From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Mon Oct 30 19:30:26 2000 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Monday, October 30 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1088 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: Re: Lots of FSJ Work fsj: TLynn - right on! fsj: '56 Jeep pick up for sale in Seattle fsj: Re: [1FSJ] GW Center console Re: fsj: First day on the job! fsj: Superdawg rides again... fsj: np241 Re: fsj: Re: rear window problem on a 87 grandwagoneer Re: fsj: Re: rear window problem on a 87 grandwagoneer Re: fsj: Re: Question fsj: 5-lug pattern measurement Re: fsj: Re: rear window problem on a 87 grandwagoneer Re: fsj: Re: rear window problem on a 87 grandwagoneer fsj: auto trans manuals fsj: Re: [1FSJ] GW Center console fsj: my spare '90 AW4 is now sold! fsj: Re: Wiring Harnesses fsj: RE: Lots of FSJ Work FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 20:19:13 EST From: UrbFarmer-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Re: Lots of FSJ Work Thanks Ray. Makes a guy seriously think about taking Jim (Carnuck) up on his spare Wagoneer frame! - --Vince In a message dated 10/29/00 11:01:50 AM Central Standard Time, RayLists-at-quixnet.net writes: > I would have it professionally done for the peace of mind factor. Also, > there may be some bending in the rest of the frame. Someone with a frame > bender will be able to straighten it out if there is. > > Once metal is bent, it is weakened. A professional (if he is worth his > salt) will be able to tell you if that is a concern. You might end up > welding a couple strips of metal to the frame to reinforce it (peace of mind > again) > > Ray Drouillard > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2000 11:36 AM > Subject: fsj: Lots of FSJ Work > > > > It is encouraging to know that all of us are out working on our FSJ's. > > > > My daughter got rear-ended by a caprice last week. Wierd accident, hit > the > > end of the hitch bar on her bumper, no other contact point. Hit so hard > that > > it caused my rear crossbar to bend, also put wrinkles on the bottom of the > > frame on either side where the hitch bolts on to the frame rails. The > good > > news is that the entire impact was absorbed by the frame and the hitch, no > > tailgate or body damage. > > > > Drove the Rez home no problem except the accident caused the np219 to go > into > > neutral. I had to drive down to the accident site and put the case back > in > > gear 'cause my daughter isn't mechanically minded. I noticed right away > that > > the transfer case didn't shift quite right. I also noticed that the jeep > > wouldn't go into park very easy. I crawled under it and notced that the > > linkage looked canted back at the tranny so I looked at the motor > > mounts........you guessed it! They had sheared and the engine and tranny > had > > moved back about 2". Found new motor mounts at Carquest, put my hoist on > the > > motor, lifted, tugged, pried, and got the engine and tranny back in > position. > > Boogered my new tranny mount pretty good too as I think that was all that > > was holding things from dropping on the ground. Had to take the brackets > off > > the engine to put the new mounts on. But I finally got the job done > > yesterday afternoon. The Rez is safe again and shifts fine again. > > > > Now........my hitch ball is a little too close to the bumper to actually > > hitch up a trailer. Do I dare chain the hitch to an immovable object > (like a > > tree) to straighten things out again or should I have it professionally > > straightened? I have a very big log chain so I'm not worried about > breaking > > the chain or the tree. I'm more worried about the effect on the FSJ. Any > > ideas out there? > > --Vince > > '81 Wag ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 18:10:49 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: TLynn - right on! PROBLEM: couldn't get the leaf springs to line back up... >At 02:03 AM 10/29/00 -0600, TLynn wrote: > >Use a come-a-long on the spring. went out this afternoon after church, tried to pry, push and coax things together... finally went to the back of the little wagoneer and got out one each old come-a-long, wrapped it around the axle and springs, hooked the other end to the rear shackle, ratchet, ratchet, ratchet, clunk. :) right on dude. you b d man. thanx. pix at: http://wagoneers.com/JEEPS/tech/2inBlocks-N-overloads/ Now my heater cable is stuck... :( I think the problem is in the box too... john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ "The truth which makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." ---Herbert Sebastian Agar Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 20:25:37 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: fsj: '56 Jeep pick up for sale in Seattle A: Not mine! (I wish!) been sitting, good title $1000 206-763-8526 (Would this qualify as a FSJ?) ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10 EFax:603-215-1688 http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 21:12:28 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: fsj: Re: [1FSJ] GW Center console A: I tracked down a nice HD metal box with hideaway CD box at http://www.Olympic4x4.com when I was out there, but didn't measure for sure. Steven Adeff wrote: I'm planning on a stereo upgrade to my GW which will involve a new amp. My plan is to put it between the two front seats and either raise the armrest thing, or just get rid of it and make/buy a new center console(similar to newer SUV's like the Grand Cherokee and Ford Explorer have). Has anyone seen after market consoles that I could put here? Some drink holders, storage space, and of course an arm rest would be nice =) Thanks! Steven Adeff ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10 EFax:603-215-1688 http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 21:21:35 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: First day on the job! A: Does anyone know an easy way to soothe aching feet? 8 hours with only a 15 minute break from standing on concrete! Way to go Jim! Good luck in your new job! --Vince Carnuck-at-webtv.net writes: I'm off to work now. Catch you all later! ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10 EFax:603-215-1688 http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 21:41:20 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: Superdawg rides again... I finally took SuperDawg off of the jacks and drove him around the yard today... Felt great... new tach, bumper, auxillary tank, more lights (IPF backup)... better speakers, sunroof leak fixed, headliner redone... new hitch... 2" lift blocks in the rear, coil overload springs and rancho 9000s, even washed him. :) http://wagoneers.com/JEEPS/tech/2inBlocks-N-overloads/ Since I bought the 300SD I haven't driven him more than once... The only thing I don't like about the 300SD is you can't see over other cars. :) I listed the 300SD back on ebay and figure it'll sell this time, have two folks mildly interested. It's probably the best car I've ever owned. Hate to part with it, but sheesh... how many cars does one car nut need to have? :) I drove the little wagoneer around today too... it rides better than my friends new XJ. That Old Man Emu lift really is better than stock. :) I'm looking forward to driving SuperDawg to work tomorrow... even though the stupid heater control cable is jammed... arggghhh... One thing I've learned about owning FSJ's and Mercedes... they HAVE to be used. In other news, microsoft has been hacked... again... http://www.internetweek.com/story/INW20001027S0007 (I'm planning on getting a Palm Vx and syncing it with my HP-UX system, anyone done that before??? I guess I'll try it with Linux first. Only need to get a driver for my FlashPath Disk for my digital camera and setup the USB twain driver for my scanner... oh yeah, and a video card...) found out friday that my company isn't planning on replacing the guy that's leaving... budgets are frozen... yikes... we needed three guys to do what we were doing... so I'll be taking care of over 70 systems, and almost a dozen applications all by myself... HP-UX, Solaris and Linux... My boss says he's working the budget issue... we'll see how it goes... if it doesn't, I might... ;) later, john - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- HP-UX, Solaris, Linux http://www.wagoneers.com/UNIX/ http://wagoneers.com/UNIX/Courses.html http://wagoneers.com/pages/ComputerSurvival-101.html http://www.wagoneers.com/UNIX/LINUX/year-of-the-penguin.html UNIX is user-friendly; it's just picky about who its friends are. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 23:38:03 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: fsj: np241 A: Anyone know anything about these? from '94-'97 Dodge truck ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10 EFax:603-215-1688 http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 07:11:03 -0600 From: JeepNut Subject: Re: fsj: Re: rear window problem on a 87 grandwagoneer Hi Mr. Willan, Whenever I have to get into the tailgate so far the motor has been good for the lifting mechanism, so to move the thing up/down as I need to, I just use my battery charger as a 12v power source and unplug the motor, hook up jumper wires into the motor connector and then touch the jumpers to the battery charger leads to run the window as needed so I can work on the thing. But if the glass is all the way down, you're in a world of hurt. Good Luck. I was gonna put "quick release" screws on there since it seems to be a fairly frequent access, but haven't come up with a good idea yet. Maybe just weld litte tabs on all the screws so I can take em on and off with no tools. JeepNut john wrote: > At 12:50 PM 10/29/00 -0800, Daniel Willan wrote: > >I have a 87 grand wagoneer. The window went down and wont go up. we > >removed the rear panel on the tailgate to find the glass between the > >outside access panel and the mechanism. I cant figure out how to move the > >glass back up to get to the motor. plesae help > >thanks > >dan willan > > this is pretty much why I have an '83 J10 Stepside. :) Did you know there > are 23 screws to get that access cover off? ;) > > Seriously, there is a clip that should hold the bottom of the window to > two arms. It sounds like they came off or the track rusted off the bottom > of the glass. You should be able to get the window back into the two side > channels and push it up. I'd recommend lowering the tailgate and working > the glass out that way... ;) You could remove the two side rails as that > will give you more room to work the glass out. Mark where the screws are > though or you'll spend more time lining things up when you get everything > fixed. > > Once the glass is out, look for those two arms, and at the bottom of the > window. Make sure the two side rails have rubber/felt in good condition > and replace if necessary. Then make sure the bottom edge of the glass has > the two slots for the arms. > > You know it could be as simple as the two clips came off... So I'd hold off > on removing those side rails unless you have no other choice... > > I'm cc'ing this to the list. But there is some help info in the tech > section on wagoneers.com. > > best wishes. > john > ====================================================================================== > To subscribe to a list on digest.net, EMAIL majordomo-at-digest.net, no > subject needed, > in the body: subscribe [ fsj | xj | diesel-benz ] > end > > (note: select only one of the options in the brackets) > > You will need to reply to an authentication message. Add a "-digest" to > any of the lists > to subscribe in the digest mode (messages are grouped, less > traffic). 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'92 Cherokee - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 08:15:42 CST From: Dan Black Subject: Re: fsj: Re: rear window problem on a 87 grandwagoneer john said: {- Seriously, there is a clip that should hold the bottom of the window to {- two arms. It sounds like they came off or the track rusted off the bottom {- of the glass. You should be able to get the window back into the two side {- channels and push it up. I'd recommend lowering the tailgate and working {- the glass out that way... ;) You could remove the two side rails as that {- will give you more room to work the glass out. Mark where the screws are {- though or you'll spend more time lining things up when you get everything {- fixed. {- {- Once the glass is out, look for those two arms, and at the bottom of the {- window. Make sure the two side rails have rubber/felt in good condition {- and replace if necessary. Then make sure the bottom edge of the glass has {- the two slots for the arms. That reminds me: My '74 originally had a power tailgate window, but when the motor died, they replaced it with some sort of hand crank. Turns out they have two weird dials on the back, neither in place of the keyhole for the power, and neither with a real handle. I don't know which is supposed to be the crank, but neither will budge -- probably frozen with rust. So anyway, I have a replacement motor and was just wondering if all the other parts inside were the same... Will I be able to break into the gate and just take their junk off and hook in the good motor where the old one used to be? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. -- Douglas Adams - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 08:24:17 CST From: Dan Black Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Question john said: {- At 12:59 PM 10/29/00 -0600, you wrote: {- >Two, the interior seats are leather and are pretty cracked, I have heard of {- >a compound that seals the cracks and then you re-stain the leather?? Or am {- >I better off buying new seats? {- {- I'd recommend finding seats out of an '86 or newer GW so you get headrests. [...] {- An interior/upholstery shop can rework your seats, one of the guys on the {- full size jeep list just had his redone. My '85 has headrests, too -- dunno if they were just an option then or standard. I'm in the process of trying to get them off to replace the bench seat in a '74. I know my dad once tried, against my wishes, to use some of that leather crack sealer on my seats when I had the '84 (now Bruce's). The stuff started peeling on the edges within a few weeks or months... and was really scratchy and annoying when wearing shorts (or on bare arms on the armrest)! And it was obvious anyway -- looked like old yellowed Scotch tape peeling off. I don't know if it was just the brand we got or not, but I would really avoid those in the future. I ended up peeling off most of the stuff he put on when the edges started peeling up. Cracked leather may look more worn, but it still looks better than leather with crud on it. And the cracks in the leather still feel fine on your legs and arms -- doesn't pinch or scratch like cracked plastic! (So Bruce, that's the story behind your seats... ;) ) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Death is the only great adventure! -- JAS Hook, Capt. - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 10:42:52 -0600 From: "Landon Tesar" Subject: fsj: 5-lug pattern measurement Hi, 5 lug pattern, get the diameter = If b = distance between bolt centers of any two adjacent bolts, dia = 1.7013 * b Yes ? - - Landon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 10:30:43 -0800 From: Paul & Megan Kershner Subject: Re: fsj: Re: rear window problem on a 87 grandwagoneer One thing to be aware of: The rail attached to the bottom of the window only works one way. If your window has a defroster in it, it is easy to tell which way the window would go back in. Otherwise, you won't be able to put the clips back on the arms/window rail if it is flipped (I know from past experience...), so remember how you take it out! pk Dan Black wrote: > > john said: > {- Seriously, there is a clip that should hold the bottom of the window to > {- two arms. It sounds like they came off or the track rusted off the bottom > {- of the glass. You should be able to get the window back into the two side > {- channels and push it up. I'd recommend lowering the tailgate and working > {- the glass out that way... ;) You could remove the two side rails as that > {- will give you more room to work the glass out. Mark where the screws are > {- though or you'll spend more time lining things up when you get everything > {- fixed. > {- > {- Once the glass is out, look for those two arms, and at the bottom of the > {- window. Make sure the two side rails have rubber/felt in good condition > {- and replace if necessary. Then make sure the bottom edge of the glass has > {- the two slots for the arms. > > That reminds me: My '74 originally had a power tailgate window, but > when the motor died, they replaced it with some sort of hand crank. > Turns out they have two weird dials on the back, neither in place of the > keyhole for the power, and neither with a real handle. I don't know > which is supposed to be the crank, but neither will budge -- probably > frozen with rust. > > So anyway, I have a replacement motor and was just wondering if all the > other parts inside were the same... Will I be able to break into the > gate and just take their junk off and hook in the good motor where the > old one used to be? > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from > the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent > disinclination to do so. > -- Douglas Adams > -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 10:50:20 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Re: rear window problem on a 87 grandwagoneer try slapping the tailgate on the driver's side. It may just be the safety switch isn't fully engaged. ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10 EFax:603-215-1688 http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 11:04:22 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: fsj: auto trans manuals A: Anyone want to buy a ATSG 727/904 tech manual (I'll throw in the old parts catalog for various makes with it) for $20 with postage. ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10 EFax:603-215-1688 http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 11:07:09 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: fsj: Re: [1FSJ] GW Center console A: Anyone want a black center seat bottom? (the top was removed by DSPO) ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10 EFax:603-215-1688 http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 12:44:33 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: fsj: my spare '90 AW4 is now sold! It just went to Tacoma (well, I dropped it off there) and now I'm off to work again! ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10 EFax:603-215-1688 http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 15:08:11 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: Wiring Harnesses At 08:07 PM 10/30/00 +0000, you wrote: >Hello John >here is Lucille >I speak with Michael and he say he need a Wiring Harnesse for the Truck. >He say ,for the Motor we can buy some parts in Germany.Id woud be nice if >you can help us to buy one. > best wishes from Michael and special thanks for helping us!!!! We can't even buy a new wiring harness here in the states. You'll have to make your own or use a generic aftermarket wiring kit. john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ "The truth which makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." ---Herbert Sebastian Agar Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 17:16:19 -0800 From: "Joe Hughes" Subject: fsj: RE: Lots of FSJ Work I busted my motor mounts (and tranny mounts too) driving to Cabo San Lucas (From Seattle). We did a lot of off roading to get to some isolated beaches while in Baja. I paid a mechanic $30 to weld on some chain around the tranny mount and to each side of the engine mounts. Worked excellent and I still got to do a bunch more off roading while I was down there without any worries. Anyways, I was just curious what those cost you and approx. how long did it take? - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of UrbFarmer-at-aol.com Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2000 8:37 AM To: fsj-at-digest.net Subject: fsj: Lots of FSJ Work It is encouraging to know that all of us are out working on our FSJ's. My daughter got rear-ended by a caprice last week. Wierd accident, hit the end of the hitch bar on her bumper, no other contact point. Hit so hard that it caused my rear crossbar to bend, also put wrinkles on the bottom of the frame on either side where the hitch bolts on to the frame rails. The good news is that the entire impact was absorbed by the frame and the hitch, no tailgate or body damage. Drove the Rez home no problem except the accident caused the np219 to go into neutral. I had to drive down to the accident site and put the case back in gear 'cause my daughter isn't mechanically minded. I noticed right away that the transfer case didn't shift quite right. I also noticed that the jeep wouldn't go into park very easy. I crawled under it and notced that the linkage looked canted back at the tranny so I looked at the motor mounts........you guessed it! They had sheared and the engine and tranny had moved back about 2". Found new motor mounts at Carquest, put my hoist on the motor, lifted, tugged, pried, and got the engine and tranny back in position. Boogered my new tranny mount pretty good too as I think that was all that was holding things from dropping on the ground. Had to take the brackets off the engine to put the new mounts on. But I finally got the job done yesterday afternoon. The Rez is safe again and shifts fine again. Now........my hitch ball is a little too close to the bumper to actually hitch up a trailer. Do I dare chain the hitch to an immovable object (like a tree) to straighten things out again or should I have it professionally straightened? I have a very big log chain so I'm not worried about breaking the chain or the tree. I'm more worried about the effect on the FSJ. Any ideas out there? - --Vince '81 Wag ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #1088 **************************