From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Sat Nov 24 19:18:12 2001 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Saturday, November 24 2001 Volume 01 : Number 1504 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: more on the J10 dreams fsj: J10 dreamin' Re: fsj: mileage and the 2wd myth RE: fsj: Re: 80'wagoneer Full-time to Part-time. fsj: Headliner for '77 Wag Re: fsj: Headliner for '77 Wag fsj: quadradrive test FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 09:57:30 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: more on the J10 dreams jim, I'm holding on to the roll bar. going to set the bed up so I can remove the bed cover and reinstall the "sport bar", use it for large items, or have it covered and secure. when you say cross bed toolbox, explain... the highlift over the backbumper and under the tailgate will allow it to get very dirty and put your weight too far back. I thought about a side bed mount, even have the inside wagoneer tire holder that was going to use for such a rack, but then I couldn't seal the bed. A front mounted spare laying in the bed will be fine, it'll be rare that I'll be putting something all the way forward and it'll help center the weight. When I need the bed will relocate the spare to the brushguard. Also looked at an outside sidemount like my chevy stepside bed, but it just doesn't work without carving up the fiberglass flares and moving the filler neck... john - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 13:06:14 -0500 From: "Geoff Banks" Subject: fsj: J10 dreamin' John -- Is that Diamond Plate Steel or aluminum? And where is this Boeing Surplus of which you speak? Thanks Geoff Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 10:43:42 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: mileage and the 2wd myth From: Kevin Pekarek John wrote: >>Yep dan, I prefer I-6's and Diesels for fuel economy. >I prefer I-6's for mileage over eights, and depending on the displacement of the eight, I'll take the six with more low end torque (i.e. ford 300 over a 302). Diesels just plain rule, partly because of their simplicity, partly because they have SO much torque, partly because they're far more fuel efficient than a gasoline engine. A: I prefer inline 6 cyls due to longevity issues I've had with most V8s. I agree that the bigger six with more torque is preferrable too (which is why I'm building my 4.6L stroker motor) On diesels though, I just plain don't like the stink! LPG is the fuel of the near future (till Natural Gas fuel cells become available) and is more efficient with an electric hybrid like I'm building than a diesel. >I had somewhat thought of stuffing a GM 6.2 under the hood of an fsj that someone chevied out, but haven't come across such a beast. Then again, I haven't been looking too hard. A: It's not hard to do with a '79 or older since the tranny is already a TH400. You'd have to do a motor/trans swap and use the Advanced Adapter kit to bolt it in. Then super clean the whole fuel system before putting in diesel. (Heck, you could run the AMC motor near empty, top off with diesel while it's still running and drive the motor till it runs out! LOL!!) >>But full time 4wd over 2wd makes such little difference it's not worth the loss. Remember you're still pulling the weight around, and on most 4x4's that have 2wd mode you're still spinning the driveshaft and axles unless you have hubs, which isn't a good thing on an NP229... I've run my xj's with selectrac in 2wd and 4wd high and couldn't detect a noticeable change in economy. >I haven't noticed a -significant- difference with the eagles I have running them in 2wd or 4wd, maybe a two miles to the gallon. A: The reason for this is that both the Eagle and XJ DON'T have hubs (not stock anyway. There is a conversion available that recently came out from Warn I think) You have to spin the axle too. >>I've heard from folks that changed their old QT's over to part time, again, the best I've heard is 1mpg. >I've heard the same. Strangely enough, a lot of the kits that have this conversion had something like a 13% overdrive in the transfercase. A: The overdrive is a waste of time if you have 3.08 gears! (unless you live in Montana and travel long distances on the flat) The TH400 doesn't lock up and slips more when faced with the higher back presssure from O/D and the too low RPM on an AMC V8 will drop the engine out of it's powerband, losing more fuel economy because it's fighting to breath. My wife's '99 Ranger has a 3.0L V6, 5 speed and 3.55 gears with stock tires and it SUCKS more gas than many vehicles (My wife is ticked because my '83 Cherokee with 4.5L and BBD carb got 20 mpg and she only gets 18 mpg!) As soon as I get $1500 I can spare, it's getting 4.10 gears, which will up the power transfer and probably boost the economy too (I drove home at 60-70 mph last night, and it dropped out of the power band on every hill) ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10, '86 Comanche http://www.geocities.com/eaglemania2002/ http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998 ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 10:47:45 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: RE: fsj: Re: 80'wagoneer Full-time to Part-time. A: Temporary repair is a different issue. There is supposed to be a detent plug near the shift linkage you can put a screwdriver into to move it from 4wd into 2wd, then replace the detent to keep it in 2WD. Haven't done it myself, but one of the Eagle experts on the AMC-list has done it a few times (he's hard on VCs) From: john You're welcome. Using the Edelbrock Performer manifold and Edelbrock 1406 carb will help your fuel economy by a mile or two per gallon and make your engine run much, much smoother. john At 10:54 AM 11/23/01 -0400, Alexander Guerrero wrote: First, thanks a lot guys for yours recomendations the reason what I wanted make the convertion is the fuel savings and my NP219 has viscous coupler damage and this is very expensive but your are right John NP219 is an excellent T-case I going to fix it and I will change my Holley/Motorcraft for a better, then I'll send you my 80'wagoneer photos. THANKS YOU JOHN, THNAKS YOU JIM. Alex Guerrero, Caracas-Venezuela. ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10, '86 Comanche http://www.geocities.com/eaglemania2002/ http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998 ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 10:46:25 -0800 From: "Dan Shaw" Subject: fsj: Headliner for '77 Wag I have a '77 Wagoneer. Does anyone have a source for headliners? Thanks Dan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 04:26:39 -0600 From: "R.J. Baynum" Subject: Re: fsj: Headliner for '77 Wag These are a very hard thing to find plus are also something that seems to be a common factor for all wagoneers and other FSJ's.. at least with all of mine.. I used to have 3 74's and a 79.. just for now.. I have my 80 J-10 Honcho.. Although I am think of tracking down a good wide Track Cherokee Laredo. I would try an Auto Upholstery shop.. so far I have heard several people getting them fixed there.. Forget junkyards.. you will never find a good one, as rare as a winning lottery ticket... And since they don't make them anymore.. this would be your best bet.. or make something up on your own.. Mine has insulation ( grey multi-colored thread recycled padding that's 1/4 thick right now) that is liquid nailed to the roof, providing warmth and noise reduction. I think it's used as padding under rugs.. But I like it.. R.J. J-10 Honcho Huntsville AL. Dan Shaw wrote: >I have a '77 Wagoneer. Does anyone have a source for headliners? > >Thanks >Dan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 11:32:53 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: quadradrive test My neighbor blocked our driveway, my wife wanted to go shopping, she wanted ME to drive HER jeep up the hill and then walk back down... I said, why not do it yourself, after all, it's YOUR Jeep... So she did her first 4 wheeling in her Jeep... Of course I was there with my trusty Digital Camera (Olympus C-700) and took a 15 second video. She wasn't waiting around so I didn't have time to zoom in very closely... Notice as she got about 1/3rd the way up the hill the tires started to slip on the wet grass/mud. The WJ shifted sideways a bit as the left front and right rear tires slipped... but she didn't back off the throttle and it hooked up fine. These are basically street tires, yokohama geolanders. http://wagoneers.com/WJ/tech/wetgrasshillclimb.mov It's less than 40% loaded right now, only have a 26400 connection so you may beat my modem... the file is 4509758, anything less means it's not fully transferred, but since it's a quicktime you may be able to view the incomplete version.... It does reveal that the quadradrive takes a couple of seconds to engage... I could see the tire spinning and then engage, but not sure if the image will be large enough to view.... hmmm... maybe I can convince the wife to do it again, who knows, she might have enjoyed the thrill and be willing to do it again... rofl... On the other hand the feeling of sliding toward the neighbor's fence might have raised the pucker factor to levels beyond her "fun" level... :) we'll see... I can hardly wait for snow. :) Weatherman is hinting at mixed snow on Sunday. We don't usually see much here by the coast, couple times a year... last year, only once... but we were having a drought. :) The 88 xj with selectrac usually did ok going up that hill, as did my 81 SJ with quadratrac. The SJ did better in snow than the XJ though, probably because it was heavier and the weight distributed better... with open axles fore and aft the XJ had major trouble in snow, the SJ did fine... We'll see how the WJ does... john - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #1504 **************************