From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Sat Sep 15 10:23:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from krusty-motorsports.com (IDENT:exim-at-krusty-motorsports.com [192.94.170.8]) by virtual-cafe.com (8.9.0/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA08030 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 03:41:26 -0700 Received: from majordomo by krusty-motorsports.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 15iDCb-0002fR-00 for fsj-digest-outgoing-at-digest.net; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 07:01:37 -0400 From: owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net (fsj-digest) To: fsj-digest-at-digest.net Subject: fsj-digest V1 #1456 Reply-To: fsj-at-digest.net Sender: owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk Message-Id: Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 07:01:37 -0400 X-Keywords: X-UID: 16404 fsj-digest Saturday, September 15 2001 Volume 01 : Number 1456 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: vehicle recovery fsj: FWD: Pratka in Mexico fsj: RE: 4x4 procession down Lake Shore Drive in Chicago tonight (fwd) fsj: Canadian article about the USA... fsj: SuperDawg bedcover. fsj: more SuperDawg bed plans Re: fsj: Canadian article about the USA... Re: fsj: more SuperDawg bed plans FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 21:49:48 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: vehicle recovery When Mount Saint Helens erupted up here in 1980 there were a few things learned. Probably the most significant was the use of Nylons or PantyHose over the air intake to protect the engine against the very abrasive volcanic ash. The abrasive material that was on the ground also got into wheel bearings and u-joints, wearing them out quickly. Engines that brought in volcanic dust wore out very quickly. THE DISCUSSION has been raised about what to do with a vehicle that may be near the World Trade Center in NYC. Anyone watching the news can see many vehicles sitting on the streets with layers of dust and ash. The following is what I would do to recover my vehicle. IF you have better ideas let me know and I'll update the page. I'm going to place a copy of this in http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech but also have it in the URL below. ============================================================== If your vehicle is covered in dust or ash debris here are some of the steps you might want to take before opening any doors, starting the vehicle or moving it. The objective here is to remove as much of the material without getting it into moving parts, the interior or the engine. You also want to be careful not to scratch the exterior or glass. You want to remove the dust, cement material, volcanic ash or whatever else is on the vehicle. Water or compressed air seem like the most logical choice if they are available. A brush or broom if not. Pay attention to moving parts and get the debris out of those areas the best you can. ======================================================== first things: - - DO NOT START THE ENGINE - - DO NOT MOVE THE VEHICLE AT ALL. - - DO NOT OPEN DOORS OR HOOD A garden hose would be my first choice, compressed air my second, a shop-vac my third and as a last resort a brush or soft broom... A vacuum cleaner would probably not be effective but would be better than using your hands. Whatever tool you us, remove all the dust that you can. If possible hose it down completely. Compressed air would also work, but raising more dust may not be desirable, or healthy. After all the surface dust and ash is removed and the exterior is clean, then carefully open the driver's door, check the seals to make sure crud hasn't fallen in. Clean around the opening and anything that's fallen inside. Pop the hood. I recommend hosing or blowing off the engine off completely before starting it. Pay attention to the backsides of the pulleys for the water pump, alternator, power steering and so on. Open the air cleaner, it should be clean inside. No need to change the filter, it's unlikely that dust got in there. You can change it if it needs it though. Spray underneath on the axles and around the u-joints and wheel bearing seals. Rinse everything off. Let it dry. If it's clean when dry, then you're safe to move it. Listen carefully when turning the engine over... if you hear abrasive action, shut it off and squirt water or air into the idler pulleys, belts and pumps to rinse away the material. I'd also recommend putting a pair of pantyhose or nylons over the air filter opening as an added precaution. That's what was used when Mount Saint Helens erupted. Slowly move the vehicle, listening carefully to any screeching, grinding or abrasive sounds from the wheels... Most likely if you have disc brakes you will hear some... if you lightly apply the brakes and the sounds go away, that's what it is. Don't worry about that right now. The wheel bearings are the concern. Once you're clear of the dust and ashes, take it to a car wash and hose the underside and exterior again. It'll most likely be completely fine if you do all these things. As an added precaution have the oil changed as soon as you can, and have the bearings and axles checked. Having all the fluids changed is even more insurance against future troubles. http://www.wagoneers.com/pages/History/TERRORIST-ATTACK-NYC/Vehicle-Recovery.txt - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 22:17:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: fsj: FWD: Pratka in Mexico Thought you guys might like to hear thisbit of news! From: (mike pratka) Date: Thu, Sep 13, 2001, 4:06pm (PDT+1) Subject: Pratka in Mexico Hey James...just thought i would drop aline ...made it to mexico ...blew tranny in Monterrey....repaired by tranny specialist in 8 hours...back on road...100.00 tip works wonders!!! All else good. building house in remote area...Jeep major player in hauling rocks for floor and all other building materials! De Gringo is running good with 221,000 miles on it ...all else well... Liver functioning well...Hasta la vista baby...mike pratka still hope to make Ouray 2002...will be a long drive...mp ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10, '86 Comanche http://www.geocities.com/eaglemania2002/ http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998 ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 08:48:51 -0600 From: "Daniel Beiers" Subject: fsj: RE: 4x4 procession down Lake Shore Drive in Chicago tonight (fwd) Well that is Really weird for two reasons.... 1. Although I was born in north Chicago I did most of my growing up less than 10 minutes from Crystal Lake in Woodstock, IL :) 2. Lake Shore is a weird place for a 4X4 rally as trucks are not allowed on that road. Although Wagoneers and CJ's aren't licensed as trucks in Illinois it would be a pretty small rally as neither last too long in Illinois weather :) The cops will have a hay-day with this, hundreds of tickets all at once. Dan Been Ticketed for driving a pick-up on LSD Subject: fsj: [WJ-Grand] 4x4 procession down Lake Shore Drive in Chicago tonight (fwd) passing this along... while originally from Crystal Lake, Illinois, I won't be able to make it... john ---- - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux ** (plain text please!) ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Robert Bubala Hello Just received word that a 4x4 procession is scheduled to take place tonight down Lake Shore Drive in Chicago. People are going to be meeting at 159th and Kedzie in Markham at 6-6:30pm tonight. They expect to be on Lake Shore Drive by 8:00. If you just want to go to Lake Shore Drive and look for the group, that is good as well! Everyone is invited to come out and display flags! The only caviat is that vehicles that want to participate need to have passenger car plates on them, and no truck plates since those vehicles are not allowed on Lake Shore Drive. For any questions, please contact Steve at 708-339-9454. Rob Bubala Iron Horse 4x4s, Inc. http://home.off-road.com/~iron ________________________________> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 19:45:46 -0500 From: "R.J. Baynum" Subject: fsj: Canadian article about the USA... This was interesting.. R.J. Subject: [Camping] Canadian Editorial - America: The Good Neighbor Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 18:19:14 -0500 From: "M & J" Reply-To: Camping-at-yahoogroups.com To: This, from a Canadian newspaper, is worth sharing. America: The Good Neighbor Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television commentator. What follows is the full text of his trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional Record: "This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most generous and possibly the least appreciated people on all the earth. Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of these countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States. When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it. When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States that hurries in to help. This spring, 59 American communities were flattened by tornadoes. Nobody helped. The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent, warmongering Americans. I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane. Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all the International lines except Russia fly American Planes? Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or woman on the moon? You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios. You talk about German technocracy, and you get automobiles. You talk about American technocracy, and you find men on the moon - not once, but several times - and safely home again. You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in the store window for everybody to look at. Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here. When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose. Both are still broke. I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake. Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get kicked around. They will come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one of those." Stand proud, America! This is one of the best editorials that I have ever read regarding the United States. It is nice that one man realizes it. I only wish that the rest of the world would realize it. We are always blamed for everything, and never even get a thank you for the things we do. I would hope that each of you would send this to as many people as you can and emphasize that they should send it to as many of their friends until this letter is sent to every person on the web. I am just a single American that has read this. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 20:54:30 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: SuperDawg bedcover. I picked up another magazine, Truckin' nov 2001... (like I need "more" ideas)... found some ads for bed covers that will work with my stepside bed, either a hard cover that flips up or a soft tonneau that also flips up. http://www.checkerpro.com/custom_classic.html http://www.checkerpro.com/fxsoft_tonneau.html Trying to figure out if the soft cover can be peeled back if I want to remove it completely... I mean there are times when I'll want to haul large objects and not have to deal with a large flat object... Who knows when I might be over at Jim or Curtis's house and they want to give me a free engine or fenders or something like that... ;) Anyway, later in the magazine I found ANOTHER ad. http://www.accesscover.com/ http://www.accesscover.com/Products/Access.asp?section=covers (in case I can find a tool box that will fit the bed... ;) http://www.accesscover.com/Products/Toolbox.asp?section=covers this cover system rolls back... The rollback cover is more attractive in case I get a slide-in camper too... One thing I have figured out though. The stepside bed used on my 1983 J10 is the SAME bed used in the '60s J-trucks. The fender flares are different, but the bed is the same. I found details in an older shop manual and they match. :) J10 Stepside Bed Length 83" Width 48 1/2" Inside of bed Width 57 1/2" upper rail Depth 14" Inside of bed, front panel Depth 15-7/8" height of outer rail. Living in the Pacific Northwest I definitely want something to cover the bed. :) The bed will be lined as well. I did have a couple of my own ideas on covers... but going to look into the commercial solutions first... john - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 21:04:22 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: more SuperDawg bed plans The other reason I picked up the Truckin' magazine was to look at the hydraulic dump bed setups... So, the new plan is to incorporate hydraulics into SuperDawg's bed since it's off any way... the stuff to make it a dump bed is not very expensive. Would be kind of cool if we could figure out how to make the entire bed lift straight up... that would come in handy to get up onto the carport roof. Would be cool to use as a photography platform too... I've seen these setups before... :) tip back so I can dump bark dust, raise the entire bed up to use it as an elevator. :) Some of these guys go completely out of control and even set 'em up so the bed may be turned around... I was reading about the use of hydraulics a few years back in Design News and they showed one truck like that... That would make it handy... I could fill it up with bark dust, drive up alongside the garden bed, lift, turn, dump... :) No tire tracks in the roses... keeps the wife happy that way. :) The only issue I can see is the fuel fillers... but since they attach to things bolted to the bed, we'll just need to fabricate a backplate and brackets that attach the fillers and surrounding flare to the frame. :) Piece of cake he says... ;) We'll figure something out... I'll bet curtis will wish he'd get moved and get this project done before I come up with even more ideas... rofl... Think the joystick from my son's computer will work to operate the bed? Maybe we can wire it up to a radio controlled airplane system and I can operate it from anywhere..... rofl... say goodnight john... ;) - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 23:21:04 -0500 From: JeepNut Subject: Re: fsj: Canadian article about the USA... Hi R.J. and others passing this around.... It is very interesting to me to see this article being passed around. I have seen it in emails and heard it on the radio now repeatedly in the last few days. Unfortunately, it is being slightly misrepresented and as I have a somewhat personal interest in it, I kind of feel obligated to set the record straight. Don't get me wrong, I am not unhappy to see it being paraphrased as it still certainly is appropriate to the current situation. But the original author deserves to have his work represented correctly. History should never be re-written. The actual material was originally aired on Canadian radio station CFRB in Toronto June 5, 1973. It was written by a very well-respected Canadian journalist named Gordon Sinclair who passed in 1984. I am so familiar with the material for the following reason: For the graduation of my high school's Senior Class of '74, our band director selected me to recite this material during the graduation ceremonies. With the band playing a medley of songs including God Bless America, America the Beautiful, and Battle Hymn of the Republic, I read this article to the audience. Mr. Jones honored some of the Seniors in the band by having them play solos. I got to read this text. I found many people moved by it at the time, and we should be as moved today. I have thanked Mr. Jones silently off and on for years for selecting me for this honor. I do so again now more earnestly. Anyway, the ACTUAL complete text follows, as read by Mr. Sinclair himself all those years ago on Canadian radio... The Americans -Gordon Sinclair June 5, 1973 The United States dollar took another pounding on German, French and British exchanges this morning, hitting the lowest point ever known in West Germany. It has declined there by 41% since 1971 and this Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most generous and possibly the least-appreciated people in all the World. As long as sixty years ago, when I first started to read newspapers, I read of floods on the Yellow River and the Yangtse. Who rushed in with men and money to help? The Americans did, that's who. They have helped control floods on the Nile, the Amazon, the Ganges and the Niger. Today, the rich bottomiand of the Misssissippi is under water and no foreign land has sent a dollar to help. Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy, were lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of those countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States. When the franc was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up. And THEIR reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. And I was there. I saw that. When distant cities are hit by earthquakes, it is the United States that hurries in to help... Managua Nicaragua is one of the most recent examples. So far this spring, 59 American communities have been flattened by tornadoes. Nobody has helped. The Marshall Plan .. the Truman Policy .. all pumped billions upon billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now, newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent war-mongering Americans. Now, I'd like to see one of those countries that is gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplanes. Come on now you... let's hear it! Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tristar or the Douglas 10? If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all international lines except Russia fly American planes? Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or a woman on the moon? You talk about Japanese technocracy and you get radios. You talk about German technocracy and you get automobiles. You talk about American technocracy and you find men on the moon, not once, but several times ... and safely home again. You talk about scandals and the Americans put theirs right in the store window for everybody to look at. Even the draft dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are right here on our streets, in Toronto. Most of them ... unless they are breaking Canadian laws... are getting American dollars from Ma and Pa at home to spend up here. When the Americans get out of this bind ... as they will... who could blame them if they said 'to hell with the rest of the world'. Let somebody else buy the bonds. Let somebody else build or repair foreign dams or design foreign buildings that won't shake apart in earthquakes. When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose. Both of them are still broke. I can name to you 5,000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble. Can you name to me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake. Our neighbours have faced it alone and I am one Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them kicked around. They will come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one of these. But there are many smug, self-righteous Canadians. And finally, the American Red Cross was told at its 48th Annual meeting in New Orleans this morning that it was broke. This year's disasters, with the year less than half-over, has taken it all and nobody... but nobody... has helped. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 06:09:06 -0700 From: Ellens Classics Subject: Re: fsj: more SuperDawg bed plans john wrote: > > Think the joystick from my son's computer will work to operate the > bed? Maybe we can wire it up to a radio controlled airplane system > and I can operate it from anywhere..... rofl... How about a "lowrider" hydraulic control box : http://www.angelfire.com/ct/davezcustomz/whatarehydros.html http://www.redshydraulics.com/ Plow controls might be another option I know the new Boss plows have remote controls. http://www.bossplow.com/ - -------------------------------------------------------------------- Going to Wisconsin state auction today to check out a '86 J20. - ------------------------------------------------------------------- John Myers in SE Wisconsin '82 J10 Stepside, '99 XJ (5 speed), '01 Mustang Check out ellensclassics on ebay for the finest in automobilia since 1998! ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #1456 **************************