From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Sat Sep 8 21:10:51 2001 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Saturday, September 8 2001 Volume 01 : Number 1451 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: J-2000 tailgate specs?....will it fit on my CJ-10? - also new Re: fsj: Re: Dana 300 Re: fsj: Re: Dana 300 fsj: Re: Re: Dana 300 RE: fsj: Re: Dana 300 fsj: 80 Cherokee (Anyone near Boulder CO ?) fsj: Re: Re: Dana 300 Re: fsj: Re: Dana 300 fsj: Fwd: eBay item#594979286: Jeep : Truck FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 11:20:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: J-2000 tailgate specs?....will it fit on my CJ-10? - also new A: Cool! Nice toys! Got any LLanero pics? (I got a rearview pic of one years ago, but never really saw the front. Looked like FSJ with double rear doors) I had a customer come in yesterday looking for a filler hose for a DJ fuel tank. Any ideas where I could get one? (they were deleted from our parts computer during the upgrade. What's next? GWs?) From: BlackBox95-at-aol.com Hiya Jeepers, My name is Justin and im from Toledo, Ohio. I have two CJ-10 pickups (and two CJ-10a tugs) that im restoring. Even though they are "CJs", i think that being basically 120"wb OneTonners makes the '10s basically FSJs? Plus it has the inline 6cyl Diesel :) Its just an added bonus that the doors still come off and windshield folds down - CJ style. Anyways, my question actually has to do w/ a true "fullsize" J-2000 Utility bed tailgate (w/ chains). Anyone here have one or know the LxWxH specs for thses tailgates? I saw one today, and it looked as if it was close to the size and shape i need for my '10 ( the tailgate is the last part i need for my resto) I also have an AK Postal CJ8 Van that i will either be restoring back into an RHD AU spec Overlander; and a Scrambler that will be restored into a LLanero using a CJ8 Wagon full steel hardtop. The two "almost fullsize" CJ8 restos are on back burner till the '10 is done though. Thanks for listening and any help you can provide, Justin C ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10, '86 Comanche http://www.geocities.com/eaglemania2002/ http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998 ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 11:25:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Dana 300 A: The D300s aren't that strong either (I hear many CJs blow them up) Go for the NP208 instead (GM makes it with a RH and Jeep/Dodge have the LH drop) Talk to Zack. He'll set you straight (since he works for New Venture Gear) From: "seevers" John, What do you mean by switch the output shaft? From the right side to the left side? Maybe, but I would be afraid to try it! Minimally, the breather hole would need plugged. the pan would be on the top instead of the bottom. But my biggest worry would be that the oiling would be messed up and some parts would run dry. But maybe not. Sorry I don't have a more definate answere! I have never heard of anyone doing it. But if you just mean reclocking it to lower the front output shaft for clearance and keep it on the right hand side, that would probably be okay. One thing to consider when reclocking it is it will change how the oil interacts with the gears, and how much oil it will hold. If the goal is to have a left hand output, cast iron, gear driven T-Case, I would recomend either going with a early Bronco Dana 20 T-Case or a ford NP205. The Bronco D-20 has a low range of 2.45:1 (yes, lower than Jeep D-20s) and the NP205 has a low range of about 2:1. - - -brad Brad, JC wants to know if a Dana 300 can be reclocked to switch the output shaft in the front so he can use it with a Caddy V8. john ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10, '86 Comanche http://www.geocities.com/eaglemania2002/ http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998 ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 00:04:18 -0700 From: "seevers" Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Dana 300 All dodge NP208s were RH drop. Jeep were LH. Ford was LH. GM was RH. The GM version has a slip yoke. Ford and jeep didn't have a slip yoke. Not sure about the Dodge version. A big problem with the AL cases on the NP208 (and other t-cases) is they don't take external physical abuse well and crack much easier than the cast iron cases. But they do seem to hold up to torque well. Yes, the problem with D300s is the rear output shaft is the weak link. AA has a kit that replaces it with a stronger output shaft. The D20s are stronger than the D300s and the NP205s are stronger than the D20s. But under normal use you should have no problem with a D300s. Hmm.. but isn't this going to be behind a Cadi engine?? I'd go with a NP205. - -brad > A: The D300s aren't that strong either (I hear many CJs blow them up) Go > for the NP208 instead (GM makes it with a RH and Jeep/Dodge have the LH > drop) Talk to Zack. He'll set you straight (since he works for New > Venture Gear) > > From: "seevers" > > John, > What do you mean by switch the output shaft? From the right side to the > left side? Maybe, but I would be afraid to try it! Minimally, the > breather hole would need plugged. the pan would be on the top instead of > the bottom. But my biggest worry would be that the oiling would be > messed up and some parts would run dry. But maybe not. Sorry I don't > have a more definate answere! I have never heard of anyone doing it. > But if you just mean reclocking it to lower the front output shaft for > clearance and keep it on the right hand side, that would probably be > okay. One thing to consider when reclocking it is it will change how the > oil interacts with the gears, and how much oil it will hold. > If the goal is to have a left hand output, cast iron, gear driven > T-Case, I would recomend either going with a early Bronco Dana 20 T-Case > or a ford NP205. The Bronco D-20 has a low range of 2.45:1 (yes, lower > than Jeep D-20s) and the NP205 has a low range of about 2:1. > - -brad > Brad, > JC wants to know if a Dana 300 can be reclocked to switch the output > shaft in the front so he can use it with a Caddy V8. > john > > ************************************* > JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10, '86 Comanche > http://www.geocities.com/eaglemania2002/ > http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998 > ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 00:06:03 -0700 From: "seevers" Subject: fsj: Re: Re: Dana 300 Yes, I'm still on the list. Yes, I'm FSJles right now. I'm still waiting to see what my midlife crisis brings!! :) - -brad > thanx Brad, if anyone knew the answer, it would be you. :) > > btw, are you FSJ less right now? are you still on the list? > john > > On Fri, 7 Sep 2001, seevers wrote: > > >-->John, > >--> > >-->What do you mean by switch the output shaft? From the right side to the > >-->left side? Maybe, but I would be afraid to try it! Minimally, the breather > >-->hole would need plugged. the pan would be on the top instead of the bottom. > >-->But my biggest worry would be that the oiling would be messed up and some > >-->parts would run dry. But maybe not. Sorry I don't have a more definate > >-->answere! I have never heard of anyone doing it. > >--> > >-->But if you just mean reclocking it to lower the front output shaft for > >-->clearance and keep it on the right hand side, that would probably be okay. > >-->One thing to consider when reclocking it is it will change how the oil > >-->interacts with the gears, and how much oil it will hold. > >--> > >-->If the goal is to have a left hand output, cast iron, gear driven T-Case, I > >-->would recomend either going with a early Bronco Dana 20 T-Case or a ford > >-->NP205. The Bronco D-20 has a low range of 2.45:1 (yes, lower than Jeep > >-->D-20s) and the NP205 has a low range of about 2:1. > >--> > >-->-brad > >--> > >-->> Brad, > >-->> > >-->> JC wants to know if a Dana 300 can be reclocked to switch the output > >-->> shaft in the front so he can use it with a Caddy V8. > >-->> > >-->> john > >-->> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- > >-->------------- > >-->> http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > >-->> Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > >-->> jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > >-->> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- > >-->------------------ > >-->> > >--> > > ---- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux ** (plain text please!) > ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. > ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 09:23:07 -0600 From: "JC Jones" Subject: RE: fsj: Re: Dana 300 Doesn't the Dana 300 have a lower low range than the 205? My Dana 20 I have now only has a 2.0:1 low range, I thing the Dana 300 has a 2.6:1. Strength is an issue, but not as much as you might expect because I don't do full-out mud running, and I don't do rock blasting. I'm more into slow crawling and more technical rock crawling so I just want the torque from the 501 for sure-footedness and confidence, and the HP from the 501 for getting to the trail heads on the highway without running ridiculously low axle gears. I much prefer to have a low geared transfer case than lower axle gears because I want the most stress to be on the driveshafts rather than the axle shafts - they are easier and cheaper to fix or replace. ************************************ JC Jones 1979 Jeep J-10 "Max" 1984 Jeep Grand Wagoneer "Eeyore" 1986 Jeep XJ Cherokee "Junior" http://www.wagoneer.net ************************************ - -> -----Original Message----- - -> From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On - -> Behalf Of seevers - -> Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 1:04 AM - -> To: fsj-at-digest.net - -> Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Dana 300 - -> - -> - -> All dodge NP208s were RH drop. Jeep were LH. Ford was LH. - -> GM was RH. The GM version has a slip yoke. Ford and jeep - -> didn't have a slip yoke. Not sure about the Dodge version. - -> - -> A big problem with the AL cases on the NP208 (and other - -> t-cases) is they don't take external physical abuse well and - -> crack much easier than the cast iron cases. But they do - -> seem to hold up to torque well. - -> - -> Yes, the problem with D300s is the rear output shaft is the - -> weak link. AA has a kit that replaces it with a stronger - -> output shaft. The D20s are stronger than the D300s and the - -> NP205s are stronger than the D20s. - -> - -> But under normal use you should have no problem with a - -> D300s. Hmm.. but isn't this going to be behind a Cadi - -> engine?? I'd go with a NP205. - -> - -> -brad - -> - -> > A: The D300s aren't that strong either (I hear many CJs - -> blow them up) - -> > Go for the NP208 instead (GM makes it with a RH and - -> Jeep/Dodge have - -> > the LH - -> > drop) Talk to Zack. He'll set you straight (since he works for New - -> > Venture Gear) - -> > - -> > From: "seevers" - -> > - -> > John, - -> > What do you mean by switch the output shaft? From the - -> right side to - -> > the left side? Maybe, but I would be afraid to try it! - -> Minimally, the - -> > breather hole would need plugged. the pan would be on the - -> top instead - -> > of the bottom. But my biggest worry would be that the - -> oiling would be - -> > messed up and some parts would run dry. But maybe not. - -> Sorry I don't - -> > have a more definate answere! I have never heard of anyone - -> doing it. - -> > But if you just mean reclocking it to lower the front - -> output shaft for - -> > clearance and keep it on the right hand side, that would - -> probably be - -> > okay. One thing to consider when reclocking it is it will - -> change how - -> > the oil interacts with the gears, and how much oil it will - -> hold. If - -> > the goal is to have a left hand output, cast iron, gear - -> driven T-Case, - -> > I would recomend either going with a early Bronco Dana 20 - -> T-Case or a - -> > ford NP205. The Bronco D-20 has a low range of 2.45:1 - -> (yes, lower than - -> > Jeep D-20s) and the NP205 has a low range of about 2:1. - -> > - -brad - -> > Brad, - -> > JC wants to know if a Dana 300 can be reclocked to switch - -> the output - -> > shaft in the front so he can use it with a Caddy V8. john - -> > - -> > ************************************* - -> > JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10, '86 Comanche - -> > http://www.geocities.com/eaglemania2002/ - -> > http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998 - -> > ************************************** - -> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 12:35:50 -0700 From: Mike Dillon Subject: fsj: 80 Cherokee (Anyone near Boulder CO ?) Hi There, Is there anyone one the list that is near Boulder CO. and would be willing to check out a 80 Cherokee that am thinking of bidding on ? Thanks Mike D. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 10:43:00 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: Re: Dana 300 At 12:06 AM 9/8/01 -0700, seevers wrote: >Yes, I'm still on the list. Yes, I'm FSJles right now. I'm still waiting to >see what my midlife crisis brings!! :) > >-brad I looked into an MGB GT... didn't do much for me... ;) the guy with the '68 Mustang is coming over today for more pictures so I can get it up on ebay... john - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 10:51:50 -0700 From: "seevers" Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Dana 300 Yes, the Dana 300 has a lower low range than the 205. Dana 300 ~ 2.65:1 NP205 ~ 2:0 D20 ~ 2:0 It will take an aftermarket adaptor to mate the D300 to a TH400. AA makes one and a few others do too. Check out their web page (Id put the URL here, but I can't remember it). You may be able to use a factory TH400 adaptor and output shaft to a NP208 or NP231, but it will probably clock the D300 differently (that may be good and help driveshaft clearance problems). If you buy a new adaptor and output shaft for you TH400, it may run about the same price as a lower gear set for the D20. There is a good selection of lower gears for the D20, some much lower than the D300s 2.65:1. Since you say you already have a D20, I'm assuming it is mated to the TH400 and you wouldn't need to find or buy an adaptor for it. The D20 is stronger than the D300, and also places the front output shaft further to the right than the D300 (the D20 is bigger than the D300 by a few inches). This may help resolve any clearance problems that you may have with the front drivshaft may have clearing the pan on your TH400 (especially with a CV joint in the front driveshaft). If you have enought lift, you probably won't have any clearance problems except maybe under lots of spring compression. If you can scare up a cheep adaptor for the D300 to TH400 and driveshaft clearance isn't a problem, you could just do it and see how the D300 holds up. Just some more stuff to think about! - -brad > Doesn't the Dana 300 have a lower low range than the 205? My Dana 20 I > have now only has a 2.0:1 low range, I thing the Dana 300 has a 2.6:1. > Strength is an issue, but not as much as you might expect because I > don't do full-out mud running, and I don't do rock blasting. I'm more > into slow crawling and more technical rock crawling so I just want the > torque from the 501 for sure-footedness and confidence, and the HP from > the 501 for getting to the trail heads on the highway without running > ridiculously low axle gears. I much prefer to have a low geared > transfer case than lower axle gears because I want the most stress to be > on the driveshafts rather than the axle shafts - they are easier and > cheaper to fix or replace. > > ************************************ > JC Jones > 1979 Jeep J-10 "Max" > 1984 Jeep Grand Wagoneer "Eeyore" > 1986 Jeep XJ Cherokee "Junior" > http://www.wagoneer.net > ************************************ > > -> -----Original Message----- > -> From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On > -> Behalf Of seevers > -> Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 1:04 AM > -> To: fsj-at-digest.net > -> Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Dana 300 > -> > -> > -> All dodge NP208s were RH drop. Jeep were LH. Ford was LH. > -> GM was RH. The GM version has a slip yoke. Ford and jeep > -> didn't have a slip yoke. Not sure about the Dodge version. > -> > -> A big problem with the AL cases on the NP208 (and other > -> t-cases) is they don't take external physical abuse well and > -> crack much easier than the cast iron cases. But they do > -> seem to hold up to torque well. > -> > -> Yes, the problem with D300s is the rear output shaft is the > -> weak link. AA has a kit that replaces it with a stronger > -> output shaft. The D20s are stronger than the D300s and the > -> NP205s are stronger than the D20s. > -> > -> But under normal use you should have no problem with a > -> D300s. Hmm.. but isn't this going to be behind a Cadi > -> engine?? I'd go with a NP205. > -> > -> -brad > -> > -> > A: The D300s aren't that strong either (I hear many CJs > -> blow them up) > -> > Go for the NP208 instead (GM makes it with a RH and > -> Jeep/Dodge have > -> > the LH > -> > drop) Talk to Zack. He'll set you straight (since he works for New > -> > Venture Gear) > -> > > -> > From: "seevers" > -> > > -> > John, > -> > What do you mean by switch the output shaft? From the > -> right side to > -> > the left side? Maybe, but I would be afraid to try it! > -> Minimally, the > -> > breather hole would need plugged. the pan would be on the > -> top instead > -> > of the bottom. But my biggest worry would be that the > -> oiling would be > -> > messed up and some parts would run dry. But maybe not. > -> Sorry I don't > -> > have a more definate answere! I have never heard of anyone > -> doing it. > -> > But if you just mean reclocking it to lower the front > -> output shaft for > -> > clearance and keep it on the right hand side, that would > -> probably be > -> > okay. One thing to consider when reclocking it is it will > -> change how > -> > the oil interacts with the gears, and how much oil it will > -> hold. If > -> > the goal is to have a left hand output, cast iron, gear > -> driven T-Case, > -> > I would recomend either going with a early Bronco Dana 20 > -> T-Case or a > -> > ford NP205. The Bronco D-20 has a low range of 2.45:1 > -> (yes, lower than > -> > Jeep D-20s) and the NP205 has a low range of about 2:1. > -> > - -brad > -> > Brad, > -> > JC wants to know if a Dana 300 can be reclocked to switch > -> the output > -> > shaft in the front so he can use it with a Caddy V8. john > -> > > -> > ************************************* > -> > JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10, '86 Comanche > -> > http://www.geocities.com/eaglemania2002/ > -> > http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998 > -> > ************************************** > -> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 11:43:24 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: Fwd: eBay item#594979286: Jeep : Truck check out this nice '82 J10 Stepside... wish I could afford it... :) john >Subject: Interesting item on eBay web site item#594979286: Jeep : Truck >Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 22:55:07 PDT > >Hi John. This is what SuperDawg would look like if we painted him >Blue. I wonder why no brush guard? > >Title of item: Jeep : Truck >Seller: 1959dawg >Starts: Sep-01-01 17:03:45 PDT >Ends: Sep-11-01 17:03:45 PDT >Price: Starts at $9,000.00 >To bid on the item, go >to: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=594979286 > >Item Description: >Show room condition. > >Vehicle Description >Like new, stored inside. never been in the snow, rain or off road. >Original tyers & wheels still on it. Show room condition. Very rare Step >Side Not restored 100% Original. 37000 Original miles. Your choice of >inspection. Runs like new everything works like new. >Vehicle Condition >"SUPERLATIVE CONDITION" - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #1451 **************************