From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Thu Aug 2 10:45:03 2001 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Thursday, August 2 2001 Volume 01 : Number 1407 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: Full sized wagoneers fsj: Re: fsj-digest V1 #1406 fsj: semi-off topic for sale fsj: chris caught a virus... fsj: Re: AMC trucks, the early years fsj: Fwd: jeep stuff for sale fsj: RE: Full sized wagoneers Re: fsj: Full sized wagoneers Re: fsj: chris caught a virus... fsj: I hate drum brakes... fsj: Heat riser fsj: John plugs a V-8? fsj: Sircam Virus? Re: fsj: firefighters killed by sociofascists (liberals) Re: fsj: Another enviro caused catastrophy fsj: all I know... Re: fsj: response to sociofascist pap fsj: Re: fsj-digest V1 #1406 Re: fsj: response to sociofascist pap FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 13:52:31 EDT From: Moontanman-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Full sized wagoneers Does anyone know what is the largest size tires I can put on a FSJ Wagoneer? Moontanman Veteran of a Thousand Physic wars ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 12:11:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: fsj: Re: fsj-digest V1 #1406 A: Whoa! Where did that come from? Environmentalists don't usually start fires (I believe the news said it was a drunk camper?), and you can bet your boots the fire fighters out there are about as caring about the woods and wilds as you can get! The deaths were caused by politics, which comes from the latin word "poli" meaning many, and "tics" which as everyone knows are near zero intelligence blood suckers! My Jeep will be about as environmentally friendly as an internal combustion engine can get! LPG is very clean, and the electric auxilliary motor will boost my fuel economy up close to 30 mpg hwy with the hybrid drive. Many people think I'm crazy (what else is new?) for doing this to an old Jeep, but it's what I want to drive, and who cares what anyone else thinks. Scott Phillips, This disgusts me! The fact that human life has become so cheap. You sure as hell can bet that there were no "Environmentalists" out there helping to fight that fire! No siree they were all at home in their MAN MADE houses, cooled by their FOSSLE FUELED Central airconditioning, using their RESOURCE DEPRIVING, ENERGY CONSUMING computers to talk about how great they are at saving the damn fish and frogs and spotted owls. When was the last time you actually saw a so called "environmentalist" out doing something constructive for the environment? I've yet to see them out picking up garbage, marking trails correctly, FIGHTING FIRES, and all of the other essential and CONSTRUCTIVE activities many "normal" outdoors users are found doing. Scott Phillips ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10, '86 Comanche http://www.geocities.com/eaglemania2002/ http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998 ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 12:02:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeremiah Westpfahl Subject: fsj: semi-off topic for sale Hi Folks. Got one here that I'm not sure if it'll be on topic or not. We have an Auburn(sp?) Trencher attachment off a Military Jeep for sale. It's pretty well self-contained & runs off PTO. I don't know if it came off a Willy's CJ type or a full-size. Seems somewhat large for a little Willys :) Would like to get $1200-$1500 for it. Anyone have or know of a Military Jeep that needs something like this? Miah Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 12:49:06 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: chris caught a virus... chris sutton got the sircam virus... careful not to open any attachments from him... in FSJ news, waiting for scotty's nerf bars... been swappin' email with him on dimensions... still doing the brakes on my WJ and I got my Tonka Jeep Dump truck today. :) john - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 12:52:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: fsj: Re: AMC trucks, the early years Re: AMC trucks, the early years    From: Frank Swygert The only info I have is the TOTAL number of all Jeeps made each year. Info up to 1975 comes from the 1976 edition of "The American motors Family Album", printed by AMC. 1976-1980 figures are reported calendar year sales from "Ward's Automotive Reports", a trade publication that reports figures received from all manufacturers. 1981 and later figures are from an official AMC/Jeep/Renault publication, "1987 Almanac, US Market Data, Vehicle Distribution 74814" 1955 - 48,226 (plus 37,289 cars, last year for Willys cars in the US) 1956 - ? 1957 - 76,610 1958 - ? 1959 - 114,881 (30,778 were station wagons) 1960 - 130,534 1961 - 132,755 1962 - ? 1963 - 110,457 1964 - 117,729 1965 - 92,366 1966 - 72,223 1967 - 87,952 1968 - 86,198 1969 - 62,027 1970 - 45,805 Production started picking back up steadily to reach 105,833 in 1975. Production peaked at 151,677 in 1979, dropping down to 97,477 in 1980, 66,161 in 81, and 61,815 in 82. Production started picking back up with the intro of the XJ Cherokee in calendar year 1983 -- 69,738 in 83 (no XJ sales in that number, just reflects buyer confidence with the announcement of the new model), 139,396 in 84, 162,447 in 85, 209,842 in 86, and up from there. 1986 is the last year I have any official figures for. - -- Frank Swygert -- Gulfport, MS Publisher, "American Independent Magazine" (AIM) Supporting all AMC related vehicles, 1902-1987 Website: http://home.att.net/~farna/AIM.html Order a subscription via credit card from our website today! ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10, '86 Comanche http://www.geocities.com/eaglemania2002/ http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998 ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 12:58:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: fsj: Fwd: jeep stuff for sale Fwd: jeep stuff for sale A: Not mine! email him direct!    From: johnydonny-at-aol.com I have a 4.0 head form an 89 Cherokee complete with intake exhaust fuel rail and injectors, bought for 4.0 conversion on my eagle then bought complete wagoneer. Also have a NP228 trans case rebuilt by Englewood transmission in December, never installed , $425 rebuild please e-mail off line am located near Dayton ohio. thanks, John ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10, '86 Comanche http://www.geocities.com/eaglemania2002/ http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998 ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 14:15:41 -0600 From: "JC Jones" Subject: fsj: RE: Full sized wagoneers 48" is the largest DOT approved tire size for light trucks. You can put anything from 48" down to around 22" (smaller than that and your diffs will drag on the ground). Now, as far as the largest tire size without a lift or sheet metal modification, I would not go with anything larger than a 31x10.50, and that might be a little tight under articulation so you would be safe with 30x9.50 tires for sure. ================================== JC Jones 79 J-10 "Max" 84 Grand Wagoneer "Eeyore" 86 Cherokee XJ "Junior" http://www.wagoneer.net ================================== - -> -----Original Message----- - -> From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On - -> Behalf Of Moontanman-at-aol.com - -> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 11:53 AM - -> To: fsj-at-digest.net - -> Subject: fsj: Full sized wagoneers - -> - -> - -> Does anyone know what is the largest size tires I can put on - -> a FSJ Wagoneer? - -> - -> Moontanman - -> Veteran of a Thousand Physic wars - -> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 15:29:22 CDT From: Dan Black Subject: Re: fsj: Full sized wagoneers Moontanman-at-aol.com said: {- Does anyone know what is the largest size tires I can put on a FSJ Wagoneer? Somebody answered this with some other questions the other day; might check for more details. But I was thinking about responding then, so I'll do it now. Without a lift, 31x10.5 should work, though they'll rub a bit if you lock the wheel all the way to either side (and if you're going into a parking space and people are nearby, sometimes it scares 'em ;) ). Don't think I ever had them rub during normal street driving (i.e., even at normal 90deg turns at intersections). And to give credit where it's due, I asked that same question early last winter since I needed new tires for my '74, and a couple people told me then about the 31x10.5 size and the bit about them rubbing just a little at full lock. They were exactly right. They even look like they'd rub during normal suspension travel, but surprisingly, they don't. They _might_ if you have severe Wag-sag; mine has little or no sag. Obviously, you can get bigger tires if you have a lift. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- When it rains, why don't sheep shrink? - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 16:52:46 EDT From: RKH911-at-aol.com Subject: Re: fsj: chris caught a virus... In a message dated 8/1/2001 12:51:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time, john-at-wagoneers.com writes: > in FSJ news, waiting for scotty's nerf bars... been swappin' email > with him on dimensions... still doing the brakes on my WJ > and I got my Tonka Jeep Dump truck today. :) > > john It's good to hear news of Scottie again. I was thinking of him yeaterday. Rob Harrison 85 Grand Wagoneer ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 20:48:51 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: I hate drum brakes... I hate drum brakes, even when they're just emergency brakes on a rear wheel disc setup... arghh.. you need three hands to get those little clips in place... http://www.wagoneers.com/WJ/tech/WJ-brakes/ john - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 18:03:35 -0700 From: "Allan Weidenheimer" Subject: fsj: Heat riser When I rebuilt my 360, I had some cracked heads. Oddly, on the same cyl where the passage is that goes back up under the intake. The heat riser forces exhaust to travel that way to heat the carb faster. The machine shop said that's common--the heat riser freezes up/stops working, the extra heat cracks the valve seat and head in the exhaust pocket area. As far as making the crossover pipe fit, I used the original broken heat riser, only there is no valve action anymore...just a shaft running across. I removed the round metal plate. With this solution, you don't have to get a new one, just use a wrecking yard unit. Find a frozen one and get it real cheap. Allan Weidenheimer 87 GW ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 17:56:03 -0700 From: "Allan Weidenheimer" Subject: fsj: John plugs a V-8? > (it is a bummer they deep sixed the 4.0L, it's probably the best engine >ever put in a Jeep.... except maybe this 4.7L Power Tech V8 in the WJ... ;) >... >later, >john John M. plugs a V-8 as 'good'? Never would believe it if I had not seen it myself! Allan Weidenheimer ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 22:23:26 -0700 From: "Allan Weidenheimer" Subject: fsj: Sircam Virus? I suspect that someone on this list has the "Sircam" virus. One way to tell is: 2. It copies itself to C:\Recycled\Sirc32.exe and %System%\Scam32.exe. NOTE: %System% is also a variable. The worm will locate the \System folder (by default this is C:\Windows\System) and copy itself to that location. Please check your system as the attachment this virus sends gets progressively larger, a couple of nights ago I had one that was nearly 4MB! You can download a free tool to kill the virus off at (and read more about it at: http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.sircam.worm-at-mm.html If you receive a message with the text "Hi! How are you? I send you this file in order to have your advice See you later. Thanks" Do not open the attachment, as you will then have the virus also. Once you have it, it will attach one of your files to the existing attachment, and then begin sending itself to people in your address book. Sorry for the off topic post, but lately I spend more time downloading these messages than valid email. Thanks, Allan Weidenheimer ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 22:43:19 -0700 From: Pat Hines Subject: Re: fsj: firefighters killed by sociofascists (liberals) Actually, James, environmentalists start fires all the time, usually to burn down saw mills, lumber yards, and other property of those that they don't like. "Deep Environmentalists" have started fires in state and national forests to burn down houses and campgrounds located within them, man made buildings that frequently can't be rebuilt because of changes in the law after initial construction. The deaths of these young firefighters can be directly laid at the feet of the so-called "deep environmentalists" that use the grossly unconstitutional "Endangered Species Act", a law that has done nothing to help wildlife and has saved not one animal from extinction EVER, as if man would actually want to do such an unnatureal act. The fire fighting helicopter had to await clearance to dip a fire bucket into a river near where the fire was occuring, and could not get permission to violate the habitat of fish that are on the endangered list, even though none of the listed fish in that river are endangered from either a rarity standpoint or nearing extinction in any way. If anyone thinks the Endangered Species Act is about protecting animals, they are dead wrong. The Endangered Species Act is an enabling legislation for folks like "Friends of the Earth" and those sponsoring "The Wildlands Project" that want to eliminate humans from at least 50% of North America. Don't believe me, take a look at http://www.wildlandsproject.org. These people are dangerous sociofascists that are targeting your children and your children's children with starvation and death. They are directly involved with the United Nations International Heritage Treaty enforcement, an abridgement of national sovereignty. And yes, they are attempting to take our trucks away, and places to drive them. See the Wall Street Journal article on "Rural Cleansing". http://www.brianwilson.net/klamoth1.htm Pat James Blair wrote: > > A: Whoa! Where did that come from? Environmentalists don't usually start > fires (I believe the news said it was a drunk camper?), and you can bet > your boots the fire fighters out there are about as caring about the > woods and wilds as you can get! > The deaths were caused by politics, which comes from the latin word > "poli" meaning many, and "tics" which as everyone knows are near zero > intelligence blood suckers! > My Jeep will be about as environmentally friendly as an internal > combustion engine can get! LPG is very clean, and the electric > auxilliary motor will boost my fuel economy up close to 30 mpg hwy with > the hybrid drive. > Many people think I'm crazy (what else is new?) for doing this to an > old Jeep, but it's what I want to drive, and who cares what anyone else > thinks. > > Scott Phillips, > > This disgusts me! > The fact that human life has become so cheap. You sure as hell can bet > that > there were no "Environmentalists" out there helping to fight that fire! > No siree they were all at home in their MAN MADE houses, cooled by their > FOSSLE > FUELED Central airconditioning, using their RESOURCE DEPRIVING, ENERGY > CONSUMING computers to talk about how great they are at saving the damn > fish > and frogs and spotted owls. When was the last time you actually saw a so > called "environmentalist" out doing something constructive for the > environment? I've yet to see them out picking up garbage, marking trails > correctly, FIGHTING FIRES, and all of the other essential and > CONSTRUCTIVE activities many "normal" outdoors users are found doing. > Scott Phillips > > ************************************* > JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10, '86 Comanche > http://www.geocities.com/eaglemania2002/ > http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998 > ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 22:49:36 -0700 From: Pat Hines Subject: Re: fsj: Another enviro caused catastrophy You are absolutely right on the money, Scott. It's my fervent hope that the legislation that was directly responsible for this tragic event, "the Endangered Species Act", can be repealed. If it can, then the deaths of these young firefighters will not have been in vain. Pat Hines "Phillips, Scott" wrote: > > This disgusts me! > The fact that human life has become so cheap. You sure as hell can bet that > there were no "Environmentalists" out there helping to fight that fire! No > siree they were all at home in their MAN MADE houses, cooled by their FOSSLE > FUELED Central airconditioning, using their RESOURCE DEPRIVING, ENERGY > CONSUMING computers to talk about how great they are at saving the damn fish > and frogs and spotted owls. When was the last time you actually saw a so > called "environmentalist" out doing something constructive for the > environment? I've yet to see them out picking up garbage, marking trails > correctly, FIGHTING FIRES, and all of the other essential and CONSTRUCTIVE > activities many "normal" outdoors users are found doing. > Scott Phillips > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bart JACOBS [mailto:JACOBSBA-at-uvsc.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 3:59 PM > To: jeep-slc-at-circle17.com > Subject: [Jeep-SLC] Another enviro caused catastrophy > > This is sad and could have been prevented. How can a fish take priority > over human life. > > http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,31019,00.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 23:07:09 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: all I know... all I know is that since the "environmentalists" have worked on their agenda the areas that had been open for me and my family to travel and wheel through and enjoy out here in the west has disappeared. More gates, fewer trails. I look at the costs associated with building, remodeling or adding badly needed roads to our growing community and see severe and unnecessary costs. I learn of communities I've been part of having the water shut off when even the biologists can't agree on what the problem or the solution is while farmers lose their crops, their living and their family heritage... Perhaps the vast majority of people that consider themselves "environmentalists" don't see the end result of the more radical components of the movement. But it's still there and ugly as ever. Follow their thinking to a logical conclusion and it's not a very pleasant thought. It hurts and angers me that I can't take my Jeeps up the forest service roads and enjoy the beautiful views we have because they are gated off... There will be a backlash against these things, and I don't think we'll need a HAM radio to figure it out. Hopefully some of the insanity will be reversed and common and LOCAL sense returns to things. john - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 23:01:48 -0700 From: Pat Hines Subject: Re: fsj: response to sociofascist pap William Killian wrote: > > The conservastive banter is annoying. I am a proud liberal. It's not conservative banter, it's genuine American banter. Most Americans, and some Canadians, aren't sociofascists taking their cues from some european example of "socialist nirvana". > Environmentalism is not about taking things away from you but preserving > them so you can share them with your children and their children. Crap! > Yes I am an environmentalist and I have several jeeps - Wagoneer, > Jeepster Commando and Willys Jeep truck. And several other trucks. Yes, and some so-called liberals claim to own guns, good guns though, none of those evil "black guns" that must be limited by the nanny state. > Do you want me telling you how you feel? No? Then perhaps you might > not try telling people like me how we feel about things. > > I bet you'd find a LOT of environmentalists volunteering to help fight > wild fires. I hear a some people complaining that environmetalists are > doing things and then some complaining that they don't. We are not evil > incarnate. We do not want to take you trucks or your guns. Actually, that's exactly what sociofascists want to do, they'll take alot more than just our trucks and guns if they have their way. Sociofascists (ne: liberals) have been responsible for the deaths of over 170 million people, not including wars, during the 20th century alone. > Fossil fuels are a bad fuel largely because they are horriby > inefficient. We will have to migrate off of them. If we do it soon > enough there will still be some for us who like old and antique trucks > and cars to use the fuel for recreation. There are proven reserves of fossil fuels for the next 500 years, and it is expected that there are unproven reserves of at least three times that amount. The market is the only reliable method of determining what fuel is to be used by people. Sociofascists, gaining control of the reins of power, will never succeed in doing more than impoverishing mankind at best, and killing millions at worst. We need to repeal all of the laws aimed at using government guns to force social change on mankind. Market forces are the ONLY method of peacefully achieving changes of this type, there are no exceptions. Pat Hines ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 03:06:09 EDT From: FourXDave-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Re: fsj-digest V1 #1406 hold on a cotton picking minute... not allowing salt water to be used to put out a fire in a fresh water area is moronic, and it was a moronic demand made by environmentalist wackos, not necessarily environmentalists, but environmentalists who have time to decide that using salt water to put out a big fricking fire is bad, ok?? enough whining already David A. Brodd ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 08:24:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Alexander Wall Subject: Re: fsj: response to sociofascist pap Since when is 500 years considered a sufficient store? You are so self-absorbed that, as long as you can have your fun gunning down wildlife with assault rifles, then you don't give a sh*t what happens after you're gone! The market have never been "peaceful" in any way! Plenty of people suffer through market fluctuations! If you want to live in a compound, and mistrust every action of the least oppressive government around - more power to you. Just don't include us rational gun-toting, truck-driving, country-serving citizens in your little club! Alexander Wall IT2, USNR Spokane, WA - --- Pat Hines wrote: > William Killian wrote: > > > > The conservastive banter is annoying. I am a proud liberal. > > It's not conservative banter, it's genuine American banter. Most > Americans, and some Canadians, aren't sociofascists taking their cues > from some european example of "socialist nirvana". > > > Environmentalism is not about taking things away from you but preserving > > them so you can share them with your children and their children. > > Crap! > > > Yes I am an environmentalist and I have several jeeps - Wagoneer, > > Jeepster Commando and Willys Jeep truck. And several other trucks. > > Yes, and some so-called liberals claim to own guns, good guns though, > none of those evil "black guns" that must be limited by the nanny state. > > > Do you want me telling you how you feel? No? Then perhaps you might > > not try telling people like me how we feel about things. > > > > I bet you'd find a LOT of environmentalists volunteering to help fight > > wild fires. I hear a some people complaining that environmetalists are > > doing things and then some complaining that they don't. We are not evil > > incarnate. We do not want to take you trucks or your guns. > > Actually, that's exactly what sociofascists want to do, they'll take > alot more than just our trucks and guns if they have their way. > Sociofascists (ne: liberals) have been responsible for the deaths of > over 170 million people, not including wars, during the 20th century alone. > > > Fossil fuels are a bad fuel largely because they are horriby > > inefficient. We will have to migrate off of them. If we do it soon > > enough there will still be some for us who like old and antique trucks > > and cars to use the fuel for recreation. > > There are proven reserves of fossil fuels for the next 500 years, and > it is expected that there are unproven reserves of at least three times > that amount. The market is the only reliable method of determining what > fuel is to be used by people. Sociofascists, gaining control of the > reins of power, will never succeed in doing more than impoverishing > mankind at best, and killing millions at worst. > > We need to repeal all of the laws aimed at using government guns to > force social change on mankind. Market forces are the ONLY method of > peacefully achieving changes of this type, there are no exceptions. > > Pat Hines ===== Alexander Wall Spokane, WA ================================================================================= "Where there's a will, there's a way." - Eliza Cook "Where there's a way, there's a construction crew disrupting traffic!" - Alex Wall ================================================================================= Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #1407 **************************