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Friday, May 23, 1997 7:21:18 AM

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Date:  Fri, 23 May 1997 01:07:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: Chrisharon-at-aol.com
Subject: Re: Quadratrack part-time gear wanted

   Ken, you're right.  If someone wants to swap I'd swap chains also.  Mine
is good, it's only about 3 years old and has only slipped once, pulling a
20,000lb +++ float for the Rose Parade up a rather steep little hill.  Other
than that, I've pulled a 7,100lb boat & trailer without any problems, so the
chain seems to be O.K. (Pulled boat after pulling float).  Any takers??? 

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Date:  Fri, 23 May 1997 01:07:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: Chrisharon-at-aol.com
Subject: Re: After Market ignition

   Do ACCELL or HOLLY ignition systems have the ability to add on an in-cab
ignition adjustment like the MSD 6A (?) does?  It'd be kinda nice for towing
a heavy trailer if I could adjust the timing in-cab.

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Date:  Fri, 23 May 1997 01:07:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: Chrisharon-at-aol.com
Subject: Re: Stall speeds..."Switch Pitch" TCs...TH400s

   I believe the factory converter on my '64 Skylark was 2400/1600 as far as
I can remember.  If I'm off, it's no by much.

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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 22:24:07 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: taxes?

> Subject: Re: gas prices(Norway
> 
> >No Doc. It's $ 4,80 to be presise :-)) Remember, Norway is one of
> >the three biggest oil-producing contries in the world so it make
> >perfectly sense that we should have the highest gas price in the
> >world???
> 
> Three biggest in the world?  I did not know that.  Would that be oil
> pumped from underneath the North Sea?  Who are the other two, Saudia
> Arabia and...?  Kuwait maybe?  Or perhaps Venezuela?  I like this
> kind of information.

Could it be the taxes placed on the fuel???  I heard that Sweden has 
a 62% income tax...   The price of socialism.

later,
john
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Date:  Fri, 23 May 1997 01:20:17 -0400
From: "John Jacobs" <jabobsj-at-flash.net>
Subject: Re: from what you've described...

>I used to call on the JTE building a lot (your right, don't go there after
>dark) when the Viper team was there (they recently moved to Featherstone).
>I also built prototypes for the new 4.7L V8 & saw the engine dyno rooms &
>equipment.  Any of it yours?  
>
>I loved going into that building!  It just reeked with nostalgia (I never
>saw the roaches:).  Going back to where the mock up room was for the
Viper,
>there were lots of old AMC pictures still on the walls (including fsj's).
>Don't forget they also made helicopters there too.  Remember that old Jeep
>display chassis that used to be in the lobby?
>
>Mike Saltsgaver.

The old Willy's Jeep rolling chassis?  I loved it.  When I had my interview
there I just *lusted* after the thing as I sat in the lobby.  There were a
lot of good pictures on the walls, but I think they might be removing them
now.  I haven't been there in almost a year, so I am not exactly sure.  The
true AMC nostalgia is talking to the old AMC engineers, what a trip.

There are still some Vipers around JTE, mostly for OBDII and production
engine calibration.  They sure are wild.  The group I was in supplied the
engine controllers (JTEC+) for the engines and dynos.  Also been to the
dyno a couple of times (wasn't it #7?  middle of the building, near the
calibrators garage, kinda hidden)  Did you work with the Advanced engine
group (Bill E. and pals?)

My Grandfather worked for Willy's in the late 50s and early 60s.  He worked
at JTE (when it was Willys) and then ended up taking a job in Brazil
working as plant management.  It was truly a dream to work there.   (I wish
it could have had the Cinderella ending.)

John Jacobs  -+- jabobsj-at-flash.net
75 Wagoneer
Royal Oak, Michigan

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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 22:30:29 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: 700r4's...

> The 700r4 's built before 1988 were weaker, but the later ones,

They fixed them earlier than that.   My GM dealer type friend 
verified that my 83 GMC Jimmy with the 6.2L Diesel had a satisfactory 
tranny...  I don't know if the dealer incorporated a fix or if they 
just had the bugs worked out by then...

I never had any problems wheelin in the mountains with it, or towing 
a trailer back from South Dakota in the middle of the summer with the 
a/c on...

john
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Date:  Fri, 23 May 1997 01:39:20 -0400
From: "John Jacobs" <jabobsj-at-flash.net>
Subject: nasty part non-fsj delete

>and is in the heart of the nasty part of Detroit.  (I-96 and
>>>Greenfield)  
>
>There's only a nasty "part"? Sheesh...haven't lived there since 65.
>Fenkell(5-mile)/Lasher. 6-mile/Grand River... Moved to the burbs till 69.
>Livonia. Schoolcraft/Merriman. 
>Oh by the way is a 9mm really better than a 38 :)
>
>Regards,
>-jj

Still there (in Livonia)?  (or anywhere near the area?)  I work at Plymouth
& Middlebelt.  It's really a nice area.  I have a friend who recently
bought a house near Ann Arbor Trail and Middlebelt.

6 & Grand River isn't really too far from Plymouth & Greenfield.  But yeah,
Detroit is typically not the best.  There are still some pockets that are
nice though..

John Jacobs  -+- jabobsj-at-flash.net
75 Wagoneer
Royal Oak, Michigan

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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 22:47:51 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: another PNW FSJ Fest???

David,

You say when and I'll have at least two other FSj's here...  If 
nothing else we'll meet over at Tom's, he's got about 7 in his
backyard... :-)

What works for you?

I was thinking that maybe the fourth of July weekend might be 
a good time.  I dunno. Roti, Allan, Java Joe, Eddie, Ron, Alise, and 
any other lurkers in the neighborhood...   Any suggestions?

I tried to put together some FSJ's for Mark Wallace's visit last year 
but no one showed up...

Let's see if we can coordinate this thing well enough for a large 
number of FSJ's to appear, in fact, I may even do up a flyer and get 
non-list FSj'rs to meet with us and maybe get the PNW IFSJA group 
enlarged...  I know of two or three FSJ nuts without computers that 
have virtual wrecking yards at their houses...

I know Ken Wetherall thinks we would even make it into Four 
Wheeler...  

I could even work towards getting the event sorta sponsored even...
Perhaps we could meet at a Jeep dealer or some other large parking 
lot near a restuarant so we could hang out for a few hours so 
everyone will have the opportunity to meet up.  The gears are 
turning...   Hey Roti, why don' t you give me a jingle and let's put 
our marketing heads together for something that will be fun and drag 
all these FSJ's running around here together for something fun and 
inexpensive... :-)   In fact, I hope to be working on Old Blue 
saturday morning (unless I get reassigned to yard work), why don't 
you wander over...

Java Joe mentioned the possibility of being over here later in June 
as well...   Eddie, how's Ole White doing???  Up to a trip down here? 
 Maybe we could pass the hat and contribute something toward your 
fuel...   I'm sure if we all kicked in something we could fill your 
tank to send you back safely...  

I guess the three folks we need to calibrate on would be David 
Klingenberg, Eddie and Java Joe.    There are also a couple other 
FSJ'rs in Idaho that might be able to make it out here.  And of 
course Brad's down in Portland... come on Brad, you don't NEED 
reverse to make it up here... :-)

Come on folks, we've got to show these other IFSJA chapters how it's 
done...   :-)

Let's keep this item open and active.


> ------------------------------
> Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 08:57:58 -0700 (PDT)
> From: David Klingenberg <kling914-at-uidaho.edu>
> Subject: [No Subject]
> 
>  John M. I took a look at the photos of the small get togather you
> had in April, have you thought about having another one in Aug or
> early september?
> 
> David Klingenberg
> kling914-at-uidaho.edu
> http://www.uidaho.edu/~kling914
> 
> 
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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 22:50:54 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: hey Mick, whaddya want for it???

> I have the swing tire carrier from my '75 (Wrap around lights) Not
> sure if it'll fit later models. I dislike it because there was
> insufficent bracing behind the body panels, which were ripped. If
> you want it, email me. mick 75,76 wag
> 
Mick, what do you want for it???

Care to trade for a gas shock swing down unit???  You can see it on 
the back of Old Blue, it works fine, and might even have his spare on 
it this weekend if I get the auxillary tank and new hitch on...  
(might have to fix the gray wagoneer first...  too many projects).

If you're interested I'll just swap you...  It's a good unit, I'll 
even throw in the extra bracket I fabricated for behind my aluminum 
bumper...  (you won't need it, but it'll make it sturdier on 
yours...)

let me know...

john meister

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Date:  Fri, 23 May 1997 00:47:39 -0500
From: "Sc0" <jjd-at-flex.net>
Subject: Re: digital camera



> >The Camera is BROKES!  Piece of Kronkin $%^#y plastic.  It was a Kodak DC40,
> >don't buy one...  Anyways, i'll see what my brother can get fer me to
> use..  I
> >might have to use the old 35mm and a scanner, who knows..
> 
> 	Now, now, temper temper!  So, how hard DID you have to throw it to break
> it, and how many pieces is it in?
> 
> 	Seriously....  what happened?

We'll...
It just doesn't work.  It wasn't even dropped once or slapped around, anyway
it's on Warranty.
I do have access to a 35mm and a scanner. I'll get my pictures.

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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 23:09:06 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: jacobs...

> With all this Jocobs talk, what exactly do you get
> for $600 ?  Seems kinda high.
> 
> Joe-
> 

I dunno, I bought my Jacobs coils and wires a few years ago,
it's a regular looking coil, paid about $60 for it and about the same 
for the wires...  

If you can, just getting the wires will make a difference!   A set 
might run close to $80, but they MAKE  A BIG DIFFERENCE.   I've tried 
all the fancy colored sets you can find, Accel, Motorcraft, Mopar, 
AC, and so on and so on...   The Jacobs wires are the best....

I may look into that module for Old Blue once I get other projects 
out of the way...

john
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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 23:09:43 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: joe, joe, joe...

> Yeah, plus it's one of the few automatics toy
> can push start an engine with. of course GM
> built it!
> 
> Joe-
> 
don't get me started... :-)

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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 23:18:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: ck1-at-pacbell.net
Subject: Shopping List: 1970 Wag

   OK...  There have been several really great responses to my posts
   for a glovebox door and radiator, so I thought I'd take a 'walk
   around' and see what else needs replacement.  If anyone has any
   of these items, please reply via e-mail with your asking price.

   I'm sure that after the rig gets back on the road and goes
   through a complete shakedown, I'll have more to add to the list.
   Also, there is a yard here locally that says they have a couple
   Full Size Jeeps, and as soon as 'Pinecone' gets OTRA, I'll be
   checking those out and posting more about what's available there.

   All items (unless otherwise noted) are for a 1970 Jeep Custom
   Wagoneer (1414C393#####).  The vehicle is a mid-forest green
   metallic exterior with tan pinstripe package, and the interior
   metal and upholstery are light tan colored.  The engine appears
   to be the V8-350 Dauntless 2-bbl model (as stated by the serial
   number series), although I haven't been able to get to the
   casting numbers yet to confirm this.

   BTW: Can someone tell me if there was an OEM power steering
        bracket available that DID NOT have the integrated mount
        for the Air-Conditioning compressor ?  I might consider a
        trade as I don't think I'll be putting the AC back in,
        because I'd have to replace MANY of the components.
        I'd like to clean up the engine compartment a bit, and
        getting this massive steel bracket out would be a BIG help.

   'The List' begins (episode one):

   1) OEM or direct replacement Radiator (complete unit) with mounts
      No holes please - already got one-o-dem :)
      Also Fan Shroud if you have it.
   2) Interior Rear View Mirror (head, stalk, and base) prefer OEM
      No worn out joints please (I have enough of those myself...)
   3) Arm Rests (all 4 doors) with mounting screws
   4) Dome Light Fixture and lens
   5) Ash Trays (front drivers and passengers - the ones above the
      glovebox) and mounting brackets/slides/fasteners
   6) TailGate Window Mechanical (Electric or Manual) Don't need Glass
   7) Hood Adjustment stops (the bolts with the rubber pads and
      plastic 'expand' nuts that fit in body
   8) Right Front Cornering lamp lens
   9) OEM Wheel covers with cutout in front for hubs
  10) HeadLight trim rings and fasteners
  11) Right Rear Taillight - Complete Lower Half housing/trim
  12) Wind Wing Frame - Drivers side (with good latch)
      I have good glass, but if the price is right will take all
  13) Defroster/Heater air output hoses
  14) Battery tray and hold-down clamps

   That's it for now.  Thanks for taking the time to look through
   this list, and please let me know via E-Mail if you have items.
   I apologize if the list is a bit hard to read, but I thought it
   excessive to put a blank line in between each item...

      |       All the Best to You and Yours,
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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 23:27:08 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: non-FSJ-List-Digest - Number 330

> >Boy does that ever bring back memories. For the trivia
> >championship of the week, what was the frequency of WLS?  Where
> >around "Chicagoland" did you grow up?
> >

890???   let's see WIVS (WCLR originally ) was 840 (I used to work 
there in HS)...   Crystal Lake...  

and what Channel on TV was WLS?  ;-)

for extra, extra credit - WHAT DID WLS STAND FOR?  :-)

I'm glad they were an AM station or I might never have discovered 
Rock 'n Roll... cause my Mustang only had an AM radio in it... :-)
  FM radio was just getting into playing albums...

So, what was the first album you ever bought?   I think for me it was 
Iron Butterfly's Inna-gadda-da-vida... :-)  at woolworth's.. :-)  
(I've got the cd version now... :-)

WLS is also why I'm a confirmed Paul Harvey junkie... :-)   My alarm 
clock is set to 5:30 am because that's when he's on in the morning 
here...  :-)

ah, memories...   wouldn't it be cool if we could "visit" back into 
history?   it would be cooler if we could bring back souvenirs... :-)

later,
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Date:  Fri, 23 May 1997 01:25:12 -0500
From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-mindspring.com>
Subject: re: non-fsj nasty part delete

At 09:19 PM 5/22/97 -0400, you wrote:
>
>	JOE!!!  This is a FAMILY CHANNEL!!!
>
>>
>>I LOVE those 44's!!!!  I aint talking about tires either
>>
>>
>
><grin>

Yeah, like the old Peter Gunn line..."she came to the
door with two 38's, and a gun in her hand!"

Joe-



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Date:  Fri, 23 May 1997 01:33:02 -0500
From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-mindspring.com>
Subject: 4 sale - rear deflector



I have a rear air deflector that I am not going to
use.  It's in good condition, I just bought it from
Jeff Gunn in Houston.  It's good quality chrome or
stainless.  

These things supposedly keep the back glass cleaner 
and it allows you to drive with rear window down and no
fumes.  Anyone interested in buying it?  Or trade for?

Let me know, still cleaning out the garage. For those needing
a good carb, soon I'll be selling a motorcraft 2100 or 2150,
I have both.  The 2100 was just rebuilt and is in excellant
condition. The 2150 needs a rebuild kit. The 2150 has the
altitude compensator on it.  They'll be available as soon as 
I get the 4 bl and Edelbrock installed.

C'ya
joe-



  




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Date:  Fri, 23 May 1997 00:08:19 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: tracking spreadsheet - on ORC

> > 
> > Hi all,
> > Have any of you run across any decent vehicle/maintenance/pn's
> > log software/shareware whatever?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > -jj
> 
> believe it or not, I use Excel to track all that stuff...   I can
> email a copy of one that you can use to build from...
> 
> john

java joe,

http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/jeep/fsj/maint-log.html

I used microsoft's IA in word to do this file, so if you don't look 
at the HTML code (cause I ain't, I know it's as ugly as sin...)
it's all yours... I'll also zip the excel file so you have the 
formulas, etc...

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Date:  Fri, 23 May 1997 00:11:50 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: mission impossible

>    This may sound like a dumb idea, but have you ever considered
>    sealing the
> sunroof so it doesn't leak at all, thus you wouldn't need those
> drain lines?
>  Is this a possability (I've got an aftermarket sunroof in mine, so
>  I have no
> idea what yours is like mechanically).

Not likely...   the problem comes when it's opened a little...  I've 
found that mine leaks around the j-clips for the wind deflector, I 
used a little bit of the foam weatherstrip tape and that seemed to 
stop it...  

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Date:  Fri, 23 May 1997 00:50:57 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: pumpkins...

> Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 18:20:14 -0500
> From: "Laurence Galle" <leg-at-datasync.com>
> Subject: Dana axles
> 
> I am about to change the oil in the differentials on my 89 GW.  It
> looks as if both the front and rear were sealed with RTV the last
> time someone had them open.  Is RTV OK?  Should there be a gasket
> there instead?
> 
> Thanks,
> Laurence
> 

RTV is fine.  Nothing is required.  Gear lube is thick enough that 
it's not a problem.   I 've not even had trouble with SYNTHETIC Gear 
Lube leaking out...   I use AMSOIL 75W90 in my axles...

later,
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Date:  Fri, 23 May 1997 00:54:05 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: FSJ-heritage pages, sounds good...

> Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 20:15:16 -0500
> From: "68 Wagoneer" <jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com>
> Subject: Re: Brooke Stevens....
> 
> Maybe we can get an "FSJ Heritage" page up or something. With pics
> of the "Wagonair" and other possible ancestors. Like an FSJ family
> tree!
> 
> =======================================
> Henry Padilla
> '68 Jeep Wagoneer
> Buick 350 thoughtfully installed by Kaiser

I"ve got a start already...   I put Brooks in the literature and 
history section...

The links are quite interesting...  I was disappointed that they 
didn't talk much about the Wagoneer (at all...)  The studebaker and 
the wiener mobile...

If you have something, send it and I'll build it...

ttyl,
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Date:  Fri, 23 May 1997 00:56:28 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: FSJ-List-Digest - axles 331

> Doc (or anyone), do you still need the 3.31s for the Dana 44?
> 
> =======================================
> Henry Padilla
> '68 Jeep Wagoneer
> Buick 350 thoughtfully installed by Kaiser
> jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com
> 

I think Old blue has a Dana 44 in the front...   AMC round cover in 
the back...   currently turning 2.72 gears...

how much do you want if you have a 3.31 for the front?

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Date:  Fri, 23 May 1997 00:59:21 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: Family ballistic charts...

>  JOE!!!  This is a FAMILY CHANNEL!!!
>  >
> >I LOVE those 44's!!!!  I aint talking about tires either

that's exactly why that very nice ballistic chart found it's way to 
the FSJ tech page... :-)    Hunters many of us be... others use
our FSJ's for getting into the back country to plink...

thanx for the info mr. brewer, however for your security, your name 
doesn't appear on that page... :-)   BUT we know who did it...

thanx.
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Date:  Fri, 23 May 1997 01:01:49 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: (Fwd)

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Date:          Thu, 22 May 1997 21:41:41 -1000 (HST)
From:          John Meister (FSJ Editor) <fsj-at-off-road.com>

additions or modifications since May 18, 1997 to the pages on 
Off-road.com Full-Size Jeep pages:
------------------------------------------------
FSJ-tech.html - multiple additions
comparisons.html - ballistics info for hunters
FSJ-feats.html - multiple additions
wake-zone.html - Eddies 1st trail run 1997
maint-log.html - example way to track fuel
literature.html - multiple additions
LOG.ZIP - example way to track fuel
brooks.stevens.html - info and links on the Wagoneer designer
FSJ-links.html - multiple additions
thistory.html - multiple additions on history
switchpitch.html - torque converter info
bananas.html - a little silliness
driveline.html - a new page to index tech
caught.html - the "first" TX-OK IFSJA meeting
engine.html - a new page to index tech
savefuel.html - Alise's how to save petrol
jacobswag.html - a nice 75 Wagoneer
FSJ-fotos.html - multiple additions
carb-howto.html - a detailed how to swap carbs.
wander.html - discussion on front ends
suspension.html - a new page to index tech
body.html - a new page to index tech
solder-weld.html - some info on soldering and welding
jeepcode.html - corrections to the jeepcodes
control-module.html - a how to test a computer...
elevation.html - effects of altitude on engines
electrical.html - a new page to index tech
rubi-kens.html - a pair of FSJ's take on the RUBICON
wag-test.html - a 1966 test report on the Wagoneer
index.html - multiple additions
w-rees83.html - Wallace Rees WAgoneer
jim-sterling.html - Jim Sterlings Cherokee
diesels-r-better.html - diesel info
DIESEL-convert.html - diesel info
fuel-injection-i6.html - instructions on MPI install
dblstuck.html - it happened on a rainy PNW day...
batteries.html - Joe Sego's tech article
brian-dl.html - FSJ Australlian Style
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Date:  Fri, 23 May 1997 11:46:22 -0700
From: Frank <falmaas-at-online.no>
Subject: Re: After Market ignition

GypsyLive-at-aol.com wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 97-05-22 10:09:28 EDT, you write:
> 
> >
> >     How about some info on the new ACCEL ignition system?  I'm debating
> >  getting a Jacobs in the next few months, does anybody have any good or bad
> >  stories about Jacobs?
> >
> Ive heard good and bad about jacobs, i cant see whats better about it than
> any other multi spark on the market..
> Except that it's not a multi spark like the MSD. It can fire more than 
one spark but only if its needed. The Jacobs senses the sparks of the 
plugs and uses a microprossesor to adjust the voltage of the coil. so if 
a cylinder needs little voltage to burn the mixture it will have that or 
if it needs much it will get that. (at least thats the theory very 
roughly explained) The MSD simply fires a bunch of sparks all the time 
hoping at least one of them lightends the air/fuel mixture. Something 
like ten hunters with shotguns shooting one duck. I have tried the MSD 
system and it did the same as my chrysler ignition, only at a higher 
price

Frank
Norway

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Date:  Fri, 23 May 1997 07:26:25 -0400
From: Jack Jacques <ozwine-at-dnet.net>
Subject: Re: nasty part non-fsj delete

> Somewhere in the garage I've got an old 22 from when I was a kid,
> Haven't
> shot it in years (but I do have a brother who has an entire assenal):)
>
> Just Kidding,
>
> Mike Saltsgaver.
>
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Folks,
As I go thru computer engineering(it's good to know that age and guile
can still beat young and quick in school, But that's another story) at
SWCC, my part time job is sporting goods at WallyWorld(WalMart). After I
returned from swampy Southeast Asia, I vowed I'd never handle another
firearm. In the next 33 years in an urban environment, my views were
validated.
After working at WW and meeting the folks who buy our rifles I've
changed my mind. These folks aren't killing there wives and Bambi,
they're hunting, teaching thier kids a culture, in the main, they handle
them with respect. The ones who want to buy automatic weapons for
"protection" still creep me out, but the hunter/fisher guys are cool.
BTW, there were a ton of turkeys(poultry version) up here. They're
coming back.

Jack


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Date:  Fri, 23 May 1997 07:28:03 -0400
From: Jack Jacques <ozwine-at-dnet.net>
Subject: Re: nasty part non-fsj delete

> Somewhere in the garage I've got an old 22 from when I was a kid,
> Haven't
> shot it in years (but I do have a brother who has an entire assenal):)
>
> Just Kidding,
>
> Mike Saltsgaver.
>
> ---------------------------------------------------

Folks,
As I go through computer engineering (it's good to know that age and
guile can still beat young and quick in school, but that's another
story) at SWCC, my part time job is sporting goods at
WallyWorld(WalMart). After I returned from swampy Southeast Asia, I
vowed I'd never handle another firearm. In the next 33 years in an urban
environment, my views were validated.
After working at WW and meeting the folks who buy our rifles I've
changed my mind. These folks aren't killing their wives and Bambi,
they're hunting, teaching their kids a culture, in the main, they handle
them with respect. The ones who want to buy automatic weapons for
"protection" still creep me out, but the hunter/fisher guys are cool.
BTW, there were a ton of turkeys(poultry version) up here. They're
coming back.

Jack


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Date:  Fri, 23 May 1997 07:29:38 -0400
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
Subject: gee...


	I guess I must need to take the time to actually READ messages....  I
thought he said he didn't want to hear about J-trucks!  SORRY!

	Anyway...  if ya don't want an SJ, then by all means get the Ford!  <grin>.

	Can y'all find it in your hearts to forgive me?  <smile>

>
>Get a grip, Doc.  The guy was asking about whether or not he should buy
>a J-truck.  Are you trying to say that TIMEX isn't an FSJ?.....I didn't
>think so.
>

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Date:  Fri, 23 May 1997 07:42:38 -0400
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
Subject: razza fragga kronkin'....


	I don't get it....  still won't idle, but she DEFINITELY has more power
than before.  LOTS more, it seems like.  I did find a vacuum leak last
night, evidentally I must have more.  Just got home from work, will take a
look after she cools down.

	Starter problems I told y'all about:  wierd stuff...  starter works once
or twice, then kronks up.  Won't engage at all!  Pull starter, re-install
starter without doing a kronking thing to it.  Works fine.  Once.  Next
time, crunch zing bang.  Time after that, crunch zing bang wheeeeeeeeee! no
work.  Pull starter, re-install starter without doing a kronking thing to
it.  Works fine.  Once.  Next time, crunch zing bang.  Time after that,
crunch zing bang wheeeeeeeeee! no work.  Pull starter, re-install starter
without doing a kronking thing to it.  etc. etc. etc...  Starter going back
to Pep Boys in a little while, after they open, and after the exhaust cools.

	Neat dumb SJ owner trick this morning...  was at the light right around
the corner from the house, stalled.  Starter no workie.  Got out of truck
to ask kind soul behind me to give me a push (thank God I don't like autos,
eh?).  He says ok, I walk back up to Timex.  Door locked.  I guess I really
do need to take that kronking lock apart and fix the spring, eh?  Good
thing I habitually drive with the vent window open.  Had to swing mirror
out of way to open vent far enough to reach arm in to ignition and grab
keys.  With traffic inches from my butt.  And of course the ignition switch
isn't quite as easy to operate, especially the key release lever, with your
arm twisted behind your back, reaching over the steering column, etc,
etc....  sheesh.

	And y'all wanna mess with me about ONE little message...............  the
FSJ god is getting me good this week....

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Date:  Fri, 23 May 1997 06:45:52 -0500
From: brewer-at-thaad.tecmas.com (John Brewer)
Subject: Re: 4 sale - rear deflector

>I have a rear air deflector that I am not going to
>use.  It's in good condition, I just bought it from
>Jeff Gunn in Houston.  It's good quality chrome or
>stainless.
>
>These things supposedly keep the back glass cleaner
>and it allows you to drive with rear window down and no
>fumes.  Anyone interested in buying it?  Or trade for?

I'd like it if the price is right!  I have no idea what to offer though.
Let me know.

John Brewer


"Any man who would trade liberty for security deserves neither."
   Benjamin Franklin



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Date:  Fri, 23 May 1997 08:46:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: GypsyLive-at-aol.com
Subject: Re: After Market ignition

In a message dated 97-05-23 04:28:51 EDT, you write:

>    Do ACCELL or HOLLY ignition systems have the ability to add on an in-cab
>  ignition adjustment like the MSD 6A (?) does?  It'd be kinda nice for
towing
>  a heavy trailer if I could adjust the timing in-cab.
>  
i havent seen any of these systems for an fsj that would do that...

i know MSD has timing boxes, But arent they for tehir billet Distributers,
and HEI only?


cya

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Date:  Fri, 23 May 1997 08:59:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: GypsyLive-at-aol.com
Subject: Re: After Market ignition

In a message dated 97-05-23 08:23:45 EDT, you write:

> I have tried the MSD 
>  system and it did the same as my chrysler ignition, only at a higher 
>  price
>  
>  Frank
>  Norway
So is that Chrysler ignition Multiple spark?

and why in the HECK would I want an ignition that didnt fire multiple times
full blast, all the time?



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Date:  Fri, 23 May 1997 09:02:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: GypsyLive-at-aol.com
Subject: Re: gee...

In a message dated 97-05-23 08:55:29 EDT, you write:

> 
>  	I guess I must need to take the time to actually READ messages....  I
>  thought he said he didn't want to hear about J-trucks!  SORRY!
>  
>  	Anyway...  if ya don't want an SJ, then by all means get the Ford!
 <grin>.
>  
>  	Can y'all find it in your hearts to forgive me?  <smile>
>  
We will think it over, whether or not to forgive that is....hehe

So whats up with soon to EARN a different name TIMEX?

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Date:  Fri, 23 May 1997 08:11:38 -0500
From: Greg Harper <freezer-at-indy.webbits.net>
Subject: Re: Greg Harper

At 10:39 PM 5/22/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Greg,
>  Sorry to mail you over the list like this, but I can't find you
>address anywhere.  I got your check, and I'm putting your parts book in
>the mail tomorrow (Friday).  
>
>Zack Heisey
>'79 J-10
>'79 Cherokee Chief Wide Track
>
>
>
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> 
>
>
OOPS !

I just sent the email and then went into todays new email and found this !

Anyway, here's my address in case that's what you meant.

Greg Harper
1007 S. Lincoln Ave.
Grand Island, NE  68801-6672
freezer-at-bts.webbits.net

But I'll bet you didn't have my email address !

Please forgive, Oh Mighty FSJ List

Thanks, 
Greg


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Date:  Fri, 23 May 1997 09:34:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: GypsyLive-at-aol.com
Subject: Re: Last questions ;-)

In a message dated 97-05-23 01:52:18 EDT, you write:

> 
>  3) The rear seat easy to remove? (Gotta have room for all my toys when I
go
>  to the beach).
>  
VERY...tilt forward, then slide whole seat forward, then spin longways and
shoot out the tailgate... ( really hard if your tailgate window does not work
though!)


cya!

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Date:  Fri, 23 May 1997 09:06:22 -0500
From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: After Market ignition

At 01:07 AM 5/23/97 -0400, you wrote:
>   Do ACCELL or HOLLY ignition systems have the ability to add on an in-cab
>ignition adjustment like the MSD 6A (?) does?  It'd be kinda nice for towing
>a heavy trailer if I could adjust the timing in-cab.

I have a MSD 6A unit, it has an inside control for
timing advance/retard, my question...how does this work?
Obviously it doesn't turn the distributor :-)

C'ya
Joe-



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