From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Thu Jul 19 13:45:58 2001 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Thursday, July 19 2001 Volume 01 : Number 1389 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [Re: fsj: Check Valve Woes] Re: [Re: [Re: fsj: Re: diff covers] ] Re: [fsj: Rez Passes Again] fsj: photopoint fsj: Various wrenching fsj: Re: [FSJ_SE] Hi RJ! Re: fsj: Re: Rez passes again Re: [Re: [Re: fsj: Re: diff covers] fsj: don't touch the y-pipe! fsj: Re: [FSJ_SE] Hi RJ! Re: [Re: [fsj: Rez Passes Again]] Re: fsj: don't touch the y-pipe! fsj: '76 Wagoneer parting out fsj: Re: who are the Jeepers in your neigborhood? (Boston) FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 23:23:10 -0500 From: JeepNut Subject: Re: [Re: fsj: Check Valve Woes] Uhoh,... NOW I gotta know WHY about the Y pipe?? ;) JeepNut Michael Shimniok wrote: > > I agree, try 2.5" pipe. I find 3" opens it up on the highway well, but I > feel > like it sacrifices low end too much (on both my rigs). I have a Magnaflow > muffler on one rig and a Flowmaster on the other. Either are great depending > on how loud you want it. > > Instead of stainless steel, compromise and go with aluminized steel which is > very corrosion resistant and will last much longer than regular steel but is > cheaper than stainless. > > Replace everything AFTER the Y pipe but leave it the heck alone! > > Michael > > "B. C." wrote: > > (ANSWER) What you are looking for is a good cat. back system. You should > go > > with 2.5'' pipe, cat. and muffler. The anemic 2'' system really restricts > your > > rigs ability to breathe. Get a good hi-flow cat, and muffler, designed for > > performance. Flowmaster makes some nice products. Stay away from the > chain > > shops. They use the lowest grade pipe that will not last longer then a > year. > > Stainless steel is your best bet for new pipes; but it is so expense. Any > of > > the catalogs, like Jeggs or JC Whitney can help. Check your local phone > book > > for independent exhaust shops. > > > > By doing this upgrade your loud petal will sound better, and your rig will > feel > > like a new sprint runner, on mountain dew. plus if you can keep the loud > petal > > tuned down, you will see an increase in your fuel economy. > > > > -- > > Until The Next Dimension, > > Admiral "Coluch." > > Starfleet Headquarters > > Ohio Post > > END TRANSMISSION.................................... > > --- > Michael E. Shimniok - KC0EKI - Michael.Shimniok-at-usa.net > "For every complex problem, there is a solution that > is simple, neat, and wrong." - H. L. Menken - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------- '87 Street Comanche #24/100 '88 Grand Wagoneer ...and they say there's only one... '92 Cherokee - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 21:33:35 -0700 From: "seevers" Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: fsj: Re: diff covers] ] I believe the 727 vent is inside the bellhousing on the pump body or whatever that thing is that bolt onto the front of the transmission with the input shaft sticking out. Anyway, there is a small hole in the upper part. Unfortunately, it looks very dificult to put any kind of hose on it at all. Several people on the list long ago were successfull in filling their 727s up with enough water to ruin the friction material. - -brad > Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) wrote: > > A: The 727 vent is on top, and usually your feet would be very wet > > before it gets inside the trans! I have mine tied into the transfercase > > breather, and the new AW4 breather will be going there too! > > Err.... where? The only thing I saw resembling a vent was a short slit above > the front pump b/w the pump and the case. Couldn't find anything on the top > of the case at all! Would be nice to send a hose up higher. I'd have to say > the tranny is the device I'd most like to keep dry. :) > > Michael ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 23:39:52 -0500 From: JeepNut Subject: Re: [fsj: Rez Passes Again] I like clean air too, but man this seems so stupid that it would be hard to blame folks for trying like heck to get around it... They are encouraging people by the ignorance of it all. How many states have these facists at work? Anyone have a list? Is this for ALL locales in Illinois Vince? Statewide? How about Colorado? I know California has a tight one statewide since I USED to live there (picture me crying, missing the Monterey Bay and San Lorenzo River valley)... Got me curious now. They have an inspection in Shelby county but only within the city limits of Memphis. Anybody with an old car just uses an address of someone they know out in the county. Since everyone is "related" it makes it the normal course of business to operate this way. They do the same thing with the schools. If you don't want your kids to go to the old crummy elementary (where my kids have to go-I don't have any relatives down here thankfully) then you just use a relative's address for registering and drive your kids to school rather than have them ride the bus. Then you can have your kids go to the nice new school which has air conditioning and computers, etc. Deceit and deception. It's the Southern way AFAICT. JeepNut - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------- '87 Street Comanche #24/100 '88 Grand Wagoneer ...and they say there's only one... '92 Cherokee - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 01:45:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: fsj: photopoint From :  ceo-at-newsletter.photopoint.com  Subject :  Pantellic acquires PhotoPoint.com  Date :  Thu, 19 Jul 2001 00:59:33 -0300 (ADT) Please note, this email is being sent to inform you about important news at PhotoPoint.com. Even if you have opted out of promotional messages, we are required to contact you regarding this important change.  July 18th, 2001 Dear Members, I am very pleased to announce some exciting changes at PhotoPoint.com. Many people have expressed fears about the future of PhotoPoint.com in light of the many closures, layoffs, and changes that are occurring at other photo sites. The recent changes at PhotoPoint.com ensure a long and stable future for the site and your photos. Until now, PhotoPoint.com has been owned and managed by PhotoPoint Corp (USA), but developed and maintained by Pantellic Software Inc. Pantellic was the original creator of the site, and back in 1999, sold the intellectual property of the site to PhotoPoint Corp. Pantellic Software is proud to announce that on July 17th, we re-acquired the rights to the site, allowing us to continue to develop and maintain the site as we have been, but also letting us set the future direction, based upon our daily contact with the membership. You can view our press release at: http://www.photopoint.com/aboutus/press/07-17-01.html I would like to apologize for any uncertainty that our members may have experienced during the transition of ownership. Your photos, albums, and memberships were never at any risk of loss. The safety and integrity of our members' photos has always been, and will continue to be, our number one priority. We understand how important your photos are to you. We want to assure our members that we will honour all existing paid memberships and trial accounts. In addition, in appreciation of your patience and loyalty during this period of uncertainty, we will be extending the term of existing paid memberships by two months. In the future, we plan to make the site even better. We know the success of the site hinges on the satisfaction of you, the members of PhotoPoint. We will be counting on your comments and suggestions about our features and services to help us make the right changes and enhancements to the site. We would encourage members to send any constructive feedback or suggestions to suggestions-at-photopoint.com. I apologize for our delays in communicating these events of the past week to you. As you can appreciate, the transition of ownership has been very hectic for us, and during private negotiations, one's ability to make public statements can be limited. I want to personally thank you for your loyalty. All of us in the Pantellic Family look forward to continuing to make PhotoPoint.com the greatest and safest place in the world to store and share your photos. Sincerely, Dale Gass CEO, Pantellic Software, Inc. ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10, '86 Comanche http://www.geocities.com/eaglemania2002/ http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998 ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:27:59 -0500 From: Landon Tesar Subject: fsj: Various wrenching Hi, I have been at work on the Wag. She is now running VERY well. The way a low compression American V-8 should run. Calm, smooth, easy to start, crisp shifts.... I fixed the exhaust leak in the heat riser. AMC made these things properly, with bushings on the shaft. One of the bushings fell out somewhere and thus caused the leak. I removed the shaft/flap, found a couple short bolts approximating the holes for the shaft and JB welded them in place. Not particularly proud of this, but that flap presents quite a profile and really obstructs the exhaust stream. Getting the exhaust manifold back on was a real pain, as the holes in the head seem to 'stretch' to the outside of the holes in the manifold. I must've tightened and untightened 4-5 times before I got the right combination. I had to assemble to the lower exhaust first, which is quite rigid, compounding the problem. Also - nasty job - replaced the transmission mount. I've never removed a crossmember before, so this was a bit of a leap of faith. I found what looks like a good trans mount at a transmission supply store for ~$6.50. The old one was bad, and one of the bolts had completely backed out. Make sure your trans is lifted high enough that you are not rocking the crossmember on it when trying to put the crossmember back. Probably best to leave all the bolts a little loose until everything is assembled, to allow the transmission to center itself (via the play in the mount to crossmember holes) Don't just crank down on the mount before attaching the transmission or you may misalign the drivetrain. Geez it was messy. I still have grease, mud, trans fluid blobs on my driveway. I don't know how anyone could do that job on a dirt shop floor. It was bad enough on concrete. But the clunking in the drivetrain has been diminished, I don't feel the whole thing shifting on takeoffs anymore, shifts are crisper, and vibration at highway speeds is reduced. GOOD DEAL! Now it's on to a new A/C compressor, wheel cylinders, and maybe a mild camshaft UPgrade. Anyone put in a mild cam change with stock manifold, carb, and exhaust with good results ? - - Landon '89 GW Austin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:50:15 -0500 From: "R.J. Baynum" Subject: fsj: Re: [FSJ_SE] Hi RJ! I feel the same way, it was great meeting you too! Okay, now about this lube idea of mine.. What about the others.. say.. prolong or Duralube. or anything like that? And how do they do it with the the oil pan off in a running motor? Maybe I watch way to much T.V...eh? Thanks .. R.J. ku4fl-at-hotmail.com wrote: > > Nice meeting you today. The posts about Slick 50 etc. are > interesting. Something that was not mentioned and may be of interest, > is that the manufacturer of Slick 50 was ordered by the court to > cease and desist any and all claims of improved fuel mileage and > engine longevity. Not saying it won't do it, you understand; only > pointing out that the "gummint" won't let them say it anymore. > Tracy > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > FSJ_SE-unsubscribe-at-egroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 10:06:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck2-at-webtv.net (jim blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Rez passes again A: I still remember taking Elmo (my '83 Cherokee 4.2L) through and being accused of swapping titles because "there were no big Jeeps with 6 cyls, only 2.8L V6s! LOL! From: Landon Tesar I'm sure you were dealing with the world's authority on M-715s. Good grief. Trying to find the logic in that is an exercise in futility. So what's the point even if you had ? - - - L David Charles Gedraitis wrote: I remember they accused me of having taken the backup lights off of my M-715. Never had 'em-I brought one of the original books in and shoed them pictures-finally convinced them. ~dave On Wed, 18 Jul 2001, Landon Tesar wrote: Hilarious! People who are not ready to learn and admit they may just possibly not know everything....Amazing. - - L ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10, '86 Comanche http://www.geocities.com/eaglemania2002/ http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998 ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 10:16:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck2-at-webtv.net (jim blair) Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: fsj: Re: diff covers] A: Once I can get back in Photopoint, I'll point it out in the 727 pics I have. From: Michael Shimniok Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) wrote: A: The 727 vent is on top, and usually your feet would be very wet before it gets inside the trans! I have mine tied into the transfercase breather, and the new AW4 breather will be going there too! Err.... where? The only thing I saw resembling a vent was a short slit above the front pump b/w the pump and the case. Couldn't find anything on the top of the case at all! Would be nice to send a hose up higher. I'd have to say the tranny is the device I'd most like to keep dry. :) Michael ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10, '86 Comanche http://www.geocities.com/eaglemania2002/ http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998 ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: 19 Jul 2001 11:27:15 MDT From: Michael Shimniok Subject: fsj: don't touch the y-pipe! When I had a shop do up a custom 3" system for me, they hacked off the stock tubes just below the manifolds and welded 3" tube to 'em and ran 'em down to a very poorly made y-pipe below, complete with clearance problems, sloppy joints, unnecessary bends, etc. It is a holy mess under there. Makes me sick esp given how much I paid for the whole setup. I have been told 'it doesn't matter' but as bad as some of the sections are, and as detrimental as turbulence is supposed to be, I can't help but wonder how much power gets robbed in this jacked up home made y pipe they slung together. My plan is to pull a decent y-pipe out of the junkyard and graft it in (now that I have a mig welder). The stock y-pipe is not easy to duplicate properly and anyway I don't believe you need more than 2" pipe coming off each bank of the motor. My other truck has a 3" system from just behind the Y pipe back and it is a beautiful job and the system works very nicely. Unless the original pipes are really jacked, or unless you can find a factory-built Y-pipe, I'd leave 'em alone. Michael JeepNut wrote: > Uhoh,... > NOW I gotta know WHY about the Y pipe?? ;) > JeepNut - --- Michael E. Shimniok - KC0EKI - Michael.Shimniok-at-usa.net "For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong." - H. L. Menken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 12:34:13 -0500 From: "R.J. Baynum" Subject: fsj: Re: [FSJ_SE] Hi RJ! Oh!,.. and thanks for showing me your Jeep collection! (I saw him yesterday checking out a possible trial, and gave him a flyer.. and he invited me to see his collection of Jeeps.. Reminds me alot of Jim Blair and John M. all rolled into one.... He has a Cherokee, sort of like John M. old one. plus a Commando, a 53 Willys wagon, a CJ7? a GW, a XJ, a WJ? a old Chevy 20, Pick-up, RV's and is a HAM radio operator. A really Nice Guy! Hopefully he will join the national lists as well.. R.J. 80 J-10 Honcho Huntsville AL. This is the link for 2002, http://www.cfsja.org/2002/ plus check out.. http://www.wagoneers.com "R.J. Baynum" wrote: > > I feel the same way, it was great meeting you too! > Okay, now about this lube idea of mine.. > > What about the others.. say.. prolong or Duralube. or anything like that? > And how do they do it with the the oil pan off in a running motor? Maybe I watch > way to much T.V...eh? > > Thanks .. > > R.J. > > ku4fl-at-hotmail.com wrote: > > > > Nice meeting you today. The posts about Slick 50 etc. are > > interesting. Something that was not mentioned and may be of interest, > > is that the manufacturer of Slick 50 was ordered by the court to > > cease and desist any and all claims of improved fuel mileage and > > engine longevity. Not saying it won't do it, you understand; only > > pointing out that the "gummint" won't let them say it anymore. > > Tracy > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > FSJ_SE-unsubscribe-at-egroups.com > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > FSJ_SE-unsubscribe-at-egroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ------------------------------ Date: 19 Jul 2001 11:30:40 MDT From: Michael Shimniok Subject: Re: [Re: [fsj: Rez Passes Again]] In CO it only applies to the big metro areas. If you live and work outside the big metro areas, you don't have to be tested. And the fascist testing only applies to rigs newer than, I think 82 or 83 or something. The older rigs are tested at idle (by mom-n-pop garages not EnviroTest) which is much easier to pass than the dyno test. One argument for having an older rig. Those that are 25+ years old are tested once and then never again unless sold. Testing happens every 3 years. Michael JeepNut wrote: > I like clean air too, but man this seems so stupid that it would be hard to > blame folks for trying like heck to get around it... They are encouraging > people by the ignorance of it all. > How many states have these facists at work? Anyone have a list? > Is this for ALL locales in Illinois Vince? Statewide? > How about Colorado? - --- Michael E. Shimniok - KC0EKI - Michael.Shimniok-at-usa.net "For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong." - H. L. Menken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 12:46:06 -0500 From: "R.J. Baynum" Subject: Re: fsj: don't touch the y-pipe! I always thought with a V8,.. that the factory should have made it with Duel exhausts? that makes sense.. Why did they make it a Y anyway? just a thought.. R.J. Michael Shimniok wrote: > > When I had a shop do up a custom 3" system for me, they hacked off the stock > tubes just below the manifolds and welded 3" tube to 'em and ran 'em down to > a > very poorly made y-pipe below, complete with clearance problems, sloppy > joints, unnecessary bends, etc. It is a holy mess under there. Makes me > sick > esp given how much I paid for the whole setup. > > I have been told 'it doesn't matter' but as bad as some of the sections are, > and as detrimental as turbulence is supposed to be, I can't help but wonder > how much power gets robbed in this jacked up home made y pipe they slung > together. My plan is to pull a decent y-pipe out of the junkyard and graft > it > in (now that I have a mig welder). > > The stock y-pipe is not easy to duplicate properly and anyway I don't believe > you need more than 2" pipe coming off each bank of the motor. My other truck > has a 3" system from just behind the Y pipe back and it is a beautiful job > and > the system works very nicely. Unless the original pipes are really jacked, > or > unless you can find a factory-built Y-pipe, I'd leave 'em alone. > > Michael > > JeepNut wrote: > > Uhoh,... > > NOW I gotta know WHY about the Y pipe?? ;) > > JeepNut > > --- > Michael E. Shimniok - KC0EKI - Michael.Shimniok-at-usa.net > "For every complex problem, there is a solution that > is simple, neat, and wrong." - H. L. Menken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 12:18:57 -0700 From: "Phillips, Scott" Subject: fsj: '76 Wagoneer parting out Hey guys, I've got to bite the bullet on the '76 Wagoneer that I bought. Originally I was going to restore it but there is just too much rust cancer for me to deal with. I've decided to part it out. The Wag was last registered in '97 (the guy I bought it from just had it sitting around). I've got the original smog report and it was a clean running 401. I've also got the TH400 and the BW1339 Quadratrac transfercase. The Quadratrac is in good condition and would make for a good spare since these things are expen$ive to repair or replace. It's also got Dana 44's front and rear. The front 44 is a passanger side drop and would be a good swap cantidate for a CJ. The rear 44 is offset to the passangerside as well and would be a good swap for an MB or a CJ using the Dana18 case. The body is crap but the class is good as is the original interior (Black). I just bought a new plastic gas tank to replace the rusty metal one. It's not installed and is still unopened. Cost me $220. The tailgate is pretty rusty but the crank mechinism works pretty good and I've got a spare rear window. I have access to 4 doors, blue in color that are in fair condition (surface rust but nothing too major). If you have any questions you can call me on my cellphone at: 801-232-4555 Or e-mail me at: scott.phillips-at-attws.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 12:23:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: fsj: Re: who are the Jeepers in your neigborhood? (Boston) A: I tried to hook up Don to Mike (in the same area) but the email didn't get through for some reason. Don is the resident PITA on the 1FSJ list and once again refugee from.. uhh.. lighting Doc's fuse! LOL! From: fixxa-at-beld.net (Don Hansen) Jimbo, I tried to reply to this guy at the address you supplied but it came back undeliverable... Is he on one of the lists? I'm not on FSJ anymore...its a(nother) Doc thing... Don PS Weren't you heading out this way sometime this summer? Maybe we could get together and you can show mw how to drop a car on my head? Never have earthquakes, so a little improv might be necessary! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Blair" To: "Don Hansen" Re: fsj: '90 GW emissions check valves (AIRS System)? From: mike-at-tangledroots.com (Michael Powell) Howdy, my name is Mike and I own a 1990 Grand Wagoneer and live in Boston, MA. This is my first time on the Full Size Jeep list. I would appreciate it if anybody out there with experience with Grand Wagoneers could give me a little help. The '90 GW has an AIRS emissions system that uses a belt driven fan to blow fresh air into the exhaust manifold through a couple of check valves. The check valves on my jeep are blown. The plastic tee that connects the rubber hoses from the check valves to the air bypass/control valve melted down and the rubber hose is also heat damaged. I can feel some exhaust blowing back up through the check valve on the driver's side. Of course the valves, tee, and hoses needs to be replaced. But my real question is could the bad check valves cause intermittent problems with acceleration and loss of power at highway speeds? I recently drove 1200 miles from Boston to Wisconsin. I had no problems on the way there. But on the way back I noticed that every once and a while when I was going about 65 and tried to pass another car the acceleration would lurch from full power to a 30% loss in power. If I backed off on the accelerator and slowed down to 55 and then gradually increased the accelerator I could get back up to full engine power again. This problem progressively worsened so that recently when I was driving after about 90 miles the problem came back but this time I couldn't get back to full power at all. And I smelled a bad odor coming from the motor. I immediately pulled over and noticed that the check valve on the driver's side was obviously fried. I think the bad odor may simply have been exhaust through the check valve combined with the melting plastic tee and rubber hoses. My plan was to swap out the check valves, hoses, and tee on my own to save money and see if this solves my problem with engine power. Does anyone else out there have experience with problems like this? Could a bad exhaust system (maybe catalytic converter) cause high pressures in the exhaust manifold and cause the check valves to give out as well as the intermittent power loss? Perhaps there is another explanation for the power loss, like a dirty or out of adjustment carburetor? I am also trying to find the best (and reasonably priced) Grand Wagoneer mechanic within 100 miles of Boston. Does anyone have advice on this? Thanks a lot in advance, Mike '90 GW ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10, '86 Comanche http://www.geocities.com/eaglemania2002/ http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998 ************************************** ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #1389 **************************