From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Mon Jan 1 10:13:34 2001 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Monday, January 1 2001 Volume 01 : Number 1164 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: Re: 360 engines, John Re: fsj: engine options? Re: fsj: Re: 360 engines, John fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list fsj: Hello Group...... fsj: Re: foglight switch fsj: Re: 360 engines, John FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 21:09:37 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: 360 engines, John At 09:57 PM 12/31/00 -0700, Aaron Storms wrote: >Geeze John, tell me how you REALLY feel! I'm taking this off-list so >as to not offend anyone who doesn't want to hear about non-xj stuff. >Actually I DO I'm gonna CC the FSJ list though. ;) they care. :) >appreciate the extensive info and am in the painful process of stripping off >all the engine, tranny and t-case parts to clean and paint before trying to >install them into the dinky hole that the V6 departed from. Fortunately I'm >almost finished and just have to roll the T400 auto tranny over and install >the B&M shift kit, then will try to bolt it all together tomorrow and test sounds like a good tranny setup. >fit it for the new motor mounts. I can vouch for the leaky gaskets and heavy >part of your 360 review...:) I'm currently building a rear D60 and am >searching for a front D60 so I don't have to use the front D44 from the >donor F250 as I don't think it'll handle the 38" tires as well. I'm trying I'm not up on going with large tires/axles... but a rough guess would be that a D44 in front might handle 38's on a Jeepster... can't be sure and you're certainly sure with a D60. :) >to decide whether to use the stock manifolds or go with headers - any >suggestions? I don't really need the power and have already cut off and I'd recommend the stock manifolds, they're still less of a pain then headers and will be quieter and easier to fit in the hole. If I had a worst enemy I'd recommend headers... ;) I've done 'em before... no plans on doing them again... (If you were building a high revving engine I'd say they'd help, but for what you're trying to build all they'll do is cause problems... :) >welded the air tubes on the stock manifolds. I was planning on running an >electric puller fan - sound OK to help with the running hot problem? I'm you might consider an auxillary pusher fan, perhaps from a Mercedes Benz, to sit behind the grill, I did that on my '67 Wagoneer when I did a swap, set it up with a thermal switch and a manual override just in case. Running an oil cooler/external filter (bypass or a transadapt) along with synthetic oil will help it run cooler. >also installing an auto tranny cooler and drain for the T400 while I'm add an inline filter for the tranny, you'll add a quart and filter it too. :) >fabbing stuff up. I think the 360 is from a mid to late 70's Wagoneer and it they seemed to have more oomph than later models... not sure if it's just a difference in the rating or they detuned them for emissions. :) >seems to have good compression. Anything I can do to help with the pinging >(besides running premium), starter eating and vacuum leaks? Is there an you mean besides prayer? ;) There are some solutions to the pinging, but you'd have to ask the guys on the fSJ list or search the digests on wagoneers.com starters? buy a lifetime warranty... ;) not hard to change out. vacuum leaks? just change the lines every year, and use permatex non-hardening on surfaces... >alternative starter that is less prone to failure on this motor? What's >better about the Edelbrock Performer manifold than my really heavy cast iron >stock version - just lighter? What's a 1406? Why are Jacobs wires better? I flows better, designed for low rpm torque. runs smoother. a 1406 is a weber carb labeled as an edelbrock, 4v. Jacobs wires are just better, I've had nothing but good luck with their wires. Can't say the same about their super coils or ignition modules. The wires are the best I've ever tried. >am going to replace a bunch of that stuff, so am interested. I have located >a TB fuel injection system that I might buy and install if I have trouble >with the Ford(?) carb, but have heard of a trick to keep it from flooding I'd recommend the Howell Engineering kit if you're going to go TBI. >out on vertical climbs. Where do I find the performance AMC/AMX Javelin >parts you referred to? Is there a catalogue or is it another list? I'm there is an amc list... perhaps one of the followers of that list, James Blair perhaps, will be able to put you on the correct wavelength... or search the archives with the world's slowest search engine on wagoneers.com... ;) >barely able to keep up with the lists I'm already on, so hope it's a parts >warehouse...:) Thanks for your help - I'm really trying to make this a >serious off-roading Commando. Thanks, Aaron I think you'll do fine with it. I had a '73 Jeepster for a little bit. 304/three speed... determined that I like FSJ's better. :) The 360 with a TH400 will be an awesome stump pulling setup in a Jeepster. My '81 Wagoneer was able to pull semis and dump trucks with 2.72 gears even! The low end grunt of the 360 is impressive. The motor didn't impress me with overall performance but towing a downsized Cherokee on a tow dolly didn't even slow it down going up a hill! The motor wasn't "peaky", just consistently strong and steady... and thirsty. ;) I towed a 1,200 pickupbed trailer with a 4.0L/aisinwarner tranny up I-5 at 75 mph and still got about 12.75 mpg... easily cruised at that speed with power to spare... I may not love the 360, but I do respect it's overall abilities and durability. There are lots of them pulling GW's and J10's around rather nicely. I'll probably end up with another one someday... unless it dies, I'll keep on using it too. :) I'm sure it'll be a sweet setup in your Jeepster. :) later, john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 22:14:23 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: engine options? At 10:13 PM 12/31/00 -0800, Pat Hines wrote: >john wrote: > > > > Ok, I'm asking everyone, not just the FSJ list. ;) > > SuperDawg has been spitting up oil... Compression test shows > > that #2 rings most likely broken... or worse... ;) > > > > Requirements for new engine: > > 1) no carbs. > > 2) no AMC v8's - no more carburated boat anchors thank you. ;) > > 3) fuel injection (prefer MPI), TBI ok. > > 4) 4 speed automatic with overdrive, nothing with a history of failures > > 5) economical motor, good gas mileage > > 6) reliable, long lived motor > > 7) transmission bolt up directly to an NP208, 23 spline input > > > > I don't care if it's a GM, Ford or Mopar. I'll need the engine/trans > > complete with wiring harnesses for the engine/trans and all computers, > > sensors and accessories. My initial thought is to find a '91 and up > > 4.0L with Aisin Warner automatic from a Cherokee. But a small fuel > > injected V8 might not be a bad idea either... (I'd go for Diesel but the > > registration > > emission hassles make it a lot more work, and with Diesel prices almost > > 50 cents a gallon more... well... :( > >John, > > You'd be hard pressed to come up with a better combination than a > TH700 >overdrive tranny behind a stroked chevy 383 small block with either >throttle body Holley Projection or one of the aftermarket multiport >units. But this will hardly be cheap even if you do it yourself, >Probably at least $3500.00, $5000.00 with the best of everything. > > Still, it sure would be pretty and run extremely well, and get > maybe 18 >miles per gallon or better. > >Pat does sound like a nice combo... but I think the 4.0L/Aisin Warner option will be more affordable. It's possible that I'll be able to get that combo for less than $1,500 complete. Installation will require some wiring, not much really, and possible relocation of the motor mounts forward about 2" to accomodate the slightly longer transmission... john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 23:04:19 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Re: 360 engines, John A: To get on the AMC-list (or read some back posts) check out http://www.amxfiles.com ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10, '86 Comanche http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 02:15:00 -0500 From: Richard Welty Subject: fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. 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For more information, see the web site for Krusty. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 10:03:21 -0600 From: "D & D Malley" Subject: fsj: Hello Group...... Hello..... it's been awhile since I posted.... as part of our money saving effort to open a store in Montana we canceled most luxuries.... including the internet. Well were back in black so to speak, the store will be opened on time and I can concentrate on the Jeep a little more. How's everyone doing??? John, The fella that lives north of you???? any others??? Doug ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 09:13:41 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: foglight switch At 11:06 PM 12/31/00 -0800, James Blair wrote: >I will be soooo glad when all my junk is reorganized and everything is >written down as to where it goes! >************************************* good luck... I've been trying to do that for, oh, about 30 years now... not likely to happen for either of us... ;) accept the fact and move on... there will be times when we can actually identify and label parts... ;) john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 09:37:33 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: 360 engines, John At 11:59 PM 12/31/00 -0700, Aaron Storms wrote: >Thanks for the quick reply John. I have three xj's, but this is the first >"big" jeep I've owned and done this much major swapping of parts/drivetrain technically it doesn't meet the qualifications for a "Full Size Jeep" though. :) >on. Interesting that you used to own one of the V8 Commandos - that's where >I received my donor T400 from! If I can't locate a front D60 for cheaper >than the $750 I've been quoted, I'll probably have to use the D44 for the >time being to get it out on the trails before Moab this Spring. I'll stick >with my stock manifolds then, but will have to figure out how to remove one >of the studs that is stuck - any ideas? Will heat and penetrating oil work? should. brake fluid, and a propane torch... (the brake fluid will burn... ;) If it breaks, invest in some ez outs. :) >I looked at some thin push/puller fans today and will go with that and the >manual override (for stream crossings) and adjustable thermostat. I don't >know anything about the external tranny filter - is this in addition to the >internal filter? yep. I use a transadapt remote filter setup, just use the filter base and install brass nipple fittings with hoses, then use a Ford 1 qt oil filter in line to the cooler. You add a quart and filter your ATF at the same time, adds cooling to the system too. :) >I'll do the local parts store on lifetime starters then. >I looked up the Summit Racing prices on the EGR and non-EGR 9 (emissions?) >Performer or Performer RPM? intake manifolds ($160-200) and carb (RPM definetly PERFORMER, the rpm version is for higher rpm stuff, unless you're planning on building an engine that peaks at about 7,000 rpm stick with the Performer, it's designed to develop torque off idle, peaks around 2,500 if I can remember the propaganda correctly. ;) >Quadrajet - $460 or Thermoquad - $470) to see if I I like the Edelebrock Performer carb, it's actually a Weber. Otherwise spend a little more and get the Howell Engineering TBI setup. It's all GM parts and comes in a very nice kit. I had one for my 258 but sent it back because #2 cylinder is bad and I'm going to go to a 4.0L. :) >can afford it eventually, but the Jacobs >wires will be high priority. Unless Howell has the TB FI systems for around >the $300 price I found locally, (didn't see any in the Summit catalogue) >I'll stick with the one I found if needed. the Howell kit is sold by them for $995, retails for $1,100 to $1,500. Go with the Edelbrock 1406 carb, it's sweet. avoid Holley. >Currently I have the Ford carb, right? I may email James to see if there's most likely a motorcraft 4106 or something like that... has a set of secondaries that remind one of dolly parton, right? nothing else will fit that manifold, I couldn't find any adapters... had to replace the same carb on the stock 4v manifold on my '77. If you go with the Edelebrock you have a few more options and adapters. >any performance tips from the AMC list that he's aware of without signing up >myself. I've searched through your site many times, but mostly checking out I don't have much of the AMC stuff there. Jim emailed the AMXFILES link this morning. You'll find gobs of info there. >the xj stuff - nice PU though! I found a neighbors 69 J10 with military bed >and Buick 350 that I've been lusting after, but the motor needs rebuilt >badly and it has a lot of rust - not exactly a prime candidate to show my where are you, how much? (like I need a 7th rig too... ;) wait, benz, buick, little wag, superdawg, j3000, fairlane, m/c, trailer... only 6 cars... yep, that'd be the 7th... ;) >wife for a 7th rig! Your 81 Wagoneer sounded like a stout rig - I'm going to nothing really special about Old Blue, that's what makes the semi and dump truck stories so compelling. He was stock except for the carb change, and that came after the semi extraction!!! The SJ model Jeeps are impressive in stock form. >be installing 4:88 gears to turn those 38's and am swapping Bronco gears >into the t-case to give me a little lower 3:1 crawl ratio - can't afford an >AtlasII. I live at 9300' west of Denver, so probably won't get very good gas sounds like nose bleed country... I get dizzy at 930 feet. ;) I'm around 300' above sea level, go 1 mile north, sea level, go 1 mile south 600'. Go about 40 miles east and there's the pass, 4 or 5 thousand feet, I think... what's stevens pass??? I'd have to look at the picture of Old Blue next to the pass sign to see. ;) About 90 miles south is mt. rainier, 14,000 plus, and about 90 miles to the north is Mt. Baker, world record holder for snow fall, or is it north american record holder?? It's 9 or 10 thousand feet... >mileage either. I'm installing a fuel cell though, so may go with the 24-30 >gallon versions to accompany my NATO can. I've trimmed quite a bit for SuperDawg has the stock 18 gallon pickup tank and I added a 24 gallon aux tank from an old wagoneer in the back... really helps the ride and the range. :) It's a chunk of change to fill both tanks though. :) >clearance and to keep my lift at a minimum and am removing the hardtop for >the summer wheeling which should help in the weight department, though the >roll cage will add a bit more weight. Then of course I'll need a winch and >more stuff - it never ends does it? at some point you get it where you like it... and then it gets run over by a truck in the parking lot, stolen, or you get tired of it... or it rolls down a mountain on you when you get out to take pictures... and you start all over again. ;) believe it or not I've actually got my xj where I like it. The only thing I'd do to it to improve it is to get those electric locking true-tracs front and rear... and permission from my wife to wheel it again. ;) >I've bought xj's for each of my two >oldest daughters and will get some kind of jeep for my 16 yr old daughter, >but she really wanted the Jeepster. Then my 9 yr old son wants a jeep too, my daughter isn't interested in the Jeeps, unless it's frosty or snowing... then she swipes my wife's jeep (the little wagoneer). My son is going to park his '67 J3000 in favor of his '67 Fairlane. I'm trying to sell my '83 300SD so I have money to finish my shop and do the engine swap in SuperDawg... problem is then I'll need a car to get around in during the swap... guess I'll end up using the little wagoneer since the wife doesn't need to go anywhere and it's crazy for me to have 2 vehicles to myself... ;) >so I'm thinking of a Willys PU for he and I to build together and to be his >school vehicle. Didn't you do something like that too with your son? Thanks >again for all the help, Aaron my son has the '67 J3000, but he also bought a m/c, fortunately I was able to talk him out of it and into the Fairlane. He has no plans on getting rid of the J3000 and I have no plans on driving the J3000, but he's welcome to keep it here after he leaves home, if he ever leaves home... ;) My wife and I both like the looks of the J3000. As long as I don't have to drive it I'm happy. My '83 J10 is much more refined. ;) well, it's sunny out, better get back out and get some work done on the picket fence... it's in the 40's, high in the 50's according to the web... rained yesterday... later, john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #1164 **************************