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Date:  Sat, 24 May 1997 01:56:22 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: coming soon...

I'm working on BERT's J20  - 36 pictures of a frame
up restoration...

I'm also working on David Klingenberg's page.

I've made a contact sheet for both and need to develop the maps.

Sorry about the delay Bert.   I'm working hard at getting caught up.
I don't even remember when you sent it...

IF you can't wait to see it you can view it here:
http://rubicon.off-road.com/4x4web/jeep/fsj/BUILD/BERT

David, if you want to see yours, it's one directory above Bert's in
Build...

I need to do some repair work on all the rolling stock on the 
premises...  I'll try to get those pictures mapped and coded later
tomorrow.  I'm exhausted, it's 2am and I haven't slept more than 4 
hours any night this week...   But I am getting caught up and it 
feels wonderful...

Thanx again folks for your patience.   Brad  I also need to scan in 
that better picture.  And the pictures of Old Blue meeting Cherokee 
America...   It's kind of funny, all those seriously lifted xj's and 
they were as tall as Old Blue...  And Old Blue looks short next to 
Brad's rig... :-)

I was gonna say something else... forgot...  oh well...

ttyl,
john meister
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Date:  Sat, 24 May 1997 02:16:51 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: a 68 super?  RON Strouss & Ken Wetherall, hello?

Ken,

I may have stumbled onto a 68 super.  Buick 350, th400,dana 20,
teal, console...

the guys has the heads in a shop... I could call and confirm the 
model number tomorrow...  he's down in seattle, just north of 
Greenlake, probably not far from Ron's.    Maybe Ron could call and 
save me the long distance and keep me from buying another FSJ.. :-)

phone 206.526.0996   930 North 87th...  Peter.

If I go and look, I'll probably want it... :-)

He'd take around $1,200 right now, closer to $1,500 if he finishes 
the motor...  The heads are in ACtion Machine.

It was in the little nickel want ads.   Said he put seats from a GW 
in it.   I'd love to have the console... :-)

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Date:  Sat, 24 May 1997 02:19:52 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: snail mail

> John, send me your snail mail address & I'll send you some good
> pic's on the Studebaker Wagonaire  There are good 3/4 shots which
> really show the comparison between it & the fsj.
> 
> Mike Saltsgaver.

john meister
clearview consulting
14809 State Route  9 SE
Snohomish, WA 98296

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Date:  Sat, 24 May 1997 02:26:47 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: non-fSJ -  southeast asia

>  After I
> >returned from swampy Southeast Asia, I vowed I'd never handle another
> >firearm. In the next 33 years in an urban environment, my views were
> >validated.

I was in the last basic training company to receive the National 
Defense Service medal...   I'm a disabled Viet Nam Era Veteran.   I 
missed all the nasty stuff, I volunteered at age 17 and had over  a 
year's worth of electronics training...  Saigon fell while I was 
finishing school... then I went to Germany and got to experience 
terrorist bombs...    Lots of my friends served over in Nam, some of 
them are still affected by it.

Out of all the folks I know that served, you are an exeception in not 
wanting anything to do with guns.   Every vet I know has several with 
plenty of ammo...   Many hunt, others just enjoy shooting and many of 
us have concealed weapons permits and carry all the time.   

Anyway, thanx for serving, and thanx for sharing. 

later,
john


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Date:  Sat, 24 May 97 03:23:37 PDT
From: "Alisa Mize" <jaamize-at-nwlink.com>
Subject: Re: PNW - FSJ fest #2 over the 4th of July weekend - 5th???



 hi John,
sure I am up for it if rufus is still kicking<BG>
 we had to be towed home tonight, the
radiator hose blew out.(just luv aaa)
 I tell yah I thought the Kronkin' thing
 had done blew up water steam green
 eeeveerrryyywhere.
people thought rufus was on FIRE is
how bad it was. I think on tuesday I
will ask my mechanic to replace all
the hoses. I think the jeepgods were kicking
me in the teeth. I got my sheepdog dash
ornament tonight.
Had yah, thought about the olympic penisula?
like meet at fort worden (parking, beach and
bbq facilitys)and go up in to the mountains
from there. some of those forest roads up
around darrington are a hoot but if we get even
7 fsj's can you imagine if you had to try to turn
around? yah know how those roads get.
very narrow cliffs on either side and a 10'
diameter tree right across the road :)
Alisa


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Date:  Sat, 24 May 97 03:32:09 PDT
From: "Alisa Mize" <jaamize-at-nwlink.com>
Subject: Re: Shopping



----------
>
>    Alisa,
>
>         I certainly HOPE not - that sound mighty 'hard' (pun)!!! :(
>
>    BTW: The name "jaamize" I've only heard one other time, in a
>         very cool movie called "Enemy Mine".  Is that where you
>         got it from, or have I said something totally stoooopid
>         and need to free my foot ? :)
I have never heard of the movie:) you do have me curious in
what vein did it appear, was it actually someones name?
It is our user name for our network my husbands name
is James my name is Alisa our last name is Mize
so the j is for james the a is for and  the next a for my
name and then mize
Alisa


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Date:  Sat, 24 May 1997 05:00:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: ck1-at-pacbell.net
Subject: Re: Shopping List

Hi Zack,

   I seem to remember something of your post, but I thought there was
   another 'fellow lister' that had 'dibs' :)

   The colors don't really matter THAT much, except that I don't think
   bright-chartrouse <sp?) arm rests would blend in very well on a tan
   door panel <grin> (you get the idea...)

   As for the gate mechanics, the gears are there but the motor and
   bushings are toast, plus - I don't have a key that fits the switch,
   so I figured that the easiest might be to convert to crank with a
   complete set of 'guts'.  If there are MAJOR differences in the
   mounting locations for the hand-crank components, then I suppose
   it COULD be easier to replace the electric (motor, op-switch, limit
   and emergency stop switchs, bushings, drive gears, etc...) parts
   that are BO now.

   I live in the extreme North (SF) Bay area of California, just No
   of the Napa Valley Wine Country (ie Calistoga).  My zip is 95461.

   Hope you have some nice sunshine.  We had some really warm (105)
   temps last week, but it's been really dreary and cooler (70's)
   this week and rained a bit yesterday and night before.
   A nice temp for this area is the mid 80's to low 90's, as it
   brings some of the moisture up from the stream, but unfortunately
   it ALSO brings in the swarms of blood-suckers from the puddles.


All the Best,
                Bruce * kb6lwn * ck1-at-pacbell.net * 707-987-4737

... 1970 Jeep Wagoneer (1414C) V8-350 4WD "Pinecone"

Net-Tamer V 1.08X - Test Drive


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Date:  Sat, 24 May 97 05:29:00 PDT
From: "Alisa Mize" <jaamize-at-nwlink.com>
Subject: Re: PNW - FSJ fest #2 over the 4th of July weekend - 5th???


Just had another Idea how about Mt Rainer?


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Date:  Sat, 24 May 1997 08:18:25 -0400
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
Subject: still more about 351Ms

>Some parts are interchangeable with each other, (351/400M), but not with a
>351C/W.  I have two of them, in two different trucks and the parts for them
>are somewhat  specific.  Another "Better Idea", I suppose, but I think they
>were modified to increase the torque in a small block truck motor.  I don't
>know if any "M's" were factory installed in cars.  

	The heads are interchangeable between the 400, 351C, 351M, but not the
351W.  You could use 351M or 400 heads on a 351C with some modifications
(but WHY???), but not vice-versa (the 351C heads will NOT fit the 351M or
400). The 351M crank is interchangeable with the 351W, and will also go
into the 302, but not the 351C or 400.  The intake manifold is
interchangeable with the 400, but nothing else.  The valve train is common
to the rest of the "335" series motors.  The cam is interchangeable with
the 400 and nothing else.  The rods are unique to this motor, as are the
pistons.

	The ENTIRE purpose of the existance of the 351M was to meet demand for a
351 engine in both Ford cars and trucks, they were used extensively in
both.  The 351C met it's demise in 1973 because of high emissions.  The
351M, and the 400 both have lots and lots and lots of pollution control
devices to (barely) meet federal standards of the time.  Why they didn't
just apply the changed heads to the 351C, I dunno.  Could possibly be that
the 351C went away in '73, and the 351M I think appeared in '75.

	Mandatory FSJ content:  You couldn't pay me enough to put a 351M or 400
into MY FSJ.

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Date:  Sat, 24 May 1997 08:21:43 -0400
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
Subject: re: wish me luck....  DOC!

>Doc (or anyone), do you still need the 3.31s for the Dana 44?

	Ah, if I could get hold of a matching 3.31 for the AMC 20, then I'd be
glad to take 'em off your hands...  

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Date:  Sat, 24 May 1997 08:29:22 -0400
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
Subject: vacuum

>What is the difference in ported vacuum and regular (?) vacuum?


	manifold vacuum...  taken from anywhere below the throttle plates, vacuum
varies inversely with throttle opening / load...  i.e., mash the gas,
vacuum goes down.  Let off gas, vacuum goes up.

	ported vacuum...  taken from above the throttle plates, in the venturi...
signal varies proportionally to load...  i.e., the further open the
throttle, the higher the ported vacuum signal:  mash the gas, vacuum goes
up, let off gas, vacuum goes down.


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Date:  Sat, 24 May 1997 09:37:43 -0400
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
Subject: amsoil air filters

>doc, if you used that oil soaked foam element I suggested it wouldn't 
>be an issue...  :-)

	John, you're absolutely right...  I probably would've sucked water or goo
into the motor years ago if I'd used one of 'em...  I'll stick with K&N,
thank you very much.  Ya wanna trust your motor to Amsoil, fine, but not
me.  Remember, John...  we're talking mud, goo, water, and such, such as
you've most likely never seen in your entire life.  In addition to salt at
the beach, and dust and silt out west.  How many professional off-roaders
use Amsoil filters?  How many K&N?  Give ya a hint...  very few, and damn
near all, in that order.  True, they're a pain in the butt to clean and
oil, but it really ain't that big a deal, once you ruin one figuring out
how to do it correctly...  and then read the directions...  <grin>.  And
then there's the million mile warranty.  True, they take a special oil, and
a special cleaner (you can use dish soap, but the K&N cleaner works FAR,
FAR better, and doesn't damage the filter like caustic cleaners, such as
Purple Stuff).

	And it isn't THAT difficult to maintain them once you get used to it.
Take a pan, fill it to about 2/3 the depth of the pleats (holding filter
vertical), roll the filter in the solution (or you can use a spray bottle
and saturate the filter that way), let sit for ten minutes or so, rinse out
from the inside with tap water.  Shake off the excess water, let it dry
overnight or so (that's why I keep a spare paper filter), then oil and go.
I've filled my air cleaner damn near full of water more than once, and
never has a drop of water gotten past the filter.  I ain't about to gamble
now...  you take your truck and your Amsoil filter and come play in the
woods with me...  oh, bring your Visa card, too, because Joe's Engine
Rebuilders doesn't take American Express...



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Date:  Sat, 24 May 1997 09:16:01 -0500
From: "Jeff Hess" <jhess169-at-edgerton.mn.frontiercomm.net>
Subject: Re: 700r4's...


 
> Sounds like the tranny had a full re-build. The 83's were not well built
> and could not tolerate the overwhelming torque of G.M.'s 2.8l. I also
> didn't think they put the 700R4 (4L60) behind a V8 but used the 4L80
> instead.
> 
> Now how do I make this an FSJ post? Oh I know, I'm glad AMC didn't use
> the 700R4 in FSJ's.
> 
> Gord

I have a 83 Chevy diesel with a 700R4.  It was a lot better transmission
than the 83 Wagoneer limited that I had with the 727.  The Chevy has only
175K miles, while the Wagoneer had 225K when I sold it.  The tranny in the
Wag was rebuilt twice over about 6 months time, but it never really felt
solid.

The 727 in my 88 GW is great.  It shifts much better than the one in the
83.  I think that possible all transmissions in 83 were weak.


Jeff Hess
1988 Grand Wagoneer 
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Date:  Sat, 24 May 1997 07:17:14 -0700
From: Joe Schaefer <jeep-at-olympus.net>
Subject: Re: AMC 20 info. from the AMC List

>
> I agree with Tom Beech's post about the confusion on gear ratio swapping for
>the AMC 20 rear (Thanks Tom for summarizing!). I am still unclear if you can
>'move up' to a 3.xx series of ring and pinnion gear if you have a 2.xx series
>carrier. I called Reider Racing and the guy I talked to there said that *he
>thought* that the cut off in gear/carriers was 3.08. That is, gears for the
>AMC20 rear below a ratio of 3.08:1 use one carrier and gears of 3.08:1 and
>above use another carrier. Does any one have any experience with this??
>

I can't tell you where the carrier line is drawn but's below 3.54. I've got
3.54's in cj (amc20) and I'm going to 4.10's without a carrier change.
Again I don't know about the AMC but for a d30 the carrier is about
$75-$125 depending on w/wo spiders.

So if you plan to go from 2.72's to at least 3.54's, plan on a carrier
change. Just my opinion but going to anything higher (numerically lower)
wouldn't be worth the expense especially if you then run big tires, you'll
just about end up back where you started.
If you do plan to run tall later, plan ahead mathematically before a r&p
change so you really do get the finale 'true' axle ratio desired.

Regards,
-jj

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Date:  Sat, 24 May 1997 08:09:20 PDT
From: "wallace rees" <seerlaw-at-hotmail.com>
Subject: a few re.

Hi
   John, I have to pick my daughter up in Seattle, so if I can make some arri.  
by the 4th, I will be there, what ever  location you guys want.  Sounds like 
fun.  Is that hwy.2 from spokane a good road, to keep a good speed, without too 
much law enforcement.
   Joe, I requested 3 stickers, I was the one who send 10 in cash, maybe it did 
not make it.
   Micheal, I put Detroit ez locker in my rear 20, which is the same as the Loc 
Right.   It was easy.  It took about 2 hrs, in 20 degree weather.  There was a 
vast improvment in traction.  I take it a little easier going around cornors,in 
the snow, you can do 360 on a dime and I sometime hear chatter when it unlocks 
around cornors.  Cost was 224.00 for the unit and another 10.00 for slick 50 
gear lube.  I read a artic. on this club that did a wheeling in the snow and a 
Cherokee with one of those ez lockers in the front, I did not think that was 
very drivable on the street.  Any ideas if that works, I think it would be 
great. 
    Dave, I would be greatful if you would send the info. on the steering wheel 
shaft  fix, I must have missed that one.
    I just finished the artical on the rebuild of a amc 360 in 4wheel and off 
road in the june mag, on page 165 and I had question on when they put the intake 
gaskets on.  Did they or didn't put a valley pan under the intake or don't you 
have to run the valley pan any more, I think they are a pain and cost too much, 
25.00 here.  When I rebuild, the mags. short block and mine will be the same, 
I'll change a few thing with rest of the engine.
    I was on my way home from work the other day.  I was stoped at a stop lite 
and a nice looling ford 4x4  turned the cornor going by me and I was checking 
his veh. out, this guy driving was checking my veh. but he yelled out the window 
" Nice looking outfit".  I kinda mumbled" yours too", boy that blew me away.   
That put a smile on my face all the way home. 

W. Rees
83 FSJ                             If you have to drive, drive a FSJ 
    
    
    


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Date:  Sat, 24 May 1997 10:32:04 -0500 (CDT)
From: chrissy saltsgaver <chrissys-at-midwest.net>
Subject: Re: Shopping

At 12:54 AM 5/24/97 -0700, you wrote:
>   Alisa,
>
>        I certainly HOPE not - that sound mighty 'hard' (pun)!!! :(
>
>   BTW: The name "jaamize" I've only heard one other time, in a
>        very cool movie called "Enemy Mine".  Is that where you
>        got it from, or have I said something totally stoooopid
>        and need to free my foot ? :)
>  
Like a moron, I took a first date to see that film (I forgot to check the
listings before hand).  She wasn't into Sci-Fi, needless to say it was our
only date :O

Mike Saltsgaver.


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Date:  Sat, 24 May 1997 10:53:30 -0500 (CDT)
From: chrissy saltsgaver <chrissys-at-midwest.net>
Subject: Re: 700r4's...


  The tranny in the
>Wag was rebuilt twice over about 6 months time, but it never really felt
>solid.
>
>The 727 in my 88 GW is great.  It shifts much better than the one in the
>83.  I think that possible all transmissions in 83 were weak.
>
>
I seem to remember a conversation with a former AMC dealer telling me the
same thing about '83 automatics.  Can anyone else confirm?

Mike Saltsgaver. 


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Date:  Sat, 24 May 1997 08:59:46 -0700
From: Joe Schaefer <jeep-at-olympus.net>
Subject: Re: a few re.

At 08:09 24-05-97 PDT, you wrote:
>Hi
>   John, I have to pick my daughter up in Seattle, so if I can make some
arri.  
>by the 4th, I will be there, what ever  location you guys want.  Sounds like 
>fun.  Is that hwy.2 from spokane a good road, to keep a good speed,
without too 
>much law enforcement.

W. Rees,

Hwy 2 is a good road. Be careful around Spokane and again when nearing
Waterville. Be cool from there to Wenatchee.
From Wenatchee to Leavenworth DON'T SPEED AT ALL...That's probably the
heaviest patrolled strip of hwy in WA (I used to live there).
Keep in mind it's a holiday and there'll be more cops than usual
everywhere. WA speeding tickets are $$$$$$$.

I don't remember where you'll be coming from, Idaho Falls? The most scenic
route is hwy 20 if you have the time. Run 395 north from Spokane to
Colville (70 miles) then hwy 20 west. You bypass all the wheat fields of
central WA. 

Have it good trip.

Regards,
-jj



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Date:  Sat, 24 May 1997 13:04:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: GypsyLive-at-aol.com
Subject: Re: last questions

In a message dated 97-05-23 16:40:00 EDT, you write:

> >VERY...tilt forward, then slide whole seat forward, then spin longways and
>  >shoot out the tailgate... ( really hard if your tailgate window does not 
> work
>  >though!)
>  
>  	Just tilt, lift, and slide sideways out the door!
>  
SORRY, I forgot, MINE is a 2 door.....in the case foa  4 door, DOC is correct
GO OUT THE DOOR!

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Date:  Sat, 24 May 1997 13:33:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: UtahMlmn-at-aol.com
Subject: Re:S.M.A. 351Ms

	The ENTIRE purpose of the existance of the 351M was to meet demand for a
351 engine in both Ford cars and trucks, they were used extensively in
both.  The 351C met it's demise in 1973 because of high emissions.  The
351M, and the 400 both have lots and lots and lots of pollution control
devices to (barely) meet federal standards of the time.  Why they didn't
just apply the changed heads to the 351C, I dunno.  Could possibly be that
the 351C went away in '73, and the 351M I think appeared in '75.

Sorry, Doc.  I was offering my understanding of why the M was there, which
was because I thought they were Modified 351 engines.  I suppose it could
mean More polutioncontroldevicesto barelymeetfederalstandardsofthetime.  I
wonder if Mr. Ford had a relative named Marv?

John
UtahMlmn

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Date:  Sat, 24 May 1997 13:44:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: Chrisharon-at-aol.com
Subject: AMC 360 hi-torque buildup in 4X4 mag...

   I just caught a glimpse of an AMC 360 hi-torque buildup in some 4 X 4
magazine in the supermarket tonight.  It was the 3rd and final article on
this buildup.  Would anybody on the list happen to subscribe to this magazine
and be willing to send me a photocopy of all 3 articles???  If so, great.  If
not, thanks anyway!

'78 Cherokee, 360, TH-400, Q-track, 33"

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Date:  Sat, 24 May 1997 13:59:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: GypsyLive-at-aol.com
Subject: Re: AMC 360 hi-torque buildup in 4X4 mag...

I caught the same article (  only last installment also)
it didnt seem to have just a whole lot of NON-basic tips to be truthful, I
was excited, then slightly letdown...so maybe the first 2 articles were
better...



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Date:  Sat, 24 May 1997 11:32:31 -0700
From: David Klingenberg <kling914-at-uidaho.edu>
Subject: re: '62-'72 Parts book


Zack Please add me to the parts book list.

David Klingenberg
davidk-at-uidaho.edu

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Date:  Sat, 24 May 1997 00:24:07 -0400
From: Zack Heisey <moosh-at-redrose.net>
Subject: '62-'72 Parts Book

Hey guys,
  Finally have a chance to get back on this other parts book.  The
current list of people interested are:
SuperKen
Tom Taylor
Joe Schaefer
Kevin LaRue
Bruce (1414)
Brad (bks-at-co.intel.com)
Landen Schooler
SuperKen
Bill McBride
ScO
Henry Padilla
Tony Hanson
Alan Wysocki
SuperKen (he's real interested)

That's twelve altogether, so I'll get a price based on 10, and we'll go
from there.  I'll swing by the printers tomorrow, and I'll let you know
what I find out.  If anyone else wants to get on this list, let me
know.  The more we get, the cheaper each copy will be.  Take care,

Zack Heisey
'79 J-10
'79 Cherokee Chief Wide Track


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Date:  Sat, 24 May 97 11:45:30 PDT
From: "Alisa Mize" <jaamize-at-nwlink.com>
Subject: Re: Shopping


these days it seems that sci fi in the movies
no longer means science fiction, it really
means horror in space :)  I guess "Dune"
killed all hope for the true thing.
what a shame,
Alisa

> Like a moron, I took a first date to see that film (I forgot to check =
the
> listings before hand).  She wasn't into Sci-Fi, needless to say it was =
our
> only date :O
>
> Mike Saltsgaver.
>
>
>


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Date:  Sat, 24 May 1997 13:19:06 PDT
From: "wallace rees" <seerlaw-at-hotmail.com>
Subject: Re. 360 artic.

Chris.

       I sub. to 4wheel and off road.  I keep the mags. That was a great artical 
and I will use most of the info. when I do my engine.
If you put down your address I'll dig up the info. and send to you.  Do you know 
if you can run those engines w/out a valley pan.

W.Rees
83 FSJ                          If you have to drive, drive a FSJ




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Date:  Sat, 24 May 1997 16:32:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: GypsyLive-at-aol.com
Subject: Re: Re. 360 artic.

In a message dated 97-05-24 16:31:04 EDT, you write:

> Do you know 
>  if you can run those engines w/out a valley pan.
>  
YES, mine hasnt had one for a couple of years, I plan to dig one up when I
add the 4 bbl manifold though ( I cant tell any difference with or without,
but I figure its there for a reason)

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Date:  Sat, 24 May 1997 14:23:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: ck1-at-pacbell.net
Subject: Enemy Mine (NON-FSJ)

   >Like a moron, I took a first date to see that film (I forgot to
   >check the listings before hand).  She wasn't into Sci-Fi, needless
   >to say it was our only date :O

Hey..  It worked out right though..  You later met Chrissy !!!  :)

All the Best,
                Bruce * kb6lwn * ck1-at-pacbell.net * 707-987-4737

... 1970 Jeep Wagoneer (1414C) V8-350 4WD "Pinecone"

Net-Tamer V 1.08X - Test Drive


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Date:  Sat, 24 May 1997 15:37:35 -0600
From: CARNES  JASON A <Jason.Carnes-at-Colorado.EDU>
Subject: Re: AMC 360 hi-torque buildup in 4X4 mag...


I have the last two articles, but I missed the first one. If anyone
has a copy of the first article, I'd love to have it. Anybody who
wants photocopies of the last two can e-mail me...

Jason Carnes '88 GW

I just caught a glimpse of an AMC 360 hi-torque buildup in some 4 X 4
magazine in the supermarket tonight.  It was the 3rd and final article on
this buildup.  Would anybody on the list happen to subscribe to this magazine
and be willing to send me a photocopy of all 3 articles???  If so, great.  If
not, thanks anyway!

'78 Cherokee, 360, TH-400, Q-track, 33"

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Date:  Sat, 24 May 1997 18:19:46 -0500
From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Re. 360 artic.

At 01:19 PM 5/24/97 PDT, you wrote:
>Chris.
>
>       I sub. to 4wheel and off road.  I keep the mags. That was a great
artical 
>and I will use most of the info. when I do my engine.
>If you put down your address I'll dig up the info. and send to you.  Do
you know 
>if you can run those engines w/out a valley pan.
>
>W.Rees
>83 FSJ                          If you have to drive, drive a FSJ
>
Hey can I get on that mailing list too?  
I looked for those mgs here but never found them :-(


C'ya
joe-


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Date:  Sat, 24 May 1997 16:30:47 +0000
From: "William S. McBride" <wmmcb-at-televar.com>
Subject: Re: Oily air filters

The AMC 327 in my 68 Kaiser/Willys Wagoneer has a rear distributor and  
a "valley pan" (actually the valve lifter cover plate) which is 
exposed beneath the intake manifold.  This is one big piece of iron.

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Date:  Sat, 24 May 1997 16:40:47 +0000
From: "William S. McBride" <wmmcb-at-televar.com>
Subject: Re: please explain

ported vacuum (or throttle ported vacuum) refers to a vacuum which 
connects to the induction system above the throttle plate.  Because of 
its location and the fact that the vacuum signal is related to 
throttle opening, ported vacuum is used for devices which operate when 
the engine is off idle (like most vacuum advance units and EGR 
valves).

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Date:  Sat, 24 May 1997 16:56:12 +0000
From: "William S. McBride" <wmmcb-at-televar.com>
Subject: Re: PNW - FSJ Fest #2 - July 5, 1997

I am on call through Tues so I won't be getting out of Wenatchee this 
w/e.  I am planning on the 4th if anyone else is interested.  I've got 
to run.  A guy with a 71 J-4000 just called me back to come over and 
check it out. I had to promise the wife I won't buy it without talking 
it over with her.  If I can get a deal on it (asking $1650) I will 
probably have to get rid of one of my other toys before she'll let me 
buy it.

Bill McBride
1968 J - 100

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Date:  Sat, 24 May 1997 17:24:15 PDT
From: "wallace rees" <seerlaw-at-hotmail.com>
Subject: Thanks


  To those who severed and are now serving in the military ,THANKS.   
  Hope you all enjoy your holiday.
  
  W. Rees
  83 FSJ                   If you have to drive, drive a FSJ


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Date:  Sat, 24 May 1997 18:43:19 -0700
From: Joe Schaefer <jeep-at-olympus.net>
Subject: Re: Thanks

At 17:24 24-05-97 PDT, you wrote:
>
>  To those who severed and are now serving in the military ,THANKS.   
>  Hope you all enjoy your holiday.
>  
>  W. Rees

Thank you sir, you also.
-jj

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Date:  Sat, 24 May 1997 20:47:12 -0500 (CDT)
From: chrissy saltsgaver <chrissys-at-midwest.net>
Subject: Re: Re. 360 artic.

At 04:32 PM 5/24/97 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 97-05-24 16:31:04 EDT, you write:
>
>> Do you know 
>>  if you can run those engines w/out a valley pan.
>>  
>YES, mine hasnt had one for a couple of years, I plan to dig one up when I
>add the 4 bbl manifold though ( I cant tell any difference with or without,
>but I figure its there for a reason)
>
>
This is a heat shield which keeps the oil splash from contacting the bottom
of the manifold.  The bottom becomes very hot due to the heat crossover.
The oil that comes into contact with it "burns" & can contaminate your oil.
Peel the other shield from the bottom of a stock manifold & notice the
charcoal in there.



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Date:  Sat, 24 May 1997 21:02:29 -0700
From: Eric Faust <eric-at-inet1.inetworld.net>
Subject: Re: Thanks

wallace rees wrote:
> 
>   To those who severed and are now serving in the military ,THANKS.
>   Hope you all enjoy your holiday.
> 
>   W. Rees
>   83 FSJ                   If you have to drive, drive a FSJ
> 

You are most welcome!

Eric Faust '89 Grand Wagoneer (and '96 Guided Missile Destroyer!)


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Date:  Sat, 24 May 1997 21:21:27 -0400
From: Rick Miale <miale-at-miale.org>
Subject: Where is it going?

My vehicle is "losing" water. It's not in the oil...and it doesn't seem to
be showing up in the exhaust or on the ground below after I park it.

Any ideas? After I add water and drive the temp climbs fast.

Bad thermo?
Rick Miale
Sales Manager
UpTime Computer Services, Inc.
2 Westwood Place
Asheville, North Carolina 28806-4225
704.252.4777
rick-at-uptime-csi.com or rick-at-miale.org

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Date:  Sun, 25 May 1997 00:23:05 -0500
From: "68 Wagoneer" <jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com>
Subject: Re: air deflector-ANOTHER ONE!

Wow. That's encouraging. I have an air deflector off of the '72 parts Wag
that I'd like to sell; good condition except for the fake woodgrain needs
replacing. Anyone want to buy it? Joe, what's the going price for one of
these?

=======================================
Henry Padilla
'68 Jeep Wagoneer
Buick 350 thoughtfully installed by Kaiser
jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com

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> From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-mindspring.com>
> To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com>
> Subject: air deflector
> Date: Friday, May 23, 1997 3:10 PM
> 
> 
> 
> Wow that was a popular item, it is/was sold this morning.
> Wish I had 12 more of them! It's going to Utah.
> 
> C'ya
> joe-
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Date:  Sun, 25 May 1997 00:25:49 -0500
From: "68 Wagoneer" <jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com>
Subject: Re: FSJ-List-Digest - axles 331-JOHN!

I'd like $25, which is half of what I paid for the 3.73s.

=======================================
Henry Padilla
'68 Jeep Wagoneer
Buick 350 thoughtfully installed by Kaiser
jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com

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> From: john meister <john-at->
> To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com>
> Subject: Re: FSJ-List-Digest - axles 331
> Date: Thursday, May 22, 1997 7:56 PM
> 
> > Doc (or anyone), do you still need the 3.31s for the Dana 44?
> > 
> > =======================================
> > Henry Padilla
> > '68 Jeep Wagoneer
> > Buick 350 thoughtfully installed by Kaiser
> > jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com
> > 
> 
> I think Old blue has a Dana 44 in the front...   AMC round cover in 
> the back...   currently turning 2.72 gears...
> 
> how much do you want if you have a 3.31 for the front?
> 
> john meister
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Date:  Sun, 25 May 1997 00:28:14 -0500
From: "68 Wagoneer" <jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com>
Subject: Re: Henry P.

Ok. Is that a pair, like one ring and pinion to fit one axle, or a pair
like two sets to fit two axles?

=======================================
Henry Padilla
'68 Jeep Wagoneer
Buick 350 thoughtfully installed by Kaiser
jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com

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> From: SuperKen <kenns-at-concentric.net>
> To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com>
> Subject: Henry P.
> Date: Friday, May 23, 1997 8:19 PM
> 
> henry if u wanna part w/ those 331 ill be glad
> to take a pair for d44's!!!
> 
> 68 Wagoneer wrote:
> > 
> > I have a total of 3 sets of 3.31s, two of them from D44s. One set is
out of
> > my original '68 D44 and the second set is out of the '72 D44 that I got
> > from the parts Wag.
> > 
> -- 
>   Sincerely
> 
>   kenneth e. wetherall               If a Wagoneer can go where a 
>   kenns-at-concentric.net                  CJ can go, then it's a 
>                                             Super Wagoneer.
> 
> 
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Date:  Sun, 25 May 1997 00:30:03 -0500
From: "68 Wagoneer" <jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com>
Subject: Re: wish me luck...DOC!

Uh, oh. Doc and Ken are interested too. You all want to play fisticuffs for
them?  :=)

=======================================
Henry Padilla
'68 Jeep Wagoneer
Buick 350 thoughtfully installed by Kaiser
jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com

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> From: Eric Faust <eric-at-inet1.inetworld.net>
> To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com>
> Subject: Re: wish me luck...DOC!
> Date: Friday, May 23, 1997 8:33 PM
> 
> 68 Wagoneer wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Doc (or anyone), do you still need the 3.31s for the Dana 44?
> > 
> I'd be interested in a front and rear set if Doc dosn't grab em. 
> Eric
> 
> 
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Date:  Sun, 25 May 1997 00:32:23 -0500
From: "68 Wagoneer" <jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com>
Subject: Re: Brake Upgrades - need help

Thanks anyway, Bill. Joe emailed .jpgs to me already. I guess I really need
to get the manual though. The copy at Smiths that I always look at is
getting really tattered.

=======================================
Henry Padilla
'68 Jeep Wagoneer
Buick 350 thoughtfully installed by Kaiser
jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com

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> From: William S. McBride <wmmcb-at-televar.com>
> To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com>
> Subject: Re: Brake Upgrades - need help
> Date: Friday, May 23, 1997 2:15 PM
> 
> Henry - 
> 
> I don't have a scanner but I can mail you a good copy of the diagrams 
> and photographs of the brake assemblies for your truck from my Kaiser 
> Jeep service manual SM-1042.  Let me know if that will help and give 
> me an address. I bought the manual (original and BEAUTIFUL) for $35 
> from:
> 
> Auto Literature Shoppe
> Fort Littleton, PA
> 
> 1-800-526-7099
> 
> They are a family business and give great service. The best $35 I have 
> spent on the whole project.
> 
> Bill McBride
> 1968 J - 100


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Date:  Sun, 25 May 1997 01:22:57 -0400
From: Zack Heisey <moosh-at-redrose.net>
Subject: '62-'72 Parts Manual Update

I went to the printers today only to find out the guy who does the
pricing was out until Tuesday.  After little smoozing with the girls
behind the counter I got them to make me a copy of my original, so I
could use the copy to make all of yours intead of the original.  What a
fiasco.  There are 450 pages, and I'll bet they went through 6 reams of
paper.  And not just any paper, 60lb paper.  The really thick stuff. 
Any how, as near as I can figure and from what the girl told me, there
should be any reason we can't get this done for fifty buck my door to
yours.  I'll let you know when I get a final price, and we'll see who's
still interested.  I will keep you informed.  

Zack Heisey
'79 J-10
'79 Cherokee Chief Wide Track

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