From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Fri Jan 19 20:20:38 2001 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Friday, January 19 2001 Volume 01 : Number 1181 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: J10 bumpers or hens teeth? fsj: revin' Ben fsj: Re: Intros Re: fsj: Re: been thinkin' (I think that's the subject) Re: fsj: more engine ideas Re: fsj: Tranny prob & thanks Richard RE: fsj: J10 bumpers or hens teeth? Fw: fsj: Tranny prob & thanks Richard fsj: been thinkin' (I think that's the subjec FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 21:06:46 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: J10 bumpers or hens teeth? >From: wp3 >Is it me or are J10 rear bumpers impossible to find? I need a rear >bumper for a 1980 J10, if anyone knows of one for sale would >you please e-mail me at wp3-at-dana.ucc.nau.edu. thanks, >Will >80 J10 for the standard J10 box, the townside model they're out there... for the stepside J10 box, (the sportside/thriftside model) well... you'll have to shop wrecking yards far and wide, and then be creative. :) I picked up a FEY chrome unit for mine at Fitz import... I think they said it was for a Toyota, a little work with some metal and I had it fitting just fine, it's about 2" overall longer than the stock one... hangs over each side about an inch... john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 21:14:42 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: revin' Ben 3,500 rpm isn't too bad... most engines are ok up to about 4,500 or 5,000 rpm... most of the time the valves will start floating and you'll drop off the power band before you really have a chance to hurt anything... :) john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 21:27:06 -0800 From: "J. Grammer" Subject: fsj: Re: Intros As a whole, I'm a little 'off topic', but: San Luis Obispo, CA 1 AMC 401 in my '64 Travelall('73 IH factory installation, the body swap previously alluded to) 1 AMC 401 sitting on shop floor(soon to be for sale unless I can think of a really good use for it) 1 '95 ZJ(wife's car/truck, need to weld up that exhaust manifold/header leak!) More Internationals than I can count on all my fingers and toes :) (john, you think you're out of control?) So why was I motivated to circle that FSJ Cherokee in last weeks ad paper? You know, the cheap one that needs an engine.... Cheers, Jim ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 02:18:58 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Re: been thinkin' (I think that's the subject) Not stock (too many splines and I don't know about shaft legth). There is an adapter kit from advanced of cour$e. The Chev's run an NP case too, but I'm not sure what it is. (probably NP242 with HD chain) From: "Ray (lists)" (snip) Will the 4L60E and 4L80E bolt to an NP229 t-case? Ray Drouillard ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10, '86 Comanche http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 02:30:14 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: more engine ideas A: You can use a 4.2L block, but you won't get a stroker (unless you have 4.0L liners grafted into it). You'll just get a higher output 4.2L (due to better breathing) especially if you put an HO cam in it. You will need to bore it anyway with that bad #2 piston. I just did the burnt exhaust valve in my Dodge slant 6 today (I'll finish tomorrow as soon as I find out what the head torque is supposed to be) The only difference in the 4.0L and 4.2L block is the bore and stroke. The earliest 4.0L ('87 only) even has the same external casting marks and frost plugs as the 4.2L. I saw one at Olympic 4x4, and took it to the machine shop in BC where I had my work done, but it needed sleeving in 2 cylinders so I took it back. I got a good bare block from Vanvouver Core supply for $100 Cdn (about $66 US) I have all the info on my stroker page on my website. You could try Global Engines (I sold one of the guys that works there my AW4 trans) for a rebuilt bottom end. They are building a few strokers too. From: john At 01:02 PM 1/17/01 -0800, jim blair wrote:       You need a 4.0L block with clean bore and pistons to pop your 4.2L crank (1/2" longer stroke than 4.0L) and rods into to make a stroker, so I can't use my 4.2L block??? what if I used my 4.2L block, had it reringed, etc. and just use the stock 4.0L head with intake/injector setup. would the distributer from a 4.0L work? how about flywheel or flexplate? or would it just be easier to use a complete 4.0L? john ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10, '86 Comanche http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 02:44:25 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Tranny prob & thanks Richard A: I second the thanks! And Ben, if you aren't just kidding around, 5,000 RPM would be on the high side for your motor, if the tach is reading right. I go for the feel of the motor personally. I only blew one motor due to over revving, and that was a super quiet GM 261 big six in my '55 Pontiac show car "Sparkling Blue" (It became Pushing Blue after that!) I was doing 120 mph in 3rd gear (3 on the tree) keeping up to my bro-in-law's hot rod Capri turbo V6 5 speed going across the Mission Bridge in BC, when there was a slight hesitation, and I heard and big KA-BLAM! No more muffler and I could hear how loud the motor was and how fast it was revving, and I backed down. Not sure what my RPM was, but I think I was beyond the 5500 RPM inherent vibration to death point of 6 cyls! Let's see, I was doing 120 mph (checked by 2 speedos) with G60-14 tires and 5:13 gears. (25" tire, 120 mph, 5.13 gears in 1:1 = 8400 RPM!!!! No wonder I left 1/2 a piston on the highway!) From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com First, thank you Richard for doing what you do so we can have this list. The other day while testing what turned out to be the final 4350 carb fix, I floored the accelerator from a dead stop. After a few seconds I glanced at the tach and noticed it was moving past 3500 rpm at a fast rate. The tranny was probably still in second gear. I took my foot off the pedal immediately. It kinda freaked me out to see my tach that high. There is no evidence of damage as a result. Never having had an auto tranny and a tach before, I don't know what reasonable shift points might be under these conditions. Did I do something bad? : ) Ben Williams '71 Wagoneer '78 F-250 4x4 '88 Bronco ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10, '86 Comanche http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:29:06 -0800 From: john Subject: RE: fsj: J10 bumpers or hens teeth? At 01:17 AM 1/18/01 -0700, wp3 wrote: > >===== Original Message From john ===== > >>From: wp3 > >>Is it me or are J10 rear bumpers impossible to find? I need a rear > >>bumper for a 1980 J10, if anyone knows of one for sale would > >>you please e-mail me at wp3-at-dana.ucc.nau.edu. thanks, > >>Will > >>80 J10 > > > >for the standard J10 box, the townside model > >they're out there... > > > >for the stepside J10 box, (the sportside/thriftside model) > > well... you'll have to shop wrecking yards far and wide, > >and then be creative. :) I picked up a FEY chrome unit for > >mine at Fitz import... I think they said it was for a Toyota, > >a little work with some metal and I had it fitting just fine, > >it's about 2" overall longer than the stock one... hangs over > >each side about an inch... > > > >john > >thanks john. I've tried almost every junkyard in my phonebook, and they all >want over $200. and they won't insure condition. >I tell you it's hard to find J10 parts in AZ. I would gladly have paid $200 for a good stock bumper... I spent about 4 or 5 hours fabricating special brackets to make mine work... I only paid $50 for my bumper, but it's a $250 chrome job... got lucky. :) john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:38:24 -0500 From: "Ray (lists)" Subject: Fw: fsj: Tranny prob & thanks Richard > I was doing 120 mph in 3rd gear (3 on the tree) keeping up to my > bro-in-law's hot rod Capri turbo V6 5 speed going across the Mission > Bridge in BC, when there was a slight hesitation, and I heard and big > KA-BLAM! No more muffler and I could hear how loud the motor was and how > fast it was revving, and I backed down. > Not sure what my RPM was, but I think I was beyond the 5500 RPM > inherent vibration to death point of 6 cyls! Let's see, I was doing 120 > mph (checked by 2 speedos) with G60-14 tires and 5:13 gears. (25" tire, > 120 mph, 5.13 gears in 1:1 = 8400 RPM!!!! No wonder I left 1/2 a piston > on the highway!) James, Did anyone ever tell you that you're a disaster looking for a place to happen? :-) Ray ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 01:14:08 -0500 From: Michael Baxter Subject: fsj: been thinkin' (I think that's the subjec "Ray (lists)" writes: >> Do you have any idea how it works electrically? What connectors perform what function? If I know what voltage to put where, I can make a manual box for it really easily, and an automatic box with a little more experimentation. I have no problem with the idea of using it in manual mode until I get around to dinking with an electronic circuit that'll shift it for me. Will the 4L60E and 4L80E bolt to an NP229 t-case? << I don't know exactly what the pin-out is or which ones need to be held high to achieve a particular condition, but what you propose can certainly be done. And I'm almost sure all you need is a box of switches. You got me on the 229 adaption question. The 700R4 uses a 27 spline output shaft with a 4 bolt pattern and the only way I could adapt was to put a 700R4 output shaft in my 60E. And cut a little of it off. I can take a picture of the back-end of my '98 60E if you'd like? You know Advance would know the answers to these questions. Maybe the input gear in the 229 can be changed and then a 60E with GM NP intermediate housing used. You never know. Michael Baxter, MBaxter-at-Compuserve.com-OR-N7OVD-at-arrl.net http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 18-Jan-2001 ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #1181 **************************