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Date:  Wed, 21 May 1997 23:57:23 -0500
From: "68 Wagoneer" <jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com>
Subject: Re: Concave lifters, Buick 300's, Gas milage, exhaust leak, TH-400

I was getting 11 mpg with my rebuilt Buick 350 and 3.31 gears. I hate to
think of the mileage with my new 3.73s but I'll know in about a week!

=======================================
Henry Padilla
'68 Jeep Wagoneer
Buick 350 thoughtfully installed by Kaiser
jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com

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> From: Chrisharon-at-aol.com
> To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com>
> Subject: Concave lifters, Buick 300's, Gas milage, exhaust leak, TH-400
> Date: Saturday, May 17, 1997 10:28 PM
> 
>    For those of you who have the 350 Buick powered FSJ's, what kind of
milage
> are you getting, what shape is the motor in (tired, rebuilt, or ?), and
what
> have you done to the motor to get better milage, if anything?


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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 00:10:27 -0500
From: "68 Wagoneer" <jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com>
Subject: Re: Jeeping tune...(long)(Sequel)

This sounds like it should be the sequel to the Jeep commercial where the
woman pulls up to the gas station and asks where "Bakersville" is and the
guy looks at the Jeep and motions to the mountains and says something like
"That way".

=======================================
Henry Padilla
'68 Jeep Wagoneer
Buick 350 thoughtfully installed by Kaiser
jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com

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> From: Moake Brian <iw67-at-jove.acs.unt.edu>
> To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com>
> Subject: Re: Jeeping tune...(long)(Sequel)
> 
> 
> On Sat, 17 May 1997 22:58:44 -0500 (CDT) Moake Brian 
> <iw67-at-jove.acs.unt.edu> wrote:
> Eventhough this is not a song about FSJ's I like it anyway.
> Black Bear Road
> > (Fries and Davis)
> 
> Me & RJ & the kids was on a campout in the mountains and we had us one 
> of them U-Drive-Em Army Jeep cars that we rented from a fella by the 
> name Cue Bosque for 30 bucks a day buy your gas along the way take a 
> rabbit's foot and leave a pint of blood for a deposite.
> And he explained it all to us how we'us supposed to get to Telluride 
> which is 50 miles away by way of the regular highway however there was 
> a shortcut but unless we had drove the Black Bear Road before we'd be 
> better off to stay in bed and sleep late.

> Date: Sunday, May 18, 1997 10:34 AM

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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 00:05:09 -0500
From: "68 Wagoneer" <jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com>
Subject: Re: Ol'  White's  New Problem

Eddie, mine did that and worse right before I took her out of commission
for the axle upgrades. Also, everytime I stepped on the brakes my left
front turn signal would flash! Looked pretty goofy on the video that Mark
and I took at the Trialfest last year. Still need to fix it in the next
couple of weeks.

My guess is, the flasher is bad?

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Henry Padilla
'68 Jeep Wagoneer
Buick 350 thoughtfully installed by Kaiser
jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com

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> From: Edwin Pedersen <102551.2631-at-CompuServe.COM>
> Subject: Ol'  White's  New Problem
> Date: Sunday, May 18, 1997 12:52 AM
> 
> Got a new battery for the beast, fired him up, and found a new prob.
> The turn signals will click slowly for two times, then stop. 
> Left or right turn signal, makes no difference.
> 
> Suggestions  ?.............       Bad ground ?  ( where?)  
> 		          Bad turn signal relay?
> 
> Eddie in Vancouver   ( signalless in Vancouver)

> To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com>

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Date:  Wed, 21 May 1997 22:56:58 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: maintenance logs...

> Date:  Tue, 20 May 1997 23:55:21 -0700
> From: Joe Schaefer <jeep-at-olypen.com>
> Subject: Maint. software
> 
> Hi all,
> Have any of you run across any decent vehicle/maintenance/pn's log
> software/shareware whatever?
> 
> Thanks,
> -jj

believe it or not, I use Excel to track all that stuff...   I can 
email a copy of one that you can use to build from...

john
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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 02:09:05 -0400
From: Zack Heisey <moosh-at-redrose.net>
Subject: Re: Tires for sale

Mike,
  Thanks for the info.  I'll try and talk the warden into visiting her
aunt in Iowa.  I have a 3.73 D60 I'm trying to get here, but they guy
keeps sitting on the fence.  He wants to sell it, he doesn't.  I know

Zack Heisey
'79 J-10
'79 Cherokee Chief

chrissy saltsgaver wrote:
> 
> At 02:09 AM 5/21/97 -0400, you wrote:
> >Mike,
> >  I am very interested in the J20 axles.  I am also interested in the
> >J10 axles w/ the 4.09's.  What gears are in the j20's?  Where are you
> >exactly?  Midwest somewhere, right?  Megan has an aunt out there that
> >were going to see this summer, I could swing by and pick them up.  A
> >bill each sound fine to me.  What this about the vacuum motot on the
> >diff cover?  What tranny is in each, also?  Thanks,
> 
> Zack, The spicer 60 rear has 3.73 gears.  The front has 2.72's.  The front
> came from a '84 J10 pioneer with selectrac.  The vacuum motor is mounted on
> the diff. cover & engages the gears (no hub locks).  I changed the brakes on
> the front over to the larger J20 parts, but never got to switch the R/P's
> before giving up on the project (the body was just too rusty).
> 
> The tranny/xfer case are already gone (it was a TH400/BW quadratrac w/ 2wd
> conversion).
> I think I've got a local nibble on the '75 J10 (remember, the whole truck
> can be driven off for $600).  If it falls thru & I part it out, then the
> 4.09 axles are up for grabs.  It also has the TH400/quadratrac.
> 
> I'm in Fairfield, Il.  It's 125 miles straight east of St. Louis, just off
> of I64.
> 
> Mike Saltsgaver.
> 
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>
when he finally decides, I won't have the money.  Thanks again,

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Date:  Wed, 21 May 1997 23:10:58 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: fishing for fiche...

> As for the fiche I have parts manuals on fiche for all jeeps from
> 74-80. Then I have 4 out of 6  fiche for 81-86.  The last set is
> 91-93.  Anybody that needs a number for their favorite part I can
> try to find it for you.

Brian, if you decide to discard the 81 fiche, please discard it into 
an envelope and send it to Snohomish... :-)

BTW, I put the module repair story and tech info on FSJ -ORC...

john
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Date:  Wed, 21 May 1997 23:02:35 -0700
From: BG <garrison-at-ptw.com>
Subject: Re: Jacobs Ignition

Jeff Herbst wrote:
> 
> OK guys, how about some opinions on the Jacobs ignition thing. I know I
> am opening a can of worms here, but I have found several glowing reviews
> on the web. Are these things worth it? 

Jeff, I have the Jacobs "Energy Team" producing the spark on my J-20's
360! I am very happy about the system. I have been running it for a year
and a half with no problem. I have noticed about 1 to 2 mpg better, but,
the biggest difference is in the start and Idle!!!.  I paid $600 for the
whole"Shootin Match" back in late 95'. I recently pulled the connector
off my no 4 plug wire... a quick call to tech. support at Jacobs had a
new one to me in 3 days FREE! 

I weighed the purchase price for a new OEM "ford Sure Spark" computer,
coil and wires and it came out to about $150 less than the jacobs
system.

I have nothing but good things to say. 

I had a buddy start & run my truck for me while I was away on business.
His exact words were, "Wow... it started quicker than my new Tacoma!"

I can't speak for other systems but I do know a friend wo uses MSD
ignition components on racecars and he is happy.
I hope this helps

Bert Garrison 78' J-20, 360 4bbl, T-18, D20
Edwards CA

P.S. visit Mark's Jeep page and see my truck and othercool FSJ's at
http://www.mindspring.com/~us004765/jeepbret.htm

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Date:  Wed, 21 May 1997 23:13:29 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: xj motors...

> >Subject: For Sale: '84 Cherokee Chief, 2.8L V6, 5spd, 2door. $750 
or BO
> We had a thread about this a while back.  Are there other GM engines
> that will bolt up to this?
> 
> Thanks
> Dave

the 3.4 and 4.3L and the TARGETMASTER 2.8L

john, been there done that, ain't going there again thank you...  
happy with my 4.0L six pack...

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Date:  Wed, 21 May 1997 23:15:14 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: what happened to the picture???

> John Brewer
> 
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>                      1989 Jeep, Grand Wagoneer
>                         '78 Cherokee Grill
>                               "Retro"
> 
> "Any man who would trade his FSJ for a Chevy deserves what he gets".
> -John Brewer

psst, don't let indy joe see this, he might think you don't like
chevy's...   

rofl...

> 
> "Any man who would trade liberty for security deserves neither."
>    Benjamin Franklin
> 
> 
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Date:  22 May 97 02:05:43 EDT
From: Michael Baxter <74172.1164-at-CompuServe.COM>
Subject: RE: poor gas mileage/Spark advance

Jeff Herbst <JeffHerbst-at-electrosys.com> writes:

 >> I'm thinking of just replacing the distributor lock stock and barrel.
 <<

 Jeff, I can tell you that replacing my distributor in the Cherokee resulted
in the biggest performance gain ever compared to everything else I have ever
done.

 I was down to about 9 MPG around town a few year ago and when I went looking
for he problem I ended-up at the distributor. My centrifugal advance wasn't
working and no matter what I did monkeying with the mechanism, I could get it
to work.

 I finally went out and bought a re-built ($55 exchange I believe) and stuffed
it in there. I guarantee it knocked 3 seconds off my 0-60 times.

 All this on a '79 Cherokee with a 360 and the Motorcraft ignition system.

 -- Michael Baxter, 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com
 http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter
 From Reno, NV USA on 21-May-1997 at 22:58:35 PDT

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Date:  22 May 97 02:05:48 EDT
From: Michael Baxter <74172.1164-at-CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Stall speeds..."Switch Pitch" TCs...TH40

Tom Anhalt <tanhalt-at-earthlink.net> writes:

 >> but you're probably still asking what this all has to do with FSJs...
 <<

 Well, I can tell you but, SuperKen was already here. I can say I've ridden in
the Super and the switch pitch is waaaaaaay cool. Phhhhhhhhhhhh!

 I believe the 2 speed auto in the Buick is most assuredly a Powerglide with a
fancy name. The GM Powerglide is still a very popular tranny in drag racing
circles.

 -- Michael Baxter, 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com
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Date:  Wed, 21 May 1997 23:17:05 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: Torque Converters....

> But they are the only folks who had the TC in stock, it was $90,
> stock replacement
> 
> Later
>  Matt

Is it still working?  This is the best price I've heard yet.   lowest
is $150, highest around $230...

is it the low stall speed lockup???

I don't know if there are any aamco's around here...   

later,
john
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Date:  Wed, 21 May 1997 23:22:12 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: corrections, minor

> boxes.  Doc in "Borelando" has a 258 in his J-truck.  He's got 2.72
> gearing and the 4 speed manual.  I believe he's also running
> 31x10.5s and consistently gets over 20 mpg.  I think this has a lot
> to do with the manual tranny and the high gearing in his diffs.  So,
> if that is a manual, you should be able to get decent around town
> mileage too, depending on the gearing in the diffs.  In comparison,
> I believe most people with the 360 report around 8-10 mpg in town
> and 12-14 on the highway.

doc has a 5 speed, and 33 or 35's, mileage is in the 19's...  very 
elevation of 150 feet with anthills posted with "trucks use lower 
gears" signs...

Old Blue is in that 8 to 14 mpg range...   actually, as low as 4 mpg 
during the freak snowstorm...  12 mpg at 75mph towing a trailer and 
xj motor and tranny... in the mountains of course...   360, 2v, at, 
2.72 gears...

later,
john
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respectable nonetheless...   He's also at a towering, nose bleeding 

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Date:  Wed, 21 May 1997 23:25:15 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: the story...

> anything yet so I really can't give you any insight in that area. 
> Offroad, the engine is great!  Have John M. tell you the story about
> me climbing this steep hill with the parking brake accidentally on. 
> Didn't even notice it until I went to coast over the top of the hill
> and came to a stop!

Yeah, Tom climbed this steep hill with the parking brake on.  Noticed 
it when he stopped to let me back in after letting me walk up the 
hill in the sun... :-)    (actually I was chasing those two 
characters with my camera getting shots of Dan's freshly lifted GW 
and Tom's widetrac...)   Dan was having an absolute blast...

john
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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 02:21:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: Chrisharon-at-aol.com
Subject: Re: plugged sunroof drains...

   This may sound like a dumb idea, but have you ever considered sealing the
sunroof so it doesn't leak at all, thus you wouldn't need those drain lines?
 Is this a possability (I've got an aftermarket sunroof in mine, so I have no
idea what yours is like mechanically).

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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 02:21:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: Chrisharon-at-aol.com
Subject: Re: Stall speeds..."Switch Pitch" TCs...TH400s

   All you need for an auto/lo/hi stall is one switch.  You hook the common
wire of the switch up to the tranny, then use one leg to the existing
automatic switches, and hook the other leg up to a switched power source.
 You use a 3 position switch and you wind up with something like:
   HI
   LO
   AUTO
No problem, works great, I did mine this way in my '64 Skylark with a
retrofitted TH-400 Switch Pitch. :)

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Date:  Wed, 21 May 1997 23:27:31 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: which one?

> Sunday?  I was on it Saturday night....maybe that's why I didn't see
> anyone.. I did get to talk to "a" editor of Cherokee America though.

which one?   Marc?   

john
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Date:  Wed, 21 May 1997 23:35:08 -0700
From: Joe Schaefer <jeep-at-olypen.com>
Subject: test-ignore

I feel obligated to put something in this box....

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Date:  Wed, 21 May 1997 23:49:36 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: more new pages...

> End of FSJ-List-Digest  #326

alise's fuel tips
tom & kenn's torque converter thing
john jacob's 75 wagoneer
banana rating system, finally, way late
the FIRST IFSJA TX/OK meeting... :-)

later,
john
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Date:  Wed, 21 May 1997 23:59:19 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: dang, almost forgot...   call Lynn

> ------------------------------
> Date:  Wed, 21 May 1997 22:46:33 -0400
> From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
> Subject: re:  non-fsj harrassment
> 
>  John, remember, some of us have seen you....  I bet you're not 
half 
>  as disappointed as Becky....  <grin>
> 

you got that right...   When we first met back in 1974 she mentioned 
she didn't want to marry someone who was short, fat and bald...  

so far, 2 out of 3, well two and a half out of three... :-)

BTW, Lynn called, she wants you to call...  Don't have a clue,  other 
there's hope, they're getting more serious about moving to 
Wisconsin... :-)   Maybe having a "kid" sister (same age as doc) 
that's blonde cured me of blondes and solidified the cliche...

doc, save your self some time on those pages, do a view source and 
grab the text off of my page, I usually use "pre" and very little 
tagging inside the message.   I know you use Home Site and get much 
fancier...  Anyway, that way you can grab the text quicker...   Since 
our formats are totally incoherent, er incomplatible.... :-)

have fun...

ttyl,
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than it's probably related to their computer... sorry...   But 

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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 00:01:03 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: incorrect process

> >Alright, I hate to share though, it takes
> >a whole year to mold dirty socks to
> >just the right consistancy.
> >where shall I mail them to?
> >
> >Alias

Aliase,  you must be getting too much sun.   Try leaving them under 
the seat in Rufus for about 24 to 48 hrs... that should do it... :-)

later,
john
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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 03:03:24 -0400
From: Zack Heisey <moosh-at-redrose.net>
Subject: A How To, Sorta

Hello All,
  I just tried my hand at writing a little how to on my page.  I would
appreciate some comments.  Please don't write and say I need to learn
how to spell, I know that.  If you'd like to go through my page to get
to it, go to
http://www.dickinson.edu/~marschka/FSJ.jeeps.html
and to the technical page, and then to the CenterForce Clutch/Lakewood
Bellhousing link.  Or, if you'd rather go directly to it, its
http://www.dickinson.edu/~marschka/clutch.html

Enjoy, and let me know.  Thanks,

Zack Heisey
'79 J-10
'79 Cherokee Chief Wide Track

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Date:  22 May 97 02:58:46 EDT
From: Edwin Pedersen <102551.2631-at-CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Ol'  White's  Day  Out

First of all:   remember the weak turn signals ?  Well, they work fine now.
Didn't do nuthin' to them, just started the truck up  the next day.
I attribute their poor performance to the " brand new" battery not being
charged enough to handle the electrical system. ( It had just been filled &
charged
15 minutes before I installed it ).

Anyways, my two brothers named Darryl jammed out on me for the day trip,
so I phoned a buddy and we went out in Ol' White by ourselves.
Found out two things,   brakes are bad, very BAD. Looks like I will have
to install a new master cylinder, and new shoes F+R, plus new pistons
in the back. (Which I have stored up in the garage  for the past
2 years.) Second, I now have a _very_ noisy ticking sound, which I am
hoping is just a vacuum problem. #3,,,  water pump squeals a little bit more
then it did last year, but is not leaking yet.    #4,,,,,,,  I should _really_
put
a thermostat back in there to help the rad cool the engine..............

CHILLIWACK  RIVER  VALLEY  AREA..........

Mostly, the day consisted of easy fire road travel, with the occasional washout
to perk things up a little. Low range works fine, ( except for that bent shift
fork thing) <g>   and the motor works just fine, ( for 169,700 miles), but 
that darn ticking noise is annoying!

CHUCKLE  FOR  THE  DAY...........

Do you remeber the Jeep commercial where the guy in the new TJ gets
to the top of the mountain and starts yelling and stomping his feet in
excitement??
And then the couple in the older CJ hears his voice echoing in the canyon
and mutter,  " rookie" ??
If you do, then picture this........................
I was going to turn off the old gravel road, and then cross a small channel of
the river, to go have lunch on the main " island". Ahead of me was a couple of
20-ish preppies in their newer YJ.  One of their buddies had already walked
across the channel to check it's depth, then encouraged the driver to
" GO  FOR  IT ! "  Well, he got up the nerve and did, taking the longer, but
shallower
angle through the water. The water depth was only up to the floorboards where
he had crossed, and when he got over to the other side, he came to a dead stop
five feet past the water, got out and starting doing high 5's, saying stuff
like,
" Way cool, that's what real 4 wheeling is all about", etc.  They sounded so
cute :)
In the mean time, not expecting them to suddenly block my path out of river,
I had already begun to take the more direct, and deeper, angle across the 
channel. The preppies heard the noise, and turned just in time to see this HUGE
BARGE pushing a bow wave as high as the hood, chugging across the water
right at their cute YJ, and it was evident I wasn't going to stop for them to
finish 
their " male bonding" thing !!!!  What quckly followed was a few "  HOLY S*%-at- 'S
"
as they scrambled to jump back into their Jeep and get it out of my way !!
By the time the had put it into gear and moved it, the bow wave was already 
crashing at their back tires ! Ol' White climbed out of the water, went over a
few
boulders to get around these guys and chugged on done the island, with the
floor board drain holes doing a good job of emptying the Jeep>>>>>>

Twas a short shake down cruise, a quickie for the first of the season,
but it was fun none the less !
Oh well, back to the garage, with a stop off at the parts store..........

Eddie in Vancouver
Caretaker of Ol' White
'79 Cherokee  Wide Track  QT  AT  I6   169,700 miles
Low Range Reduction Unit,  Emergency Drive
Dana 44's,  3.54  gears
Sport Kings  31 x 10.50 AT  M+S
Factory Bush Bar  ( as high as the hood, to measure fording depths <G> )


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Date:  22 May 97 02:58:51 EDT
From: Edwin Pedersen <102551.2631-at-CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Re: grok

Doc wrote:

Oh, no, one of the great unread....  read Robert A. Heinlein's "Stranger
in a Strange Land" and you'll grok...

To Eddie's original msg;
>I know what  " kronk " means,  but what's a  " grok "  ????????
>
>

Hey Buddy,  I'll have you know I_ have_ read that book, but it was back in
19-ought-6, and I'll be darned if I can remember everything in it.....

Why, it was so long ago that John M. had hair,  Joe Sego didn't have
any kids yet, and Timex had just turned the odometer over at 10,000 miles.  :))
                                           
Eddie in Vancouver 
( who thinks he just set  _him_ straight , so there) < grin >              


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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 00:08:00 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: explain the other thing then...

>  John, you aren't really paying this clown, are you?  That's gotta
>  be the
> most ludicrous line of horsekronk I've ever heard....  It's a little
> tough to prevent it circulating fluid because the front pump is
> driven directly by the input shaft of the tranny...  and you really
> believed this?  ANY time the engine's turning, there's fluid
> circulating!
> 
>  Only difference between park and neutral is the engagement of the
>  parking
> pawl.  Don't walk away from this idiot, RUN!!!
> 

Doc,  If i hadn't experienced it first hand I would agree with what 
with it running... then do it in Neutral...    Ok, shut the rig off 
and check the level.   Wait a little bit and check it again...  The 
fluid level will go up because the tc is draining.

What I've found is that when I first go to get going, there is a 
major hesitation... the guy said to start it in neutral and the 
problem will go away.

Besides, this isn't the first time I've heard or read about this.   
I was referred to these guys by Olympic 4x4.  I talked to both the 
owner and one of his technicians.  We talked about internal parts of 
a variety of trannies...   They KNEW what they were talking about.  

I also know from this winter that my tranny got very hot from all the 
hill climbs and then putting it in park to idle...   I could easily 
verify this buy pulling a cooling line and running the rig...  I 
suspect there will be some flow, but not as much.   It has to do with 
the front pump design of these TF's...   He explained it using normal 
to multi-syllabic words...   :-)

later,
john
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you're saying...   On a TF727 try checking the tranny fluid in Park 

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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 00:10:00 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: FSJ-List-Digest - Number 327

> Date:  Wed, 21 May 1997 20:23:28 -0700
> From: billy dunn <dunns-at-csra.net>
> Subject: Re: pictures...  we need pictures!!!  rubi-kens...
> >
> It doesnt ask me how I wish to save it..It just does.Youre right it
> did come with the scanner.I have LViewPro and tried to rename a .pdd
> file as a jpeg(.jpg) and it didnt work.Also tried to associate .pdd
> to LView and still didnt work. 
> 
you might be able to set the scanner to save in a standard format...

email what you have to me and I'll see if I can make it happen...

later,
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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 03:34:24 -0400
From: Zack Heisey <moosh-at-redrose.net>
Subject: Couple Days off Henry?

Henry,
  I have off until May 31 also.  Of corse I have a list of honeydo's,
but hey, off is off.  I have to start the summer job on June 1, which is
why I can't make the trip north  to the NE meeting.  There's an All
Brands Jeep Show on May 31, so I'll be at that instead.  Both my FSJ's
will be entered in the Judging.  The truck was the only one last year.(I
didn't have the on the road chero then).  This is the second year.  BFG
is one of the sponsor's, and since both my rides sport BFG's, I'm hoping
for a best ride on BFG trophy.  Maybe, we'll see.  Take it easy,

Zack Heisey
'79 J-10
'79 Cherokee Chief Wide Track

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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 06:34:30 -0500
From: ROBERT.BUBALA-at-rrd.com
Subject: need an honest and unbiased opinion

RR DONNELLEY & SONS COMPANY
 
          TO:        OAS     -00000001 *fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com
 
          FROM:      ROBERT.BUBALA
 
          DATE:      05/22/97
          TIME:      06:40:39
 
          SUBJECT:   need an honest and unbiased opinion
 
 
     Hello
 
     I am a total Jeeper by heart, but I need to make a decision soon.  I
     used my 95 Cherokee last weekend to pull my Scrambler down to the
     Pittsfield Jeep Jamboree and it did not work too well.  So now, I am
     faced with a decision.  I need to get a heavy duty truck to pull my
     Scrambler with.  Now, here is where the honest opinion comes in. I do
     not have a lot of experience with FSJ vehicles. I am more familier
     with the CJ group.  Should I get a brand new or newer F250HD or F350
     with a 351 or possibly turbo diesel or should I keep my Cherokee for
     an every day truck and find a J20 or J30?  Now, I am not sure how a
     truck of that stature (J20 or J30) is on reliability, and I do not
     know if another insurance bill and plates would be worth it. I would
     also need to find another place to put the truck at. The reason I am
     choosing Ford is because I have a family member who works for Ford and
     I can get the A plan discount, which is very good!
 
     Ok guys, please answer honestly and not just with a Jeep answer.  I
     wish that I could own all Jeeps but it may become time to stray a
     litle bit.
 
     Thanks, and email me privately if the answers are long.
 
     Robert Bubala
     mailto:robert.bubala-at-rrd.com
     Iron Horse 4x4s Inc, Vice President (NW Indiana)
     http://www.off-road.com/~iron
 
 
     p.s. A group from my club and another local club are going to Silver
     Lake Michigan from the night of June 13 to Sunday April 16.  We are
     staying at a local campground, and if anyone out there would like to
     join us, that would be cool.  Just contact me and I will let you know
     what campground we are staying at.
 
 

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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 14:15:00 -0700
From: Frank <falmaas-at-online.no>
Subject: Re: gas prices(Norway

Dennis M. "Doc" Fariello wrote:
> 
> >> I doubt anyone is paying more than $1.60 in San Francisco.
> >>
> >
> >Sorry, but I can't let that go by.
> >
> >Where at .559 cents per litre. About 4 litres per U.S. gallon.
> >be about $2.23 per US gallon
> 
>         I bet Frank and Sune are laughing their kronks off right now...  <grin>.
> What's it up there, guys, five bucks a gallon?

No Doc. It's $ 4,80 to be presise :-)) Remember, Norway is one of the 
three biggest oil-producing contries in the world so it make perfectly 
sense that we should have the highest gas price in the world??? So if its 
making 14 or 16 or 10 mpg it doesn't matter much anyway. (maybe I could 
start importing my own gas from the states)

Frank
Norway
>

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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 07:27:00 -0500
From: brewer-at-thaad.tecmas.com (John Brewer)
Subject: Re: nasty part non-fsj delete

>Oh by the way is a 9mm really better than a 38 :)

to provide information.

I'm assuming you mean 38 Special.  The answer would be yes if you were
refering to muzzle velocity and energy of bullet, which are tantamount to
stopping power.  Some average values are listed below.  YOU decide which is
best!

             grain          Muzzle    Muzzle    50 yds.   50 yds.
  Round     Weight  Type   Velocity   Energy   Velocity   Energy
-----------------------------------------------------------------
38 Special   125     JHP     975        264       924       237

9mm          124     JHP    1180        384      1089       327

357 Mag*     125     JHP    1450        583      1240       376

40 S&W       165     JHP    1150        485      1040       396

45 ACP       200     JHP    1055        494       982       428

44 Mag       240     JHP    1350        971      1188       753

Rifles, For Comparison...

30-06        165      X     2750       2770      2569      2418

..223*         55      HP    3240       1282      2773       939

7.63x39      125      SP    2320       1493      2046      1161

22L           38      S     1280        138      1015        86

* Best "One-Shot-Stop" capability.

"Guns&Ammo", Ballistics Tables, Petersen's, 1996 Annual


"Any man who would trade liberty for security deserves neither."
   Benjamin Franklin


You're probably not actually asking but I can never resist the temptation

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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 14:26:59 -0700
From: Frank <falmaas-at-online.no>
Subject: Re: Stall speeds..."Switch Pitch" TCs...TH400s

SuperKen wrote:
> 
> well i hate to break ur bubble, but the AT in ur 65 IS a th400.
> super turbine is a selling name. the 'switch pitch' convertor
> was used in cads and BOP HD cars from 65-67. it came i two
> flavors, 13" or 12". i have the 12" in my Super. but i dont
> have the switch that is on the carb, i have my switch on the
> dash. its ez to convert a normal th400 to this feature. u need
> the SP convertor, switch, front pump, and solinoid!!
> 

I also though the input shaft in the switch-pitch 400 was different than 
the standard 400?

Frank
Norway
> if u say that that buick cat has these in it, i want to no
> where i can get a copy of that cat!!!
> 
> the cad switch was on the carb itself and came on at idle
> and when the throttle valves passed 40degrees. on the BOP
> cars, it was similar except it went into hi stall when u
> pressed on the brake!!
> 
> --
>   Sincerely
> 
>   kenneth e. wetherall               If a Wagoneer can go where a
>   kenns-at-concentric.net                  CJ can go, then it's a
>                                             Super Wagoneer.
> 
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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 08:27:20 -0400
From: Rick Miale <miale-at-miale.org>
Subject: [No Subject]

> John, have you ever been in a Dodge van and had the engine
> over-drive at 105mph?  

Dad's 71 decided that while crossing the bridge between Maryland and
Delaware (i think) it was as good a time as any to lose the hood. First
time I heard Dad use language like that. :-) One little "click", then the
thing popped open for a second, then sailed over the side of the bridge.

Almost as exciting as loosing a surfboard off the roof of the Duster at
75mph and watching the thing get some serious air while barely missing a semi.

Ah, to be young again. :-)
Rick Miale
Sales Manager
UpTime Computer Services, Inc.
2 Westwood Place
Asheville, North Carolina 28806-4225
704.252.4777
rick-at-uptime-csi.com or rick-at-miale.org
> controller hic-up at those speeds, reset, and drop the tranny out of

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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 14:34:10 -0700
From: Frank <falmaas-at-online.no>
Subject: Re: Jacobs Ignition

Jeff Herbst wrote:
> 
> OK guys, how about some opinions on the Jacobs ignition thing. I know I
> am opening a can of worms here, but I have found several glowing reviews
> on the web. Are these things worth it? ( they quoted me $479, then $400
> if I would order now!) How about the Holley multispark? Did someone
> mention one from Accel? I've got the ignition blues and am looking for a
> cure.
> 
> Jeff Herbst
> 1982 Wagoneer LTD

Jeff
I just installed a Jacobs Ultra-Team in my Wag, Haven't drove it much 
after the instalation but it starts much easier and idles more smoothly, 
in fact it starts without using choke a thing it never have done before. 
Mpg doesn't matter much to me, so I'm happy with my UltraTeam. BTW If I 
remember right,Jacobs had it shipped to me in Norway for $295 !!!

Frank
Norway 
> Texas
> 
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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 08:42:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: GypsyLive-at-aol.com
Subject: Re: poor gas mileage/Spark advance

In a message dated 97-05-22 01:19:22 EDT, you write:

> Yep, even ran the service test to confirm correct vac - 7in -at- idle ,
>  follows ported when reved up.
>  inside the dist? I'm thinking of just replacing the distributor lock
>  stock and barrel.
>  
>  Jeff Herbst
>  1982 Wagoneer LTD
>  Texas
>  
Well see, I went throught this same thing a while back, it ran like CRAP with
the advance HOOKED up, I was missing one of those littel BI-COLOR canisters
we all talked about a few weeks ago, So the advance diapragm was getting vac
all the time, and allways too advanced...

You Do know that you can replace JUST the vac advance diapragm, and not the
whole dist riight? ( I guess you could make sure none of the wires are
shorting out on the dist housing or bending too sharply at full vac
acctuation, ( I had a dist with an open in one of those wires HARD TO FIND
PROBLEM))

can you see the timing marks marks JERk when you rev the engine with a timing
light connected?

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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 08:50:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: GypsyLive-at-aol.com
Subject: Re: Torque Converters....

In a message dated 97-05-22 05:51:44 EDT, you write:

> 
>  Is it still working?  This is the best price I've heard yet.   lowest
>  is $150, highest around $230...
>  
>  is it the low stall speed lockup???
>  
>  I don't know if there are any aamco's around here...   
>  
>  later,
>  john
yes its lock up, and yes it is still working!
I think its pretty low stall ( I assume stick RPM)
its pretty peppy, and does seem to be engaged at pretty LOW RPM, but it will
still roll backwards on a STEEP hill unless you feather the gas, ( mine idles
at 600)

i was told you couldnt not put a NON lock up TC in a LOCK UP tranny...

whether that is true or not I dont know...

but I have also heard many similar explanations of why the TF727 does slip a
little when you first engage it EVERYBODY SAYS ITS NORMAL


I saw a new company ( www.levelten.com)
advertising a performance ( lots of goodies included)
rebuild kit for the 727, might want to check into that..


cya

Matt



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