From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Thu Jan 25 15:31:08 2001 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Thursday, January 25 2001 Volume 01 : Number 1189 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: one sharp '84 J10 fsj: [Fwd: Glass replacements anyone?] [Fwd: Re: fsj: intros] [Fwd: Re: fsj: Weatherstripping question (again)] fsj: Portland adventure fsj: ye olde vacuum diagrams, FSJ style... fsj: the original FSJ list... fsj: more passing of gas... fsj: Re: Average diesel prices 1/22/01 fsj: (WA state info) DNR roads & SB-5008 (fwd) Re: fsj: more on gauges Re: fsj: New List Subscriber - Hi Re: fsj: new engine.. 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Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 21:58:56 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: one sharp '84 J10 this is one sharp J10. :) http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/84-J10-Hendersons/all-pix.html ---- john - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux **** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://junkscience.com ** http://snopes.com ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA ...don't leave life without Jesus, please... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 23:50:08 -0800 From: JeepNut Subject: fsj: [Fwd: Glass replacements anyone?] I know I'm slow, but here's some bounced mail from the "dead zone".... AND it DID leak and I had to go in for a reseal. The verdict is still out on the results of their second effort... ANDDDDD the back window when they put it into the track they obviously did not take the tailgate apart. When I DID take it apart to tint the rear glass 2 days later, I found the wires for the defroster pinched in the track UNDER the glass and had to dismount the pig and redo it all myself AFTERall. A typical experience for me and auto repairs in Memphis. In fact, quite the Normal experience unfortunately. JeepNut - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Glass replacements anyone? Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 22:35:50 -0600 From: JeepNut To: _FSJ List Well I'll save the boring details, but I just replaced the windsheild AND the rear tailgate glass on the Waggie... someone was just asking about glass, or not being able to find one.... Safelite AutoGlass in Memphis. Likely a national chain... With defroster grid... Non Privacy Glass $356.04 +$39.00 installation Privacy Glass... I didn't hear clearly past $600... something like 650 I think... Whee! Windsheild $217.68 +$39.00 installation It's done. It was a totally no hassle deal with the guys at Safelite and at Allstate. One call to my agent, another to Safelite and a day to get the glass from Little Rock... Let y'all know if it leaks... :-0 JeepNut - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------- '87 Street Comanche #24/100 '88 Grand Wagoneer ...and they say there's only one... '92 Cherokee - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 23:51:28 -0800 From: JeepNut Subject: [Fwd: Re: fsj: intros] ...and as requested by the Master... - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: fsj: intros Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 22:15:11 -0600 From: JeepNut To: _FSJ List References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010106120425.00a284f0-at-wagoneers.com> Steve Lett here. Seen in and around West TN more than elsewhere, although you Hoosiers may see my taillights once in a while.... and those who travel any western Kentucky Parkways... I am JeepNut, therefore I am broke. As it is said is it so. ;-) JeepNut john wrote: > We haven't done this for awhile... lots of new folks. > Brief post of who/where/what you are. > > john meister > snohomish, washington > > '67 J3000 327/3spd/Dana 20 unknown miles (son's) > '83 J10 Stepside (SuperDawg) 4.2L/T5/NP208 140,000 miles (MINE) > '83 300SD - stock 205,000 miles (for sale) > '88 xj wagoneer limited (the little wagoneer) 4L/AW/NP242/OME lift > true-trac front/trac lock rear 207,000 miles (wife's ;) > http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html > (also, '67 Fairlane 289/c4 son's and '88 buick regal 2.8L/at daughter's) > > later, > john > ------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > ------------------------------------------------------- - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------- '87 Street Comanche #24/100 '88 Grand Wagoneer ...and they say there's only one... '92 Cherokee - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 23:52:36 -0800 From: JeepNut Subject: [Fwd: Re: fsj: Weatherstripping question (again)] ...for those who might find this useful info... - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: fsj: Weatherstripping question (again) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 22:04:24 -0600 From: JeepNut To: Brian Wall CC: fsj-at-digest.net References: Hi Mr. Wall, If I read this right, you are looking for the rubber seals between the window and the doorskin right? Along the top of the door/bottom of the window? ...If so and because it may be universally useful to other listers... Specialty Parts San Carlos, CA 1-800-227-3848 Window Seal, Rear, Inners J5761984 $7.63 Window Seal, Rear, Outers J5761983 $10.01 Window Seal, Left Front, Inner J5761985 $8.42 Window Seal, Right Front, Inner J5761986 $9.06 Window Seal, Front, Outers J5761982 $10.01 Info good 99Oct25 They work great. JeepNut Brian Wall wrote: > Help... I'm still trying to find a source to replace the BOTTOM exterior > weatherstripping channel on the driver and passenger doors on my 86 GW. > Description: about 2' long, 1-inch tall with a small lip that overhangs > outward from vehicle and a wider lip that seals against the window. Has 4 > retaining clips. Official Jeep pt. replacement is 5513-5168/5169, but is way > more than I'd like to pay for each 2-foot section. I've looked over > JCWhitney, but nothing there seems to closely match. Salvage finds don't > appear to be in any better condition than what I already have. Has anyone > replaced these w/a source outside of their Jeep dealership or salvage? If > so, where did you find them and what was the pt. # (if you recall). Thanks. > > B Wall > 86 GW (name pending) > OKC - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------- '87 Street Comanche #24/100 '88 Grand Wagoneer ...and they say there's only one... '92 Cherokee - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 22:14:50 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: Portland adventure Heading down to Portland early Friday, going to spend the night and return Saturday. The wife has shopping in mind which means I'll be sitting outside and able to share a cup of coffee or just visit... :) Believe it or not I get to take SuperDawg! :) We drove him down to a Bible study tonight and since I've improved the ride, the seats and the wind noise, the wife agreed to take him!!! :) We'll probably stay down near Tigard right off of I-5. I'll bring my laptop and check email when I get down there. If you email me before tomorrow night I'll give you my cell number, it'll roam down there fine. I'm hoping to chat with a few of my friends while I'm down there. I'll be filling the back of SuperDawg up with an engine, fenders, hood, tailgate, grille and who knows what else... :) I'm hoping that not bringing the trailer won't be a problem. I really don't want to drag a 1,400 lb trailer there and back if I can pile it all up in my 7' long stepside bed... I figure I'll buy a couple sheets of plywood to extend the sides if I need to... :) BTW, what CB channel do the truckers run on I-5? Diesel Dan, you still off work? Whit, I'm gonna pass on the 5.2L, haven't decided whether I'm going to do a 4.0L or a Diesel conversion yet... most likely will go with the 4.0L. :) I may do the Diesel conversion in the '80 Cherokee Chief... Hey, Paul, what was the age of a vehicle to exempt it from emissions? 20, 24 or 25 years?? Joe, if you're paying attention, I just found the vacuum diagram in the MR253, scanned in the one for the 360 and the 258, will upload to http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/Engines/Vacuum/ later, john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux **** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://junkscience.com ** http://snopes.com ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA ...don't leave life without Jesus, please... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 22:54:58 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: ye olde vacuum diagrams, FSJ style... Hey Joe, lookie what I found! :) hope this is what you're looking for, it didn't have year specific info, but came out of my MR 253. http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/Engines/Vacuum/360-V8-vaccum-diagram.JPG http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/Engines/Vacuum/258-I6-vaccum-diagram.JPG http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/Engines/Vacuum/ john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux **** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://junkscience.com ** http://snopes.com ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA ...don't leave life without Jesus, please... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 23:01:30 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: the original FSJ list... just got my invite to join the original FSJ list as they move off of ORC! I don't have doc's email handy (I'm telnetted in right now to my server) and need to ask him if I can go digest mode. :) I like the way the 1fsj list is setup, I can post to it and just view the list on their server... BTW, RJ, did I read that right, did you finally get an engine!? SuperDawg needs one too... He's got so much sludge in the crankcase that I have to read the stick about six times to get it clean enough to read! IT's running ok, mostly... dies at idle though... Thinking of doing the 4.0L setup. I'm taking him down to Portland this weekend... if he's gonna die, he'll die on I-5... ;) Too bad you're not up here, I'll have an extra 360 as soon as I reengine the '80 Cherokee Chief I don't have yet... ;) (so, let's see at my current progression rate on projects, that'll mean it'll be available around 2008.... if it doesn't rain... ;) john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux **** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://junkscience.com ** http://snopes.com ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA ...don't leave life without Jesus, please... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 23:07:49 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: more passing of gas... << because LPG costs more than Diesel, produces less power and gets worse economy... >> And leads to valve wear Paul Bradway 86 Cherokee 72 LTD convertible[ used to run on LPG] 70 Mustang ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux **** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://junkscience.com ** http://snopes.com ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA ...don't leave life without Jesus, please... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 23:10:51 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: Average diesel prices 1/22/01 On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 Peloquinrl-at-aol.com wrote: >-->John, >--> >-->Same old complaint. Our prices at the pump in Oregon and Washington are way >-->out of whack with what the DOE claims is average in this table: >--> http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/weekly_on_highway_diesel_prices/current/html/diesel.html >-->Rod >-->Yamhill, OR yeah, how do they figure that? The cheapest Diesel I've found is about $1.79! Maybe the feds aren't including the additional .23 the state adds on top of the .22 or whatever that the feds charge... john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux **** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://junkscience.com ** http://snopes.com ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA ...don't leave life without Jesus, please... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 23:18:40 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: (WA state info) DNR roads & SB-5008 (fwd) I've met this rep, she understands what the people of her district want. Too bad we couldn't have gotten her in the US Senate instead of the two liberal demos we have now... :( john - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Paul W." A bill in our State (WA) Legislature we trail drivers & riders can support! Paul In case you have not already seen the legislation. We need to jump on this and support this bill. I have already sent three letters and will be sending more today. I encourage you all to do the same. Chuck Cowman ---------- Howdy, Senator Val Stevens is looking for support for her bill SB5008. It addresses public access to DNR roads. I have attached a copy of the bill. Do you have any thoughts concerning it? Would you be willing to go to Olympia and tell a Senate committee that you support it? Please let me know what you think. happy trails Tod P S-0320.1 _______________________________________________ SENATE BILL 5008 _______________________________________________ State of Washington 57th Legislature 2001 Regular Session By Senators Stevens, Swecker, Zarelli, Hochstatter and Rossi Read first time 01/08/2001. Referred to Committee on Natural Resources, Parks & Shorelines. AN ACT Relating to primary and secondary forest roads; adding new sections to chapter 79.38 RCW; and creating new sections. BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF WASHINGTON: {+ NEW SECTION. +} Sec. 1. In the department of natural resources' program for planning and development of primary and secondary forest roads, the department should be sensitive to compatible public access. The department of natural resources should develop a consistent policy for public needs and for trust needs. While the highest and best use for trust lands is providing fiscal stability and economic gain for the trust, the highest and best use of such lands for all the people of Washington is the opportunity to use and enjoy access to public lands. Both uses should be coordinated to assist programs such as watchable wildlife, horse trails, all-terrain vehicle areas, and the widespread public use of lands for family outings for all citizens of the state. The solitude under the forest canopy and the enjoyment of the forest environment are vital elements in calming a citizenry hard pressed to maintain positive social values. {+ NEW SECTION. +} Sec. 2. Primary and secondary forest roads in danger of failing should be part of an ongoing upgrading process for future use. The department of natural resources shall review the road system on public trust lands in order to develop a schedule to upgrade those roads that will increase both the value of the trust and to continue the public's ability to access trust lands. Improving the forest road system is especially necessary to allow access to the many natural area preserves, natural resource conservation areas, and other public lands that the legislature has been creating by its funding. {+ NEW SECTION. +} Sec. 3. The department of natural resources shall give special consideration to the federal Americans with disabilities act in providing roads that will allow vehicle use for those persons who are disabled. {+ NEW SECTION. +} Sec. 4. The department of natural resources may stockpile road building materials and may require the stockpiling of materials by persons harvesting or using public lands when those persons are building roads. {+ NEW SECTION. +} Sec. 5. The department of natural resources shall, as manager for the trust, as part of its management program and in conjunction with the task force created in section 7 of this act, undertake a study and report back to the legislature by December 1, 2003, concerning: (1) A review of the state primary and secondary roads in the Cascade foothills with recommendations on how to increase the number of roads available and how to maintain such roads for future public use; (2) Problems on all public lands caused by vandalism and recommendations on how to approach the problem; (3) Garbage and illegal dumping on public lands and recommendations on needed legislation; (4) A review of misuse of public resources and how the department and the legislature should address this problem; (5) Develop recommendations on road damage and on old road failure in order to upgrade the road system to benefit both the trust and the general public; and (6) An analysis of road standards, public use, and the methods to ensure that roads are built to standards that will provide a greater value to the trust and a more permanent road system for the public's use and benefit. (7) For the purposes of this section, "Cascade foothills" means generally the nonurbanized lands within the Cascade range and drainages lying between three hundred and three thousand feet above mean sea level, and located within the counties of Whatcom, Skagit, Snohomish, King, Pierce, and Thurston. Lands lying at lower elevations that are in the immediate vicinity of the foothills area, such as lower drainages, are also included within this term. These lands include public lands that are devoted to developed, nonrecreational uses. {+ NEW SECTION. +} Sec. 6. The department of natural resources shall, when making temporary primary and secondary road closures, prepare a list of road closures at the beginning of each year and notify the affected counties, cities, and all user groups of proposed temporary road closures. The department of natural resources must hold a hearing in the general area to discuss the temporary closure with the public and with user groups. It is the department's responsibility to notify as many user groups as possible prior to the hearing. The list submitted by the department shall show the area and use pattern of each road to be temporarily closed. The list shall include as much information on the recreational and public use of the roads as possible. {+ NEW SECTION. +} Sec. 7. The commissioner of public lands shall appoint a task force to work on increasing public access to public lands. The task force shall include federal and state land management agencies and representatives of private landowners. The task force shall also include four members of the legislature, one from each of the two largest caucuses of the senate and house of representatives, appointed by the president of the senate and the co-speakers of the house of representatives, respectively. {+ NEW SECTION. +} Sec. 8. Sections 2 through 4, 6, and 7 of this act are each added to chapter 79.38 RCW. --- END --- ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux **** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://junkscience.com ** http://snopes.com ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA ...don't leave life without Jesus, please... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 02:05:36 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: more on gauges A: I just set the drill on medium speed and let it roll about -at-100 mph (it doesn't work backwards BTW) I worked in a body shop, and I had to reset speedos to match the originals which were often busted by vandals. I redid at least 4 that were "tamper proof" and this was while an RCMP officer taped it for a seminar. The digital ones can be zapped, but not altered AFAIK. From: Roy Kesmodel Well, As long as it's for "perfectly honest reasons", I would think you could just chuck the tranny end of the cable in a hand drill, clamp the drill in place, and let her run until you reached the numbers you wanted. Might take a while. Hmmm, don't know if you can run it in reverse that way. Might take a LLLOOONNNGGG while to roll over and then get to the numbers you want. Roy ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10, '86 Comanche http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 02:14:36 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: New List Subscriber - Hi A: I wonder if...? nah! Can't be one of my Canadian conversions! Besides, I didn't rip the heater out, since the motor fit in nicely! That must have been a 6 cyl originally. Grab a Dodge van heater box from under the hood. That should do nicely in your convo. I wish I had put the 383 Hemi (from a '61 Fargo 5 ton) I had in one, but I never found a CHEAP enough FSJ for myself when I lived in Canada! (there are several Mopar powered IHs running around!) From: William Prince There All! Hello Everyone; My name is William Prince and I live in North Las Vegas, Nv. Recently I got the urge to get back into both MOPARS and Jeeps. My last jeep was an 84 CJ7 and my last MOPAR was a Dodge van. So I ran across an 82 J10 that had a 440 Chrysler conversion in it but had a broken valve. The truck was in good physical shape except for a cracked windshield and a piece missing from the grille (still looking for a grille (or I will make one out of aluminum tubing). It also had a great looking $1200.00 set of Centerline Pros and 33x12.50x15s on it. I gave $600.00 for the truck with the intention of replacing the 440. I acquired an Industrial/Motor Home 413 motor with low miles which I installed. The main difference is with the water pump sitting higher than the 440 and feeding both the block and heads, the fan is about 6 inches higher. I cannot run the fan at this time as it would cut the upper radiator hose in two, until I have the top radiator inlet m0oved to the other side, then the hose will clear the fan. (snip) Now all I need besides a windshield and grille is to get an after-market heater for the cab as the stock one was removed to make way for the Chrysler motor! ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10, '86 Comanche http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 02:35:53 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: new engine.. A: If you buy a good used hoist (or a new one, which is $200 here) you can usually resell it for what you bought it for, or use it for other projects (That's what I lifted Elmo off the ground with when I dropped the rear axle and gas tank to patch the frame last winter, before I found Blackie) You have a bumper mounted hitch? I wouldn't trust that too far! Unless it's a HD step bumper (not stock! Remember what happened to John's!) I wouldn't trust it with more than 1000 lbs load. From: Cyber Phoenix   Well yes the 12' is across.. I also am try to find or figure out a rail system, so i can move it backwards and forwards as well.. two days ago I almost bought a cheaper chain hoist at this once a year like sale that is mobile and has mostly tools and guy stuff... that comes to town only 5 days out of the year. in a big tent... But I was to late.. sold out.. along with a lot of things! They where 25.00 bucks.. ( But I also got a bunch of goodies though at great prices!) However , I did find one at http://www.harborfreight.com for about 50.00 I am try to decide to rent a cherry picker or go with the chain hoist.. Or should I buy a cherry picker? I don't think I would use it much though.. I am starting a lawn care business in the next two months, here in Huntsville AL. The weather will hopefully be warming up soon.. remember . it is spring earlier them most people here.. I also have to get a lawnmower( commercial) and other stuff to start off with.. Another question.. I have a hitch on the back bumper, and it has hauled some light stuff.. but should I worry about getting a Receiver type Hitch? thanks! R.J. 80 J10 Honcho Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 13:13:39 -0000 ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10, '86 Comanche http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #1189 **************************