From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Tue May 8 11:37:00 2001 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Tuesday, May 8 2001 Volume 01 : Number 1311 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: RE:ignition woes Re: [fsj: Re: Trans Question] Re: [fsj: FSJ Express] Re: [fsj: little wagoneer totalled... wife is ok... ] Re: [fsj: My '89 GW with proposed new transmission] Re: [fsj: My '89 GW with proposed new transmission] fsj: Re: jeep fsj: 727/400 debate fsj: Fwd: POLL: MSNBC Poll, Please Vote fsj: Re: J truck bed floor fsj: Help--Rear Brakes Vibration RE: fsj: 67 J3000 Bed rebuild.... Re: [fsj: Re: jeep] FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 12:14:59 -0700 From: "Phillips, Scott" Subject: fsj: RE:ignition woes "JC Jones" wrote: >That will probably make it run, but it will eventually fry >your coil unless you also hook up a ballast resistor in that >line. JC How do you find out what kind of Ballast resistor you should put in. There are only about a million in the parts store and the counter monkeys are less than helpful in ID'ing what was original. Scott Phillips ------------------------------ Date: 7 May 2001 14:16:47 MDT From: Michael Shimniok Subject: Re: [fsj: Re: Trans Question] FWIW, I think the 727 can be built with heavy duty components prolly enuf to make it bulletproof. One advantage: linkage versus vacuum modulator. Jeep 727's came in lockup or non-lockup variants, your choice. Jim B sez you can put a smaller 999 torque converter in 'em for better mileage, maybe better engine braking too? More hipo parts for 400, but 727 has plenty too. I have a 727 that I think is original with 140k, works great. Definitely add a tranny cooler and swap fluid & filter regularly (15-30k miles) Unless you swap tailshafts & adapters on the 400, the 727 offers lots more bolt-on tcase options. You can put QuadraTrac on some 400's, D20 on others. Some pre-73 TH400's have B-O-P pattern (some with adapter), meaning you can bolt up a 455 buick, olds, pontiac. Michael john wrote: > On Mon, 7 May 2001 Bjersr5-at-cs.com wrote: > > >-->I like to know from yall's experience which is the better trans. The 400 or > >-->the 727? is it safe to assume that the 400 is the same as the GM just with > >-->the AMC bolt pattern? I know the both were put behind big blocks. > >--> > >-->Thanks Barry > > the TH400 is probably more durable, but the 727's have a lockup feature... > > You can recase a TH400 for GM motors, and change the output shaft to mate > to other xfr cases. > > The TF727 is not as durable, in my opinion, as the TH400. I used to be > a fan of "elephant power", but the torqueflites used in Jeeps are not > worthy of any praise as far as I can tell... It's amazing to me that > no fluid is routed to the tranny cooler in park!!! I burned up a tf727 > because it kept running low on fluid, the o-ring for the dipstick was > bad I found out later, and I tried to cool it down while letting it idle > in park... two counts of stupidity compounded by a poor design... > > john > > ---- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux **** http://wagoneers.com ** > ** http://junkscience.com ** http://snopes.com ** http://freegift.net ** > Snohomish, Washington USA ...don't leave life without Jesus, please... > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Michael E. Shimniok - KC0EKI - Michael.Shimniok-at-usa.net "For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong." - H. L. Menken ------------------------------ Date: 7 May 2001 14:33:40 MDT From: Michael Shimniok Subject: Re: [fsj: FSJ Express] This is a great idea. This topic comes up very frequently. The question of "does anyone have a ____" is always followed closely by "where do you live" followed by "how much would it cost to ship ____ from one end of the country to the other" usually followed by a loud sigh and a quiet 'nevermind...' :) I rarely pay attention to parts available anywhere outside of CO even if I really really need/want it. The big thing would be if we could ship motors, tcases and trannies, cuz we have plenty of these in junkyards around CO but they are just too expensive to ship. Michael "Landon Tesar" wrote: > I was just concerned that we could build a realistic network...don't > know if there is such a package. > > - Landon > > > Just out of curiosity, is there actually a package needing to be > > transported for this "FSJ Express", or are we just pinging (in the > > network sense, not in the engine sense) in the dark? - --- Michael E. Shimniok - KC0EKI - Michael.Shimniok-at-usa.net "For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong." - H. L. Menken ------------------------------ Date: 7 May 2001 14:46:30 MDT From: Michael Shimniok Subject: Re: [fsj: little wagoneer totalled... wife is ok... ] Sorry to hear the bad news. Very glad your wife is ok! Guess you'll be shopping for another XJ in the near future... ? I would be upset to crunch TC (if I ever get the truck on the road again :)) ... lots and lots of hours and dollars spent building that truck up. I'd have no choice but to swap most of it into another FSJ. Michael john wrote: > My wife is ok, she's going to the Chiropractor in a few minutes... has > whiplash... getting > her to the Chiropractor immediately to help her avoid a lot of the pain. I > waited a couple days > to get to the doc when I hit that tree... this won't feel good anyway you > go... :( > > The little wagoneer is sitting in the yard, it's definitely a total > loss. The passenger > door won't close, the rear axle is moved, the entire frame rail on the > passenger side > is folded. I will buy it back from salvage value and part it out. Not > sure what > we'll be replacing it with... my guess is my wife will definitely want > another XJ. Everyone > that saw the accident commented how well it did and how much worse it would > have been... > > The wife was driving up the Clearview hill, south on State Route 9 at about > 50mph when an 18 year old shot out of the gas station parking lot by the > Cathcart store at 160th... > the little wagoneer was hit in the right front side... the rear axle was > stuffed against the back > fender, the rear spring was destroyed on the passenger side. Driveshaft > was spit out... looks > like the tailshaft on the xfr case is damaged... It makes very funny > sounds when it's moved... > > She spun around end ended up facing the way she came in the center turn > lane. A paramedic > was a witness and checked her out right away. She was in shock, but able > to call me. I was > on a call with HP trying to fix my server and thankful that I had a second > line, and that I answered it... > > The kid was cited for failure to yield right of way. Only a $119 fine. > > We're not upset and don't expect any problems with the insurance > company. Although since > the kid has state farm it could be a pain... we're with the Hartford, > they're supposed to be pretty good... > > Well, I guess this means I'll be keeping my 300SD for certain. Looks like > I'll be putting SuperDawg > back on the road with a bad engine for a while... :( > > The saab is probably rebuildable... most of the damage is to the front end > before the drivetrain, although > he lost his radiator... If he had gotten in front of the little wagoneer > the outcome would have been > much worse for him. Getting broadsided on the driver's side is one of the > worst things that can happen... > > pix at: > http://www.wagoneers.com/XJ/rigs/littlewagoneer/may3-2001-xj-vs-saab/ > > we're heading to the Chiropractor, > see ya later, > john > ------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > ------------------------------------------------------- - --- Michael E. Shimniok - KC0EKI - Michael.Shimniok-at-usa.net "For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong." - H. L. Menken ------------------------------ Date: 7 May 2001 16:39:57 MDT From: Michael Shimniok Subject: Re: [fsj: My '89 GW with proposed new transmission] I'm pretty sure I'd never use 6th gear cuz I rarely exceed 75mph and if it were easy to do so, I still wouldn't go much above 85mph most of the time. I would think that 1600rpm might be a little low to achieve 70mph at high altitudes on anything but fairly flat ground... depends on the motor, sure. OTOH that's what downshifting is for I suppose... Interesting. I take it the 6spd Richmond Gear unit is a manual?? Anyone know where to find similar information about 5 or 6 speed autos? Is it even remotely feasible to stick an allison 6-speed (ie. motorhome tranny) in a GW?? Just curious and ignorant... Michael "Ray (lists)" wrote: > Highway Gearing Highway Gear Ratio 2.07 > Engine Speed (RPM) at 70 MPH 1621 > Engine Speed (RPM) at 80 MPH 1853 > Engine Speed (RPM) at 90 MPH 2085 > Engine Speed (RPM) at 100 MPH 2316 > > Once you are off the trail, it is desirable to keep up with the freeway > traffic, get better than three or four miles per gallon, and not thrash your > engine. Since I have found (by experience) that a Jeep Wagoneer is perfectly > stable at a speed of 100 miles per hour (making it a very versatile vehicle), > I have included information about speeds of up to 100 MPH. > > Transmission Gearing Transfer Case > and > Auxiliary Gearing 1st gear > 4.06:1 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ratio > Ratio w/ Axle > 500 RPM > 2000 RPM > 5000 RPM 2nd gear > 2.22:1 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ratio > Ratio w/ Axle > 500 RPM > 2000 RPM > 5000 RPM 3rd gear > 1.57:1 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ratio > Ratio w/ Axle > 500 RPM > 2000 RPM > 5000 RPM 4th gear > 1.23:1 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ratio > Ratio w/ Axle > 500 RPM > 2000 RPM > 5000 RPM 5th gear > 1:1 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ratio > Ratio w/ Axle > 500 RPM > 2000 RPM > 5000 RPM 6th gear > 0.76:1 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ratio > Ratio w/ Axle > 500 RPM > 2000 RPM > 5000 RPM > 2.72:1 > (tc) 2.72:1 > 11.04:1 > 30.04:1 > 1.49 MPH > 5.94 MPH > 14.86 MPH 6.04:1 > 16.42:1 > 2.72 MPH > 10.87 MPH > 27.17 MPH 4.27:1 > 11.62:1 > 3.84 MPH > 15.37 MPH > 38.42 MPH 3.35:1 > 9.1:1 > 4.9 MPH > 19.62 MPH > 49.04 MPH 2.72:1 > 7.4:1 > 6.03 MPH > 24.13 MPH > 60.32 MPH 2.07:1 > 5.62:1 > 7.94 MPH > 31.75 MPH > 79.36 MPH > 1:1 > 4.06:1 > 11.04:1 > 4.04 MPH > 16.16 MPH > 40.41 MPH 2.22:1 > 6.04:1 > 7.39 MPH > 29.56 MPH > 73.9 MPH 1.57:1 > 4.27:1 > 10.45 MPH > 41.8 MPH > 104.5 MPH 1.23:1 > 3.35:1 > 13.34 MPH > 53.35 MPH > 133.38 MPH 1:1 > 2.72:1 > 16.41 MPH > 65.62 MPH > 164.06 MPH 0.76:1 > 2.07:1 > 21.59 MPH > 86.35 MPH > 215.87 MPH > > This section displays the overall ratio (with and without the axle ratio) for > each gear. It also displays the vehicle speed at 500, 2000, and 5000 RPM. This > gives you an idea about the speed range for each gear, and for each > range/auxiliary setting. - --- Michael E. Shimniok - KC0EKI - Michael.Shimniok-at-usa.net "For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong." - H. L. Menken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 22:11:03 -0500 From: Cyber Phoenix Subject: Re: [fsj: My '89 GW with proposed new transmission] I read on the 79 wag.. I can't remember the owner's manual, or on the body.. But it says do not go over 75 mph.. R.J. Michael Shimniok wrote: > I'm pretty sure I'd never use 6th gear cuz I rarely exceed 75mph and if it > were easy to do so, I still wouldn't go much above 85mph most of the time. I > would think that 1600rpm might be a little low to achieve 70mph at high > altitudes on anything but fairly flat ground... depends on the motor, sure. > OTOH that's what downshifting is for I suppose... > > Interesting. I take it the 6spd Richmond Gear unit is a manual?? Anyone > know > where to find similar information about 5 or 6 speed autos? Is it even > remotely feasible to stick an allison 6-speed (ie. motorhome tranny) in a > GW?? > Just curious and ignorant... > > Michael > > "Ray (lists)" wrote: > > Highway Gearing Highway Gear Ratio 2.07 > > Engine Speed (RPM) at 70 MPH 1621 > > Engine Speed (RPM) at 80 MPH 1853 > > Engine Speed (RPM) at 90 MPH 2085 > > Engine Speed (RPM) at 100 MPH 2316 > > > > Once you are off the trail, it is desirable to keep up with the freeway > > traffic, get better than three or four miles per gallon, and not thrash > your > > engine. Since I have found (by experience) that a Jeep Wagoneer is > perfectly > > stable at a speed of 100 miles per hour (making it a very versatile > vehicle), > > I have included information about speeds of up to 100 MPH. > > > > Transmission Gearing Transfer Case > > and > > Auxiliary Gearing 1st gear > > 4.06:1 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Ratio > > Ratio w/ Axle > > 500 RPM > > 2000 RPM > > 5000 RPM 2nd gear > > 2.22:1 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Ratio > > Ratio w/ Axle > > 500 RPM > > 2000 RPM > > 5000 RPM 3rd gear > > 1.57:1 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Ratio > > Ratio w/ Axle > > 500 RPM > > 2000 RPM > > 5000 RPM 4th gear > > 1.23:1 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Ratio > > Ratio w/ Axle > > 500 RPM > > 2000 RPM > > 5000 RPM 5th gear > > 1:1 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Ratio > > Ratio w/ Axle > > 500 RPM > > 2000 RPM > > 5000 RPM 6th gear > > 0.76:1 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Ratio > > Ratio w/ Axle > > 500 RPM > > 2000 RPM > > 5000 RPM > > 2.72:1 > > (tc) 2.72:1 > > 11.04:1 > > 30.04:1 > > 1.49 MPH > > 5.94 MPH > > 14.86 MPH 6.04:1 > > 16.42:1 > > 2.72 MPH > > 10.87 MPH > > 27.17 MPH 4.27:1 > > 11.62:1 > > 3.84 MPH > > 15.37 MPH > > 38.42 MPH 3.35:1 > > 9.1:1 > > 4.9 MPH > > 19.62 MPH > > 49.04 MPH 2.72:1 > > 7.4:1 > > 6.03 MPH > > 24.13 MPH > > 60.32 MPH 2.07:1 > > 5.62:1 > > 7.94 MPH > > 31.75 MPH > > 79.36 MPH > > 1:1 > > 4.06:1 > > 11.04:1 > > 4.04 MPH > > 16.16 MPH > > 40.41 MPH 2.22:1 > > 6.04:1 > > 7.39 MPH > > 29.56 MPH > > 73.9 MPH 1.57:1 > > 4.27:1 > > 10.45 MPH > > 41.8 MPH > > 104.5 MPH 1.23:1 > > 3.35:1 > > 13.34 MPH > > 53.35 MPH > > 133.38 MPH 1:1 > > 2.72:1 > > 16.41 MPH > > 65.62 MPH > > 164.06 MPH 0.76:1 > > 2.07:1 > > 21.59 MPH > > 86.35 MPH > > 215.87 MPH > > > > This section displays the overall ratio (with and without the axle ratio) > for > > each gear. It also displays the vehicle speed at 500, 2000, and 5000 RPM. > This > > gives you an idea about the speed range for each gear, and for each > > range/auxiliary setting. > > --- > Michael E. Shimniok - KC0EKI - Michael.Shimniok-at-usa.net > "For every complex problem, there is a solution that > is simple, neat, and wrong." - H. L. Menken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 20:55:09 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: jeep At 09:50 PM 5/8/01 -0700, Tony Burleson wrote: >--- Tony Burleson >--- burlesons-at-earthlink.net >--- EarthLink: It's your Internet. >John, >As the owner of a1988 Grand Wagoneer I say thanks for your site.Any >suggestions for reviving a tired suspension >and adding a couple of inches in lift?More important,thanks for the >message of ourLord,Jesus Christ! >Tony well, there are several makes of springs for these things... can't think off hand what brands, you could search the FSJ digests on wagoneers.com to look for them. I rebuilt my spring packs with springs from older wagoneers and used add-a-leafs, that works too. :) a set of custom built springs would run about $650... if you're up near seattle, benz springs quoted me that, and with new u-bolts too. :) you're welcome, john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 00:15:10 EDT From: FourXDave-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: 727/400 debate everyone has opinions, right :) i personally prefer 727's to 400's.. Gil Younger (TransGo) has been making shift kits for 20 (30?) years to correct the no-lube/cooler-flow stuff, and in my humble opinion, i would rather rebuild a TorqueFlite ANY DAY over a TurboHydro... i am GM trained, and certified, and a former long time dealership employee, and back in the dark ages i would have told you that Chevy's were the only cars in the entire world.. but work for GM for a couple years, and you will very quickly figure out that the company that built the 69 camaro, and the 57 bel-air is LONG dead and buried... then one of my brothers got this rusted out J10 from a local junkyard... and he got it running, and then i helped him iron some things out, and gosh-darn if that thing didnt wheel better than a LOT of very spendy garbage... i am in the middle of a 6.2/TH700/Dodge 208 swap in the wifey's Grand... and i was so close to getting the AA Torqueflite-to-GM plate..... i just know i need an OD, and i had a good diesel 700 core, but OD T/Q's from diesels are not cheap yet.... anyway, when the 360 in the grand-wagoneer/4-door-pickup-cab tow truck gives up, it gets a 6.2 also... and THAT one will keep the TQ <>< DAB ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 05:33:12 -0000 From: "Scott Phillips" Subject: fsj: Fwd: POLL: MSNBC Poll, Please Vote VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE VOTE ON THIS ONE!!!!! 5/7/01 11:26pm Results were: Retain Clinton era rule in full: 40% Review and revise Clinton era rule: 17% **SCRAP ENTIRE CLINTON ERA RULE: 42%** Can't decide: 1% If we want to keep our access to OUR *public* lands then we need to not only vote on this poll but we need to write our representatives AND an e-mail/snail mail to the white house won't hurt at all either. This isn't just about jeepers, it includes mountain bikers, rock climbers, snowmobilers, ATV'ers, horseback riders/equestrians, hunters, fishers, rock hounds, and yes event he handicaped and families on an outing to enjoy a picknic. Scott Phillips >MSNBC Poll: http://www.msnbc.com/news/568612.asp?bt=prgy > >THE RULE, known as the "roadless" policy, will be kept in place while >revisions are crafted with greater input from local foresters, >officials and interested parties on which areas should be affected, >Agriculture Secretary Ann Veneman told a news conference...... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 10:53:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck2-at-webtv.net (jim blair) Subject: fsj: Re: J truck bed floor A: I wrote and asked about the '84 to '96 bed replacements from one of the sites: From: rigid-at-crocker.com (Daniel Phelps) That would be for a Comanchee. Dan jim blair wrote: Is that for a full size, or a Comanche? ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10 4.6L, O/D auto on LPG, '86 Comanche with AMC 4 cyl, 5 speed http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 13:40:08 -0500 From: bobandkara-at-juno.com Subject: fsj: Help--Rear Brakes Vibration Hi, 1986 GW Just today, I noticed a terrible vibration from the rear end when i apply the brakes firmly. It almost feels like going over a rumble strip! Anyone have any suggestions? Thank you ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 11:25:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck2-at-webtv.net (jim blair) Subject: RE: fsj: 67 J3000 Bed rebuild.... A: I wish I had someone here to take my pics for me so I didn't have to stop working on my Jeep all the time and clean up to take them! Case in point: Day before yesterday I fixed the broken PS and Alt brackets on my 4 cyl '86 Comanche with leftover parts from my J10's 6 cyl (the brackets are identical for non-AC with Vee belts, and I considered using the Alt/AC compressor brackets to add an air pump to my Comanche, but not till it's 4x4! BTW, I scored XJ axles for it to get me a 4x4 fix till Blackie is done!) It would have been informative to 4 cyl and 6 cyl AMC owners (I also added a higher than stock performance GMB waterpump while I was in there. MAJOR difference in cooling flow! Anyone need a good used stock pump? The PS holes need re-threading and helicoil or nuts and bolts to work.) From: "Jay Smellow" Sure wish I had a digital camera to use..   ive completed the Fibrestrand putty work on the inside of the side panels, and roughed in the exterior of two corners. Have 2 outside quarters to rough in and sand down, then the final bondo coats and such to complete. hopefully ill be ready to Prime by Dusk this evening. Jay ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10 4.6L, O/D auto on LPG, '86 Comanche with AMC 4 cyl, 5 speed http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: 8 May 2001 12:30:28 MDT From: Michael Shimniok Subject: Re: [fsj: Re: jeep] FWIW, I spent a lot of time researching different options and I put together a pretty good compendium of options for lifting rigs, reviving tired springs, etc. Options abound in all price ranges. Email me if you want the latest copy. Michael john wrote: > At 09:50 PM 5/8/01 -0700, Tony Burleson wrote: > >--- Tony Burleson > >--- burlesons-at-earthlink.net > >--- EarthLink: It's your Internet. > >John, > >As the owner of a1988 Grand Wagoneer I say thanks for your site.Any > >suggestions for reviving a tired suspension > >and adding a couple of inches in lift?More important,thanks for the > >message of ourLord,Jesus Christ! > >Tony > > well, there are several makes of springs for these things... can't think > off hand what brands, you > could search the FSJ digests on wagoneers.com to look for them. > > I rebuilt my spring packs with springs from older wagoneers and used > add-a-leafs, that works too. :) > > a set of custom built springs would run about $650... if you're up near > seattle, benz springs quoted > me that, and with new u-bolts too. :) > > you're welcome, > john > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > ------------------------------------------------------- - --- Michael E. Shimniok - KC0EKI - Michael.Shimniok-at-usa.net "For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong." - H. L. Menken ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #1311 **************************