From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Thu Nov 2 21:31:31 2000 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Thursday, November 2 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1091 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: Re: driveshafts fsj: Re: [strokers] Re: Wiring mess!!! Re: fsj: Re: Wiring Harnesses fsj: Re: climate control wonderings... fsj: NOS FSJ parts on Ebay fsj: Re: Got blowby? fsj: Re: [1FSJ] Re: Got blowby? fsj: Re: [1FSJ] Re: Got blowby? fsj: Free FSJ parts Re: fsj: Re: [1FSJ] Re: Got blowby? fsj: new pictures... Re: fsj: new pictures... fsj: XJs I think fsj: too warm engine Qs FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 21:15:55 EST From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Re: driveshafts > Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 23:19:15 -0800 > From: john > > > > Can anyone give me a ball park price (withing $20 or so) of what i' > > > might pay to have my stock driveshaft lengthened about 1.5" > > I've been quoted around $200 up here... that includes balancing them... > (that was a couple years ago, but prices are probably the same...) That's about what I paid to have the ball and trunion joint cut out of my rear drive shaft and a cross-type u-joint yoke welded on. They didn't balance it though because they said the nearest reliable balancing machine was in Spokane (over 100 miles away). I don't know how they can get away with that, but I don't have any problems with it. Ben Williams '71 Wagoneer '78 F-250 4x4 '88 Bronco ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 19:24:17 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: fsj: Re: [strokers] Re: Wiring mess!!! A: Aha! Now I just learned something new! The idle speed increase for AC is the reason that the 3 way connector above the brake booster on '87 and '88 XJs can cause high RPM on start up! From: farna-at-worldnet.att.net (Frank Swygert) I wasted 40 plus hours tracing all the wiring out almost two years ago. If you left everything attached to the harness, or remember where everything connects (or labeled the connectors) you won't have a problem. There are 16 wires to be concerned with on the bulkhead connector. Some of those are power to the dash (3 or 4) and grounds for the dash (2 or 3). The others are for gauges, tach, shift light (if manual), and A/C (3 for the A/C). Just connect the like wires with the existing ones in the CJ and everything will work correctly. So you need a bulkhead connector pinout for the donor and the CJ, that's all. I cut all the old power and ground wires from my original harness and spliced the 4.0L harness into it as far as it would reach. It is a good idea to stagger all the wiring connections so you can wrap the harness back up without creating a lot of bulk. It will look close to stock. Since the CJ has a bulkhead connector, it will make it easy to pull the engine if you must later -- just unplug the connector! Get connectors for the wires not on the CJ bulkhead connector. I have mine in a 63 Rambler, so just spliced it in. Wish I had got a big connector instead, would have been neater, though not as clean looking due to the year of the car. With my home made round air filter adapter the engine looks almost like it belongs, except for the extra wiring and injectors, which aren't noticed immediately by most -- when was the last time you saw under the hood of an old Rambler??? ;> I did use connectors for the extra wiring, like the A/C. I wired the under dash A/C unit exactly like the original Jeep unit so the computer would adjust idle when A/C compressor kicked in. Works great! I also wired the electric fans in like the original auxiliary fan. I don't use a mechanical fan at all, just two 9" electrics. I figured wiring them like the auxiliary would work fine, and it has. I used an adjustable thermostat (aftermarket) instead of the original type that was mounted in the radiator (using the original Rambler radiator, similar to a CJ, double core, no overheating). I adjusted it to turn fans on just before the 190* thermostat opens, seems to work just fine. Computer can turn the fans on when it wants also, like when the A/C is running. - -- Frank Swygert -- Gulfport, MS Publisher, "American Independent Magazine" (AIM) Supporting all AMC related vehicles, 1902-1987 Main site: http://home.att.net/~farna alternate: http://www.javelinamx.com/AIM ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10 EFax:603-215-1688 http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 21:48:35 -0600 From: JeepNut Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Wiring Harnesses Hi Rob, $390.00 plus the UPS man... ouch... but it fit PERFECTLY and all "special" connectors are there. Very nice workmanship up there in Wisconsin. But then those of us who salute Kenosha knew that already. Tho now that I think of it... weren't ALL Jeeps actually assembled in Toledo? And was that from Kaiser days? or was Toledo AMC's plant? ... got me thinkin... JeepNut RKH911-at-aol.com wrote: > > > How much wiring is needed? > > >http://www.us-wire-harness.com/ Someone had some made, cause that's > >where my '88 engine side harness came from (P/N 56003641 Rev. A) > > Let me know what wiring is needed and I will be happy to check > Specialty > >Parts to see if they have what's needed or a workaround. (like why wouldn't > a > >wagoneer harness work?) > > JeepNut > > > Jeepnut, > What did the wiring harness cost? I'm in the market for a new harness on my > 360. > > Rob Harrison > 85 Grand Wagoneer - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------- '87 Street Comanche #24/100 '88 Grand Wagoneer ...and they say there's only one... '92 Cherokee - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 19:56:20 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: climate control wonderings... At 10:37 PM 11/1/00 -0500, Steve Morelen wrote: >John- >It appears that the mono valve can fail either open or closed. The one in >my '84 300D failed so that I couldn't turn off the heat. Of course it did >this at the warmest time of the year.... sounds like the failure mode for the rear window of a Full Size Jeep. If it's a 2dr, it fails up. If it's a 4dr, it fails down. :) Thankfully the Benz usually have a sunroof, and if it's not pouring you can open it to relieve some of the heat. :) john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 23:16:07 -0500 From: Michael Baxter Subject: fsj: NOS FSJ parts on Ebay There is a door skin for a left rear Wagoneer door, a set of very early FSJ "Jeep" badges and an early courtesy interior light in this batch. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=481116679 &r= 0&t=0 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=481127825 &r= 0&t=0 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=481153405 &r= 0&t=0 Michael Baxter, MBaxter-at-Compuserve.com-OR-N7OVD-at-arrl.net http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 31-Oct-2000 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 20:24:35 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: Got blowby? ok, let me see if I understand this... you're taking the hose off of the engine, routing it to a can (diffuser), then you're connecting another hose to the air cleaner. only two connections? So what's the radiator drain for? To empty the contents after it fills up? Didn't you once describe this contraption with a line going back to the oil pan? I know I have to do something soon... :) And taking the valve cover off and drilling holes in the ledge like John B. suggestion is more painful than some hose and a can... ;) john At 01:46 PM 11/1/00 -0800, James Blair wrote: >A: Here's a temporarily permanent alternative to rebuilding your motor: > >I used a gallon can (can't recall what it was for now. Juice maybe?) >that I used a clean punch to make starter holes in the top, and we used >the juice (I think it may have been restaurant pack apple juice) > Then I used a drill to make bigger holes where the little ones were, >and epoxied fittings from the hardware store on (ones that the hose from >the breather fit onto) and an old radiator drain on the bottom (It >should have been bigger. It clogged up often) > One hose from the air cleaner goes to one connector, and the other >from the valve cover goes to fitting #2, and the can sits in whatever >space on the passenger's side that's available. (I did this in a Full >size with 4.2L, so you may need to use a smaller can in an XJ) > >************************************* >JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10 EFax:603-215-1688 >http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html >************************************** - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 23:21:16 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: fsj: Re: [1FSJ] Re: Got blowby? A: The drain is so you don't have to open the side of the motor to put the oil back in (unless you want to take your oil pan off!) John wrote: ok, let me see if I understand this... you're taking the hose off of the engine, routing it to a can (diffuser), then you're connecting another hose to the air cleaner. only two connections? So what's the radiator drain for? To empty the contents after it fills up? Didn't you once describe this contraption with a line going back to the oil pan? I know I have to do something soon... :)   And taking the valve cover off and drilling holes in the ledge like John B. suggestion is more painful than some hose and a can... ;) john At 01:46 PM 11/1/00 -0800, James Blair wrote: A: Here's a temporarily permanent alternative to rebuilding your motor: (snip) ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10 EFax:603-215-1688 http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 23:23:53 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: [1FSJ] Re: Got blowby? On Wed, 1 Nov 2000, James Blair wrote: >-->A: The drain is so you don't have to open the side of the motor to put >-->the oil back in (unless you want to take your oil pan off!) How about if you used a longer cylinder with an inlet on one end, outlet on the other, the tube just slightly larger than the hose, with a tee off the low side going back to the valve cover... the whole thing could be put up higher than the valve cover, or sit on top of it... Actually, this might work to reduce the amount of suction created by just one line... right? That's what's happening... the single line is creating a venturi effect and drawing the oil up into the air cleaner, kind of like a siphon. If you break the vacuum created you'd remove the vapors, but not the liquid... which is what we want... whaddya think? john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com **** http://wagoneers.com don't leave life without Jesus, please... Snohomish, Washington USA - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 23:28:22 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: fsj: Free FSJ parts '84 GW frame, both rear 1/4 panels (Complete from door post to rear window) and left front fender. Too big to ship anywhere ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10 EFax:603-215-1688 http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 23:49:02 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Re: [1FSJ] Re: Got blowby? A: There is a tiny amount of vacuum in the filter box, but it's very hard to bring the hose and can above the valve cover and keep it under the hood! Not as bad on FSJs as XJs mind you. I had a road tube, and I still had just as much crude leak down the side when I put it just into a can, and the smell was atrocious! I wrote: The drain is so you don't have to open the side of the motor to put the oil back in (unless you want to take your oil pan off!) John wrote: How about if you used a longer cylinder with an inlet on one end, outlet on the other, the tube just slightly larger than the hose, with a tee off the low side going back to the valve cover... the whole thing could be put up higher than the valve cover, or sit on top of it... Actually, this might work to reduce the amount of suction created by just one line... right? That's what's happening... the single line is creating a venturi effect and drawing the oil up into the air cleaner, kind of like a siphon. If you break the vacuum created you'd remove the vapors, but not the liquid... which is what we want... whaddya think? john ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10 EFax:603-215-1688 http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 23:56:49 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: new pictures... I've been playing around with my main page again... http://WAGONEERS.com I added some RTI shots and my Tonka collection. :) Also playing around with a new piece of HTML that is supposed to pop up a window that is sized... it doesn't appear to be working. :) later, john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com **** http://wagoneers.com don't leave life without Jesus, please... Snohomish, Washington USA - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 00:44:14 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: new pictures... A: I saw a couple pull downs on there, and linked pics. Not sure where that window is supposed to be. Looks good with Mozilla (same as Windblows '98 uses) ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10 EFax:603-215-1688 http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** Received: from smtpin-102-5.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.31) by storefull-256.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 00:17:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by smtpin-102-5.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) id 17E2814F; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 00:17:24 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: carnuck-at-webtv.net Received: from krusty-motorsports.com (krusty1.krusty-motorsports.com [192.94.170.8]) by smtpin-102-5.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id 9573E108 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 00:17:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordomo by krusty-motorsports.com with local (Exim 3.15 #4) id 13rFVR-0004cr-00 for fsj-out-at-digest.net; Thu, 02 Nov 2000 03:13:53 -0500 Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 23:56:49 -0800 (PST) From: john X-Sender: john-at-virtual-cafe To: Undisclosed recipients: ; Subject: fsj: new pictures... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-fsj-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: john I've been playing around with my main page again... http://WAGONEERS.com I added some RTI shots and my Tonka collection. :) Also playing around with a new piece of HTML that is supposed to pop up a window that is sized... it doesn't appear to be working. :) later, john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com **** http://wagoneers.com don't leave life without Jesus, please... Snohomish, Washington USA - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 07:53:30 -0500 From: fatmac99-at-mindspring.com Subject: fsj: XJs I think Hey ya'll. I still don't have a Jeep, but my friend at work has two. His wife drives a 96 Cherokee Classic, and he just bought an 88 Commanche pickup. Is the Commanche considered an XJ? Also, he wants to know which one of these lists to join? Mike Everything but a Jeep ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 02:50:16 GMT From: "michel balea" Subject: fsj: too warm engine Qs Here we go, 84 GW with the 360, the one i got for parts for $350... but it is nice and i am thinking it could be a keeper Changed rotten vaccum lines, upgraded the ignition wires, spark plugs, caps and rotor, check smog, PCV, EGR. Finally put a "new" temp gauge because the previous one did not budge, which i checked (78 Ohms is hot, 25 about half and 8 beginning of range). started, drove a few miles, temp goes to 80% of band, but stay there, even uphill... timing was done at 18 degrees, no pinging Question: what is the next step to check for the possible this more than hot condition .... Outside temp was cold... 55 degrees radiator look good, the heads seems to have been redone. I can stick a thermometer in the radiator, next remove/replace the thermostat... Manifold vaccum register a little flutter of half inch.... at 18, when accelerating it goes to 5 and return to 14 before coming back to 18 any hints.... Cheers Michel 84 Gwag (timesink) 74 Wag (letank) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #1091 **************************