From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Tue Jul 31 09:39:55 2001 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Monday, July 30 2001 Volume 01 : Number 1402 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: FSJ library... RE: fsj: 1/2, 3/4, 1 ton? fsj: New Waggy Owner - New to list Re: fsj: New Waggy Owner - New to list RE: fsj: New Waggy Owner - New to list fsj: '90GW Throttle Valve Linkage Re: fsj: '90GW Throttle Valve Linkage fsj: RE: More CJ-10 Info fsj: FS: '76 Chero - low miles - NJ fsj: more goodies fsj: missing Colorado off-roader FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 00:15:24 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: FSJ library... My library in preparation of the FSJ book: 2 60s J-series, 76, 77, 79, 80, 81, 82, 82 sup(83), MR253, MR244, 84 and up, haynes, chilton, etc. Std Catalog of 4x4's and American Motors, 50 year Jeep history, The story of Jeep, Jeep buyers guide, off-roaders handbook, jeep bible, blah, blah... :) and of course you can't see the entire set of WJ manuals (1999, over $130!!! worth) http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/johns-reference-books.jpg does anyone know if they published a 1983 service manual? Does anyone have one? I'd be willing to trade one of my manuals for it. I noticed I have a large Chiltons for Imports, 1978-1985, looks like ebay material to me... ;) Also have a 1969 Chiltons... almost said ebay and then I remembered that my son has a '67 Fairlane, and lookie there, all the specs for it... hmmm... .guess I should keep this one. :) Wow, it even has some Jeep stuff... :) cool. Forgotten all about this. Hey, here's another one I forgot about, a 1961 SAE Handbook, I wonder what that might be worth, any ideas??? john - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 08:57:54 -0400 (EDT) From: David Charles Gedraitis Subject: RE: fsj: 1/2, 3/4, 1 ton? I don't know about the others, but that's right for an M-715 (I have yet to make the springs in that thing move an inch). ~dave On Sat, 28 Jul 2001 mpolkkidodge-at-netscape.net wrote: > Wags are 1/2T > > J10's are 1/2T > > J20's are 3/4T > > M-715 I think are 1 1/2 T > > > > > > > > Michael Shimniok wrote: > > >Ok, apparently some brain cells died in the last few months, cuz I thought > >I had this figured out. I guess not. Explain to me again, someone, what > >the weight ratings are for various FSJs. > > > >Wagoneers are... what, 1/2 ton, 3/4 ton? > >J10's...? > >J20's ? > >and lastly, M-715's? > > > >For sake of reference, what running gear does it take to achieve 1/2, 3/4, > >and 1 ton in a Chevy, Ford, or Dodge pickup? What about over 1 ton? > > > >What is the GVWR for a Wagoneer, J10, J20, M-715? If a Wagoneer weighs > >about 4500#, and the GVWR on it is 6000# then that makes it able to carry > >an addition 1500#, making it 3/4 ton... right? If it were 1/2 ton, the > >GVWR would be 5500#. > > > >So confused... > > > >M > > > >--- > >Michael E. Shimniok - KC0EKI - Michael.Shimniok-at-usa.net > > "For every complex problem, there is a solution that > > is simple, neat, and wrong." - H. L. Menken > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop-at-Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ > > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 08:47:00 -0600 From: "Daniel Beiers" Subject: fsj: New Waggy Owner - New to list Hey Guys My name is Dan and I just purchased an 85 Grand Wagoneer. This jeep will be my new daily driver (40 miles per week:) and also a tow rig for my 86 CJ for shorter trips. It will probably see mild trail use as my CJ is built for the more extreme trails. I have a few questions for you regarding my new ride: 1. Can it be shifted into low range without first being in four wheel drive? kinda like a twin-stick setup - 2 wheel low. The reason I ask is because when I moved the switch from 2wd to 4wd in my new truck there was no indicator light to say I was in 4wd. But I was able to shift into low range. What do you think? 2. How does the slide switch on the dash actually engage the tcase and shift into 4wd? Is it an electric motor or vacuum or what? 3. What about the front axle. I looked for vacuum tubes to it but didn't think I saw any. I will look closer but I am thinking the front hubs are essentially locked at all time, is this correct. 4. Can I replace the hubs with manually locking hubs? Can I do it if its a vacuum actuated unit. Can I disconnect the vacuum setup and basically permanently have it in the locked position and then add manually locking hubs? Not sure how it all works so excuse me if this is ridiculous. 5. I'm taking it in for a hitch this week. Wondering if I need to look at the rear springs and shocks for towing. maybe an add-a-leaf and some heavier shocks? Any recommendations. 6. What is the biggest tire I can safely run with no lift on this thing? It looks like a 30" tire might be pushing it. Thought some of you might like this. I bought this thing from the first owner. He has the originally window stickers for this truck as well as the color dealership pamphlet. Totally cool stuff. Sticker price in 85 was 23,747 with high country package. Cool stuff :) Anyway... Thanks a lot folks Looking forward to being apart of the FSJ community Dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 09:31:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Alexander Wall Subject: Re: fsj: New Waggy Owner - New to list > 1. Can it be shifted into low range without first being in four wheel drive? No, the t-case has 3 shifts: 2-hi, 4-hi, 4-lo > > 2. How does the slide switch on the dash actually engage the tcase and shift > into 4wd? It has a vacuum motor that moves the t-case shift control. > > 3. What about the front axle. I looked for vacuum tubes to it but didn't > think I saw any. I will look closer but I am thinking the front hubs are > essentially locked at all time, is this correct. If there is no vacuum control, and no locking hubs, then it is full-time. > > 4. Can I replace the hubs with manually locking hubs? Can I do it if its a > vacuum actuated unit. Can I disconnect the vacuum setup and basically > permanently have it in the locked position and then add manually locking > hubs? Yes, you can put locking hubs in. Yes you can disconnect a vacuum setup for full-time. I don't know about the last one. > > 5. I'm taking it in for a hitch this week. Wondering if I need to look at > the rear springs and shocks for towing. maybe an add-a-leaf and some > heavier shocks? Any recommendations. Both of those will give you a towing improvement. The rear springs on these babies are notorious for sagging, which doesn't help when towing. > > 6. What is the biggest tire I can safely run with no lift on this thing? It > looks like a 30" tire might be pushing it. I run 31x11.50s (Thanks, Jim), but they do rub under articulation of any signinficance. ===== Alexander Wall Spokane, WA ================================================================================= "Where there's a will, there's a way." - Eliza Cook "Where there's a way, there's a construction crew disrupting traffic!" - Alex Wall ================================================================================= Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 10:48:28 -0600 From: "Daniel Beiers" Subject: RE: fsj: New Waggy Owner - New to list Alexander, Perfect man, thanks so much! I can tell I am going to like this list and having this Jeep. So if I had it in low range than I had in 4 Wheel Drive...good to know! I would rather have the indicator light out than the 4wd not working :) Thanks again, Dan Buying his first square-light Jeep:) > -----Original Message----- > From: Alexander Wall [mailto:alxndr13-at-yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 10:31 AM > To: Daniel Beiers; FSJ Digest > Subject: Re: fsj: New Waggy Owner - New to list > > > > > > 1. Can it be shifted into low range without first being in > four wheel drive? > > No, the t-case has 3 shifts: 2-hi, 4-hi, 4-lo > > > > > 2. How does the slide switch on the dash actually engage > the tcase and shift > > into 4wd? > > It has a vacuum motor that moves the t-case shift control. > > > > > 3. What about the front axle. I looked for vacuum tubes to > it but didn't > > think I saw any. I will look closer but I am thinking the > front hubs are > > essentially locked at all time, is this correct. > > If there is no vacuum control, and no locking hubs, then it > is full-time. > > > > > 4. Can I replace the hubs with manually locking hubs? Can > I do it if its a > > vacuum actuated unit. Can I disconnect the vacuum setup > and basically > > permanently have it in the locked position and then add > manually locking > > hubs? > > Yes, you can put locking hubs in. Yes you can disconnect a > vacuum setup for > full-time. I don't know about the last one. > > > > > 5. I'm taking it in for a hitch this week. Wondering if I > need to look at > > the rear springs and shocks for towing. maybe an > add-a-leaf and some > > heavier shocks? Any recommendations. > > Both of those will give you a towing improvement. The rear > springs on these babies > are notorious for sagging, which doesn't help when towing. > > > > > 6. What is the biggest tire I can safely run with no lift > on this thing? It > > looks like a 30" tire might be pushing it. > > I run 31x11.50s (Thanks, Jim), but they do rub under > articulation of any > signinficance. > > > ===== > Alexander Wall > Spokane, WA > ============================================================== > =================== > "Where there's a will, there's a way." - Eliza Cook > "Where there's a way, there's a construction crew disrupting > traffic!" - Alex Wall > ============================================================== > =================== > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with > Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 13:57:26 -0400 From: mike-at-tangledroots.com (Michael Powell) Subject: fsj: '90GW Throttle Valve Linkage Hey folks, Can somebody tell me the best way to adjust the throttle valve linkage on a '90 GW? As I move the bellcrank lever by hand I can feel a range of motion where there isn't much resistance. Then if I move it far enough toward the front of the car I can feel a point at which there is more resistance, like it is now actually pulling on something inside the transmission. When I first set the TV linkage I pulled the connection tighter so that at the idle position on the throttle the bellcrank lever was just at the point where I started to feel resistance. Then I test drove the car and found that it had to wind up to a really high rpm before it would switch gears. Obviously, I had set the linkage wrong. How should I set it? Should the bell crank lever only be pulled into the range with resistance when the pedal is floored? I'm confused. Thanks! Mike Powell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 15:09:15 -0400 From: mike-at-tangledroots.com (Michael Powell) Subject: Re: fsj: '90GW Throttle Valve Linkage On the driver's side of the carb there's a linkage between the throttle lever and a bigger black bell crank lever arm at the rear of the engine compartment. The bigger lever is connected all the way back to the transmission itself at a point just above the pan on the driver's side. On the throttle linkage there is a little nylon guide that travels in wire loop with a couple of springs that hold it in position. There is a 3/8" hex adjusting bolt. You can set the distance from the nylon guide to the bell crank lever by loosening this bolt. As you push down on the accelerator the throttle linkage pulls on the bell crank lever and it affects at what RPM level the transmission will shift. This lever is responsible for making the transmission downshift (go into overdrive) when the pedal is floored. This is just about everything I know on the subject. Check a Haynes manual or the original Jeep service manual for pictures and the adjustment procedure. You can get the original Jeep factory service manual for around $50 by calling Chrysler publications 800 number. I don't have the number with me right now but a dealer can provide this info. Best, Mike Alexander Wall wrote: > Mike, > > Can you explain the procedure involved in what you did with your throttle valve? I > want to raise the RPM level for shifting on mine, but I don't even know where that > linkage is! Right now, it shifts WAY too early. > > Thanks! > > ===== > Alexander Wall > Spokane, WA > ================================================================================= > "Where there's a will, there's a way." - Eliza Cook > "Where there's a way, there's a construction crew disrupting traffic!" - Alex Wall > ================================================================================= > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 12:31:25 -0700 From: "Phillips, Scott" Subject: fsj: RE: More CJ-10 Info I found one for sale in Venezuela... Wend llanero Jeep II Placed the 6/12/01 11:23:59 A.m. Content of the Warning Llanero Wend jeep II in perfect new motor state new rubbers. this turkey. Information of the Contact Address: Caracas, DF Contact: Revel Robert Telephone: 2778205 Price: Bs. 5000000 To return to Warnings Lehi - ----- Original Message ----- From: Phillips, Scott To: 'jeep-slc-at-circle17.com' Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 2:42 PM Subject: [Jeep-SLC] More CJ-10 Info From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: fsj: Re: Diesel Jeep tug (Was CJ-10 Info...) From: john < john-at-wagoneers.com > At 12:36 AM 7/23/01 -0400, BlackBox95-at-aol.com wrote: >>Those tugs are actually called CJ-10a Flightline Tow tractors. Most are 2wd w/ a D70 rear. The diesel is a 6 Cyl 3.3L The 208 tcase is maily for gear >>reduction .I have one in Vermont as a work rig on my land...... i have a second one that im bringing to Toledo from Alabama for parts on a CJ-10 1Ton pickup resto. The Pickups were a rare run, shipped to australia only for civilan use. They were built at AM Gen in Indiana (250 of them), then another 300 by someone in Mexico (VAM motors?). A: The CJ10 design was farmed out to VAM, and they built a bunch of pickups and nearly FSJ sized rigs called Llanero (which I wouldn't mind owning. So far all I have is a rear 1/4 view I can't even print because it's just a "ghost in my machine") > http://www.wagoneers.com/JEEPS/CJ10-Aussie-Jeep/ see pages links from that page... hey, looky at the specs: 258 amc motor or the Nissan 6 cylinder! http://www.wagoneers.com/JEEPS/CJ10-Aussie-Jeep/CJ10-4.jpg >>The remaiing parts were used to build the Military Tugs in Mexico during 84-86. id be interested in seeing pics of the backwards mounted cab units that James Blair mentioned from CFB. Any ideas? Justin >what, about Jim? not sure about the backward cabs... most likely a special Dodge unit unique to the Canadian forces... kind of like Dudley Dooright's horse riding style... ;) rofl... sorry... couldn't help myself... A: Uh, yeah, kinda like your side-saddle, 1st Airborne huh? (Not meant as a poke at the Airborne, just John's short sightedness! LOL!) Hey John, c'mon down to BOEING (whom John once worked for) in Renton, and I'll show you some of the reversed cab rigs they use down here (not CJ10s though. I forget if they are Chev or Ford) I think I just figured out why the cabs are backwards! They use these ones to pull seaplanes out of the water! They were used on the Chilliwack/Cultus lakes and Fraser/ Chilliwack/Vedder rivers! [demime 0.97b removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of jeep2.jpg] [demime 0.97b removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of jeeporg.jpg] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 15:54:34 -0700 From: "Phillips, Scott" Subject: fsj: FS: '76 Chero - low miles - NJ Forwarding for a friend: From: "Ed Tapanes" Relatively low mileage 1976 AMC Jeep Cherokee in exceptional condition for an outrageously low starting bid... :-) http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=593814596 Located in Bergen County, NJ. Please pass this on to whatever lists/people you think may find this of interest. Later, Ed T. edt-at-jeepland.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 17:29:35 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: more goodies I just put the 1961 SAE Handbook, and the Chilton's 1985 Import Car Repair Manual, along with assorted XJ and FSJ parts up on ebay... http://cgi6.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=dieseljohn john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux ** (plain text please!) ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 20:02:22 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: missing Colorado off-roader Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 21:29:58 EDT From: GadgetDan1-at-aol.com Subject: xj: Motorcycle rally rider missing in Colorado Hey folks, we've got a life-and-death situation that we could use some help with. There was a motorcycle rally that ran this past weekend, and there is a rider missing. He didn't check in, and is known for taking aggressive routes on his BMW, which is a dual-sport GS model. The rally base route info. is below. He would most likely be close to the base route, or on a spur to one of the bonus locations listed in the message below. We're worried that he is off the road and injured. Any assistance you can provide in searching will not be refused. Contact the Montrose, CO Police Department if you are available to help in the search. | Subject: LDRider: TATT Emergency | Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 08:04:39 -0700 | From: "Holly Newman"