From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Wed Nov 15 00:12:46 2000 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Wednesday, November 15 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1104 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: east meets west? Re: fsj: massively perplexed... fsj: perplexed no more... fsj: inside door handle fsj: AMC/Jeep parts book on ebay (I forget what year. early '70's I think) fsj: More power for your playtoy! fsj: More Vacuum info fsj: AMC Book review Re: fsj: massively perplexed... fsj: John's Portland Trip fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 22:44:47 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: east meets west? From: "Scott Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 3:35 PM Subject: Re: xj: xj's? M715's??? > I know I was the whiner about off topic, but these things ARE COOL! see what happens when you get involved with FSJ's? ;) BTW, Paul, most people wouldn't know a J200 from a J3000 from a J10. :) So, should I just join the FSJ and XJ lists together and call it the "we-love-M-715s" list? ;) I'm cc'ing the FSJ list, (also recommend they check out this version of the XJ list digest, kind of interesting topic... :) http://www.wagoneers.com/XJ/digests/xj-digest-v1-987.txt also, check out this story: http://www.olypen.com/craigh/m715-a.htm john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com **** http://wagoneers.com don't leave life without Jesus, please... Snohomish, Washington USA - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 22:50:42 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: massively perplexed... On Tue, 14 Nov 2000 Chrisharon-at-aol.com wrote: >-->Are you sure the line you hooked into went TO the carb and didn't come FROM >-->the fuel filter??? I'm sure you're compitant since you're even attempting >-->this and are getting a FI setup, but the lines are awfully close together up >-->there at the engine. I disconnected the line coming out of the fuel tank... you know what... that line goes up to the wrong side of the engine... !-at-!!!!!! By golly, you may have hit on it here. WOW. Well that's awesome, because that means plumbing in the vents will be easy... But the other problem is the other lines are in really sad shape... This may not be it, but I'm sure going to give it a lot of possibility. That sure would explain it wouldn't it? :) The plumbing on this rig is so messed up it's unbelievable... The wiring is too... Ask Jim Blair, he's seen it... He's been a big help in sorting stuff out with me on it. The show-off comes over and takes his carb apart in my driveway at dusk and then pulls a mcgiver with a bb and an old twist tie to drive it home... ;) john >--> We had the same valve you do (electrically controlled, switches senders as >-->well, if it's the same one we had) but I removed it because we had fuel >-->starvation problems and I wasn't SURE where it was coming from. I hooked the >-->engine (with Holley FI) back up to the main tank and put in an electric pump >-->to pump from the aux tank into the main tank. When you hit the pump it also >-->switches to the aux tank sender so you can see how much fuel is in there. >-->It's a 1/2 cludge but it works and I don't have to worry about the selector >-->valve going bad from mud and gunk from 4X4ing anymore. >--> >-->Chris Enos >--> >-->'78 Cherokee "The Big Blue Whale" (401/Holley "D" Projection) >--> (Holley "Z" intake/MSD ignition with in-cab timing adjustment box) >--> (TH400/Q-track with part-time kit/3.55/35") ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com **** http://wagoneers.com don't leave life without Jesus, please... Snohomish, Washington USA - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 10:31:54 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: perplexed no more... Chris, you be d man... 50-50 chance... notice the top line that bends off and goes to the left... along the passenger side of the truck... it's also in such a sad condition I figured it was the lines that used to go to the non-existant charcoal cannister... So, instead of hooking up a solenoid to access my auxillary fuel tank, I setup a fuel discharge switch... dumping fuel in the valley of Snohomish... no wonder I used up over a 1/4 tank of gas going 14 miles. :) thanx for the insight on the fuel return line Chris!!! here's the picture... I chose the lower hose... which turns out MUST be the fuel return line... ;) http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/Fuel-Carbs/AuxTank-J10/P1010009.JPG john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 14:31:00 EST From: BWFerg-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: inside door handle the door handle on the inside of my 83 wag is just hanging there. i noticed it today. whatever peice held it in place has fallen off. any suggestions? ill probably just try and mickey mouse it...its the little things that kill hahaha bryan 83 wag ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 11:46:59 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck2-at-webtv.net (jim blair) Subject: fsj: AMC/Jeep parts book on ebay (I forget what year. early '70's I think) #495639371 is the number, but I don't have the link. The seller is Eddie Stakes eddiestakes-at-planethoustonamx.com from the AMC-list ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10 4.6L stroker and 4 speed auto on LPG EFax:603-215-1688 http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 11:50:56 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck2-at-webtv.net (jim blair) Subject: fsj: More power for your playtoy! From: Ddatson-at-cs.com Subject: Paxton Superchargers To: amc-list-at-lists.cc.utexas.edu As most of you know, we AMC and Studebaker high performance fans run a newsgroup on turbocharging and related subjects like turbo engine and drivetrain building. There are now about 475 posts in the archives. Lots of turbo info and a lot of other stuff as well. You can visit it at ... http://www.egroups.com/group/blowthruturbo There is now a separate new McCulloch/Paxton group to handle these superchargers in a different manner than turbochargers. They share many technical areas with turbocharging like setting up the carburetors for blow-thru operation, and in other ways they are very different, such as in the area of parts and service. In general Paxtons cost more to buy and operate than turbos and their output is much less. On the other hand, they are easy for an average backyard mechanic to install with common tools even without an expensive installation "kit". McCulloch and Paxton superchargers are to Studebakers what the 390/401 AMXs are to AMCers. They were introduced to Studebaker on the 1957 Golden Hawk and were used through 1964 on Avanti engined cars to 335 hp. In access of 100,000 units over those years were sold, plus 100,000s of thousands more since. (Paxton doesn't share this information with us). As a result there are large numbers around -- many not currently being used, and virtually a hundred percent of those unused units in need of a rebuild. Meaning they are usually pulled off at rebuild time (which is easy) because the owner either won't spend the money or doesn't know how to deal with the problem himself. To have a Paxton rebuilt professionally would cost at least $600-$700, the price of a new turbocharger, but you can service a supercharger yourself for a lot less, which few realize. But doing your own repairs is part of what this new newsgroup is about. We talk you through this mine field step by step (the story is still building), helping you to avoid mistakes. The Studebaker infrastructure supporting superchargers is large and sprawling, and rebuilding, parts, and service manuals (covering rebuilding) are readily available, but not necessarily cheap. And not everyone involved is your best friend, even if he says so. Again, there are many answers to this and if you are interested, you can find them on our group -- or ask questions to help you decide if Paxtons are right for you. Paxton superchargers are not a bad product -- but they are usually badly misused. They were originally introduced as a factory option by Kaiser in 1954, then Ford on its "Thunderbird" engines in 1956, and then Studebaker in 1957. The Kaiser L-head it was used on was "only" 226 CID. (It was called a McCulloch back then, Paxton later) On smaller sixes like this (4 liter), they will last a very long time even with hard driving, some going well over the 100,000 miles. On a 5 liter V-8, maybe as well if its low boost (5-6 lb.) and driven sanely and maintained well. Above 5 liters? Forget about it. That's what turbochargers are for. Paxtons are a good source of additional power, especially for 4s, 6s and/or off-road vehicles. If you've ever considered this option, drop by our Mc/Pax egroup ...... http://www.egroups.com/group/mcpax Thank you for our time.   Dick Datson ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10 4.6L stroker and 4 speed auto on LPG EFax:603-215-1688 http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 12:42:20 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck2-at-webtv.net (jim blair) Subject: fsj: More Vacuum info A: As per the post of last week: (Note: I looked at the Renix throttle body I have, and saw no venturi) From: adh-at-an.bradford.ma.us (Sandwich Maker) To: amc-list-at-lists.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Vacuum advance question... "From: Carnuck2-at-webtv.net (jim blair) " "A: You have it right for most vehicles, (note: Ported rather than manifold vacuum) but some have the advance "mounted backwards, and use manifold vacuum to make it function right "because they don't have ported vacuum (ie: EFI systems) Andrew replied: as i understand it, ported vac has the connection right at the throttle blade, so that it's exposed to manifold vac when the throttle is opened but on the upstream side when the throttle is closed. so, efi could easily have ported vac. dunno if they have venturii - it would be an interesting way to measure air flow by translating it into a vac signal. [velocity*area = volume. a venturi causes a pressure drop proportional to the square or cube of the gas velocity; i don't remember which but it's not proportional, which is what makes carbs so complicated. the drop is probably linear with gas pressure. area is a constant [duh!], so something like sqrt(velocity) would be proportional to mass flow.] finally, at any given rpm: ported/manifold vac is highest when the throttle is -closed- venturi vac is highest when the throttle is -open-. ______________________________________________ Andrew Hay                 'Tis not he who has but little that's poor internet rambler               But he who ever desires yet more adh-at-an.bradford.ma.us                   Celtic proverb (tr.) ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10 4.6L stroker and 4 speed auto on LPG EFax:603-215-1688 http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 12:47:47 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck2-at-webtv.net (jim blair) Subject: fsj: AMC Book review A: I haven't read or seen this book, but if a 12YO kid thinks it's straight up easy to read, it probably is! From: "Matthew Rice" Subject: Re: Technical Books I just got the "AMC Survival Guide" from an auction on Ebay. If you have an AMC or are interested in them GET THIS BOOK!! It is incredibly informative and very understandable (ie no super techy terms). Great book. MATT ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10 4.6L stroker and 4 speed auto on LPG EFax:603-215-1688 http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 13:04:00 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: massively perplexed... A: You gotta watch out for those crabs! I ran into similar situations a number of years ago (gas even sprayed out of the gas cap on the unused tank!) Turned out the vapor lines were wrong way around on one, and the other was a sticking valve inside. The lower tank was gravity fed! On Tue, 14 Nov 2000 Chrisharon-at-aol.com wrote:       It sounds kind of like you hooked into the return line from the engine to the gas tank and your selector valve is switching which tank you're returning the fuel TO rather than which tank your pulling fuel FROM. At least that's the way it seems to me. That's why when you change over the the 'aux' tank it over-fills and the main tank dropps. Chris Enos the only problem is there are three lines involved... the selector valve does have both the main lines and the returns, but I only hooked up one line from the main, one line from the aux and one going to the crab... the possibility exists that the selector doesn't fully switch and the fuel is being drawn from the main tank but also being forced into the aux??? or the diagram used for the selector is wrong and I diverted the main tank to the auxillary... but that wouldn't work either... the engine would starve... I'll have to bypass the solenoid and "hard wire" the aux to the carb to see what happens. I suppose I could use the old selector valve... but it doesn't have provisions for the return lines, need them for the fuel injection system I ordered... john :) ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10 EFax:603-215-1688 http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:33:31 EST From: RKH911-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: John's Portland Trip John, I just got a chance to finally go thru all your pics. The guys description of bondo bucket was right on, what a POS! LOL. I loved the name though: Flat Broke Racing - it reminded me of a friend of mine back in VA whose plates read 1PO MA You always keep it interesting. Rob Harrison 85 Grand Wagoneer ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 02:15:00 -0500 From: Richard Welty Subject: fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. This file may be found on the web at http://www.digest.net/general-notes.txt [last revised 8/30/00; Demime added, new HTML rules as a result, new spammer block list on web to replace Special Note] Special Note The list of alleged spammers which previously appeared here has been replaced by the new URL http://www.digest.net/blocked.html Additional information on Digest.Net's spam policies may be found at http://www.digest.net/email-policy.html Table of Contents 1. Why don't my postings go through? 2. Why can't I unsubscribe? 3. How do I post to the list? 4. Where are the archives? 5. What other lists are on digest.net? 6. Is there a web subscription form? 7. 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