From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Thu Oct 12 19:01:09 2000 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Thursday, October 12 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1063 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: This is a FYI... 809 area code... beware! Re: fsj: whoa, that looks nice! fsj: Re: Re: whoa, that looks nice! fsj: AMC dealers in Seattle? fsj: color selection continued fsj: Who wants to see a Grand Gremlin? Re: fsj: Bad vibrations fsj: 4x4 Swap Meet Re: fsj: My wag is intermittently dying... Re: fsj: 84 GW 360 Vac Diagram in MR 253? fsj: Re: tuiti-fruiti fsj: Weird Email this week (was: My wag is intermittently dying...) fsj: CJ seats - was ideas for spare location... fsj: Re: Frutti-Dawg Re: fsj: Bad vibrations fsj: The Paint Booth FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:25:21 -0400 From: "Ray (lists)" Subject: Re: fsj: This is a FYI... 809 area code... beware! I wonder what would happen if I called them using dialpad.com :-) Ray - ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul & Megan Kershner To: R.J. Baynum ; fsj Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 5:23 PM Subject: Re: fsj: This is a FYI... 809 area code... beware! > Its true. In fact if you check out the www.snopes.com website, they > explain everthing about this scam (Its not really like a 900 call, but > you are charged very high international call charges) and how they will > be expanding to the area codes 242, 246, 264, 268, 284, 345, 441, 473, > 664, 758, 767, 784, 787, 868, 869, 876 as well as 809. > > Just don't call back numbers you aren't familiar with! > > pk > > "R.J. Baynum" wrote: > > > I am passing this along as a FYI.. This is not a joke.. > > Thanks.. > > > > R.J. > > ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~***~*~*~*~~* > > > > DON'T EVER DIAL AREA CODE 809 > > This one is being distributed all over the US. This > > is pretty scary- > > especially given the way they try to get you to > > call. Be sure you > > read this & pass it on to all your friends & family > > so they don't get > > scammed! > > * MAJOR SCAM > > * Don't Respond To Emails, Phone Calls, Or Web > > Pages > > * Which Tell you to Call An "809" Phone Number. > > This is a very > > important issue of Scam Busters! Because it > > alerts you to a scam > > that is spreading *extremely* quickly - can > > easily cost you $100 > > or more, and - is difficult to avoid unless you > > are aware of it. > > * This scam has also been identified by the > > National Fraud > > Information Center and is costing victims a lot > > of money. There > > are lots of different versions of this scam, but > > HERE'S HOW IT WORKS: > > * You will receive a message on your answering > > machine or your > > pager, which asks you to call a number beginning > > with area code > > 809. The reason you're asked to call varies; it > > can be to receive > > information about a family member who has been ill, > > to tell you > > someone has been arrested, died, to let you know > > you have won > > a wonderful prize, etc.. In each case, you're told > > to call the 809 > > number right away. > > Since there are so many new area codes these days, > > people > > unknowingly return these calls. > > * If you call from the US, you will apparently be > > charged $25 > > per-minute! > > * Or, you'll get a long recorded message. The > > point is, they will > > try to keep you on the phone as long as possible to > > increase the > > charges. > > * Unfortunately, when you get your phone bill, > > you'll often be > > charged more than $100.00. > > * WHY IT WORKS: > > * The 809 area code is located in the British > > Virgin Islands (the > > Bahamas). The 809 area code can be used as a > > "pay-per-call" number, > > similar to 900 numbers in the US. Since 809 is > > not in the US, it is > > not > > covered by U.S. regulations of 900 numbers, which > > require that you > > be notified and warned of charges and rates > > involved when you call > > a "pay-per-call" number. There is also no > > requirement that the > > company provide a time period during which you may > > terminate the > > call without being charged. Further, whereas many > > U.S. phones have > > 900 number blocking to avoid these kinds of > > charges, 900 number > > blocking will not prevent calls to the 809 area > > code. > > * We recommend that no matter how you get the > > message, if you > > are asked to call a number with an 809 area code > > that you don't > > recognize, investigate further and/or disregard the > > message. Be > > wary of email or calls asking you to call an 809 > > area code number. > > It's important to prevent becoming a victim of this > > scam, since > > trying to fight the charges afterwards can become a > > real nightmare. > > That's because you did actually make the call. If > > you complain, > > both our local phone company and your long distance > > carrier will > > not want to get involved and will most likely tell > > you that they are > > simply providing the billing for the foreign > > company. You'll end > > up dealing with a foreign company that argues they > > have done > > nothing wrong. > > * Please forward this entire message to your > > friends, family and > > colleagues to help them become aware of this scam > > so they don't > > get ripped off. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:37:59 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: whoa, that looks nice! At 03:01 PM 10/11/00 -0700, Paul & Megan Kershner wrote: >Is Karl the guy that won the '77 Wag auction? well, he's the 3rd place winner, the other two turkeys were in missouri and never returned my email... which reminds me I need to "rate" them on yahoo... ;) >I particularly liked the Dawgsilver color myself! yeah, it does look good... making a few adjustments to the file. >Look who's talkin' outta control - the guy that takes pictures of >everything and anything (its a good thing, too!). Engines, Jeeps, people >driving down the road, taking pictures while driving down the road... yeah, so what's so hard about aiming a digital camera... I used to do my Contax with the zoom lens while driving... ;) >Sitting -at- home (working) too, cuz my 9 month old daughter has a bug, too. >pk > >john wrote: >>I took today off to work on Superdawg, but instead I'm sitting >>upstairs with my wife who came down with some sort of bug... :( >>I'm reading my "Learning Perl" book in prepartion for my NY trip >>next week and just came down to check email... >> >>Karl was over last night looking at his soon to be 77 Wagoneer, so >>I guess he figured out how to get on the list... Welcome Karl, >>it was pleasure meeting you last night along with Dave, who is >>soon to be an FSJ owner as well... (75, right? ) >> >>I wonder what these colors would be in real life? >> >>dalmation? fire engine red? paisley ties??? y'all are outta control. :) >> >>I'm gonna put 'em all on one page so I can view 'em. >> >>Using NON-microsoft tools, I've created: >> >>http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/SuperDawg/Colors/ >>:) >> >>john >>------------------------------------------------------ >> http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ >> "The truth which makes men free is for the most part >> the truth which men prefer not to hear." >> ---Herbert Sebastian Agar >> Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... >> jesus, don't leave life without him, please! >>------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ "The truth which makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." ---Herbert Sebastian Agar Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:39:25 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: Re: whoa, that looks nice! At 03:20 PM 10/11/00 -0700, Karl-at-Nookit.com wrote: >hehe > >yeah, but one of your graphics is broke! fixed it... windoze 98 isn't working right... I saved the file to my disk then ftp'd it back to Linux... well, resources are so low on my system... I mean, I only have 128M and 5 processes running on a 400Mhz system... I had to redownload it... now it's all better... except for the windoze part. :) john >----- Original Message ----- >From: "john" >To: "Karl-at-Nookit.com" >Cc: ; <1FSJ-at-egroups.com> >Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 3:13 PM >Subject: fsj: Re: whoa, that looks nice! > > > > while you're loading your microsoft tools, the page > > was already built using standard HTML and the vi editor > > in a Linux shell... ;) > > > > long live open source... > > > > john > > > > At 03:09 PM 10/11/00 -0700, Karl-at-Nookit.com wrote: > > >I'm also building a page with thumbnails and corresponding picture pages >out > > >on my server, just so I can keep track of all the images in one place. I > > >had to blow the dust off some of my old web development books, but I'm >even > > >going to make it backward compatible enough to work on all those hokey, > > >anti-Microsoft (long live the Borg! I mean, Microsoft!) browsers out > > >there....I'll shoot the URL over to you all when it's done as well! > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "john" > > >To: > > >Cc: <1FSJ-at-egroups.com> > > >Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:57 PM > > >Subject: fsj: whoa, that looks nice! > > > > > > > > > > I took today off to work on Superdawg, but instead I'm sitting > > > > upstairs with my wife who came down with some sort of bug... :( > > > > I'm reading my "Learning Perl" book in prepartion for my NY trip > > > > next week and just came down to check email... > > > > > > > > Karl was over last night looking at his soon to be 77 Wagoneer, so > > > > I guess he figured out how to get on the list... Welcome Karl, > > > > it was pleasure meeting you last night along with Dave, who is > > > > soon to be an FSJ owner as well... (75, right? ) > > > > > > > > I wonder what these colors would be in real life? > > > > > > > > dalmation? fire engine red? paisley ties??? y'all are outta >control. :) > > > > > > > > I'm gonna put 'em all on one page so I can view 'em. > > > > > > > > Using NON-microsoft tools, I've created: > > > > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/SuperDawg/Colors/ :) > > > > > > > > john > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > > > > "The truth which makes men free is for the most part > > > > the truth which men prefer not to hear." > > > > ---Herbert Sebastian Agar > > > > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > > > > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > > "The truth which makes men free is for the most part > > the truth which men prefer not to hear." > > ---Herbert Sebastian Agar > > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ "The truth which makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." ---Herbert Sebastian Agar Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:21:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck2-at-webtv.net (jim blair) Subject: fsj: AMC dealers in Seattle? Anyone know who they were back in '87 or earlier? I called Jeep, and they had no clue (figures). One of the AMC-list guys is trying to figure out what dealership his Javelin racecar came from. ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '83 Cher 4dr, '84 J10 http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:15:11 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: color selection continued karl (a new FSJ type) has been recoloring superdawg... not sure if they're standard colors or not... but at least they're giving me an idea. I'm liking either dawgsilver or dawglightbeer... of course the latter is pretty close to champaign, the color of my '83 300SD... the silver is more of a gray color... http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/SuperDawg/Colors/ try this if the images are too large. http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/SuperDawg/Colors/smaller-pix.html in other news, internet explorer, more secure than ever? :) http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-2939733.html later, john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ "The truth which makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." ---Herbert Sebastian Agar Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:27:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: fsj: Who wants to see a Grand Gremlin? http://members.aol.com/Fredman176/myhomepage/gremjeep.jpg ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10 EFax:603-215-1688 http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:04:42 -0500 From: JeepNut Subject: Re: fsj: Bad vibrations Hi Landon, Definately turn the rear over 180 if you think you did that. It'll make a BIG difference sometimes... (psst, ya sposta mark 'em first) ;-) JeepNut Landon Tesar wrote: > Hi, > > OK. so last night I decided to lube chassis,etc. Had to drop the front > and rear driveshafts to get to the grease zerks on the front of each > driveshaft's u-joints. I had the back right side jacked up so I could > rotate the back driveshaft for easy access. > This morning I get a high speed drumming that feels like it's coming > from the drivetrain. Starts at about 52 mph and gets worse with speed, > so I kept it at about 60. > > Could this be caused by: > 1. rotating the back driveshaft 180 degrees out from original position > with respect to the ujoint yoke on the back of the TC ? > 2. allowing grease to 'push out' the u-joint caps, which may not have > returned to their original position, causing an imbalance ? > 3. Overtightening the bolts that hold the half-moon clamps over the > u-joint caps ? (they weren't too tight to begin with) > > Please pass along any experiences.. > > - Landon > '89 GW - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------- '87 Street Comanche #24/100 '88 Grand Wagoneer ...and they say there's only one... '92 Cherokee - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:15:12 -0700 From: "Allan Weidenheimer" Subject: fsj: 4x4 Swap Meet Any Puget Sound digesters, you can mark your calendars now for the big 4x4 swap meet at the Western Washington fairgrounds in Puyallup. March 10, 2001 is the date. This is a large swap meet where you will find more axles, drivelines and other parts often maimed by 4 wheelers than you though possible in one place. Allan Weidenheimer 87 GW ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:39:35 -0500 From: JeepNut Subject: Re: fsj: My wag is intermittently dying... Hi Mr. Hughes, Just wondering if you found an answer on this yet? It's odd. Sometimes I don't see responses making it to my mailbox re: answers to questions asked..... Perhaps you just uncovered some broken insulation in a wire somewhere in the tangled mess of the passenger side of the engine? The inside of the wire loom (which is to say "the wiring harness") on my '88 Wag was an ugLEE mess of cracked and broken wiring inside... JeepNut Joe Hughes wrote: > Ever since I cleaned the motor at the local car wash. I have this problem > with the motor. It will just randomly start miss firing and the motor will > die. Usually I can shift to neutral and get it started before I have to > pull over, but it has been getting progressively worse. It's happening more > often since it started 3 weeks ago and its getting to be harder to get > started. This morning I finally couldn't even keep it started. Sometimes I > can hear is firing in the exhaust manifold. Can the exhaust ignite the fuel > in the manifold or is the ignition firing late? > > First thing I checked was the cap and rotor but they seemed dry. I went > ahead and replaced them today, but that didn't fix it. I wish I could just > determine if it is gas or spark that is the problem. Anyone have any good > troubleshooting hints for this rookie??? > > **************************** > Joe Hughes > 83 Wagoneer Ltd > Everett, WA > mailto:whomever-at-whoever.com > **************************** - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------- '87 Street Comanche #24/100 '88 Grand Wagoneer ...and they say there's only one... '92 Cherokee - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:29:46 -0500 From: JeepNut Subject: Re: fsj: 84 GW 360 Vac Diagram in MR 253? Hi Mr. Wilson, Did you find B325 in your manual or did I misinterpret what you were looking for? For some reason I didn't see in my mail that anyone had responded... JeepNut BLW1540-at-aol.com wrote: > Can anyone provide a page number in the MR 253 shop manual in which a > comprehensive vacuum diagram for the 360 comparable to that for the 6 found > on page B-344 can be found? > > Bruce Wilson > 84 GW > Des Moines, IA - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------- '87 Street Comanche #24/100 '88 Grand Wagoneer ...and they say there's only one... '92 Cherokee - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 22:44:26 EDT From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Re: tuiti-fruiti > Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:13:41 -0700 > From: john (snip) > I can't bring myself to spend money on something that ugly. But > a root beer metal flake might be ok... will have to look at some > samples and get some good advice... or better yet, just find some > paint and test sample it... don't think it can hurt... I'm gonna > start patching the surface rust and converting it with a polymer, > and sanding it out... That pick doesn't do "black cherry" justice. I've seen black cherry on a GW and it was beautiful. When the light hits it just right you can see the maroon underneath, but otherwise it's nearly black. > anyway, (I hope these files are still on his server, but...) > check out what the 77 wag's soon to be new owner has done: > http://www.nookit.com/JeepsandStuff/bluebus.jpg > http://www.nookit.com/JeepsandStuff/maroonbus.jpg > http://www.nookit.com/JeepsandStuff/greenbus.jpg > http://www.nookit.com/JeepsandStuff/blackcherry1.jpg > http://www.nookit.com/JeepsandStuff/schoolbus.jpg I take back all the mean things I said about parting out the '77. Sounds like the new owner is a Jeep lover. It's a lucky Wag. That green one looks just like a buddy's '77. That brings back some memories. Ben Williams '71 Wagoneer '78 F-250 4x4 '88 Bronco ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 20:07:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: fsj: Weird Email this week (was: My wag is intermittently dying...) A: I've had weird stuff with email this week too. I have my answers show up WAAAY after the person has emailed me another question and I answered that too! Jeepnut wrote:         Just wondering if you found an answer on this yet? It's odd. Sometimes I don't see responses making it to my mailbox re: answers to questions asked.....         JeepNut ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10 EFax:603-215-1688 http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 23:10:24 EDT From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: CJ seats - was ideas for spare location... I'll be interested to see how that works. I snagged some bucket seat brackets out of a '74 Cherokee this spring. I'm trying to wear out my benck seat as fast as I can. : ) I think I rebuilt it too well. Ben Williams '71 Wagoneer '78 F-250 4x4 '88 Bronco In a message dated 10/11/00 11:33:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time, owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net writes: > I ordered the middle of the road high back factory style Steelhorse seats. > In JC's catalog it is item 07za7108x. I've got an old JP Mag that proved if > > you buy seats that will fit in a CJ from that vintage, then they should bolt > > right in as the full size jeeps used the same seats and brackets. JC > usually > stops you if their computer says it won't fit your vehicle and they didn't > give me any problems. JP mag put super seats (Steelhorse) in their old (I > think it is a '79) Cherokee without any trouble at all. I also got the BIG > center console. Trouble is, the seats are on backorder for the last 2 > months > and it just keeps getting colder outside. :-( > - --Vince ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 23:14:36 EDT From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Re: Frutti-Dawg > Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:55:14 -0700 > From: "Karl-at-Nookit.com" > > Okay, fire engine red it is! Good call, that's my new favorite! > > www.nookit.com/JeepsandStuff/dawgfire.jpg I like it! I've always wanted a red vehicle. I've always hated brown ones and it's what I've had the most of. Ben Williams '71 Wagoneer '78 F-250 4x4 '88 Bronco ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 00:56:09 -0500 From: "R.J. Baynum" Subject: Re: fsj: Bad vibrations Last time I had that type of situation, I did not get to it fast enough.. My Drive line Fell out while I was doing 70 mph! That was in Montana.. last year in my 79 wag.. and this year, it was 50 mph in my 80 honcho ... again R.J. Landon Tesar wrote: > Well, it's a before and after thing. Before smooth and nice, after annoying and > discomforting. > > - L > > "R.J. Baynum" wrote: > > > Sounds like the Drive line is not aligned up right.. I would go with number one.. As > > your rpm's go up.. it's getting worse.. > > How did the U joints feel? Is your drive line straight? or it could be bearings.. > > > > R.J. > > > > Landon Tesar wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > OK. so last night I decided to lube chassis,etc. Had to drop the front > > > and rear driveshafts to get to the grease zerks on the front of each > > > driveshaft's u-joints. I had the back right side jacked up so I could > > > rotate the back driveshaft for easy access. > > > This morning I get a high speed drumming that feels like it's coming > > > from the drivetrain. Starts at about 52 mph and gets worse with speed, > > > so I kept it at about 60. > > > > > > Could this be caused by: > > > 1. rotating the back driveshaft 180 degrees out from original position > > > with respect to the ujoint yoke on the back of the TC ? > > > 2. allowing grease to 'push out' the u-joint caps, which may not have > > > returned to their original position, causing an imbalance ? > > > 3. Overtightening the bolts that hold the half-moon clamps over the > > > u-joint caps ? (they weren't too tight to begin with) > > > > > > Please pass along any experiences.. > > > > > > - Landon > > > '89 GW ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 00:13:15 -0700 From: "Karl-at-Nookit.com" Subject: fsj: The Paint Booth Well, if my ftp finishes sometime tonight, you'll be able to see how I spent a good portion of my day. The Grownup equivalent of coloring! You hopefully can see the masterpieces (most of the dawgs you've probably already seen) at: www.nookit.com/JeepsandStuff/paintbooth.asp Lemme know if you find anything broken! If any of you have digital pictures of your FSJ's and would like to see what they'd look like in different color schemes, let me know! I'd be happy to add some new additions to the gallery! I'm sure John has pictures of every Jeep in the world, so we'll be able to find something like yours if you don't have pics. I will do this free of charge in exchange for the massive amount of advice I'm gonna need in the next 6 months while I'm restoring the '77 from John! hehe Talk to you soon! Karl ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #1063 **************************