From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Wed Nov 1 17:46:02 2000 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Wednesday, November 1 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1090 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: misc FSJ type tidbits... fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list fsj: driveshafts fsj: swiss army xj... Snohomish Fest? fsj: 5-lug pattern measurement Re: fsj: First day on job, now physical therapy! fsj: Re: [1FSJ] misc FSJ type tidbits... fsj: Re: [1FSJ] misc FSJ type tidbits... fsj: Re: [1FSJ] misc FSJ type tidbits... fsj: Re: [1FSJ] misc FSJ type tidbits... fsj: Re: [1FSJ] misc FSJ type tidbits... fsj: Got blowby? Re: fsj: Re: [1FSJ] misc FSJ type tidbits... Re: fsj: Re: [1FSJ] misc FSJ type tidbits... FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 23:01:25 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: misc FSJ type tidbits... the screws that hold the center hubs in place on the alloy rims are #8 x 1/2in oval head phillips. :) I think someone was trying to help themselves to one of my caps when I was at the Dentist. Kind of strange that two screws were missing and the third one dangling... and I'd just driven about 25 miles with no problems... ;) DASH stuff: The amp gauge and oil pressure gauge in one of my old SJ dash clusters have "stewart warner" written across the tops of them. So, while I am wrestling with my heater cable, have SuperDawg's dash out right now and am thinking of how I can use the '89 XJ oil pressure gauge and volt gauge in place of the SJ's... without too much modification. Hey, Jimmy B, you mentioned a stock volt gauge that could be dropped in place of the AMP gauge, could you repeat the year and make so I can try to find one? I had to pull my 4,000 rpm DATCON tach tonight... it wasn't right... First off it would only work when set to 8 cylinder. And then it was really erratic. I'm returning it and buying one at a speed shop... going to go to Evergreen Speed in Everett, if I can find it... "Uncle Al" moved from Rucker somewhere... :) I drove the 300SD today... man, the ride and economy is great. But I do wish the Germans would learn something about hysteresis... The temperature control and cruise control systems are all over the map... I long for the simple cable control of our FSJs to adjust the heat... But wouldn't ya know it the first time I drive my SJ in about a month and the stupid cable jams so I have no heat... ;) Well, it's 11pm... time to call it a night, later, john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 02:15:01 -0500 From: Richard Welty Subject: fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. 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For more information, see the web site for Krusty. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 23:19:15 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: driveshafts >Subject: xj: Lengthening Driveshaft? > > Can anyone give me a ball park price (withing $20 or so) of what i' might > > pay to have my stock driveshaft lengthened about 1.5" I've been quoted around $200 up here... that includes balancing them... (that was a couple years ago, but prices are probably the same...) john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 23:35:06 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: swiss army xj... Snohomish Fest? Craig, now that you have it back on the road, why not give it the ferry test and wander over on this side of the sound... maybe we could get another fest together here in Snohomish... see what Paul, Jim, Alan and others in the area have in the way of time... john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 02:53:23 -0500 From: Michael Baxter Subject: fsj: 5-lug pattern measurement "Landon Tesar" writes: >> 5 lug pattern, get the diameter = If b = distance between bolt centers of any two adjacent bolts, dia = 1.7013 * b Yes ? << Yes! Near perfect. on 5 x 5.5" b = 3.233" on 5 x 4.5" b = 2.645" Michael Baxter, MBaxter-at-Compuserve.com-OR-N7OVD-at-arrl.net http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 31-Oct-2000 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 07:57:06 EST From: UrbFarmer-at-aol.com Subject: Re: fsj: First day on job, now physical therapy! Appologies but I've just got to help Jim some more.....I just can't stand human suffering.....especially when it involves my favorite FSJ pilots. I just thought of other options. Disconnect a few key spark plug wires on your favorite FSJ, lie on the hood for 10 minutes, turning once for another 10 minutes, for a whole body massage. Another option would be to put a really radical cam into the motor which would negate the need to disconnect spark plug wires. A broken rear u-joint may work equally well however I don't recommend that method. Also, the kids today use heavy subwoofers on their car stereos for a similar effect. :-) See? You just need to come to Doctor Vince for relief from all your aches and pains. RELIEF FROM BACK PAIN: The other day I put my back into place while installing a starter....hold the starter across your chest, tuck your chin so as not to bump your head, and as you lie down on the driveway, you should hear the distinct snapping noise of your vertebrae going back into place. Preventative measure: Do a few situps with something heavy like a starter held across your chest, after mastering this technique, work your way up to a transfercase, I recommend the np219. - --Vince '81 Wag In a message dated 10/31/00 12:49:36 AM Central Standard Time, Carnuck-at-webtv.net writes: > A: I have one of those massaging hands things that give a real nice body > and neck rub, but I don't fancy putting my foot in there! > > Vince wrote: > I hear a chair works pretty good! But seriously, you might try some > cushioned insoles or shoes made for what you are doing. Also, when my > wife worked the sales floor, I got her one of those foot massagers that > you put water and epsom into and it vibrates the heck out of your feet > while soaking them good. > --Vince > '81 Wag ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 12:57:14 -0500 From: "Ray (lists)" Subject: fsj: Re: [1FSJ] misc FSJ type tidbits... > Hey, Jimmy B, you mentioned a stock volt gauge that could be dropped in place > of the AMP gauge, could you repeat the year and make so I can try to find > one? If you decide to toss your Amp gauge, I might want to purchase it from you. I would like to have both on my vehicle. Hopefully, I can find a good home for it in my dash. Ray Drouillard ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 10:59:50 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: [1FSJ] misc FSJ type tidbits... I've got an extra dash module, already have the amp gauge out... email your address off list and it's yours for the postage... :) john On Wed, 1 Nov 2000, Ray (lists) wrote: >-->> Hey, Jimmy B, you mentioned a stock volt gauge that could be dropped in >-->place >-->> of the AMP gauge, could you repeat the year and make so I can try to find >-->> one? >--> >-->If you decide to toss your Amp gauge, I might want to purchase it from you. >-->I would like to have both on my vehicle. Hopefully, I can find a good home >-->for it in my dash. >--> >-->Ray Drouillard >--> >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com **** http://wagoneers.com don't leave life without Jesus, please... Snohomish, Washington USA - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 12:50:39 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: fsj: Re: [1FSJ] misc FSJ type tidbits... A: It was someone else that mentioned the voltmeter that fit. I just bypass the ammeter and leave it inline. It will still twitch a bit on heavy charge and discharge, but the wiring won't take as much heat from resistance. John wrote: I've got an extra dash module, already have the amp gauge out... email your address off list and it's yours for the postage... :) john On Wed, 1 Nov 2000, Ray (lists) wrote: Hey, Jimmy B, you mentioned a stock volt gauge that could be dropped in place of the AMP gauge, could you repeat the year and make so I can try to find one? If you decide to toss your Amp gauge, I might want to purchase it from you. I would like to have both on my vehicle. Hopefully, I can find a good home for it in my dash. Ray Drouillard ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10 EFax:603-215-1688 http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 12:54:56 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: [1FSJ] misc FSJ type tidbits... the problem isn't so much the instrument itself, it's a large shunt, the problem is the wiring extending from the alternator to the gauge in the dash and back... I'd recommend bypassing it near the alternator, and possibly leaving the leads up to the dash to use as a tap for the volt gauge... you might have to use a relay connected to the ignition switch, otherwise it'll be on all the time... it's the current flowing through all that wiring that drops the voltage to the battery and creates a fire risk. If you bypassed it at the alternator then you'd get more "juice" to the battery and would eliminate the fire risk significantly. john On Wed, 1 Nov 2000, James Blair wrote: >-->A: It was someone else that mentioned the voltmeter that fit. I just >-->bypass the ammeter and leave it inline. It will still twitch a bit on >-->heavy charge and discharge, but the wiring won't take as much heat from >-->resistance. >--> >-->John wrote: >-->I've got an extra dash module, already have the amp gauge out... >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com **** http://wagoneers.com don't leave life without Jesus, please... Snohomish, Washington USA - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 13:16:12 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: fsj: Re: [1FSJ] misc FSJ type tidbits... A: Most of the FSJ (and other vehicles with ammeters) nearly-on-fires and wiring meltdowns that I have checked out over the years are due to the open connector on the alt (+) side of the ammeter attracting corrosion, which makes resistance, which makes heat, till there is a meltdown/fire or an open circuit. John saw my ammeter bypass from the back of my alt, direct to the battery (It's in a pic on his website somewhere, along with the added on ground wire my Jeep was missing, that goes from the body to the battery negative, for proper lights and charging) The long distance of the charging wire and it's small diameter, didn't take into account for increased resistance that age and use created. (factory flaw) John wrote: the problem isn't so much the instrument itself, it's a large shunt, the problem is the wiring extending from the alternator to the gauge in the dash and back... I'd recommend bypassing it near the alternator, and possibly leaving the leads up to the dash to use as a tap for the volt gauge... you might have to use a relay connected to the ignition switch, otherwise it'll be on all the time... it's the current flowing through all that wiring that drops the voltage to the battery and creates a fire risk. If you bypassed it at the alternator then you'd get more "juice" to the battery and would eliminate the fire risk significantly. john ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10 EFax:603-215-1688 http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 13:46:07 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: fsj: Got blowby? A: Here's a temporarily permanent alternative to rebuilding your motor: I used a gallon can (can't recall what it was for now. Juice maybe?) that I used a clean punch to make starter holes in the top, and we used the juice (I think it may have been restaurant pack apple juice) Then I used a drill to make bigger holes where the little ones were, and epoxied fittings from the hardware store on (ones that the hose from the breather fit onto) and an old radiator drain on the bottom (It should have been bigger. It clogged up often) One hose from the air cleaner goes to one connector, and the other from the valve cover goes to fitting #2, and the can sits in whatever space on the passenger's side that's available. (I did this in a Full size with 4.2L, so you may need to use a smaller can in an XJ) ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10 EFax:603-215-1688 http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 19:57:55 EST From: RKH911-at-aol.com Subject: Re: fsj: Re: [1FSJ] misc FSJ type tidbits... << A: Most of the FSJ (and other vehicles with ammeters) nearly-on-fires and wiring meltdowns that I have checked out over the years are due to the open connector on the alt (+) side of the ammeter attracting corrosion, which makes resistance, which makes heat, till there is a meltdown/fire or an open circuit. John saw my ammeter bypass from the back of my alt, direct to the battery (It's in a pic on his website somewhere, along with the added on ground wire my Jeep was missing, that goes from the body to the battery negative, for proper lights and charging) The long distance of the charging wire and it's small diameter, didn't take into account for increased resistance that age and use created. (factory flaw) John, do you know where on your site the photo's of this "upgrade" is. I'm not too bright sometimes and like the menu's at Denny's, I need the pics to help me (OR step by step instructions) LOL, Rob Harrison 85 Grand Wagoneer ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 17:33:19 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Re: [1FSJ] misc FSJ type tidbits... On Wed, 1 Nov 2000 RKH911-at-aol.com wrote: >--> >--> John saw my ammeter bypass from the back of my alt, direct to the >--> battery (It's in a pic on his website somewhere, along with the added on >--> ground wire my Jeep was missing, that goes from the body to the battery >--> >--> >-->John, >-->do you know where on your site the photo's of this "upgrade" is. I'm not too >-->bright sometimes and like the menu's at Denny's, I need the pics to help me >-->(OR step by step instructions) >-->LOL, >--> >-->Rob Harrison >-->85 Grand Wagoneer hard to day, but I'd look under rigs and blackie or jim something or another... I did take a picture of the wiring... figured it would be a good sample of what not to do....;) john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com **** http://wagoneers.com don't leave life without Jesus, please... 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