From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Thu Oct 12 19:01:45 2000 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Thursday, October 12 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1064 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: Bad vibrations fsj: Re: got it down to 5 choices... :) fsj: Re: got it down to 5 choices... :) Re: fsj: Re: got it down to 5 choices... :) fsj: Colors Re: fsj: Re: got it down to 5 choices... :) Re: fsj: Re: got it down to 5 choices... :) Re: fsj: Re: got it down to 5 choices... :) Re: fsj: Re: got it down to 5 choices... :) Re: fsj: Colors fsj: 4350/2100 carb adapter/spacer Q's Re: fsj: 4350/2100 carb adapter/spacer Q's Re: fsj: Colors Re: fsj: Re: got it down to 5 choices... :) fsj: NYC trip off... fsj: Color my world Fw: fsj: Bad vibrations FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 09:33:26 -0500 From: "Landon Tesar" Subject: Re: fsj: Bad vibrations Well, it was none of the above. R.J., you were right. The front driveshaft front u-joint was not seated properly. One of the caps was sitting on the tang that's supposed to center the u-joint. All I could say was 'SLOPPY!' All better now. - - Landon "R.J. Baynum" wrote: > Last time I had that type of situation, I did not get to it fast enough.. My Drive line > Fell out while I was doing 70 mph! > That was in Montana.. last year in my 79 wag.. and this year, it was 50 mph in my 80 honcho > ... again > R.J. > > Landon Tesar wrote: > > > Well, it's a before and after thing. Before smooth and nice, after annoying and > > discomforting. > > > > - L > > > > "R.J. Baynum" wrote: > > > > > Sounds like the Drive line is not aligned up right.. I would go with number one.. As > > > your rpm's go up.. it's getting worse.. > > > How did the U joints feel? Is your drive line straight? or it could be bearings.. > > > > > > R.J. > > > > > > Landon Tesar wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > OK. so last night I decided to lube chassis,etc. Had to drop the front > > > > and rear driveshafts to get to the grease zerks on the front of each > > > > driveshaft's u-joints. I had the back right side jacked up so I could > > > > rotate the back driveshaft for easy access. > > > > This morning I get a high speed drumming that feels like it's coming > > > > from the drivetrain. Starts at about 52 mph and gets worse with speed, > > > > so I kept it at about 60. > > > > > > > > Could this be caused by: > > > > 1. rotating the back driveshaft 180 degrees out from original position > > > > with respect to the ujoint yoke on the back of the TC ? > > > > 2. allowing grease to 'push out' the u-joint caps, which may not have > > > > returned to their original position, causing an imbalance ? > > > > 3. Overtightening the bolts that hold the half-moon clamps over the > > > > u-joint caps ? (they weren't too tight to begin with) > > > > > > > > Please pass along any experiences.. > > > > > > > > - Landon > > > > '89 GW ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 09:38:28 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: got it down to 5 choices... :) At 09:45 AM 10/12/00 -0700, Tim Dickison wrote: >Well, you hit my hot button. Color is /has always been important to me, the >car guy, Silver is 1st choice.(ie my vette and current truck, that creammy >yellow is cool too!! flush the rest. Kisses, Tim see, there's my dilema! I can't make up my mind either... ;) 1, 2 or 3 work for me... I guess I need to see #3 with better coloring... 2 is ok, keeps things close to what it is now, but without that orange tint... 1 looks the best right now... hey, did they fix SR9 yet? ;) john http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/SuperDawg/Colors/select.html - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ "The truth which makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." ---Herbert Sebastian Agar Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 09:41:46 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: got it down to 5 choices... :) At 11:30 AM 10/12/00 +0200, tommy.lovsund-at-se.abb.com wrote: >Out of those five I'd pick no.3 light ivory cream, it's very easy to apply >and will look good >with only minor sanding / prepping. Trust me I paint my own cars/trucks, my >fire red Cherokee >req. major prepping to look good, not to forget my dark blue LTD, what a >PITA. >Later, >Tommy see... that's exactly where I've been heading all along... the light ivory creme, a light yellow kinda color, like what's on the little wagoneer, is easy to apply and maintain... looks good all the time... however, that silver looks pretty forgiving... but only in photoshop... ;) http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/SuperDawg/Colors/select.html john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ "The truth which makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." ---Herbert Sebastian Agar Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 09:55:20 -0700 From: Paul & Megan Kershner Subject: Re: fsj: Re: got it down to 5 choices... :) I still like the Silver color. pk john wrote: > At 11:30 AM 10/12/00 +0200, tommy.lovsund-at-se.abb.com wrote: > >Out of those five I'd pick no.3 light ivory cream, it's very easy to apply > >and will look good > >with only minor sanding / prepping. Trust me I paint my own cars/trucks, my > >fire red Cherokee > >req. major prepping to look good, not to forget my dark blue LTD, what a > >PITA. > >Later, > >Tommy > > see... that's exactly where I've been heading all along... the light > ivory creme, a light yellow kinda color, like what's on the little wagoneer, > is easy to apply and maintain... looks good all the time... > > however, that silver looks pretty forgiving... but only in photoshop... ;) > > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/SuperDawg/Colors/select.html > > john > ------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > "The truth which makes men free is for the most part > the truth which men prefer not to hear." > ---Herbert Sebastian Agar > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:28:30 -0700 From: "Karl-at-Nookit.com" Subject: fsj: Colors Dang, still no votes for the dalmation...hehe I like the fire engine red. It does take a lot more work, but in the end, it's worth it. The J10 stepside is one of the coolest Jeeps out there, why not make it stand out a little? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:31:35 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Re: got it down to 5 choices... :) At 09:55 AM 10/12/00 -0700, Paul & Megan Kershner wrote: >I still like the Silver color. >pk > > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/SuperDawg/Colors/select.html > > silver is pretty popular... then the ivory... I'm thinking number 2 as well, since it's very close to an original color used on the GW and would keep it in the family and maintain the looks and benefits of a lighter color... john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ "The truth which makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." ---Herbert Sebastian Agar Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:35:30 -0700 From: "Karl-at-Nookit.com" Subject: Re: fsj: Re: got it down to 5 choices... :) for the record, my wife likes #2 the best, and I must agree that if you go with the more subdued colors, that's my favorite, too. It's got just a little more character than the silver/grey color. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" To: Cc: ; Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 10:31 AM Subject: Re: fsj: Re: got it down to 5 choices... :) > At 09:55 AM 10/12/00 -0700, Paul & Megan Kershner wrote: > >I still like the Silver color. > >pk > > > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/SuperDawg/Colors/select.html > > > > > silver is pretty popular... then the ivory... > > I'm thinking number 2 as well, since it's very close to > an original color used on the GW and would keep it in the family > and maintain the looks and benefits of a lighter color... > > john > ------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > "The truth which makes men free is for the most part > the truth which men prefer not to hear." > ---Herbert Sebastian Agar > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:41:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Re: got it down to 5 choices... :) A: So you want to paint your truck a different shade of #2? Yuch! LOL! Karl wrote: for the record, my wife likes #2 the best, and I must agree that if you go with the more subdued colors, that's my favorite, too. It's got just a little more character than the silver/grey color. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" To: Cc: ; Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 10:31 AM Subject: Re: fsj: Re: got it down to 5 choices... :) At 09:55 AM 10/12/00 -0700, Paul & Megan Kershner wrote: I still like the Silver color. pk http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/SuperDawg/Colors/select.html silver is pretty popular... then the ivory... I'm thinking number 2 as well, since it's very close to an original color used on the GW and would keep it in the family and maintain the looks and benefits of a lighter color... john ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10 EFax:603-215-1688 http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:47:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Re: got it down to 5 choices... :) A: My wife like blackdawg, then firedawg, closely followed by dalmation At 09:55 AM 10/12/00 -0700, Paul & Megan Kershner wrote: I still like the Silver color. pk http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/SuperDawg/Colors/select.html silver is pretty popular... then the ivory... I'm thinking number 2 as well, since it's very close to an original color used on the GW and would keep it in the family and maintain the looks and benefits of a lighter color... john ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10 EFax:603-215-1688 http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:50:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Colors A: I like the fire too! Closley followed by black, and the dalmation is cute. Karl wrote: Dang, still no votes for the dalmation...hehe I like the fire engine red. It does take a lot more work, but in the end, it's worth it. The J10 stepside is one of the coolest Jeeps out there, why not make it stand out a little? ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10 EFax:603-215-1688 http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:31:01 EDT From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: 4350/2100 carb adapter/spacer Q's The latest twist in the 4350 saga is that I'm gonna send it to Recarbo for a repair estimate: maximum being about the same as what an Edelbrock or Carter would cost. Potentially, they'll just tweak it a little and send it back to me for a minimal charge. In the interim I'll run the old 2100 for a while. It was nicely tuned when I retired it and was a good argument for leaving well enough alone. I bought a 2v to 4v adapter. Everything looks good. Then I notice the 2100 may be too high off the manifold (for hood clearance) because it has what seems to be a simple 1/2" aluminum spacer under it. I don't know if this is a stock item. I can find no reference to it in the TSM. The PCV was hooked to the spacer. There is a similar sized capped-off nipple on the back of the carb. The carb in the TSM pics doesn't have this nipple. The TSM also doesn't show where the PCV port on the carb should be. Anybody know if this spacer is stock or aftermarket? If I knew that the big 'ol nipple on the back of the carb was for the PCV then I'd just displace the spacer. Any ideas? Ben Williams '71 Wagoneer '78 F-250 4x4 '88 Bronco ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:56:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: 4350/2100 carb adapter/spacer Q's A: You either have a 2150 spacer, or Ford carb. (the one on my 289 was like that) Ben Williams wrote: The latest twist in the 4350 saga is that I'm gonna send it to Recarbo for a repair estimate: maximum being about the same as what an Edelbrock or Carter would cost. Potentially, they'll just tweak it a little and send it back to me for a minimal charge. In the interim I'll run the old 2100 for a while. It was nicely tuned when I retired it and was a good argument for leaving well enough alone. I bought a 2v to 4v adapter. Everything looks good. Then I notice the 2100 may be too high off the manifold (for hood clearance) because it has what seems to be a simple 1/2" aluminum spacer under it. I don't know if this is a stock item. I can find no reference to it in the TSM. The PCV was hooked to the spacer. There is a similar sized capped-off nipple on the back of the carb. The carb in the TSM pics doesn't have this nipple. The TSM also doesn't show where the PCV port on the carb should be. Anybody know if this spacer is stock or aftermarket? If I knew that the big 'ol nipple on the back of the carb was for the PCV then I'd just displace the spacer. Any ideas? Ben Williams '71 Wagoneer '78 F-250 4x4 '88 Bronco ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10 EFax:603-215-1688 http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:45:06 -0500 From: Dan Black Subject: Re: fsj: Colors "Karl-at-Nookit.com" said: {- Dang, still no votes for the dalmation...hehe There used to be a couple dalmatian (yes, I spelled it right ;) ) cars in the area. One was a mileagemobile (Geo, I think), and one was a Wrangler. Jeeps actually look just fine in that scheme -- kinda cute, but in a manly way. ;) Though it might look better without the wood paneling then. {- I like the fire engine red. It does take a lot more work, but in the end, {- it's worth it. The J10 stepside is one of the coolest Jeeps out there, why {- not make it stand out a little? You mean "speeding ticket red"? I like to avoid that because, well, the name is accurate. Though speaking of dalmatians and fire engines, you might actually get away with following fire trucks if you had the dalmatian color scheme. :) (No, of course I'm not actually recommending following a fire truck.) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I may be schizophrenic, but at least I have each other. - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:01:08 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Re: got it down to 5 choices... :) At 10:35 AM 10/12/00 -0700, Karl-at-Nookit.com wrote: >for the record, my wife likes #2 the best, and I must agree that if you go >with the more subdued colors, that's my favorite, too. It's got just a >little more character than the silver/grey color. I'll dig out the color charts... I think the 88 and up GW's had a color very close... there was a GW on ebay... let's see if I can find the URL... here it is.... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=456078112&r=0&t=0 I emailed the guy, I'd like to see the rig up close... he's just down the road from me... haven't heard back yet... :( john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ "The truth which makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." ---Herbert Sebastian Agar Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:12:31 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: NYC trip off... My "university of Perl" trip is off... My solaris admin just gave notice. We were going to go together. I don't want to go alone. He was the Perl guru and I was looking forward to getting a double shot of Perl, in class and while sight seeing. As many of you know I'm not terribly excited about NYC anyway, my only real regret is not being able to meet up with Joe, a guy I worked with a few years back... That's the only sad part about not going. Joe, we'll get together some other time! It would have been great! I was looking forward to meeting other NY types from the lists too... maybe some other time. In this line of work you never know where you'll get to go. Hey, if you're a Solaris/Linux admin with a CS or engineering degree and want to work in Everett, Washington... email your resume ASAP. I'm interviewing a guy tonight... hopefully he'll accept... otherwise I'm in for a rough time taking care of 70 plus systems all by myself, and interviewing candidates... john - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- HP-UX, Solaris, Linux http://www.wagoneers.com/UNIX/ http://wagoneers.com/UNIX/Courses.html http://wagoneers.com/pages/ComputerSurvival-101.html http://www.wagoneers.com/UNIX/LINUX/year-of-the-penguin.html UNIX is user-friendly; it's just picky about who its friends are. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:52:22 -0600 From: "Kim Smith" Subject: fsj: Color my world A couple of other options: Chrysler now has a metallic bronze/gold called "Amber Fire" that I like a lot. If you like a real peacock blue/green turquoise, there is an older Chrysler color called "Turquoise Metallic", code SQ-6 that is great! I had a TC-3 repainted that color. Joe is going to be flat forest green when I get him done. Will look like a Marine Corps staffcar. I use him off-road enough that I can't justify a show-n-shine paint job, it would just get scratched. ************************************************************************* Kim Smith 1980 Wagoneer "Joe", 360,2v,727,219 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:02:45 -0600 From: "Kim Smith" Subject: Fw: fsj: Bad vibrations - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Smith" To: "Landon Tesar" Sent: 12 October, 2000 15:41 Subject: Re: fsj: Bad vibrations > Glad to be back. > > The needle is for the fittings in the double Cardan joint at the front of the > transfer case. The rest are easy to get to, but you either must put everything in > Neutral, and/or put it up on jack stands, with the tranny in neutral, so you can > rotate the shafts and reach the fittings. You almost always have to raise the front > end to get to the axle u-joints, so it is easy enough to do the full monty. > I find that I prefer a pistol grip grease gun with a flex hose rather than a pipe > outlet. My only other caveat is (as I have said many times on this list) to replace > the straps and bolts every time you have the u-joint off. The straps are made as a > stretch to fit item, and usually lose their clamping power after the second time > they are snugged up. And let's face it, those bolts are WAY undersized. Thank > goodness the after-market killed those stupid Torx head bolts AMC used! > > Joe is not healthy. I was scheduled to go into the hospital for medical treatments > starting 11 SEP, when someone side-swiped Joe, and took out the left front fender > tore the left end off the bumper to the mount.I got all the adjuster looking at it, > body shop estimating, etc... done before I left, and know I am waiting for the check > to arrive. > > ************************************************************************* > Kim Smith > 1980 Wagoneer "Joe", 360,2v,727,219 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Landon Tesar" > To: "Kim Smith" > Sent: 12 October, 2000 09:51 > Subject: Re: fsj: Bad vibrations > > > > Hi, KIM!!! > > > > I was trying to figure out how I did it last time, and I remember that I've got > one of > > those needle ends on the other grease gun - seems strange to put that on a grease > zerk > > though. > > At least they look like they're easy to replace. There may have been some metal > > shavings of u-joint cap eating yoke shaft tang. > > How is Joe ? I've missed you on the list. > > > > - Landon > > > > Kim Smith wrote: > > > > > I'll bet you put the t-case and tranny in "Neutral" next time, so you can turn > those > > > shafts and reach the zerks without doing a tear-down. ;-) Just remember to > block > > > the wheels! Bet that joint dies on you PDQ after that abuse. Hope you didn't > lose > > > any needle bearings in the process. > > > > > > ************************************************************************* > > > Kim Smith > > > 1980 Wagoneer "Joe", 360,2v,727,219 > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Landon Tesar" > > > To: "R.J. Baynum" > > > Cc: ; <1FSJ-at-egroups.com> > > > Sent: 12 October, 2000 08:33 > > > Subject: Re: fsj: Bad vibrations > > > > > > > Well, it was none of the above. R.J., you were right. The front driveshaft > front > > > u-joint was > > > > not seated properly. One of the caps was sitting on the tang that's supposed > to > > > center the > > > > u-joint. All I could say was 'SLOPPY!' All better now. > > > > - Landon > > > > > > > > "R.J. Baynum" wrote: > > > > > > > > > Last time I had that type of situation, I did not get to it fast enough.. My > > > Drive line > > > > > Fell out while I was doing 70 mph! > > > > > That was in Montana.. last year in my 79 wag.. and this year, it was 50 mph > in > > > my 80 honcho > > > > > ... again > > > > > R.J. > > > > > > > > > > Landon Tesar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Well, it's a before and after thing. Before smooth and nice, after > annoying > > > and > > > > > > discomforting. > > > > > > > > > > > > - L > > > > > > > > > > > > "R.J. Baynum" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sounds like the Drive line is not aligned up right.. I would go with > number > > > one.. As > > > > > > > your rpm's go up.. it's getting worse.. > > > > > > > How did the U joints feel? Is your drive line straight? or it could be > > > bearings.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > R.J. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Landon Tesar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK. so last night I decided to lube chassis,etc. Had to drop the > front > > > > > > > > and rear driveshafts to get to the grease zerks on the front of each > > > > > > > > driveshaft's u-joints. I had the back right side jacked up so I could > > > > > > > > rotate the back driveshaft for easy access. > > > > > > > > This morning I get a high speed drumming that feels like it's coming > > > > > > > > from the drivetrain. Starts at about 52 mph and gets worse with > speed, > > > > > > > > so I kept it at about 60. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could this be caused by: > > > > > > > > 1. rotating the back driveshaft 180 degrees out from original position > > > > > > > > with respect to the ujoint yoke on the back of the TC ? > > > > > > > > 2. allowing grease to 'push out' the u-joint caps, which may not have > > > > > > > > returned to their original position, causing an imbalance ? > > > > > > > > 3. Overtightening the bolts that hold the half-moon clamps over the > > > > > > > > u-joint caps ? (they weren't too tight to begin with) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please pass along any experiences.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Landon > > > > > > > > '89 GW ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #1064 **************************