From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Tue Aug 14 08:36:20 2001 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Monday, August 13 2001 Volume 01 : Number 1429 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: Re: [1FSJ] the T-5 in Superdawg Re: fsj: j-30 and 1 ton dually j-30 fsj: Aisin-Warner vs. Torqueflight Re: fsj: Splitfires and other wires Re: [fsj: Re: Suggestions needed for IJC-Pakistan ] Re: fsj: Splitfires and other wires fsj: ford ignition modules in the news (fwd) Re: [Re: fsj: Splitfires and other wires] fsj: Brisk spark plugs Re: fsj: seasonable Re: fsj: Trans problems Re: fsj: Like to swap TC NP 242 with NP 228 fsj: Re: ford ignition modules in the news (fwd) FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 11:12:37 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: [1FSJ] the T-5 in Superdawg On Mon, 13 Aug 2001, Ray (lists) wrote: >-->None of the links work for me. these work for me: http://www.wagoneers.com/superdawg/Frame-OFF-Aug-2001/P8040094.JPG http://www.wagoneers.com/superdawg/Frame-OFF-Aug-2001/P8040091.JPG http://www.wagoneers.com/superdawg/Frame-OFF-Aug-2001/ALL-aug4-2001-9.jpg try going to: http://wagoneers.com/SuperDawg and then looking for the directory Frame off, etc... or even going to the FSJ directory, rigs and looking for johns-83-stepside or superdawg... >--> >-->BTW, I have been looking at some of the manual transmissions available on >-->the web. I ought to be able to get one from an XJ that'll bolt up to my 360 >-->for about $600.00 or $700.00 or so. The only downside is that I'll have to >-->come up with stuff for the clutch. I believe it's hydraulic, which will >-->make installation a bit easier. don't do it... the xj trannies are light duty, the hydraulic clutch setup a royal pain in the seat... >-->Still looking... but I have to get my engine revived first. We ought to be >-->able to give the rebuilder some dough soon. I'd go with a NV4500 first. the 5speeds used in the XJ's didn't hold up well with the 4.0L's... The AisinWarner 30-80LE is a far better way to go... john >-->Ray Drouillard >-->----- Original Message ----- >-->From: john >--> >-->> Here's some close-up pictures of the T-5 in Superdawg, since we have the >-->> body out >-->> of the way we were able to see more info... >-->> (Brad S, what other info would be needed to determine if this is truly a >-->> worldclass if you can't tell this way?) >-->> http://www.wagoneers.com/superdawg/Frame-OFF-Aug-2001/P8040094.JPG >-->> http://www.wagoneers.com/superdawg/Frame-OFF-Aug-2001/P8040091.JPG >-->> http://www.wagoneers.com/superdawg/Frame-OFF-Aug-2001/ALL-aug4-2001-9.jpg >--> >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux ** (plain text please!) ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 11:15:08 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: j-30 and 1 ton dually j-30 On Mon, 13 Aug 2001, R.J. Baynum wrote: >-->I sure would like to see one.. >-->Is the frame the same as a J-10? What's the differences with the J-10? based on the J-20 frame I think, long wheelbase for sure... >-->Do you have a pic? will dig through literature... >--> >-->R.J. ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux ** (plain text please!) ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 13:41:22 -0500 From: Landon Tesar Subject: fsj: Aisin-Warner vs. Torqueflight > Jim, why would anyone in their right mind that had an Aisin Warner transmission > in their rig ever think about putting a Torqueflite that just won't last, > doesn't have > an overdrive and is less efficient in their rig??? > Very interested to see how a used 4spd auto designed for 6000 lb GVW will stand up in a vehicle designed for 8500 GVW. There are all levels of rebuild quality for automatic trans. Ask anyone who truly punishes their transmission which they'd rather have. - - Landon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 11:47:20 +0000 From: Pat Hines Subject: Re: fsj: Splitfires and other wires James, I have experience with Splitfire plugs, and I have just one piece of advice, don't use them. I installed them on my 1986 Yamaha FZ750 and had the following problem: One of the electrodes fatigued and broke off, either going out the exhaust or inbedding itself in the cylinder head. I then read of this very thing happening with some regularity in widely different engines. The suspected reason is the split end adds enough weight to act as a bob weight and during periods of vibration, and every engine will shake the plug electrodes at some rpm, that extra weight eventually snaps off the electrode. Also, there is evidence that the plug eventually only fires off one leg of the electrode, the one that has a clearler electrical path, making them no more effective than a good standard plug. The Bosch plugs with four electrodes are worthless, or worse, may reduce performance. I don't know about Splitfire wires, they may be well made. I have read reports on nearly all the high performance wires and most of them deliver strong spark to the plug. I'm using MSD 8.5 mm wires which work really well in the two vehicles I've installed them in. Pat James Blair wrote: > > A: I'm going with the Splitfire wires and plugs, but mine isn't exactly > a normal setup. I was impressed with the instore display we had showing > the wire in use, and being a skeptic, I even switched a lot of things > around to be sure (including plugs and ignition coils) and the spark was > noticeably better with the Splitfire twisted pair wires and plugs. I saw > what happened to several people that ran other brands of plugs (most > noticeably Bosch +4 in a Daytona turbo) with these wires, and the > electrodes were melted right off! > I have a set in my '86 Comanche 2.5L and while they didn't do much > difference in power (I was going to emission test before and after > results, but they wanted me to pay an extra fee since my truck was out > of season!) the starting when hot improved as well as idle smoothness. > I wish I had grabbed one range colder plug tho. Since my EGR is > non-functional (till I get time to swap it) I get more ping than I did > with the old ones (on my steep hill with 1000lb concrete load, but only > when hot) > I scored the wires for this when a customer brought back a set and > complained they ran like $#!t. As he was leaving tho, I noticed his car > (he was putting the originals back on) was a '66 Plymouth big block, > with stock ignition (points) and stock plugs (Champions and not even > plats!) When I pointed this out to him, he got irate and said they were > a waste of money! > The only run in I have had with Jacobs was looking at John M's set, > and I sold a couple of the new MSD wires (guys brought them back > complaining they had to buy the MSD box to get full power with them) > >    From: Ned Williams > > hey gang another qwuestion, > when it comes to spark plug wires can anyone else with headers on their > 360 tell me if striaght boot plug wires will work? I have been shopping > wire sets, and my wife being a good jeep wife bought me a set but the > ontes she got were for a BigbLock FORD...and even though their a big > block the wires still dont reach cyl #8..so I am off looking again..,. > had anyone had any lunck with the split fire wires? which is the best I > know lots of people lovew the MSD's but I have heard good things abour > the accel 300+ wires, and the jacob wires...so what is it, everyone's > opinion welcome > thanks > Ned > 83 J10 ------------------------------ Date: 13 Aug 2001 13:20:26 MDT From: Michael Shimniok Subject: Re: [fsj: Re: Suggestions needed for IJC-Pakistan ] This is NOT spam and it is NOT some evil plot to make you watch ads. He's been on CFSJA for over a month now, talking back and forth with us. He's got a good club and a good site. It's encouraging to see an FSJ enthusiast from such a distant country! So he's got some ads. Big deal. Running an FSJ in Pakistan given the price of parts and especially gasoline (think 5x what we pay), isn't a cheap thing. So I'm happy to support his cause. Michael Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) wrote: > A: The layout is setup to trap you into an ad banner. A very sneaky way > to spam and get money from having people look at your pictures! Every > picture leads to this url: > http://ijc.8m.com/cgi-bin/framedbanner?bgcolor=black&background=&align=center > which then deadends for my browser as it doesn't do java! > > From: ehsankiani-at-yahoo.com > > Hello ppl > I am from Pakistan and I am writing to > invite comments and suggestions for the improvements and organisation of > the ISLAmabad JEEP CLUB... Its web-site is http://ijc.8m.com This is a > non profit club. > Loooking forward for your response.. > Ehsan > > ************************************* > JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10, '86 Comanche > http://www.geocities.com/eaglemania2002/ > http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998 > ************************************** > - --- Michael E. Shimniok - KC0EKI - Michael.Shimniok-at-usa.net "For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong." - H. L. Menken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 16:08:16 -0400 (EDT) From: David Charles Gedraitis Subject: Re: fsj: Splitfires and other wires To my knowledge of spark plugs, some of the finest engineered ones in the world are made by the czechs. Has anyone else heard of Brisk (the company) ? Only thing I've managed to find so far is this link http://www.realbig.com/detomaso/2000-08/1364.html As far as I know, (I've read about these in a few magazines too) they are generally considered the best plugs available, period. If anyone tries them, I would like to find out where to get them and if they work as well as I've heard... just throwin this out there.... ~dave '67 Kaiser M-715 '61 Chrysler Newport '55 Chrysler Windsor Wagon On Mon, 13 Aug 2001, Pat Hines wrote: > James, > > I have experience with Splitfire plugs, and I have just one piece of > advice, don't use them. > > I installed them on my 1986 Yamaha FZ750 and had the following problem: > One of the electrodes fatigued and broke off, either going out the > exhaust or inbedding itself in the cylinder head. I then read of this > very thing happening with some regularity in widely different engines. > The suspected reason is the split end adds enough weight to act as a bob > weight and during periods of vibration, and every engine will shake the > plug electrodes at some rpm, that extra weight eventually snaps off the > electrode. Also, there is evidence that the plug eventually only fires > off one leg of the electrode, the one that has a clearler electrical > path, making them no more effective than a good standard plug. > > The Bosch plugs with four electrodes are worthless, or worse, may > reduce performance. > > I don't know about Splitfire wires, they may be well made. I have read > reports on nearly all the high performance wires and most of them > deliver strong spark to the plug. I'm using MSD 8.5 mm wires which work > really well in the two vehicles I've installed them in. > > Pat > > James Blair wrote: > > > > A: I'm going with the Splitfire wires and plugs, but mine isn't exactly > > a normal setup. I was impressed with the instore display we had showing > > the wire in use, and being a skeptic, I even switched a lot of things > > around to be sure (including plugs and ignition coils) and the spark was > > noticeably better with the Splitfire twisted pair wires and plugs. I saw > > what happened to several people that ran other brands of plugs (most > > noticeably Bosch +4 in a Daytona turbo) with these wires, and the > > electrodes were melted right off! > > I have a set in my '86 Comanche 2.5L and while they didn't do much > > difference in power (I was going to emission test before and after > > results, but they wanted me to pay an extra fee since my truck was out > > of season!) the starting when hot improved as well as idle smoothness. > > I wish I had grabbed one range colder plug tho. Since my EGR is > > non-functional (till I get time to swap it) I get more ping than I did > > with the old ones (on my steep hill with 1000lb concrete load, but only > > when hot) > > I scored the wires for this when a customer brought back a set and > > complained they ran like $#!t. As he was leaving tho, I noticed his car > > (he was putting the originals back on) was a '66 Plymouth big block, > > with stock ignition (points) and stock plugs (Champions and not even > > plats!) When I pointed this out to him, he got irate and said they were > > a waste of money! > > The only run in I have had with Jacobs was looking at John M's set, > > and I sold a couple of the new MSD wires (guys brought them back > > complaining they had to buy the MSD box to get full power with them) > > > >    From: Ned Williams > > > > hey gang another qwuestion, > > when it comes to spark plug wires can anyone else with headers on their > > 360 tell me if striaght boot plug wires will work? I have been shopping > > wire sets, and my wife being a good jeep wife bought me a set but the > > ontes she got were for a BigbLock FORD...and even though their a big > > block the wires still dont reach cyl #8..so I am off looking again..,. > > had anyone had any lunck with the split fire wires? which is the best I > > know lots of people lovew the MSD's but I have heard good things abour > > the accel 300+ wires, and the jacob wires...so what is it, everyone's > > opinion welcome > > thanks > > Ned > > 83 J10 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 13:08:56 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: ford ignition modules in the news (fwd) for all of us with Ford ignition modules, perhaps we're not alone in having "thermal" problems... ;) john - ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux ** (plain text please!) ** http://wagoneers.com **** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://dailynews.netscape.com/mynsnews/story.tmpl?table=n&cat=51180&id=200108130334000177784 SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - In a deal that could cost Ford Motor Co. as much as $1 billion and affect millions of vehicles, the automaker has agreed to settle a lawsuit that alleges its cars and trucks stall. The agreement ends years of litigation in which a California judge said the Detroit automaker was living in an ``Alice and Wonderland'' dreamland for denying ignition switches were defective. The proposed settlement, announced late Sunday, comes four months after Alameda County Superior Court Judge Michael E. Ballachey ordered as many as 2 million vehicles in California recalled as part of a statewide class-action suit in which the judge found that Ford concealed the shabby parts from government inspectors. Although the case was in California, attorneys said the settlement, if approved by Ballachey, would cover 5 million vehicles nationwide. ``I think this is basically a win for consumers,'' said Jeff Fazio, a lead attorney in the case against Ford. ``It could have been years before the cars were fixed, but with this it could come soon.'' Under the announced agreement, Ford said it would replace the ignition devices to all Ford vehicles nationwide that have stalled and have no more than 100,000 miles, which is an estimated 500,000 to 650,000 vehicles in California and an estimated 5 million nationwide. The Detroit automaker denies the ignition devices are defective and stall, but already has settled hundreds of wrongful death, injury and other suits in connection to allegations of Ford vehicles stalling. The suit challenged Ford's placement of the thick film ignition module, which regulates electric current to the spark plugs. In 300 models sold between 1983 and 1995, the module was mounted on the distributor near the engine block, where it was exposed to high temperatures. Ballachey found last year that Ford was warned by an engineer that high temperatures would cause the device to fail and stall the engine. Ford's own documents show that the company confirmed the problem in internal studies, and could have moved the module to a cooler spot for an extra $4 per vehicle. The agreement also says Ford will extend all warranties to 100,000 miles for affected vehicles and pay to replace the ignition if it stalls and needs replacing before the new 100,000 mile warranty is up. The agreement, if approved by the judge, wipes out the judge's recall order of some 2 million vehicles on California's roads that have the ignition device in them. Ballachey's recall ruling was in the preliminary stages of the case, which was expected to go to trial later this month. Ballachey said Ford concealed the stalling information from federal safety regulators, who were studying hundreds of complaints about Ford vehicles stalling. The government found no safety problems with the modules, but a National Highway Traffic Safety Administration official said the government would not have closed the case if Ford had given the agency key documents unveiled in the class-action case. Fazio said he settled because, under the recall order, it could have taken years, if ever, before the vehicles would have been fixed. That is because Ford had said it would appeal the recall order, which affects all 1983-1995 Ford models in California. The automaker said judges do not have the same power as does the NHTSA to order a vehicle recall. Under the deal, the vehicles could be fixed or the cost of previous replacements could come as early as next year, Fazio said. The automaker already is involved in recalling 6.5 million Bridgestone/Firestone tires - standard equipment on Ford Explorers - that are being investigated in connection with more than 100 highway deaths. ---= ===================================================================== http://www.wagoneers.com/john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com/UNIX/Courses.html ===================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: 13 Aug 2001 15:02:31 MDT From: Michael Shimniok Subject: Re: [Re: fsj: Splitfires and other wires] David Charles Gedraitis wrote: > To my knowledge of spark plugs, some of the finest engineered ones in > the world are made by the czechs. Has anyone else heard of Brisk (the > company) ? Nope. Trying to hunt it down on the web, but probably they don't have a website? I'm not surprised, cuz one of the finest most widely used handguns in the world is made by the Czechs. Sounds real interesting. Will see if I can find any leads. What magazines have you seen them in?? Michael - --- Michael E. Shimniok - KC0EKI - Michael.Shimniok-at-usa.net "For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong." - H. L. Menken ------------------------------ Date: 13 Aug 2001 15:14:58 MDT From: Michael Shimniok Subject: fsj: Brisk spark plugs Well heck, it's right there further on down in the message... http://www.brisk.cz/ click on the brit flag to get english. No distributors outside of Czech Republic that I could see. Might be interesting to try calling in an order. :) They list 'em for the Jeep 6cyl motor but no V8. List gurus, how would we cross ref to get a plug that fits and matches the temp range and so on for 304-401 V8's? Michael - --- Michael E. Shimniok - KC0EKI - Michael.Shimniok-at-usa.net "For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong." - H. L. Menken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 14:58:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck2-at-webtv.net (jim blair) Subject: Re: fsj: seasonable A: You only have to E-test even year vehicles on even years (and vice-versa) or when you're selling them. (it's only good for 6 months) First test is $20, and if you fail, you get one free retry. If you pass, but want to test again anyway, it costs $50 (w/o the subsidy) From: Landon Tesar What the world ?! out of season ? - - - Landon I wrote: I have a set in my '86 Comanche 2.5L and while they didn't do much difference in power (I was going to emission test before and after results, but they wanted me to pay an extra fee since my truck was out of season!) ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10, '86 Comanche http://www.geocities.com/eaglemania2002/ http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998 ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 15:05:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck2-at-webtv.net (jim blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Trans problems A: Sounds like a clogged filter to me. Reverse sometimes not working in GMs is often hard seals (I use STP to fix that, but John is still not believing that it works! LOL!) From: Sean Daw On the Cherokee I just got, the transmission started whining. I lost reverse, but this morning reverse was working again. When I cranked it up this morning there was no whine, I put it in drive went forward a couple of feet and then reverse and the whine returned. It is the 400 trans. Any suggestions? Sean 79 Cherokee Cheif ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10, '86 Comanche http://www.geocities.com/eaglemania2002/ http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998 ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 15:17:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck2-at-webtv.net (jim blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Like to swap TC NP 242 with NP 228 The NP228 (and NP207, NP229) would have to be in an '84 to '86 XJ. '87 to '91 have the 4.0L and NP231 or NP242 (probably what you meant) The Grand Wagoneers (full size) have NP228 -at-'86. From: Joseph.Verghese-at-nara.gov (Joseph Verghese) Hi Jim/Any one   The NP228 was on 1987 Jeep Cherokee, and NP 242 was only put on the 88 for the first time, can I swap the input spline by any chance ?   Joe.V. ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10, '86 Comanche http://www.geocities.com/eaglemania2002/ http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998 ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 17:39:52 -0700 From: "seevers" Subject: fsj: Re: ford ignition modules in the news (fwd) The faulty device described below is the Ford think film ignition module. This ignigtion module was never used by AMC in jeep vehicles. Jeeps used the Ford Duraspark ignition module. - -brad > for all of us with Ford ignition modules, > perhaps we're not alone in having "thermal" problems... ;) > > john > > ---- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux ** (plain text please!) > ** http://wagoneers.com **** http://freegift.net ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. > ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > http://dailynews.netscape.com/mynsnews/story.tmpl?table=n&cat=51180&id=20010 8130334000177784 > > SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - In a deal that could cost > Ford Motor Co. as much as $1 billion and affect > millions of vehicles, the automaker has agreed to > settle a lawsuit that alleges its cars and trucks stall. > > The agreement ends years of litigation in which > a California judge said the Detroit automaker > was living in an ``Alice and Wonderland'' > dreamland for denying ignition switches were defective. > > The proposed settlement, > announced late Sunday, comes four months after Alameda County > Superior Court Judge Michael E. Ballachey ordered as many as 2 > million vehicles in California recalled as part of a statewide class-action > suit in which the judge found that Ford concealed the shabby parts > from government inspectors. > > Although the case was in California, attorneys said the settlement, if > approved by Ballachey, would cover 5 million vehicles nationwide. > > ``I think this is basically a win for consumers,'' said Jeff Fazio, a lead > attorney in the case against Ford. ``It could have been years before > the cars were fixed, but with this it could come soon.'' > > Under the announced agreement, Ford said it would replace the ignition > devices to all Ford vehicles nationwide that have stalled and have no > more than 100,000 miles, which is an estimated 500,000 to 650,000 > vehicles in California and an estimated 5 million nationwide. > > The Detroit automaker denies the ignition devices are defective and > stall, but already has settled hundreds of wrongful death, injury and > other suits in connection to allegations of Ford vehicles stalling. > > The suit challenged Ford's placement of the thick film ignition module, > which regulates electric current to the spark plugs. In 300 models sold > between 1983 and 1995, the module was mounted on the distributor > near the engine block, where it was exposed to high temperatures. > > Ballachey found last year that Ford was warned by an engineer that > high temperatures would cause the device to fail and stall the engine. > Ford's own documents show that the company confirmed the problem > in internal studies, and could have moved the module to a cooler spot > for an extra $4 per vehicle. > > The agreement also says Ford will extend all warranties to 100,000 > miles for affected vehicles and pay to replace the ignition if it stalls and > needs replacing before the new 100,000 mile warranty is up. > > The agreement, if approved by the judge, wipes out the judge's recall > order of some 2 million vehicles on California's roads that have the > ignition device in them. > > Ballachey's recall ruling was in the preliminary stages of the case, > which was expected to go to trial later this month. > > Ballachey said Ford concealed the stalling information from federal > safety regulators, who were studying hundreds of complaints about > Ford vehicles stalling. > > The government found no safety problems with the modules, but a > National Highway Traffic Safety Administration official said the > government would not have closed the case if Ford had given the > agency key documents unveiled in the class-action case. > > Fazio said he settled because, under the recall order, it could have > taken years, if ever, before the vehicles would have been fixed. That is > because Ford had said it would appeal the recall order, which affects all > 1983-1995 Ford models in California. > > The automaker said judges do not have the same power as does the > NHTSA to order a vehicle recall. Under the deal, the vehicles could be > fixed or the cost of previous replacements could come as early as next > year, Fazio said. > > The automaker already is involved in recalling 6.5 million > Bridgestone/Firestone tires - standard equipment on Ford Explorers - > that are being investigated in connection with more than 100 highway > deaths. > > ---= > ===================================================================== > http://www.wagoneers.com/john-at-wagoneers.com > http://www.wagoneers.com/UNIX/Courses.html > ===================================================================== ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #1429 **************************