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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 18:02:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: ck1-at-pacbell.net
Subject: Re: misc responses...

All the Best,
                Bruce * kb6lwn * ck1-at-pacbell.net * 707-987-4737

... 1970 Jeep Wagoneer (1414C) V8-350 4WD "Pinecone"

Net-Tamer V 1.08X - Test Drive


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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 18:35:40 -0700
From: Eric Faust <eric-at-INETWORLD.NET>
Subject: Re: non-fsj

You can get lenses recoated.  Pick up an astronomy mag and check the ads
in the back.  Find a company that can apply magnesium flouride or other
anti-reflective coatings.  If you post a question on a photography or
astronomy newsgroup, you should get a few suggestions in no time.  If
you have an expensive piece of glass, the cost should be a small
fraction of the replacement price.  Then you could take great pictures
of your FSJ!

Eric

Sc0 wrote:
> 
> Would the Zeiss lenses fit on a Contax III?
> 
> The original lense for my Contax had that "special" coating....the coating had
> disentigrated and now I have a useless lense.

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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 21:30:38 -0500 (CDT)
From: chrissy saltsgaver <chrissys-at-midwest.net>
Subject: Re: Assembly lube?

 what about long term protection for an
>unassembled/uninstalled motor? Maybe not a prob in Reno huh?
> <<
>
> YOu guessed it Joe with your last sentence. We had a very humid day today in
>Reno. The humidity was 43%! Most of the time it's less than 20%.
>
>
Joe, you have my permission to slap him :)  It's rained here the past 3 day
straight :(  

Mike Saltsgaver


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Date:  Fri, 30 May 97 22:43:30 EST5EDT
From: billy dunn <dunns-at-csra.net>
Subject: Re: NV4500

How much what Doc???Soon???You want it Ill send it.....Remember that a
cummins has a larger input shaft than a regular NV4500 from a gas motor.A
Dodge NV4500 is more in demand than a GM.
Billy




At 12:59 PM 5/30/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>I do have a NV4500 from a 2wd Cummins diesel I'll let go though.
>>ANYBODY INTERESTED???????????800.00 includes shipping most anywhere.
>
>
>	How much, and how soon?????
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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 22:53:42 -0400
From: Eric Bachman <bachhaus-at-earthlink.net>
Subject: New Owner

I'm new here but I would like to get some stickers for my 90. Where and
how much do I send? bachhaus-at-earthlink.net

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Date:  Fri, 30 May 97 22:49:48 EST5EDT
From: billy dunn <dunns-at-csra.net>
Subject: Re: WIDE track width

At 03:39 PM 5/30/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Hello guys and gals,
>
>Need some info. Can someone with a Widetrack Cherokee or Jtruck measure the
>width of the rearend drum to drum for me. I have a chance to pick up a
>Dana60 for free (well, I have to remove it from the truck). Please measure
>backing plate to backing plate. Thanks a TON!.
>
>Jim Sterling
>79/83 FrankenJeep
>
Jim if it is coming from a truck it will not fit.The only two vehicles that
will work is a Ford and Dodge van.A 60 from a truck is way to
narrow.....Your leaf springs will actually sit on top of the drums.You need
a E-350 or a W300 van and it will work fine.
BEEN THERE DONE IT TWICE.
Billy
79J10




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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 22:13:15 -0500 (CDT)
From: chrissy saltsgaver <chrissys-at-midwest.net>
Subject: Re: ever wonder...

>	http://www.acvwjyro.com/tour/home.htm
>
>	Take the Type III.  It's JUST like driving around in Timex.  Trust me.
>Just close your eyes and ignore the pix.  Just read what it says, and now
>you'll know just what I go through...  <grin>.
>
>                                           |
Very clever:)  I especially liked the "The steering's just a little sloppy,
that's all".  Boy have I been there!  I had to make a 35 mile trip home one
time after the steering box gave up the ghost.  The steering wheel had 3/4
rotation worth of slack =:O   Made for real interesting curves on the 2 lane
hiway home.

Mike Saltsgaver.


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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 20:13:46 -0800
From: Warren Rund <reno1-at-earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Warren R.!!!!!

yes, even I can figure this thing out!

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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 22:32:01 -0500 (CDT)
From: chrissy saltsgaver <chrissys-at-midwest.net>
Subject: Re: 4x4

>> Does this make any sense for 4x4'ing?
>> Go in with the 2 wheel drive.
>> When you get stuck, get out with 4 wheel drive.
>> 
>Doesn't to me. I believe in swithching to 4wd as soon as practical to
>both prevent getting stuck and to take it a little easier on the trail.
>I 2wd you are more prone to spin tires and chew up the trail. I also
>believe it's easier on the drive train.


It's been a while since I've been stuck, but isn't it a fact that if you
wait until your stuck before locking the hubs.....your still stuck because
the front wheels need to rotate to get the splines to align before they'll
lock??

Mike S.


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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 20:34:30 -0800
From: Warren Rund <reno1-at-earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Mr. Beef/Omni-Magnum

As a side-line, I have tuned many engines for maximum performance over
the years. The product that offered the best performance in my
experience has been the Jacobs System. Expensive, but installed
correctly it made a H U G E difference in a couple of engines.

The best place to start for getting any engine to be more effecient is
the ignition system. Once everything is correct ( plug wires that work,
new spark plugs gapped wide, coil hooked up right,..) then and only then
should you proceed with any modifications.

However, mileage IS a difficult thing to track since the better
performance usually means more "spirited" driving, intentional or not.
If you notice any improvement in the sound or performance of the motor,
rest assured it is more effecient and getting better miles-per-gallon.

Warren Rund

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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 20:41:28 -0700
From: Joe Schaefer <jeep-at-olympus.net>
Subject: Reno rain? nonfsj

>>
>Joe, you have my permission to slap him :)  It's rained here the past 3 day
>straight :(  
>
>Mike 

Sorta max's out your annual rain fall huh? Guess that's it for 1997... :)

-jj

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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 21:12:08 -0700
From: SuperKen <kenns-at-concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Mr. Beef/Omni-Magnum

w i d e gap..how so. im runnig jacobs on 73 
points gm 350, dont like hei, but m thinking about
the ignitor by petronix!!!Warren Rund wrote:
> 
> new spark plugs gapped wide, coil hooked up right,..) then and only then

-- 
********To reply, use ONLY the email address below********
 Sincerely                        
 kenneth e. wetherall        'If a Wagoneer can go where a
                                 CJ can go, then it's a
 kenns-at-concentric.net                Super Wagoneer'

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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 23:23:55 -0500 (CDT)
From: chrissy saltsgaver <chrissys-at-midwest.net>
Subject: Re: Reno rain? nonfsj

At 08:41 PM 5/30/97 -0700, you wrote:
>>>
>>Joe, you have my permission to slap him :)  It's rained here the past 3 day
>>straight :(  
>>
>>Mike 
>
>Sorta max's out your annual rain fall huh? Guess that's it for 1997... :)
>
>-jj
>
I wish!  The weatherman came on a few minutes ago &  told us of road
closings about an our south of me due to flash flooding.  The rain isn't
supposed to let up until Sunday :(   It's been a really wet spring here
(pretty bad flooding, similar to the Dakota's, along the Ohio river earlier
this year).

Mike S.


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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 23:23:46 -0500
From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Mr. Beef/Omni-Magnum

At 09:12 PM 5/30/97 -0700, you wrote:
>w i d e gap..how so. im runnig jacobs on 73 
>points gm 350, dont like hei, but m thinking about
>the ignitor by petronix!!!Warren Rund wrote:

Hey Ken, you won't be sorry with a Pertronix,
been there, done that on a GM small block...very kewl!

C'ya
joe-


Summit has best pricing, imho



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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 21:30:38 -0800
From: Warren Rund <reno1-at-earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Mr. Beef/Omni-Magnum

Whats yer plug gap now? I know about the ignitor, it is a great
alternative to the HEI. The Jacobs system in my Buick GS 455 (about 500
hp) used to eat points about every 30 hours of driving time or so.

Your plug gap should be about .045 if you have quality wires.

WR

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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 21:30:00 -0800
From: mindale-at-ix.netcom.com
Subject: Re: CA/NV FSJ get together

Count me in!
The weekend of the 4th is good for me, however I won't be available any
other time during July.  I have been meaning to go to Hollister again
sometime soon anyway.  As someone mentioned it will probabally be
crowded, do they take reservations?
As for alternates, I think I saw a trail report from one of the Kens
about a trip near Cache Creek not too far from Hollister.  Also the
roads between I-5, Panoche, New Idra, Pinacles, and Gonzales look
interesting, has anyone been on them?  I have been on the closed road
from Panoche to I-5, easy dirt 2wd, but I think some of the roads father
in might be interesting.
-- 

Dale Webb
Pleasanton Ca.'78 Cherokee Chief, 360, T-18

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Date:  Sat, 31 May 1997 00:59:01 -0400
From: Zack Heisey <moosh-at-redrose.net>
Subject: All Brands Jeep Show

Attention all,
  Saturday (today) and Sunday, there is going to be an All Brands Jeep
Show sponsored by PA Jeeps.  It will be held at the York Fairgrounds, in
York PA.  I have both the truck and the cherokee signed up to compete. 
I spent today and yesterday washing and waxing them both.  The cherokee
has been nice ever since I bought it, and the truck came out really
well.  Better than I expected.  I'll take lots of pictures.  Hopefully I
won't be the only FSJer there, like I was last year.  It's mostly CJ's
and stuff, but this year it supposed to be pretty big and BF Goodrich is
one of the sponsors.  I'll be there generally promoting all that is
grand about FSJ's and selling a few parts manuals. <g>  
	The chero is in a class with all other chero's and wags of all years,
even the little ones.  Seems strange to me.  My chero against one of the
new ones?  The truck is in a class with CJ-8's, and comanche's.  I guess
this is the odd ball class.  (sorry brad in chicago)  I hope to do well
and will report tomorrow.  If I don't win, I may just hook up to the two
CJ winners and drag them both down the street.  <BG>

Zack Heisey
'79 J-10
'79 Cherokee Chief Wide Track
http://www.dickinson.edu/~marschka/FSJ.jeeps.html

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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 21:44:49 -0700
From: Tom Anhalt <tanhalt-at-earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: email bounced

SuperKen wrote:
> 
> where r u again??
> 

I'm down here in Santa Barbara.  With enough notice, I could plan a trip
up to the bay area


> i had a nother idea. we can wait for the PNW fest
> to end, and all the trip reports to come in, and get the calnev
> FSJers to get jealous and then spring one on em!!

To make 'em REALLY jealous we could hold it in the middle of
winter...no, that's too far off.

> 
> hollister is just a mountainous region S of san jose, that has
> MANY dirt trails for ALL levels of 4x4 experience. including
> some models of the diffficult spots on some of
> the states famouse trails.
> 

Sounds fun.  Does it get very crowded on weekends?


> a club in Sbay, calle d esprit de four, puts on a biannuall
> 'howto' event at the holister area. it is basically a beginners
> intro to offroading. but it costs $40+
> 


Tom Anhalt
'81 Cherokee Laredo
Santa Barbara, CA

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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 21:50:32 -0700
From: Tom Anhalt <tanhalt-at-earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Mr. Beef/Omni-Magnum

M_B_FEICK wrote:
> 
> As soon as I get the L/R unit on the good QT, I am ready to roll the "new"
> th400/QT combo into place.  I took the old stuff out as a unit and plan to
> install the new the same way.  Didn't even need to raise the truck up, either
> 

Welcome back Brad.  Congratulations and I'm happy you survived!!!


>         After that, me and a crazy cat named Zack are most likely gonna

Why did you name your cat Zack?


> install the soon-to-be-completed 258.  Anyway, in the mean time I didn't need
> the hard-won Omni-Magnum set-up, so me and a buddy decided to give it a whirl
> on his new Ram pickup with 318 (I believe-it's NOT the 360 V8).
> 

>         Everything else but that was really positive.  I'm wondering if good
> wires would have helped, maybe we were playing with benefits of new found
> power?  The weather had just started to break here, temp.?  A wash on MPG I
> could see but a loss is curious. (even though they claim a gain)  We expected
> the results not to be staggering as we ARE talking about a newer truck as
> opposed to our FSJs most excellent state-of-the-art ignitions. (HA!)  Well ,
> just thought that I would throw that out there.  (I'm STILL using it on the
> 258 and 455)
> 
> Brad Feick

I wouldn't expect any big differences on a new engine that already has
some form of computer controlled, solid-state, high-energy ignition. 
Heck...I wouldn't even have tried it.  You're right about it making more
of a difference on older, weaker ignitions.

Tom Anhalt

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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 22:04:28 -0700
From: SuperKen <kenns-at-concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Mr. Beef/Omni-Magnum

koolness on summit. i went to their web
site and ordered their cat. they emailed back
saying that it would be a month to get it:(

> Hey Ken, you won't be sorry with a Pertronix,
> been there, done that on a GM small block...very kewl!
> 
> C'ya
> joe-
> 
> Summit has best pricing, imho
> 

-- 
********To reply, use ONLY the email address below********
 Sincerely                        
 kenneth e. wetherall        'If a Wagoneer can go where a
                                 CJ can go, then it's a
 kenns-at-concentric.net                Super Wagoneer'

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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 22:07:36 -0700
From: SuperKen <kenns-at-concentric.net>
Subject: Super jacobs

well im running the jacobs mileage master, using OEM
coil, and thier blue wire, spiral core 7mm wires.
the plugs are champion, copper plus resistor, extended
nose gaped at 040!!!

jacobs book warns about tooBIG a gap and tooBIG a spark
actually pushing away fuel molecules at the gap!!

Warren Rund wrote:
> 
> Whats yer plug gap now? I know about the ignitor, it is a great
> alternative to the HEI. The Jacobs system in my Buick GS 455 (about 500
> hp) used to eat points about every 30 hours of driving time or so.
> 
> Your plug gap should be about .045 if you have quality wires.
> 


-- 
********To reply, use ONLY the email address below********
 Sincerely                        
 kenneth e. wetherall        'If a Wagoneer can go where a
                                 CJ can go, then it's a
 kenns-at-concentric.net                Super Wagoneer'

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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 21:58:29 -0700
From: Tom Anhalt <tanhalt-at-earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Mr. Beef/Omni-Magnum

SuperKen wrote:
> 
> w i d e gap..how so. im runnig jacobs on 73
> points gm 350, dont like hei, but m thinking about
> the ignitor by petronix!!!Warren Rund wrote:
> >
> > new spark plugs gapped wide, coil hooked up right,..) then and only then
> 
> --

If you install a Pertronix along with your Jacobs, you should have
something better than HEI...Well, at least the equivalent.  I just put
the Pertronix on my Buick and it was a slam dunk installation.  Easier
than putting the Jacobs in my Cherokee (which will be switched to the
Buick once I finally get my much planned MPI)

Tom Anhalt

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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 22:11:15 -0700
From: SuperKen <kenns-at-concentric.net>
Subject: Hollister

Tom Anhalt wrote:
> 
> SuperKen wrote:
> > hollister is just a mountainous region S of san jose, that has
> > MANY dirt trails for ALL levels of 4x4 experience. including
> > some models of the diffficult spots on some of
> > the states famouse trails.
> >
> 
> Sounds fun.  Does it get very crowded on weekends?

idunno, i have only been they for a sponsered 4x4 event hosted
by a local 4x4 club. in that circumstance, its possible that the area
is reserved for the week end. but the best person for
info, would be 36ken. i believ he has been to holister more than me!


> 
-- 
********To reply, use ONLY the email address below********
 Sincerely                        
 kenneth e. wetherall        'If a Wagoneer can go where a
                                 CJ can go, then it's a
 kenns-at-concentric.net                Super Wagoneer'

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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 22:19:53 -0700
From: Eric Faust <eric-at-INETWORLD.NET>
Subject: Re: The WORLD FAMOUS IFSJA Bumber Stickers!

Joe Sego wrote:
> Thank you, all I am/was is a middle-man.  They (decals) are almost gone now
> and I haven't put one on my own yet!    We can have more made if necessary
> although I am not sure we'd get the $3 each pricing.
> 
> Brian and my son Andy did the real work!!!!!!
> 
> C'ya
> joe-
> 
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> 
>
 
Speaking of stickers,  hey Joe, I've got this hole in my window tint
that I need to cover up.  I think the IFSJA sticker will work perfectly!

Eric '89 Grand Wagoneer (in need of IFSJA sticker)

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Date:  Sat, 31 May 1997 01:30:04 -0400
From: Zack Heisey <moosh-at-redrose.net>
Subject: Re: Mr. Beef/Omni-Magnum

Funny, real funny.  I hate cats.

Zack


om Anhalt wrote:
> 
> M_B_FEICK wrote:
> >
> > As soon as I get the L/R unit on the good QT, I am ready to roll the "new"
> > th400/QT combo into place.  I took the old stuff out as a unit and plan to
> > install the new the same way.  Didn't even need to raise the truck up, either
> >
> 
> Welcome back Brad.  Congratulations and I'm happy you survived!!!
> 
> >         After that, me and a crazy cat named Zack are most likely gonna
> 
> Why did you name your cat Zack?
> 
> > install the soon-to-be-completed 258.  Anyway, in the mean time I didn't need
> > the hard-won Omni-Magnum set-up, so me and a buddy decided to give it a whirl
> > on his new Ram pickup with 318 (I believe-it's NOT the 360 V8).
> >
> 
> >         Everything else but that was really positive.  I'm wondering if good
> > wires would have helped, maybe we were playing with benefits of new found
> > power?  The weather had just started to break here, temp.?  A wash on MPG I
> > could see but a loss is curious. (even though they claim a gain)  We expected
> > the results not to be staggering as we ARE talking about a newer truck as
> > opposed to our FSJs most excellent state-of-the-art ignitions. (HA!)  Well ,
> > just thought that I would throw that out there.  (I'm STILL using it on the
> > 258 and 455)
> >
> > Brad Feick
> 
> I wouldn't expect any big differences on a new engine that already has
> some form of computer controlled, solid-state, high-energy ignition.
> Heck...I wouldn't even have tried it.  You're right about it making more
> of a difference on older, weaker ignitions.
> 
> Tom Anhalt
> 
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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 22:20:24 -0700
From: Joe Schaefer <jeep-at-olympus.net>
Subject: Re: Reno rain? nonfsj

>I wish!  The weatherman came on a few minutes ago &  told us of road
>closings about an our south of me due to flash flooding.  The rain isn't
>supposed to let up until Sunday :(   It's been a really wet spring here
>(pretty bad flooding, similar to the Dakota's, along the Ohio river earlier
>this year).
>
>Mike S.

Geez...I've been in NV and AZ during those "flash floods" :( 
Hope it doesn't get to where you're at.

Regards,
-jj

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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 22:23:20 -0700
From: Joe Schaefer <jeep-at-olympus.net>
Subject: Re: All Brands Jeep Show


Zack,
Good luck and have FUN!!!

-jj

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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 22:30:34 -0700
From: Joe Schaefer <jeep-at-olympus.net>
Subject: CANV run...

>I'm down here in Santa Barbara.  
<snip snip>
>> i had a nother idea. we can wait for the PNW fest
>> to end, and all the trip reports to come in, and get the calnev
>> FSJers to get jealous and then spring one on em!!
>
>To make 'em REALLY jealous we could hold it in the middle of
>winter...no, that's too far off.

Oh no! Winter in Santa Barbara...you'd have to wear long sleeves ;)

-jj

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Date:  Sat, 31 May 1997 01:13:34 -0500
From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: The WORLD FAMOUS IFSJA Bumber Stickers!

> 
>Speaking of stickers,  hey Joe, I've got this hole in my window tint
>that I need to cover up.  I think the IFSJA sticker will work perfectly!
>
>Eric '89 Grand Wagoneer (in need of IFSJA sticker)
>
Hmmm, well I just did a count, counting the ones I need to
mail, I may be out of them.  Plus these are FSJ decals, not
IFSJA.  No one has made any of those yet.  I can get more FSJ
decals made if needed.  But the $3 each pricing is probably
long gone :-(

C'ya
joe-


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Date:  Sat, 31 May 1997 01:19:05 -0500
From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-mindspring.com>
Subject: Zack



Hey Zack,

Do us FSJers proud and kick some CJ butt this weekend!!!

Best of luck,
Joe-




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Date:  Sat, 31 May 1997 01:21:45 -0500
From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-mindspring.com>
Subject: Holley Carb ?


Hi,

I have a Holley 4bl carb that I am considering using on
my 79 Cherokee.  I am not sure of it's model number or size, (cfm)
anyone know where to look for numbers on a Holley?

Anyone with Holley data that can translate the numbers?

Thanks,
joe-






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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 22:38:24 -0700
From: Jim Sterling <sterling-at-jetlink.net>
Subject: Re: WIDE track width

At 07:27 PM 5/30/97 -0500, you wrote:
>At 03:39 PM 5/30/97 -0700, you wrote:
>>Hello guys and gals,
>>
>>Need some info. Can someone with a Widetrack Cherokee or Jtruck measure the
>>width of the rearend drum to drum for me. I have a chance to pick up a
>>Dana60 for free (well, I have to remove it from the truck). Please measure
>>backing plate to backing plate. Thanks a TON!.
>>
>>Jim Sterling
>>79/83 FrankenJeep
>>
>>
>57 & 1/4 inches on my '84 J10 w/ AMC 20 axle, measured at the backing plate
>out at the edge by the drum.  Was easy to get to because the rear end is on
>blocks due to the rain preventing me from mounting the new tires I had
>mounted this week (would have had them on sooner, but spend the past few
>days stripping & reapplying the clear coat that was on the chrome steel rims.
>
>Mike Saltsgaver

Mike, 

Thanks for the info. The Dana I can pick up is 56 1/2 wide, so it should
work just fine :)

Jim


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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 22:41:08 -0700
From: Jim Sterling <sterling-at-jetlink.net>
Subject: Re: WIDE track width

At 10:49 PM 5/30/97 EST5EDT, you wrote:
>At 03:39 PM 5/30/97 -0700, you wrote:
>>Hello guys and gals,
>>
>>Need some info. Can someone with a Widetrack Cherokee or Jtruck measure the
>>width of the rearend drum to drum for me. I have a chance to pick up a
>>Dana60 for free (well, I have to remove it from the truck). Please measure
>>backing plate to backing plate. Thanks a TON!.
>>
>>Jim Sterling
>>79/83 FrankenJeep
>>
>Jim if it is coming from a truck it will not fit.The only two vehicles that
>will work is a Ford and Dodge van.A 60 from a truck is way to
>narrow.....Your leaf springs will actually sit on top of the drums.You need
>a E-350 or a W300 van and it will work fine.
>BEEN THERE DONE IT TWICE.
>Billy
>79J10
Billy,
Actually it is coming from a Dodge Van. Glad to hear it will work.
How do I find the gear ratio, on the axle tube or on a metal tab on the diff
cover?

Jim


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Date:  Sat, 31 May 1997 00:27:12 -0700
From: Eric Faust <eric-at-INETWORLD.NET>
Subject: Re: The WORLD FAMOUS FSJ Bumber Stickers!

Joe Sego wrote:
> 
> >
> >Speaking of stickers,  hey Joe, I've got this hole in my window tint
> >that I need to cover up.  I think the IFSJA sticker will work perfectly!
> >
> >Eric '89 Grand Wagoneer (in need of IFSJA sticker)
> >
> Hmmm, well I just did a count, counting the ones I need to
> mail, I may be out of them.  Plus these are FSJ decals, not
> IFSJA.  No one has made any of those yet.  I can get more FSJ
> decals made if needed.  But the $3 each pricing is probably
> long gone :-(
> 
> C'ya
> joe-
> 

Joe,

Hopefully I'm on your list. I sent off a check for 3 stickers a few
weeks ago.  If not, I'll wait patiently.  Actually I guess I'll wait
patiently either way :-)   Thanks.

Eric '89 Grand Wagoneer

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Date:  31 May 97 03:44:37 EDT
From: Edwin Pedersen <102551.2631-at-CompuServe.COM>
Subject: ?'s  About   Ol'  White

I was poking around under the hood tonight & have
come to the conclusion that I have the BBD carb, not 
the Motorcraft 2100 as originally thought.
As this is an automatic, it has the solenoid on the
side of the carb. The questions is, what is this
solenoid for ??    Comments about the BBD carb?
Good?  Bad?  
Also discovered that I _did_ have a thermostat in
the durn truck, but it was a winter one rated at 195 F.
I replaced it with a summer one at 165F. Hopefully
this will help keep the temp down a bit.
Also changed the fuel filter and air cleaner while I was 
pretending to be Joe Backyard Michinic (sic) <g>
Will change the oil & filter tomorrow, as I don't know
when it was done last. Let's see,,,,  don't know how long
baby brother drove it since_he_ changed the oil, 
the it was parked in Mom's garage for 2 years, 
then I put on 3500 of mostly off-road miles.......
I'd say it's about due for a change  !!
Also got to thinking about the " no downshift "  problem.
The gas pedal linkage (cable) has a lot of slack in it
that may be contributing to this dilemna. I think the 
adjustment for this seems to be the screw that controls
the setting of the aforementioned solenoid. 
SO, once again, what's it for ??
Located a master brake cylinder for $31.00 locally,
so I'll pick that up, as well as both sets of brakes, and 
do the brake job while I feel rambuctious.
Oh well, thats enough for tonight. It's almost 1.00 am
and I have to go to work tomorrow ( today)... 

TTYL

Eddie in Vancouver
Ol' White is a '79 Cherokee  " S "  Wide Track
QT  AT  I6     169,900  miles
Dana 44's  3.54 gears 
Low range reduction unit  ( read the book, 2.57:1 ratio)
Factory Bush Bar  (used for standing up after being under Jeep)


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Date:  31 May 97 03:57:40 EDT
From: Michael Baxter <74172.1164-at-CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Re: I can sound like I know what I am ta

SuperKen <kenns-at-concentric.net> writes:

 >> hey everyone!! can u just smell the fresh pages of his
 NEW service manuals!?!?!  mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm good! ;)
 nice crisp pages, starch white pages, ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh,
 this is too much, id better sit down!!

 <<

 Gees...give him a service manual and he writes in mostly WHOLE sentences.
Somehow I know it won't last long. :-)

 NV/CA FSJ event. I have a lot of weekend plans for the next couple of months
but, you guys pick a week end and I'll do my best to be there

 -- Michael Baxter, 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com
 http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter
 From Reno, NV USA on 31-May-1997 at 00:47:34 PDT

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Date:  31 May 97 03:57:50 EDT
From: Michael Baxter <74172.1164-at-CompuServe.COM>
Subject: a HA!  Carter BBD secrets revealed!

"Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net> writes:

 >> Whilst perusing the web this morning, searching for perhaps some
manufacturer's guidance, I came upon a few interesting tidbits...
<http://www.asashop.org/autoinc/august/techtips.htm> for one...  Tech Tips for
the feedback BBD.
 <<

 Doc do I have to suggest you add a link to that page on the IFSJ site or are
you already there?

 -- Michael Baxter, 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com
 http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter
 From Reno, NV USA on 31-May-1997 at 00:54:38 PDT

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Date:  31 May 97 03:57:45 EDT
From: Michael Baxter <74172.1164-at-CompuServe.COM>
Subject: RE: Re. 360 artic.-hear riser valve

Jeff Herbst <JeffHerbst-at-electrosys.com> writes:

 >> What did you replace it with? A doughnut gasket like on the other side?
 I'. having a terrible time getting mine (new, now $85!) no to leak when
 cold. It sounds terrible 1st thing in the morning, but shuts up after
 fully warmed up.
 <<

 Jeff, I can picture what it looked like but, I'm not sure I could do a
description justice. I took it to an exhaust shop and asked them to get rid of
that thing no matter what it took. Dynamite was not out of the question.

 The shop fabricated a section that sandwiched in between the pipe flange and
the manifold. It didn't cost very much and i never had another problem.

 -- Michael Baxter, 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com
 http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter
 From Reno, NV USA on 31-May-1997 at 00:53:05 PDT

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Date:  31 May 97 03:59:00 EDT
From: Edwin Pedersen <102551.2631-at-CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Welcome  Eric  !!

<Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 22:53:42 -0400
<From: Eric Bachman <bachhaus-at-earthlink.net>
<To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com>
<Subject:  New Owner

<I'm new here but I would like to get some stickers for my 90. Where and
<how much do I send? bachhaus-at-earthlink.net

Eric,

Welcome to the FSJ list !!  :)  How long have you been with us ?
Hope you have enjoyed the group so far ......
What is your  '90 ?  Wag, Chero, Truck, ??
AND, where are you located ?  Earthlink.net - Canadian? 
Possibly you can make it to one of the FSJ  Meets that
are shaping up around
the country..., you might even meet one of our star attractions!
( They know who they are  <G>  )

Eddie in Vancouver B.C.  Canada
Charter member IFSJA
Western Canada Regional Cordinator

Caretaker of Ol' White, who is a '79 Cherokee
Wide Track  with QT  AT  I6 , brush pinstriping,
one of a kind denting and paint flake formation  :)
Dana 44's  3.54 gears
31 x 10.50  Sport Kings  AT  M+S


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Date:  Sat, 31 May 1997 01:28:54 -0700
From: SuperKen <kenns-at-concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Holley Carb ?

look on the air horn. the forward side should have a
4diget number preceded by the word 'list' this is called
the 'list number'. it is the one item used to ID all holleys!!

Joe Sego wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have a Holley 4bl carb that I am considering using on
> my 79 Cherokee.  I am not sure of it's model number or size, (cfm)
> anyone know where to look for numbers on a Holley?
> 
> Anyone with Holley data that can translate the numbers?
> 
> Thanks,
> joe-

-- 
********To reply, use ONLY the email address below********
 Sincerely                        
 kenneth e. wetherall        'If a Wagoneer can go where a
                                 CJ can go, then it's a
 kenns-at-concentric.net                Super Wagoneer'

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Date:  Sat, 31 May 1997 05:17:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: ck1-at-pacbell.net
Subject: Re: CA/NV FSJ get together

   >There must be more people in the bay area, don't make me start
   >looking up the subscription list,or
   >its going to get ugly....
   >(the prefixes, I mean)

   Do you have *ANY* idea how MUCH this is 'killin' me to see all
   you guys typin about this run and knowing that there's only a
   ~10% chance that I might make it ?  Do ya' ??  Huh ???!!!

   I feel like running outside and yelling, "HEY!!!  I'm in the
   Bay Area!!!" (actually I'm just far enough North to either
   claim it or not - depending on the circumstances... ;)

   <laying face down on the floor, banging my fists and feet>
   I WANNA GO!!!  I WANNA GO!!!   I WANNA GO!!!   <sniffle waaa>

   BTW: Could I trouble you for some measurements of that rediator
        you have (ie overall, bracket dims, and hole spacing) ?

All the Best,
                Bruce * kb6lwn * ck1-at-pacbell.net * 707-987-4737

... 1970 Jeep Wagoneer (1414C) V8-350 4WD "Pinecone"

Net-Tamer V 1.08X - Test Drive


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Date:  Sat, 31 May 1997 05:17:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: ck1-at-pacbell.net
Subject: Re: Old Blue didn't make it...

   I'm sorry to hear about Ol' Bluey...  (or is a Ka Bluey now) :(
   Would a wreath of flowers be appropriate at this time ?
  
   >Took him to work and back, went to turn around by rolling up the
   >hill a little bit and the torque converter killed the motor and he
   >wouldn't restart...   taking the little wagoneer to the retreat...
   >bummer...   at least he didn't leave me stranded somewhere...

All the Best,
                Bruce * kb6lwn * ck1-at-pacbell.net * 707-987-4737

Net-Tamer V 1.08X - Test Drive


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Date:  Sat, 31 May 1997 07:06:11 -0500
From: ROBERT.BUBALA-at-rrd.com
Subject: Grand Wagonneer limo spotted

RR DONNELLEY & SONS COMPANY
 
          TO:        OAS     -00000001 *fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com
 
          FROM:      ROBERT.BUBALA
 
          DATE:      05/31/97
          TIME:      07:19:38
 
          SUBJECT:   Grand Wagonneer limo spotted
 
 
     I remmeber a couple of days ago people mentioning where they have seen
     Grand Wagoneer limos at, and I was watching Dumb and Dumber last
     night, and spotted one in the backround. It is when Lloyd and Harry
     are trying to find Mary in the phonebook at Aspen at the payphone and
     in the background there is a baby blue one.
 
     Well, that 83 J-10 stepside that I had mentioned earlier this week was
     a really sharp truck. The truck was very clean but had a really cheap
     paint job. I was going to make the guy an offer, but after I look at
     it for a little while, this guy comes out of the house and just says
     to me "My wife should have told you that I took the truck off of the
     market because I am tired of dealing with the dam thing", and he just
     walks back in the house, no goodbye or I am sorry that I let you guys
     drive 40 minutes all the way out here for nothing.  That was crap.
 
     Oh well,
 
     Robert Bubala
     mailto:robert.bubala-at-rrd.com
     Iron Horse 4x4s, Inc, Vice President (NW Indiana)
     http://www.off-road.com/~iron
 
 
     p.s. To the guy who "cut up" my post about asking about a new Ford or
     an older J truck: All I was doing was trying to get some opinions on
     what others thought.  I am still considering a 80s J series.
 
 

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Date:  Sat, 31 May 1997 09:17:20 -0500
From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Grand Wagonneer limo spotted

>     Robert Bubala
>     mailto:robert.bubala-at-rrd.com
>     Iron Horse 4x4s, Inc, Vice President (NW Indiana)
>     http://www.off-road.com/~iron


Hi Robert,

NW Indiana eh?  Near Chicago?  I'm in Indy. This makes
three fsj'ers in Indiana!!

Now if we could get that stupid Midwest IFSJA coordinator off
his butt and do something!

C'ya
Joe-




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Date:  Sat, 31 May 1997 09:27:52 -0500
From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-mindspring.com>
Subject: Jeep Jam W. Nev.


This weekend there is a Jeep Jamboree in western
Nevada.  Michael, are you there?  Just read up on 
all the Jamboree's at the web page. Many are already
full for 1997!!

C'ya
Joe-



	********************************************************
	*1979 Cherokee Chief  360-QT-Th-400-Red  110,000 mi.   *
	*1978 Jeep J-10 Levi 360-QT-Th-400-Brown- parts donor  *
	*ARS KJ9D  - Joe Sego Indianapolis, Indiana	       *
	* -  home page http://www.mindspring.com/~jsego        *	
	********************************************************
	
		


   

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Date:  Sat, 31 May 1997 09:30:50 -0500
From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Holley Carb ?

At 01:28 AM 5/31/97 -0700, you wrote:
>look on the air horn. the forward side should have a
>4diget number preceded by the word 'list' this is called
>the 'list number'. it is the one item used to ID all holleys!!
>
Thanks Ken,

can you decipher the numbers for me?

joe-







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Date:  Sat, 31 May 1997 10:47:26 -0400
From: "John Jacobs" <jabobsj-at-flash.net>
Subject: Exhaust

Well, it finally happened, just when I least expected it.  I drove the Wag
to work to see how it would do with the newly installed ignition system,
and on the way back from lunch the muffler decided it no longer wanted to
be with this world.  The blasted thing had rusted through the pipe leading
into the muffler.  I was so excited.  (Really I was!)

Now I am faced with a dilemma.  I want to put new headers and performance
exhaust on, but next weekend I am going camping.  The guys that I am going
camping with want to drive some of the fire trails near the campground (one
guy has a 97 TJ, the other a F-150 that I have not seen.)  Killer part is I
know it will take some time to get the headers (probably through
mail-order) and remove the current exhaust manifold and install the new
system.  (I figure a real long time for removing the current exhaust
manifold.)

I really want to take the Wag up for some light trail riding (I'll let them
go if they go "In Search Of..") but I have to do something (it is a little
loud right now w/o the muffler..)  I am thinking of taking it to a muffler
shop and having them cut-off the current muffler system from just behind
the collector and mounting just the new muffler in, then when I have the
time I can change the headers and hook them up with the rest of the system.
 

What do you think?

John Jacobs  <<>> jabobsj-at-flash.net
75 Wagoneer
Royal Oak, Michigan
http://www.flash.net/~jabobsj

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Date:  Sat, 31 May 1997 08:38:15 -0700
From: Joe Schaefer <jeep-at-olympus.net>
Subject: Re: Exhaust

At 10:47 31-05-97 -0400, you wrote:
>Now I am faced with a dilemma.  I want to put new headers and performance
>exhaust on, but next weekend I am going camping.  The guys that I am going
>camping with want to drive some of the fire trails near the campground (

Hi John,
Just my opinion but since you do seem to use your Wag in the woods and not
just for freeway flying, your above statement is sorta contradictory.
Headers are good for top end rpm range performance but may actually hurt
you torque wise at the low end. How much you'd notice the difference at
either end is questionable but I'd save your money and just get a new
exhaust system from the stock headers back. I've run headers on 4x4's just
because my stock manifolds were warped and it was cheaper to get headers
than a factory manifold(s). Depending on what brand you get, some are
definitely better than others but generally headers are a PITA. The flanges
warp eventually and you'll be fighting exhaust leaks/noise. If you're in
the rust belt, they'll rust through about as fast as a tail pipe. They
usually don't quite fit like in the brochure either. You'll loose the heat
riser which is nice to have in the frozen north.
For the money, you'll not get one noticeable benefit but may actually loose
in some areas.
Just my cents...

Regards,
-jj

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Date:  Sat, 31 May 1997 09:19:36 -0700
From: SuperKen <kenns-at-concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Holley Carb ?

no, the number is taken as a whole. ea disget
does not have an individual meaning like
our VIN's do.  call up ur local speed shop, if
they have a holley interchange manual. they should tell
u want vehicle it was OEM for and its size.

> Thanks Ken,
> 
> can you decipher the numbers for me?
> 
> joe-
> 
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-- 
********To reply, use ONLY the email address below********
 Sincerely                        
 kenneth e. wetherall        'If a Wagoneer can go where a
                                 CJ can go, then it's a
 kenns-at-concentric.net                Super Wagoneer'

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Date:  Sat, 31 May 1997 09:45:19 -0700
From: Tom Anhalt <tanhalt-at-earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Super jacobs

SuperKen wrote:
> 
> well im running the jacobs mileage master, using OEM
> coil, and thier blue wire, spiral core 7mm wires.
> the plugs are champion, copper plus resistor, extended
> nose gaped at 040!!!
> 
> jacobs book warns about tooBIG a gap and tooBIG a spark
> actually pushing away fuel molecules at the gap!!
> 

Get the Jacobs coil when you get the Pertronix.  That way you can run
your gaps at .050 like I do on my 258!!

Tom Anhalt
'81 Cherokee Laredo

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