a '63 lark wagon (the sliding roof version was called
> "wagonair") and the '63 wagoneer the similarities are amazing.
>
> Mike Saltsgaver.
Mike, is Brooke Stevens still alive? If so we should find him and
interview and photograph him... He's our main man!
He's not famous enough to show up in World Almanac's...
than me... and I'm getting close to as old as dirt... (I'm still
younger than indy joe though... but not by much I don't think...)
Anyway, I digress, is he still with us?
ttyl,
john
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My guess is he's gonna be pretty old, well, at least 20 years older
[Back to Top]Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 22:50:33 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: for shame...
> When we're traveling to a car show in the Studebaker & she takes a
> Rush book along, I won't walk away from the car until it's out of
> sight:) Since we only have AM radio in it, I make her change the
> station when he comes on:)
>
> I voted for Ross,
> MIke Saltsgaver
>
You let her listen... Just ignore the false egotistical air and
listen to the substance...
I voted for Ross the first time... But I later figured out the only
thing he was after was wiping Bush out... He had a personal grudge
thing... at least that's my analysis of it all...
later,
john
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to settle... That's why he had the weird July withdrawal, rerun
[Back to Top]Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 22:53:20 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: engine controller???? you mean the points???
> John, have you ever been in a Dodge van and had the engine
> controller hic-up at those speeds, reset, and drop the tranny out of
> over-drive at 105mph? I did, it was fun (but I wouldn't want to do
> it again.) Before it
I think this was a 71 or 72 Dodge, I'm not sure if it had a
controller or not, more than likely points...
and it didn't have over drive either...
actually, it didn't even have a radio, or carpets, and no whitewalls
either... :-)
john
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[Back to Top]Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 22:54:33 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: scary thought...
> days when AM radio was for listening to Larry Loujack on WLS?
I remember this guy... WLS was the only station I listened to back
then...
john
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