From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Wed Nov 28 11:49:59 2001 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Tuesday, November 27 2001 Volume 01 : Number 1507 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: Re:headliner.... fsj: Re: quadradrive test RE: fsj: Re:headliner.... Re: fsj: Re:headliner.... fsj: Re: RE: wagoneer seals Re: fsj: Re:headliner.... Re: fsj: Re:headliner.... fsj: Re: RE: wagoneer seals FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 06:40:05 -0600 From: "Vince Orr" Subject: Re: fsj: Re:headliner.... I stapled mine, but you got to be careful not to puncture the roof! Not pretty but it works! - --Vince '81 SJ '99 TJ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "R.J. Baynum" To: "john" Cc: ; Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 10:06 AM Subject: Re: fsj: Re:headliner.... > oops.. got it backwards.. > > > thanks john.. > > By the way,, what brand was that spray?.. I noticed the corner and > some of the side is starting to come down.. on the driver side.. > > R.J. > > john wrote: > > > At 02:37 PM 11/24/01 -0500, fsj-digest wrote: > > > >> Mine has insulation ( grey multi-colored thread recycled padding that's > >> 1/4 thick right now) that is liquid nailed to the roof, providing warmth > >> and noise reduction. I think it's used as padding under rugs.. But I > >> like it.. > >> R.J. > >> J-10 Honcho > >> Huntsville AL. > > > > > > > > RJ, that's not liquid nails... it's a spray adhesive. It's underhood > > reflective insulation that was used. The reflective side is glued > > to the ceiling. The liquid nail stuff was used on my '80 Cherokee. > > The guy I got the Honcho from used the correct spray adhesive > > to adhere that insulation to the roof and under the hood. :) > > > > I bought some from JC Whitney and put it under SuperDawg's hood > > as well, same stuff, silver on one side, gray on the other. > > It's not carpet padding... It's underhood reflective insulation, > > something > > like $22 for enough to do an entire hood and then some.... > > > > ur 2 funny... > > > > john > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------- > > > > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 06:37:08 -0600 From: "Vince Orr" Subject: fsj: Re: quadradrive test Nice video John! Pretty impressive considering the rubber. Imagine what it could do with some beefy tires! If she'd have gunned it at the right moment, you'ld probably be picking mud from the lens! - --Vince '81 SJ '99 TJ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" To: Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 1:32 PM Subject: fsj: quadradrive test > My neighbor blocked our driveway, my wife wanted to go shopping, > she wanted ME to drive HER jeep up the hill and then walk back > down... I said, why not do it yourself, after all, it's YOUR Jeep... So > she did her first 4 wheeling in her Jeep... Of course I was there with > my trusty Digital Camera (Olympus C-700) and took a 15 second > video. She wasn't waiting around so I didn't have time to zoom in > very closely... > > Notice as she got about 1/3rd the way up the hill the tires started > to slip on the wet grass/mud. The WJ shifted sideways a bit as > the left front and right rear tires slipped... but she didn't back off > the throttle and it hooked up fine. These are basically street tires, > yokohama geolanders. > > http://wagoneers.com/WJ/tech/wetgrasshillclimb.mov > > It's less than 40% loaded right now, only have a 26400 connection > so you may beat my modem... the file is 4509758, anything less > means it's not fully transferred, but since it's a quicktime you may > be able to view the incomplete version.... > > It does reveal that the quadradrive takes a couple of seconds to > engage... I could see the tire spinning and then engage, but not > sure if the image will be large enough to view.... > > hmmm... maybe I can convince the wife to do it again, who knows, > she might have enjoyed the thrill and be willing to do it again... rofl... > On the other hand the feeling of sliding toward the neighbor's fence > might have raised the pucker factor to levels beyond her "fun" level... :) > > we'll see... > > I can hardly wait for snow. :) Weatherman is hinting at mixed snow > on Sunday. We don't usually see much here by the coast, couple times > a year... last year, only once... but we were having a drought. :) > > The 88 xj with selectrac usually did ok going up that hill, > as did my 81 SJ with quadratrac. The SJ did better in snow > than the XJ though, probably because it was heavier and the weight > distributed better... with open axles fore and aft the XJ had major trouble > in snow, the SJ did fine... We'll see how the WJ does... > > john > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------- > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 11:24:13 -0700 From: "JC Jones" Subject: RE: fsj: Re:headliner.... You can also use 1/4" long #8 sheet metal screws and if you put them all over in a symetrical pattern it gives it kind of a neat look. I did that in my 76 Wagoneer, it worked great and did not look too bad either. JC Jones http://www.wagoneer.net 1979 Jeep J-10 "Max" 1984 Grand Wagoneer "Eeyore" 1978 MB 300D "Fritz" 1986 Jeep XJ Cherokee "Junior" * * * * * =================== "They that can give up * * * * =================== essential liberty to * * * * * =================== obtain a little ============================= temporary safety ============================= deserve neither ============================= liberty nor safety." ============================= -Benjamin Franklin - -> -----Original Message----- - -> From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On - -> Behalf Of Vince Orr - -> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 5:40 AM - -> To: FSJ List - -> Subject: Re: fsj: Re:headliner.... - -> - -> - -> I stapled mine, but you got to be careful not to puncture - -> the roof! Not pretty but it works! --Vince '81 SJ '99 TJ - -> - -> ----- Original Message ----- - -> From: "R.J. Baynum" - -> To: "john" - -> Cc: ; - -> Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 10:06 AM - -> Subject: Re: fsj: Re:headliner.... - -> - -> - -> > oops.. got it backwards.. - -> > - -> > - -> > thanks john.. - -> > - -> > By the way,, what brand was that spray?.. I noticed the - -> corner and - -> > some of the side is starting to come down.. on the driver side.. - -> > - -> > R.J. - -> > - -> > john wrote: - -> > - -> > > At 02:37 PM 11/24/01 -0500, fsj-digest wrote: - -> > > - -> > >> Mine has insulation ( grey multi-colored thread - -> recycled padding - -> that's - -> > >> 1/4 thick right now) that is liquid nailed to the roof, - -> providing - -> warmth - -> > >> and noise reduction. I think it's used as padding under - -> rugs.. But - -> > >> I like it.. R.J. - -> > >> J-10 Honcho - -> > >> Huntsville AL. - -> > > - -> > > - -> > > - -> > > RJ, that's not liquid nails... it's a spray adhesive. - -> It's underhood - -> > > reflective insulation that was used. The reflective - -> side is glued - -> > > to the ceiling. The liquid nail stuff was used on my - -> '80 Cherokee. - -> > > The guy I got the Honcho from used the correct spray adhesive - -> > > to adhere that insulation to the roof and under the hood. :) - -> > > - -> > > I bought some from JC Whitney and put it under SuperDawg's hood - -> > > as well, same stuff, silver on one side, gray on the other. - -> > > It's not carpet padding... It's underhood reflective insulation, - -> > > something - -> > > like $22 for enough to do an entire hood and then some.... - -> > > - -> > > ur 2 funny... - -> > > - -> > > john - -> > > - -> > - -> > - -> ------------------------------------------------------------- - -> ------------- - -> ------------- - -> > > - -> > > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ - -> > > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - -> > > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - -> > - -> > - -> ------------------------------------------------------------- - -> ------------- - -> ------------------ - -> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:29:17 -0800 (PST) From: Alexander Wall Subject: Re: fsj: Re:headliner.... Careful not to PUNCTURE the roof?? What kind of stapler are you using?! Alex - --- Vince Orr wrote: > I stapled mine, but you got to be careful not to puncture the roof! Not > pretty but it works! > --Vince > '81 SJ > '99 TJ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "R.J. Baynum" > To: "john" > Cc: ; > Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 10:06 AM > Subject: Re: fsj: Re:headliner.... > > > > oops.. got it backwards.. > > > > > > thanks john.. > > > > By the way,, what brand was that spray?.. I noticed the corner and > > some of the side is starting to come down.. on the driver side.. > > > > R.J. > > > > john wrote: > > > > > At 02:37 PM 11/24/01 -0500, fsj-digest wrote: > > > > > >> Mine has insulation ( grey multi-colored thread recycled padding > that's > > >> 1/4 thick right now) that is liquid nailed to the roof, providing > warmth > > >> and noise reduction. I think it's used as padding under rugs.. But I > > >> like it.. > > >> R.J. > > >> J-10 Honcho > > >> Huntsville AL. > > > > > > > > > > > > RJ, that's not liquid nails... it's a spray adhesive. It's underhood > > > reflective insulation that was used. The reflective side is glued > > > to the ceiling. The liquid nail stuff was used on my '80 Cherokee. > > > The guy I got the Honcho from used the correct spray adhesive > > > to adhere that insulation to the roof and under the hood. :) > > > > > > I bought some from JC Whitney and put it under SuperDawg's hood > > > as well, same stuff, silver on one side, gray on the other. > > > It's not carpet padding... It's underhood reflective insulation, > > > something > > > like $22 for enough to do an entire hood and then some.... > > > > > > ur 2 funny... > > > > > > john > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------- > > > > > > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > > > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > > > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------ > ===== Alexander Wall Spokane, WA ================================================================================= "Where there's a will, there's a way." - Eliza Cook "Where there's a way, there's a construction crew disrupting traffic!" - Alex Wall ================================================================================= Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:41:42 -0600 From: "Vince Orr" Subject: fsj: Re: RE: wagoneer seals Dan: I just ordered the exterior window seals for all 4 doors on my '81 Wagoneer. Ordered from the dealer, they cost about $15 each! However they are a lot better and look like they will last longer than the original seal design. They kinda look like big windshield wipers if you know what I mean. I live in Chicago area......GO BEARS! - --Vince '81 SJ '99 TJ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" To: "Dan Beiers" Cc: "full size jeep list" Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 3:21 PM Subject: fsj: RE: wagoneer seals > On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Dan Beiers wrote: > > >-->appreciate that. i guess i will just check out a couple of different > >-->sections of the generic stuff and see what looks similar to what i have. > >-->what about for the windows? the rubber seals that "guide the window" > >-->are shot and i think i am taking in water. you think the boneyard would > >-->be the best place to find these guys? thanks so much for your help. > > the dealer, anything in a boneyard will be bad... > > >-->being a Chicago suburb native i am assuming you are as excited about the > >-->bears season as i am? go bears...13-2! > > bears? cubs? > baseball? football? > > I'm not much of a sports guy... I knew Eugene Robinson for about 3 years > before I figured out he played football... flipping through the channels > one night I didn't get it changed fast enough when they went to sports > and I saw him on tv! He admitted it next time I saw him. Then I was looking > for him and found out he got transferred to Green Bay... I think I did > watch part of the Superbowl that year... > > I remember watching the cubs back as a kid... mainly because there wasn't > much else on... ;) > > Every now and then I'll get tickets to a game from a vendor. Kind of fun. > My dad used to get tickets for Notre Dame. That was always a lot of fun too... > > anyway, good luck on your wag... btw, whereabouts are you in the windy city? > > I don't miss the weather back there at all... or the road salt... > > john > > > >--> > >-->thanks again john > >-->dan > >--> > > ---- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux ** (plain text please!) > ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. > ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:47:20 -0600 From: "Vince Orr" Subject: Re: fsj: Re:headliner.... Hey JC: Do you think something like that hold up vinyl or leather? I need a new headliner but have been thinking about doing something radical and different. - --Vince '81 Wagoneer - ----- Original Message ----- From: "JC Jones" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 12:24 PM Subject: RE: fsj: Re:headliner.... > You can also use 1/4" long #8 sheet metal screws and if you put them all > over in a symetrical pattern it gives it kind of a neat look. I did > that in my 76 Wagoneer, it worked great and did not look too bad either. > > JC Jones http://www.wagoneer.net > 1979 Jeep J-10 "Max" 1984 Grand Wagoneer "Eeyore" > 1978 MB 300D "Fritz" 1986 Jeep XJ Cherokee "Junior" > * * * * * =================== "They that can give up > * * * * =================== essential liberty to > * * * * * =================== obtain a little > ============================= temporary safety > ============================= deserve neither > ============================= liberty nor safety." > ============================= -Benjamin Franklin > > -> -----Original Message----- > -> From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On > -> Behalf Of Vince Orr > -> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 5:40 AM > -> To: FSJ List > -> Subject: Re: fsj: Re:headliner.... > -> > -> > -> I stapled mine, but you got to be careful not to puncture > -> the roof! Not pretty but it works! --Vince '81 SJ '99 TJ > -> > -> ----- Original Message ----- > -> From: "R.J. Baynum" > -> To: "john" > -> Cc: ; > -> Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 10:06 AM > -> Subject: Re: fsj: Re:headliner.... > -> > -> > -> > oops.. got it backwards.. > -> > > -> > > -> > thanks john.. > -> > > -> > By the way,, what brand was that spray?.. I noticed the > -> corner and > -> > some of the side is starting to come down.. on the driver side.. > -> > > -> > R.J. > -> > > -> > john wrote: > -> > > -> > > At 02:37 PM 11/24/01 -0500, fsj-digest wrote: > -> > > > -> > >> Mine has insulation ( grey multi-colored thread > -> recycled padding > -> that's > -> > >> 1/4 thick right now) that is liquid nailed to the roof, > -> providing > -> warmth > -> > >> and noise reduction. I think it's used as padding under > -> rugs.. But > -> > >> I like it.. R.J. > -> > >> J-10 Honcho > -> > >> Huntsville AL. > -> > > > -> > > > -> > > > -> > > RJ, that's not liquid nails... it's a spray adhesive. > -> It's underhood > -> > > reflective insulation that was used. The reflective > -> side is glued > -> > > to the ceiling. The liquid nail stuff was used on my > -> '80 Cherokee. > -> > > The guy I got the Honcho from used the correct spray adhesive > -> > > to adhere that insulation to the roof and under the hood. :) > -> > > > -> > > I bought some from JC Whitney and put it under SuperDawg's hood > -> > > as well, same stuff, silver on one side, gray on the other. > -> > > It's not carpet padding... It's underhood reflective insulation, > -> > > something > -> > > like $22 for enough to do an entire hood and then some.... > -> > > > -> > > ur 2 funny... > -> > > > -> > > john > -> > > > -> > > -> > > -> ------------------------------------------------------------- > -> ------------- > -> ------------- > -> > > > -> > > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > -> > > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > -> > > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > -> > > -> > > -> ------------------------------------------------------------- > -> ------------- > -> ------------------ > -> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:00:50 -0600 From: "Vince Orr" Subject: Re: fsj: Re:headliner.... Well, it's only one of those hand type staple guns but the first couple staples I put in, I pressed a little hard and the roof metal rang pretty good and when I looked over the top, I saw a verrry small bump where I had stapled. Scared me pretty good 'cause I thought I'd went through. If you saw my roof, you wouldn't be too alarmed. I really need to do some body work on my Wag one of these days....a few extra bumps or dimples here or there are hardly noticeable! - --Vince - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexander Wall" To: "FSJ List" Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 6:29 PM Subject: Re: fsj: Re:headliner.... > Careful not to PUNCTURE the roof?? What kind of stapler are you using?! > > > > Alex > > --- Vince Orr wrote: > > I stapled mine, but you got to be careful not to puncture the roof! Not > > pretty but it works! > > --Vince > > '81 SJ > > '99 TJ > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "R.J. Baynum" > > To: "john" > > Cc: ; > > Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 10:06 AM > > Subject: Re: fsj: Re:headliner.... > > > > > > > oops.. got it backwards.. > > > > > > > > > thanks john.. > > > > > > By the way,, what brand was that spray?.. I noticed the corner and > > > some of the side is starting to come down.. on the driver side.. > > > > > > R.J. > > > > > > john wrote: > > > > > > > At 02:37 PM 11/24/01 -0500, fsj-digest wrote: > > > > > > > >> Mine has insulation ( grey multi-colored thread recycled padding > > that's > > > >> 1/4 thick right now) that is liquid nailed to the roof, providing > > warmth > > > >> and noise reduction. I think it's used as padding under rugs.. But I > > > >> like it.. > > > >> R.J. > > > >> J-10 Honcho > > > >> Huntsville AL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RJ, that's not liquid nails... it's a spray adhesive. It's underhood > > > > reflective insulation that was used. The reflective side is glued > > > > to the ceiling. The liquid nail stuff was used on my '80 Cherokee. > > > > The guy I got the Honcho from used the correct spray adhesive > > > > to adhere that insulation to the roof and under the hood. :) > > > > > > > > I bought some from JC Whitney and put it under SuperDawg's hood > > > > as well, same stuff, silver on one side, gray on the other. > > > > It's not carpet padding... It's underhood reflective insulation, > > > > something > > > > like $22 for enough to do an entire hood and then some.... > > > > > > > > ur 2 funny... > > > > > > > > john > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------- > > > > > > > > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > > > > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > > > > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------ > > > > > ===== > Alexander Wall > Spokane, WA > ============================================================================ ===== > "Where there's a will, there's a way." - Eliza Cook > "Where there's a way, there's a construction crew disrupting traffic!" - Alex Wall > ============================================================================ ===== > Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. > http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:11:11 -0600 From: "Vince Orr" Subject: fsj: Re: RE: wagoneer seals You're in luck! Got the part numbers right here! Took two different sizes: J5761982 and J5761983 at $15 each so it cost me $60 total for all 4 doors. These are the EXTERNAL door window weather seals. For other folks out there.....I got the light diffuser plastic thingie for the dome light - part J3234114 at $7.70. Got a license plate light for $14.75 - part J3670544 Also got a replacement part to fix my broken emergency flasher - It's a white plastic ring with a wire harness on it and is located in the steering column - part #56002011 and cost $87. - --Vince '81 Wag - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Beiers" To: "Vince Orr" Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 9:15 PM Subject: RE: RE: wagoneer seals sweet! you wouldn't happen to have part numbers? i have called all the dealerships in Colorado and they all either can't get them or are just giving me the runaround. its quite frustrating. any help in that regard you can offer would be greatly appreciated. I am glad you are a bears fan! I was beginning to think I was the only one out there. if they can beat the fudge packers in lambou in a couple of weeks they should win the division. its going to be a great winter. hawks aren't looking too bad this year either. get to see them play the avalanche in January, I should be about the only one in a hawks jersey...hope I don't get mobbed. thanks again chiiii-tooowwwn yeahee yeahee Dan - -----Original Message----- From: Vince Orr [mailto:vorr6-at-home.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 7:42 PM To: Dan Beiers; FSJ List Cc: full size jeep list Subject: Re: RE: wagoneer seals Dan: I just ordered the exterior window seals for all 4 doors on my '81 Wagoneer. Ordered from the dealer, they cost about $15 each! However they are a lot better and look like they will last longer than the original seal design. They kinda look like big windshield wipers if you know what I mean. I live in Chicago area......GO BEARS! - --Vince '81 SJ '99 TJ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" To: "Dan Beiers" Cc: "full size jeep list" Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 3:21 PM Subject: fsj: RE: wagoneer seals > On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Dan Beiers wrote: > > >-->appreciate that. i guess i will just check out a couple of different > >-->sections of the generic stuff and see what looks similar to what i have. > >-->what about for the windows? the rubber seals that "guide the window" > >-->are shot and i think i am taking in water. you think the boneyard would > >-->be the best place to find these guys? thanks so much for your help. > > the dealer, anything in a boneyard will be bad... > > >-->being a Chicago suburb native i am assuming you are as excited about the > >-->bears season as i am? go bears...13-2! > > bears? cubs? > baseball? football? > > I'm not much of a sports guy... I knew Eugene Robinson for about 3 years > before I figured out he played football... flipping through the channels > one night I didn't get it changed fast enough when they went to sports > and I saw him on tv! He admitted it next time I saw him. Then I was looking > for him and found out he got transferred to Green Bay... I think I did > watch part of the Superbowl that year... > > I remember watching the cubs back as a kid... mainly because there wasn't > much else on... ;) > > Every now and then I'll get tickets to a game from a vendor. Kind of fun. > My dad used to get tickets for Notre Dame. That was always a lot of fun too... > > anyway, good luck on your wag... btw, whereabouts are you in the windy city? > > I don't miss the weather back there at all... or the road salt... > > john > > > >--> > >-->thanks again john > >-->dan > >--> > > ---- > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - - > ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux ** (plain text please!) > ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. > ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - - ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #1507 **************************