From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Sat Nov 25 10:23:42 2000 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Saturday, November 25 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1113 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: a random shot... fsj: Re: a random shot... fsj: Fwd: Which Tires Are Best For Seattle? Re: fsj: Fwd: Which Tires Are Best For Seattle? Re: fsj: MORE FSJ PICTURES: 3 Jtrucks! - FRESH TODAY! fsj: Re: Vigilante Justice Re: fsj: Fwd: Which Tires Are Best For Seattle? fsj: ref: Random shot, off-camber, and axles fsj: transfer case assistance needed Re: fsj: 81 Wagoneer restoration project FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 20:19:52 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: a random shot... A: Either he was licking his fingers, or he was mad I didn't get that axle over to your place! (Sorry Paul! I just got off work and still haven't pulled my gears out) I was trying to get a group shot at Alfy's Pizza parlor... what I'm trying to figure out now is exactly what Paul is doing in this picture? Any ideas? sure looks like he's serious about it. staredown contest? balancing act?   or is he just ready to pounce? ;)     rofl... http://www.wagoneers.com/JEEPS/FESTS/Nov24-2000-SNOHOMISH-Fest/PB240072.JPG ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10, '86 Comanche http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 21:38:17 -0700 From: "Kim Smith" Subject: fsj: Re: a random shot... Looks as if he is about to cast a spell on the piece of pizza---make it disappear. :-) kim - ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" To: ; ; <1FSJ-at-egroups.com> Sent: 24 November, 2000 20:57 Subject: fsj: a random shot... > I was trying to get a group shot at Alfy's Pizza parlor... what > I'm trying to figure out now is exactly what Paul is doing in this picture? > > Any ideas? sure looks like he's serious about it. > staredown contest? balancing act? or is he just ready to pounce? ;) > rofl... > > http://www.wagoneers.com/JEEPS/FESTS/Nov24-2000-SNOHOMISH-Fest/PB240072.JPG > > ------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 20:57:35 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: fsj: Fwd: Which Tires Are Best For Seattle? 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[TABLE NOT SHOWN] [TABLE NOT SHOWN]    ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 21:01:07 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Fwd: Which Tires Are Best For Seattle? A: Oops! The links didn't come through anyway! http://www.consumerreports.org/Special/ConsumerInterest/Reports/0011tir0.htm ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10, '86 Comanche http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 21:07:29 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: MORE FSJ PICTURES: 3 Jtrucks! - FRESH TODAY! A: Gee! This one should be called Jenerations! LOL! ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10, '86 Comanche http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 21:30:37 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: Vigilante Justice At 08:42 PM 11/24/00 -0800, Paul W. wrote: >John, >IRT our little discussion today on who built the 327 Vigilante used in >mid-60's >SJ's... >It's a little slow at work tonite (but hey, the 3x pay is GREAT!), so I was >trying to see what I could come up with in the way of an authoratative >source - >one that YOU would agree with - and the search engines came up with this link >(and a few others) when queried with "vigilante+327" and "AMC+327": > http://www.wagoneers.com/john/JEEP/trivia.html >Look familiar? ;^D > >Yahoo's search also provided this bit of info along with link: >"...return to john's home page AJWT #32: The Dauntless 350 cu in V-8 supplied >by Buick. It replaced the AMC 327 Vigilante V-8. click here for next >question..." > >Clicking on the link takes you to the whole darn quiz, but here's why the >search engine gave the link: > >The complete Q&A from YOUR quiz: >"JWTQ #32: What engine was introduced in 1969? What did it replace?" > >"AJWT #32: The Dauntless 350 cu in V-8 supplied by Buick. It replaced > the AMC 327 Vigilante V-8." > > >ROTFLMAO! Acording to SJ Guru John Meister, the Vigilante 327 _IS_ an AMC >motor like I said, not a Kaiser creation... as cameraman John Meister said >today at the Jeepfest. :^D >FWIW, The Jeeptech.com page on the 327 says it's an AMC motor, too: >http://www.jeeptech.com/engine/ >and/or > http://www.jeeptech.com/engine/amc327.html > >As does this source: > http://www.jjournal.net/jeep/reference/Engines/ > >Paul >(Neener, neener, neener, told you so!) ;^P~~ >(I rest my case :) >__________________________________________________ ur 2 funny... :) Using my own words against my feeble memory. ;) First off, the last URL you provide, jjournal, has some errors, the Buick 350 is referred to as the Dauntless, the Vigilante was the 327. :) What I understand is that the 327 came from Kaiser by way of Nash if I have my story straight... so calling it an AMC is fine by me... I believe that the Vigilante is also known not only as a Kaiser, but as Nash and as a Rambler... as well as an AMC. To me it just seems better to say it's a Kaiser, but saying it's an American Motors Corp engine is ok too... (obviously. ;) One thing for certain, it's not a Chevy 327. ;) Officially, Jeep came into the AMC fold on Feb 5, 1970. AMC acquired Kaiser Jeep for $70 million and changed the name to Jeep Corp. Remeber too that Willys is the company that officially started the big Jeeps. :) It wasn't until March 1963 that Willys Motors became known as Kaiser Jeep Corp. On page 87 of the original (read old and dirty from the '60's) Factory service manual it refers to it as a 'JEEP' V-8 Vigilante. In the front of the manual it says Kaiser Corp. It also mentions a tag with the letters KJC, aka, Kaiser Jeep Corp. However, in a later supplemented manual that includes the Dauntless (the Buick 350) it just refers to it as the Dauntless and makes no mention of the source... So the manuals really can't resolve the source issue... :( According to my AMC book, in 1959 the Ambassador had a 327 cid. While it has the same bore/stroke, it has a higher compression ratio and 20 more hp than the Vigilante... also, what's odd is the AMC book says it has 5 main bearings??? how does that work on a V8??? book is probably wrong. But, this does support the AMC/Rambler connection. Also, the peak horsepower for both engines is at 4,700 rpm. We've had this discussion on the FSJ list a few times. If memory serves me correctly, which it probably doesn't. ;) It was determined that you could call this engine a Nash, a Rambler, a Kaiser or an AMC... there was a lot of inbreeding going on during this time... ;) I'm not 100% clear on how all this worked out either. I wish I'd been paying more attention to what was going on in the car world when I was back in school... ;) grade school that is... ;) So, is this you way of getting back at me because of the pizza picture? rofl... I'd like to get some definitive and authoritative information on the history of the Vigilante. What I remember reading again said that Kaiser had acquired the engines from Nash, which would have been AMC, right? The engine has limitations based on the valve configuration and is limited to 327 Cubes. Thanx Paul for raising this issue... hopefully a few people heard something they hadn't heard before. john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 21:51:59 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Fwd: Which Tires Are Best For Seattle? This is what I saw: Not Found The requested object was not found on this server. Jim, you're 404 tonight big time... ;) the other page had links to someone's home C: drive!!! sheesh... At 09:01 PM 11/24/00 -0800, James Blair wrote: >A: Oops! The links didn't come through anyway! >http://www.consumerreports.org/Special/ConsumerInterest/Reports/0011tir0.htm > >************************************* >JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10, '86 Comanche >http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html >************************************** - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 22:03:51 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: ref: Random shot, off-camber, and axles > rofl... > http://www.wagoneers.com/JEEPS/FESTS/Nov24-2000-SNOHOMISH-Fest/PB240072.JPG >I believe the reason John took the pic was because I had parked one of the >pizza trays between the tables - and the tables were different heights, so the >pizza was sitting there off-camber. John made some comment about how I can't >(or won't) park on level ground and that must even include pizzas. Then he >snapped the pic. :^D That's right! Sheesh, I'd forgotten about that... that pizza was sitting there off-camber... rofl... Paul is such an excellent TrailMaster... even in the Pizza parlor he keeps stuff from rolling... ;) BTW, I got the sink installed, it works even. Changed the fuel filter on the buick, and found one dead glow plug in the 300SD... which is why it blew the controller and is giving me fits trying to start it in cold weather. :) Easy fix. :) Heading down to Seattle... my wife wants to visit a "shabby chic" store down in Seattle... rofl... what is next in the home decor world??? (you pronounce it different than it's spelled... prolly french... ;) sounds like shabby sheek... Anyway, I'm heading to Phil Smart Mercedes to get glow plugs... Glad you could make it out today Paul. I can run down to Jim's tomorrow and get the axle if I bring my J10. Which is likely... my son is going to borrow my wife's Jeep (the little wagoneer) to go talk to the Marine recruiter... I shouldn't have let him sit so close to you... ;) Jim, will you have time to get your gears out??? If not maybe Paul or I can yard 'em out here... Let me know, I'll check email in the morning. :) BTW, Kim in Montana id'd that J4000 rear axle as a Dana 60. I looked at his VIN, it appears to be a 4600 model, and that would mean it did come with the Dana 60. :) john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 22:10:57 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: transfer case assistance needed Bill is on the xj list... not sure how much response he's getting from the list, it's usually pretty quiet on weekends... looks like an urgent need. I started to take my xfr case apart and ran into some snags too... so I know this guy needs help, it looks like it's an NP231. Please CC Bill on any responses at: samfans thanx john >------------------------------ >Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 01:23:23 -0400 >From: samfans >Subject: xj: T case apart, bad news, need help, desperate ! >Hi gang, > >I got my T-case off and apart to replace the chain, because of the loud >sounds coming from the t case. >I was not happy with what i found. >Please follow the naration below and look at the pics at the link and >help if you can. I need to get this thing running, I'm over my head, >and a little panicked ! >pics are at: >http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=212612&a=10125996 >The T case came apart nice and easy, I was careful, as seen in pic 1. >Then, as seen in pic 3, I saw that a snap ring of some sort was >misplaced, and apeared to be stuck to the magnet. The magnet also had a >small "key" shaped thing stuck to it, and what seemed to me to be quite >a lot of metallic sludge/fuzz. >Do you think this snap ring and "key" could have been dislodged and >fallen here as I removed and split the case? It seems pretty unlikely >to me. >In pic 3 you can see clearly how the snap ring was and also the little >"key" thingy stuck on the magnet. Pic 4 also shows the key and the >amount of sludge/fuzz. >Pic 5 shows where I think the "key" came from. There's one missing from >the blue circle area, and ther prob should be one there, like the red >circle area. This is wher I think it came from. >Pic 6 and 7 show my guess as to where it should go back. Thing is, the >other 2 feel "springy" where they sit in there, Their bottom edges are >against a snap ring under the big cog there. When I put the third one >in from the top, it just doesn't have that nice "snap into place" >feeling, you know? Perhaps i have to remove the shift fork and collar >to put it in the right place? I'm afraid of the other 2 "keys" >springing free if i remove the collar, so i haven't yet. >Pic 8 shows the snap ring - it looks broken to me - shouldn't there be a >little "hook" end on both ends of it? Could this broken off hook part >be ground up and the source of all my sludge/fuzz? >Pic 9 shows how I'm guessing the snap ring may go, but again. it just >doesn't "click into place" like I would have liked, but it makes sense >that it would go in there and bear against thetops of the three little >"keys", to hold them in place. >pic 99 shows some tiny bits of silver shrapnel (red circle), with >rounded contours (you can almost see this in the pic) that came from >under the oil pickup screen. What;s the source? Chain teeth? cause for >concer? Also some black sludge that seems like squeezed out silicone >(blue circle) and some other silver dust (purple circle) What do you >make of it all? >Now - what caused the snap ring to break and the key to dislodge? Could >it have been the time somebody drove it about 10km in 4wd on hard >pavement? >Here's the $200question - could all this be the cause of my noises and >the chain actually be OK? Do you reckon I should change the chain >anyway or save the $200 and button it back up (assuming I figure out how >the parts go back) >Thanks for your time >Bill >------------------------------ - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 22:17:15 -0800 From: Paul & Megan Kershner Subject: Re: fsj: 81 Wagoneer restoration project Ken, With respect to your problem with the heater controls, I had a similar problem: my defroster worked but the "Heater" control would not let me switch into that mode. The "temperature" slider works fine. Now, I am not sure if you have the same controls as I have in my '84 GW, but if you have a fan switch at the top left of you instrument panel and three chrome buttons labeled "Off," "Heater," and "Def," then it is almost certainly the same. The way the system works is by vacuum control. If you are not getting vacuum to the "center pole" of the switch (activated by the three buttons), then you will be in the defrost mode all the time (I think). If your vacuum valve is frozen, as mine was, the same is true. I had my dash out as I was trying to figure out whether my windshield wiper switch was bad (another problem, on another post...) and I was toodling around with the vacuum valve/switch. The way it works is as follows: The valve is rotary. In the "home" position it is "Off." When rotated to the first stop, the "Heater," the vacuum is switched into the vacuum line that switches the damper to route the air to the heater ducts. If rotated further, it passes the vacuum to the damper to route the air to the defroster ducts. The buttons push on a lever arm that is attached to the valve and when you push the "Heater" button, it pushes the lever to rotate the valve and then locks onto a bar that keeps it in that mode. If you push the "Defrost" button, it rotates and locks the valve farther. Pushing the "Off" button disengages the locking mechanisms from both of the other switches. To make a long story short, my valve was frozen and would not rotate by the operation of the buttons. I turned it by hand and after hearing what was probably the sound of dried-out rubber un-sticking, it seems to work perfectly. If your controls are not like the ones I described above or you have a different problem, then NEVER MIND. Good Luck, pk Ken Gaines wrote: > > Well, I managed to get the vacuum/emissions system in my '81 Wagoneer > restored to its proper working condition...now it's on to the rest of the > resurrection of this beautiful hulk. She runs like a top now and I couldn't > be any happier with that. It runs as well as my '86 GW ever did (before my > now-ex-wife destroyed the entire drive train by putting it in 4x4 at about > 65mph on a Virginia interstate...dang woman drivers...) I would like to tell > you guys a little about this gem that I found and managed to purchase for > $500. Maybe some of you will have some suggestions/advice for my restoration > project. Anything that will save me time and/or money would be greatly > appreciated. > The next step in the process of repairing this Wag is to make it livable > while I am driving it. We even get cold weather down here in South Texas > (aka Margaritaville). It is rather unpleasant to drive ANY vehicle that is > completely missing the back windshield...esp when going about 70mph in 40 > deg weather. I can't seem to find a place that sells the glass here in > Corpus Christi. I have found a couple of old GW's but I am not sure if those > pieces of glass will work. Does anyone know if the rear glass from an '84 GW > will interchange with an '81 Wag? > The heater controls in this vehicle seem to have frozen themselves up. I am > about to go outside and pull the gauges/heater controls out of the dash. I > plan to shoot a little WD-40 on them to try and free them up. I hope it > works...I also hope that the cable hasn't rusted itself solid in the cable > housing. If none of this stuff works, I will probably just use a ziptie to > hold the heater core damper open...that is unless anyone has any other ideas > on how to fix this since I am almost sure a control panel and cable will be > nearly impossible to find. I would also like to try and reinstall the air > conditioning system in the vehicle. This part of the country gets REALLY hot > in the summer so A/C is not just a luxury, it is an absolute necessity if > one wants to drive around in a 6000-pound oven. The engine compartment still > has what looks like the hoses and brackets that would have connected a > compressor to the receiver/drier and other A/C components. The trick to this > is finding the right components to make this work (again?). The A/C > components have all been removed...except for the fan/temp controls that are > found under the glove box in the truck. These controls don't work either, > but I am almost positive that this is a wiring problem that is easily > resolved. Does anyone have any suggestions on this part? PLEASEEEEE?????? > The only other cosmetic troubles with this truck are the seats...which will > soon be reupholstered with Cordura nylon...the carpet which is currently > just household shag carpet...the lack of the rear window spoiler, which I do > actually have but don't plan to replace until I complete the paint job...and > the rusted spots on the roof rack...which will soon be replaced by a safari > rack. The interior door panels are pretty badly worn too. I wonder if I > could take the panels out of that '84 GW that I found in Corpus Christi and > make them work in this truck. > As for the interior of the truck....it appears to have been originally done > in a baby blue color. I don't find this color scheme particularly appealing. > The exterior of the truck is a dark navy blue. I want to redo the interior > of the truck in the standard tan color. This should be easy enough to do, > albeit a bit on the expensive side. The seats, like I said before, are in a > terrible state of neglect and disrepair, but they are structurally intact > and can be recovered to original condition. The floor pans are gone as > well...I assume they rusted away. The person that I bought the truck from > welded some galvanized sheet metal in place. I would like to find some > original floor pans, but I guess the galvanized metal will work if I can't > find OEM replacements. > Secondly...this truck has a little bit of body cancer. The rocker panels are > rusted beyond repair. Amazingly enough, this is almost the ONLY rust on the > whole truck. There is a little bit of rust on the rear wheel wells as well, > but I know that I can get those weld-up panels from JC Whitney. In the salty > environment of coastal South Texas, it is amazing that the whole truck isn't > a big rolling rusthole. Anyway, I don't like to use fiberglass/Bondo when > repairing this section of ANY automotive body...esp a 4x4 that I plan to use > as a beach toy. Does JC Whitney carry the rocker panels? By rocker panels, I > mean the section of the body that is welded to the floor panels and runs > underneath and inside of the doors. As for the paint on the truck...well, it > is still intact...very badly oxidized, but intact. The chrome trim around > the windows still looks really good. I would guess that I will take it to > work (I am in the Navy and work at a maintenance facility) and have it > replated in the machine shop there. > I have one other point of interest with this truck to share. This vehicle > apparently came with a unique AM/FM/CB radio. There is a 4-prong jack for a > mike on the passenger side of the dash. The radio is, of course, the old > knob-style radio with a selector switch for AM/FM/CB. I havent heard it work > yet because all of the speakers in the truck are rotten. The radio itself > seems to work...at least it lights up and shows the "FM Stereo" indicator > light when I tune it. > All in all, I think I got a great deal when I bought this truck for > $500...the owner was asking $700. She runs great now thanks to a vac diagram > sent to me by one of the list members and the drivetrain is as solid as any > of the other FSJ's I have owned and driven. My '81 Wag is a mechanically > sound vehicle that will bring me many more years of pleasure and fun. I > would really appreciate any comments or suggestions that you guys may have > as I undertake this task of restoring this classic Jeep vehicle to her > original beauty and glory. > Thanks loads and keep on Jeepin'!!! > Ken Gaines > Rockport, TX > jeepguy553-at-yahoo.com > diverdn-at-swbell.net > gainesk-at-strmc.spear.navy.mil > > Current FSJ: '81 Wagoneer (360 V-8) > Former FSJ's:'86 Grand Wagoneer (360 V-8) >