From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Wed Oct 24 14:38:10 2001 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Wednesday, October 24 2001 Volume 01 : Number 1485 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: CORRECTION to Suspension lift Re: fsj: replacing a 360 with a 258? Re: [fsj: Suspension lift] fsj: Fluids fsj: Jeep parts swappin' fsj: Non FSJ: Mopar.com Cherokee Accessories Cheap RE: [fsj: Suspension lift] [none] Re: [fsj: Fluids] FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 11:07:07 -0400 From: George Milam Subject: fsj: CORRECTION to Suspension lift Correction: I actually just want to put a 2" or 2.5" lift Thanks George Milam '89 Grand Wagoneer "Moose" Vermont > -----Original Message----- > From: George Milam > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 10:18 AM > To: fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: Suspension lift > > Hello: > > I'm looking to lift the suspension on my '89 Grand Wag about 4 inches. > Does anybody know what I need for parts to do this? Is there a reasonably > priced kit out there that I could buy? If so is there a link to the site > or a name of the company? (JC Whitney really wasn't helpful over the phone > they could only find XJ stuff in their "customer service" computer. Maybe > they have it and I'm not asking for the correct product? I have a buddy > here at work that will do the mechanical work for me if I buy the kit. > > Any help would be much appreciated. > > Thanks! > > George Milam > '89 Grand Wagoneer "Moose" > Vermont ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 12:28:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: replacing a 360 with a 258? A: It sounds to me like a weak ignition module (Try the one off the Eagle) or bent pushrods, or worst case scenario a cam that's walking forward. You will need to move the trans crossbar back -at-5" (the holes are already in the frame) and you will need 6 cyl driveshafts and you'll have to move the motor mounts (I posted about a year ago the differences between 6 and V8 mounts). The Eagle motor mounts are same as 6 cyl FSJ (and CJs, Hornets and Concords) I'd stick with the 727 in the FSJ now, unless you aren't going to tow (I snapped the neck off 3 998 torque converters in my Eagle while towing and was going to put a 727 in when I found Elmo and fell in like with FSJs! ) The 999 that the FSJs come with has a much bigger necked converter (it's the same as a 727 and Eagles should have come with them IMNSHO!) If it's a lock up, you may not like the feel at 45 mph going up a hill! I assume you have 3.31 gears, so the power won't be much of a problem. The spline count on all the FSJs '81 and up is 23 (and about 7/8 the '80s. The other 1/8 are 21 with NP219 due to a IH spare parts buyout when they quit small trucks) and the same goes for the Eagles. The trans/cases interchange (except Eagle has a single speed case) The rad off the V8 is fine, but may need minor adjustments as they are on an angle. The fan works, but should be upgraded (can't use the V8 one as the 4.2L serpentine belt runs the pump in reverse) The power steering may need new hoses, but I doubt it (both should be O-ring style) The alt will hook right up (unless the later GWs don't use a Delco flat plug alt?) Wiring will take a few adjustments, and the Eagle throttle cable may not work with the FSJ set up, but I recall using one in Elmo. PS: The reason I got Elmo cheap was the owner gave up when it kept backfiring, and it was the module all that time! (he left the hood off and ruined the motor. I put my Eagle motor in, and it backfired, but had never done so before. The Eagle module cured it) Then there are the minor distractions like the AC. The starter off the GW should work, but not the other way around (they changed the trans casting and the early starter won't fit in some I tried) From: Jeremiah Westpfahl Hi Folks. My 88GW has been having some problems lately, we're thinking it's got a valve problem. Keeps backfiring into the carb & running like squat. Already replaced the carb twice & done a full tuneup. Quite frankly we're tired of fighting with the 360 & I'm toying with the notion of putting a great condition 258/998 combo I got in a dead Eagle Wagon in there. Was thinking of setting the whole mess in there complete (brackets, accesories, & all) since the Eagle has Serpentine belt. What all would I HAVE to change to make it work? Are the mount towers different between the 6 & 8? Will the 727 transfer bolt up to the 998 trans? They got the same spline count? Or would I have to use the transfer out of the Eagle? I haven't seen too many 6cyl Wagoneers/Cherokees, so I thought I'd get a little feedback before I got too serious. Thanks Miah ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10, '86 Comanche http://www.geocities.com/eaglemania2002/ http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998 ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: 23 Oct 2001 17:40:43 MDT From: Michael Shimniok Subject: Re: [fsj: Suspension lift] I have an extensive write-up on what is currently available for suspension lifts for FSJ's -- all options included. Maybe John will want to put this on his website, I don't know. Long and short of it for a 2-2.5" lift kit, from cheapest to most expensive: 1. Get a set of 2" add-a-leafs, either 4 or 2 and a pair of blocks. Disadvantages are that it doesn't last all that long and the ride is generally terrible and articulation suffers at least on any corner that has the a-a-l. 2. Re-arch your springs at a reputable local spring shop. It's cheaper than a kit, but may not last and probably will stiffen up the ride and won't improve articulation but may degrade it. 3. Rancho 2.5" spring/block kit is cheaper than their all spring and probably rides ok but I don't know for sure. Will last longer and articulate better than the solutions above. The all-spring would be the wise way to go as the rear springs, if sagging, are just going to sag too much for blocks to correct, eventually. Figure bout $550 for the all spring kit. 4. Custom springs at National Spring or maybe ESPO or maybe a local shop. You weigh the truck and they design a spring to your ride quality, articulation, and lift specs. Pricey. There is a 3" lift that is very cheap available from Rough Country, too, either all-spring or spring/block. What you need for a 2" lift is just the suspension components to make it happen. No need for a dropped pitman arm or extended brake lines. You do need longer shocks, typically. Rancho makes shocks that are the right size for a 2-3" lift in either RS5000 or RS9000 flavors and you can surely find several other shock manufacturers that have similarly sized offerings if you match up the extension/compression measurements. Hope this helps, Michael George Milam wrote: > Hello: > > I'm looking to lift the suspension on my '89 Grand Wag about 4 inches. Does > anybody know what I need for parts to do this? Is there a reasonably priced > kit out there that I could buy? If so is there a link to the site or a name > of the company? (JC Whitney really wasn't helpful over the phone they could > only find XJ stuff in their "customer service" computer. Maybe they have it > and I'm not asking for the correct product? I have a buddy here at work > that will do the mechanical work for me if I buy the kit. > > Any help would be much appreciated. > > Thanks! > > George Milam > '89 Grand Wagoneer "Moose" > Vermont > - --- Michael E. Shimniok - KC0EKI - michael.shimniok-at-usa.net Donate or give blood: http://www.redcross.org 1-800-HELPNOW ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 16:53:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Alexander Wall Subject: fsj: Fluids Hi folks, Is there any risk to replacing petroleum-based fluids with synthetic fluids, without flushing the system in between? I want to change my oil, tranny fluid, gear oil, and t-case fluid with synthetics, but don't have the facilities to completely clean everything. I'm planning on simply replacing anything that's low, with synthetic equivalent - IF it won't hurt my rig. Thanks! ===== Alexander Wall Spokane, WA ================================================================================= "Where there's a will, there's a way." - Eliza Cook "Where there's a way, there's a construction crew disrupting traffic!" - Alex Wall ================================================================================= Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 17:06:38 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: Jeep parts swappin' My son and I are looking for a divorced NP205 xfr case that will work with a passenger drop front axle. He's willing to trade his '67 327 (Kaiser), T-85 and Model 20 xfr case. The T-85 is damaged, still useable, but makes funny noises and is leaking. Not sure if the Dana/spicer 20 is also damaged or not, most likely not... the leaks are probably from the T-85. He's going to put his Ford 460/C6 into his '67 J3000. We may use the axles from my '75 J10... Haven't had time to talk at length, just got back from California last night... Of course this swap best takes place in the Pacific Northwest, mailing a 650 pound V8 is not a lot of fun... most mail carriers wouldn't be interested in trying to put it in their mail trucks... ;) Crating this thing up and getting it to a shipper is not in the grand plans for this thing either. :) john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux ** (plain text please!) ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 21:18:13 -0400 From: mpolkkidodge-at-netscape.net Subject: fsj: Non FSJ: Mopar.com Cherokee Accessories Cheap I know this is not FSJ but many people on the list have XJ's too so I thought this might be useful www.mopar.com Examples: Jeep Logo Splash Guards- 4.00 a pair Gas Tank Skids- 6.00 a pair perfect for those XJ's sitting in the garage next to the SJ's (mandatory Content) __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop-at-Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 08:21:02 -0400 From: George Milam Subject: RE: [fsj: Suspension lift] Michael: If I decide to go with a 2" lift, you say all I need are the suspension components. What do you mean by this? Could you list the parts I'll need, shocks...etc. I did see those Rough Country 3" kits and systems, that seems like a good economical way to go as well. Thanks for the great info! George Milam '89 Grand Wagoneer "Moose" Vermont - -----Original Message----- From: Michael Shimniok [mailto:michael.shimniok-at-usa.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 7:41 PM To: fsj-at-digest.net Subject: Re: [fsj: Suspension lift] I have an extensive write-up on what is currently available for suspension lifts for FSJ's -- all options included. Maybe John will want to put this on his website, I don't know. Long and short of it for a 2-2.5" lift kit, from cheapest to most expensive: 1. Get a set of 2" add-a-leafs, either 4 or 2 and a pair of blocks. Disadvantages are that it doesn't last all that long and the ride is generally terrible and articulation suffers at least on any corner that has the a-a-l. 2. Re-arch your springs at a reputable local spring shop. It's cheaper than a kit, but may not last and probably will stiffen up the ride and won't improve articulation but may degrade it. 3. Rancho 2.5" spring/block kit is cheaper than their all spring and probably rides ok but I don't know for sure. Will last longer and articulate better than the solutions above. The all-spring would be the wise way to go as the rear springs, if sagging, are just going to sag too much for blocks to correct, eventually. Figure bout $550 for the all spring kit. 4. Custom springs at National Spring or maybe ESPO or maybe a local shop. You weigh the truck and they design a spring to your ride quality, articulation, and lift specs. Pricey. There is a 3" lift that is very cheap available from Rough Country, too, either all-spring or spring/block. What you need for a 2" lift is just the suspension components to make it happen. No need for a dropped pitman arm or extended brake lines. You do need longer shocks, typically. Rancho makes shocks that are the right size for a 2-3" lift in either RS5000 or RS9000 flavors and you can surely find several other shock manufacturers that have similarly sized offerings if you match up the extension/compression measurements. Hope this helps, Michael George Milam wrote: > Hello: > > I'm looking to lift the suspension on my '89 Grand Wag about 4 inches. Does > anybody know what I need for parts to do this? Is there a reasonably priced > kit out there that I could buy? If so is there a link to the site or a name > of the company? (JC Whitney really wasn't helpful over the phone they could > only find XJ stuff in their "customer service" computer. Maybe they have it > and I'm not asking for the correct product? I have a buddy here at work > that will do the mechanical work for me if I buy the kit. > > Any help would be much appreciated. > > Thanks! > > George Milam > '89 Grand Wagoneer "Moose" > Vermont > - --- Michael E. Shimniok - KC0EKI - michael.shimniok-at-usa.net Donate or give blood: http://www.redcross.org 1-800-HELPNOW ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 10:52:50 -0400 From: George Milam Subject: [none] This thing's a beaut!! George Milam '89 Grand Wagoneer "Moose" Vermont ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 2001 15:20:51 MDT From: Michael Shimniok Subject: Re: [fsj: Fluids] Generally it'll indicate on the bottle if it is compatible with standard fluids... all the valvoline synthetic stuff, to the best of my knowledge, is compatible. I have mixed brake fluid & oil with no problems. Michael Alexander Wall wrote: > Hi folks, > > Is there any risk to replacing petroleum-based fluids with synthetic fluids, without flushing > the system in between? I want to change my oil, tranny fluid, gear oil, and t-case fluid with > synthetics, but don't have the facilities to completely clean everything. I'm planning on simply > replacing anything that's low, with synthetic equivalent - IF it won't hurt my rig. > > Thanks! > > > ===== > Alexander Wall > Spokane, WA > ============================================================================= ==== > "Where there's a will, there's a way." - Eliza Cook > "Where there's a way, there's a construction crew disrupting traffic!" - Alex Wall > ============================================================================= ==== > Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. > http://personals.yahoo.com > - --- Michael E. Shimniok - KC0EKI - michael.shimniok-at-usa.net Donate or give blood: http://www.redcross.org 1-800-HELPNOW ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #1485 **************************