From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Wed Dec 5 13:06:44 2001 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Wednesday, December 5 2001 Volume 01 : Number 1514 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: T176 tranny gurus fsj: Ski rack ??? fsj: Fwd: Virus/Worm tip Re: fsj: Ski rack ??? Re: fsj: Ski rack ??? + more Re: fsj: Ski rack ??? Re: fsj: Ski rack ??? + more fsj: strange alternator behavior fsj: Re: fsj-digest V1 #1513 fsj: Re: Wagoneer clutch parts - followup Re: fsj: Re: Wagoneer clutch parts fsj: Re: info needed on AMC Jeep Truck "Honcho" package (Eddie S?) FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 11:51:10 -0600 From: Roy Kesmodel Subject: fsj: T176 tranny gurus Hi all, I'm having a problem with Tank's tanny. The "Transmission Control Housing Cap" keeps breaking. This is the dome shaped piece that fits around the shift lever at the bottom and holds the lever in and the spring compressed. Its the piece that has the strange shaped slots that fit around the pressed in pins that the shift lever pivots on. I've had Tank for about 12 years. During the first 10 I had no problems with this piece. Now, within the past 1-1/2 years it has broken twice. The thin part at the bottom of one of the slots bends and then breaks. This allows the lever to suddenly disengage from the shift forks (usually when going for reverse), leaving me in gear with no way to get out. I have learned how to remove the boots and get it back in gear temporarily, but its a pain. Why is this piece suddenly failing? Is there a stronger piece than the one the dealer orders, or another method for holding things together? BTW, a temporary fix for this problem: Cut a short piece of tubing (1") that has a diameter such that it will sit on the ridge around the top of the cap. I don't remember the measurement, I cut a section from an old aluminum bat. Make two metal straps (I used that perforated pipe hanger strap) about 2" long. In one end of each drill a hole that is large enough for the pressed in pin body to fit through, but small enough so that the head of the pin will not. As you reassemble the shift mechanism put the press pins through the straps. After everything else is put together (except the boots and shift knob) slide the piece of tubing down on top of the cap. Have a friend push down on the tubing until the cap is where it would be if the ear wasn't broken off and mark where the straps hit. Attach the straps to the tubing. The first time I did this I used short sheet metal screw for this so I wouldn't have to remove everything. This time, since I already had holes in the right places, I replaced the screws with short 8-32 bolts and nuts. This keeps the cap in place until you can get the replacement part. DO NOT try to drive without doing something to keep the shift lever in place. It WILL come out at the MOST inopportune time (been there, done that). Try entering a multilane superhighway in rush hour to suddenly find you can't get out of second gear, NOT fun. Roy '82 FSJ Cherokee Laredo 'Tank' '79 Olds Toronado 'Old Whitey' '79 Cadillac Coupe DeVille {son's graduation present} '83 Buick Regal Estate Wagon 'Brick' {recently deceased} ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 12:24:20 -0700 From: "Daniel Beiers" Subject: fsj: Ski rack ??? Hey guys, Got the wipers fixed, it was the motor, wasn't too bad at all. Anyway, snow is becoming plentiful here in the mountains of Colorado and skiing is weighing heavy on my mind (I snowboard actually). In an effort to conserve gas and keep traffic to a minimum I am trying to do my part and get as many people in the wagon as possible for trips up to the ski areas. I am in need of a ski rack! The major ski rack manufacturers seem to have a modified mount to fit every factory rack in the world except the Grand Wagoneer, specifically my 85 Grand. They make a bunch of expensive brackets to mount their racks to the side rails but nothing to attach their ski mounts directly to the bars that span across the top of the wagon. I was wondering if any of you guys have found a bracket that was close enough to work with the factory cross bars. Or if any of you have made something or tweaked something to make it work. If I buy the whole rack system from say, Yakima, it will cost me close to 300 bucks^Ethe ski mount itself is about a hundred. Can^Rt see spending more money on my rack than I spent on my snowboards and gear. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Dan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 11:57:59 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: fsj: Fwd: Virus/Worm tip A: I have received 195 copies of Badtrans and Goner virus so far today from people on various lists I'm on. No need to discuss it further on the list. From:Gary North's REALITY CHECK Good news! Now you can easily remove the W32.badtrans.B-at-DD worm from your hard drive. One of my readers sent me a link to a free program that I downloaded from Panda Software. The program is called PQremove. When installed, it went through my entire hard drive and removed every trace of badtrans. Norton Antivirus 2002 no longer detects its presence. You can download the program here: http://www.pandasoftware.es/library/pqremove_en.htm Click on the PQremove icon. It's a 940 kb program. It will take a few minutes to download. Then activate it. If your computer doesn't have the badtrans worm, this program will tell you. If it does have it, it won't have it for long. ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10, '86 Comanche http://www.geocities.com/eaglemania2002/ http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998 ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 13:00:33 -0800 (PST) From: Greg Loxtercamp Subject: Re: fsj: Ski rack ??? Why don't you just have everyone keep their skis and boards in their bags and tie/lash them to the existing roof rack. Or, get some 1/2 inch pipe insulation and wrap that on the adjustable bars on the wag's roof rack, then tie/lash the skis/boards with or without the bags to the padded rails. I think what would work best for a yakima/thule rack is a rain gutter mount...granted, it would have to rise about 8", but I would trust that more than I would the factory rack as a mounting apparatus. Greg - --- Daniel Beiers wrote: > Hey guys, > Got the wipers fixed, it was the motor, wasn't too bad at all. > > Anyway, snow is becoming plentiful here in the mountains of Colorado and > skiing is weighing heavy on my mind (I snowboard actually). In an effort to > conserve gas and keep traffic to a minimum I am trying to do my part and get > as many people in the wagon as possible for trips up to the ski areas. I am > in need of a ski rack! The major ski rack manufacturers seem to have a > modified mount to fit every factory rack in the world except the Grand > Wagoneer, specifically my 85 Grand. They make a bunch of expensive brackets > to mount their racks to the side rails but nothing to attach their ski > mounts directly to the bars that span across the top of the wagon. I was > wondering if any of you guys have found a bracket that was close enough to > work with the factory cross bars. Or if any of you have made something or > tweaked something to make it work. If I buy the whole rack system from say, > Yakima, it will cost me close to 300 bucks^Ethe ski mount itself is about a > hundred. Can^Rt see spending more money on my rack than I spent on my > snowboards and gear. Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks > Dan > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 15:07:35 -0700 From: "Daniel Beiers" Subject: Re: fsj: Ski rack ??? + more thanks greg, you're the second person who has brought my attention to the strength of the factory rack. should i really be concerend about the rack on the roof failing? seems to me that boards/skis are relatively light. a max of 6 pairs of skis or 4 boards with the addition of 10 pounds of ski mount hardware is what it will be carrying. from the experience of the list, is this too much weight for this factory rack to support. also the factory rack has rubber grommets with some threaded sleeve inside. the grommet obviously seals the holes and the rails attach to the roof by way of the threaded insert. my grommets are swelling and cracking and the roof is begining to leak a little. wondering if anyone knows a source for replacement parts for this application. thanks for all your help folks dan >From: Greg Loxtercamp >To: Daniel Beiers , fsj-at-digest.net >Subject: Re: fsj: Ski rack ??? >Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 13:00:33 -0800 (PST) > >Why don't you just have everyone keep their skis and boards in their bags >and >tie/lash them to the existing roof rack. Or, get some 1/2 inch pipe >insulation >and wrap that on the adjustable bars on the wag's roof rack, then tie/lash >the >skis/boards with or without the bags to the padded rails. > >I think what would work best for a yakima/thule rack is a rain gutter >mount...granted, it would have to rise about 8", but I would trust that >more >than I would the factory rack as a mounting apparatus. > >Greg > > >--- Daniel Beiers wrote: > > Hey guys, > > Got the wipers fixed, it was the motor, wasn't too bad at all. > > > > Anyway, snow is becoming plentiful here in the mountains of Colorado and > > skiing is weighing heavy on my mind (I snowboard actually). In an >effort to > > conserve gas and keep traffic to a minimum I am trying to do my part and >get > > as many people in the wagon as possible for trips up to the ski areas. >I am > > in need of a ski rack! The major ski rack manufacturers seem to have a > > modified mount to fit every factory rack in the world except the Grand > > Wagoneer, specifically my 85 Grand. They make a bunch of expensive >brackets > > to mount their racks to the side rails but nothing to attach their ski > > mounts directly to the bars that span across the top of the wagon. I >was > > wondering if any of you guys have found a bracket that was close enough >to > > work with the factory cross bars. Or if any of you have made something >or > > tweaked something to make it work. If I buy the whole rack system from >say, > > Yakima, it will cost me close to 300 bucks^Ethe ski mount itself is about >a > > hundred. Can^Rt see spending more money on my rack than I spent on my > > snowboards and gear. Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Thanks > > Dan > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp >Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. >http://shopping.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 15:05:01 -0800 (PST) From: Alexander Wall Subject: Re: fsj: Ski rack ??? Why not just get one with adjustable width, designed to attach to gutters? I think that would actually be MORE stable than the roof-racks, they are pretty wimpy. Alex - --- Daniel Beiers wrote: > Hey guys, > Got the wipers fixed, it was the motor, wasn't too bad at all. > > Anyway, snow is becoming plentiful here in the mountains of Colorado and > skiing is weighing heavy on my mind (I snowboard actually). In an effort to > conserve gas and keep traffic to a minimum I am trying to do my part and get > as many people in the wagon as possible for trips up to the ski areas. I am > in need of a ski rack! The major ski rack manufacturers seem to have a > modified mount to fit every factory rack in the world except the Grand > Wagoneer, specifically my 85 Grand. They make a bunch of expensive brackets > to mount their racks to the side rails but nothing to attach their ski > mounts directly to the bars that span across the top of the wagon. I was > wondering if any of you guys have found a bracket that was close enough to > work with the factory cross bars. Or if any of you have made something or > tweaked something to make it work. If I buy the whole rack system from say, > Yakima, it will cost me close to 300 bucks^Ethe ski mount itself is about a > hundred. Can^Rt see spending more money on my rack than I spent on my > snowboards and gear. Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks > Dan > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > ===== Alexander Wall Spokane, WA ================================================================================= "Where there's a will, there's a way." - Eliza Cook "Where there's a way, there's a construction crew disrupting traffic!" - Alex Wall ================================================================================= Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 15:06:28 -0800 (PST) From: Greg Loxtercamp Subject: Re: fsj: Ski rack ??? + more First of all, those grommet things are called wellnuts. I found that ACE hardware carries them...at a much better price than the dealer...~$.50ea. Check in any hardware store that has those stacks of cardboard drawers with all the misc speciality hardware...that's where I found them... I would trust the factory rack when just tieing down to the factory crossbar, but not when adding extra height...unless the whole assembly is very rigid. The bases that attach to the roof (via the wellnuts) tend to flex side to side... Greg - --- Daniel Beiers wrote: > thanks greg, > you're the second person who has brought my attention to the strength of the > factory rack. should i really be concerend about the rack on the roof > failing? seems to me that boards/skis are relatively light. a max of 6 > pairs of skis or 4 boards with the addition of 10 pounds of ski mount > hardware is what it will be carrying. from the experience of the list, is > this too much weight for this factory rack to support. also the factory > rack has rubber grommets with some threaded sleeve inside. the grommet > obviously seals the holes and the rails attach to the roof by way of the > threaded insert. my grommets are swelling and cracking and the roof is > begining to leak a little. wondering if anyone knows a source for > replacement parts for this application. > > thanks for all your help folks > dan > > > >From: Greg Loxtercamp > >To: Daniel Beiers , fsj-at-digest.net > >Subject: Re: fsj: Ski rack ??? > >Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 13:00:33 -0800 (PST) > > > >Why don't you just have everyone keep their skis and boards in their bags > >and > >tie/lash them to the existing roof rack. Or, get some 1/2 inch pipe > >insulation > >and wrap that on the adjustable bars on the wag's roof rack, then tie/lash > >the > >skis/boards with or without the bags to the padded rails. > > > >I think what would work best for a yakima/thule rack is a rain gutter > >mount...granted, it would have to rise about 8", but I would trust that > >more > >than I would the factory rack as a mounting apparatus. > > > >Greg > > > > > >--- Daniel Beiers wrote: > > > Hey guys, > > > Got the wipers fixed, it was the motor, wasn't too bad at all. > > > > > > Anyway, snow is becoming plentiful here in the mountains of Colorado and > > > skiing is weighing heavy on my mind (I snowboard actually). In an > >effort to > > > conserve gas and keep traffic to a minimum I am trying to do my part and > >get > > > as many people in the wagon as possible for trips up to the ski areas. > >I am > > > in need of a ski rack! The major ski rack manufacturers seem to have a > > > modified mount to fit every factory rack in the world except the Grand > > > Wagoneer, specifically my 85 Grand. They make a bunch of expensive > >brackets > > > to mount their racks to the side rails but nothing to attach their ski > > > mounts directly to the bars that span across the top of the wagon. I > >was > > > wondering if any of you guys have found a bracket that was close enough > >to > > > work with the factory cross bars. Or if any of you have made something > >or > > > tweaked something to make it work. If I buy the whole rack system from > >say, > > > Yakima, it will cost me close to 300 bucks^Ethe ski mount itself is about > >a > > > hundred. Can^Rt see spending more money on my rack than I spent on my > > > snowboards and gear. Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > Thanks > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > >Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. > >http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 19:39:57 -0700 From: Gary Clark Subject: fsj: strange alternator behavior A. Roy, Check the tightness of the belt again and make sure you have the correct size belt. I had similar problem for 2-3yrs that drove me crazy,the battery was always low, and the stress on the alternater caused it to fail. It turned out to be a belt, that I had just replaced and assumed it was ok. It was slipping at idle speeds because it was the wrong size and was incabable of the correct tension. The belt was a little long. But my fuel, oil, and temp gauges usually worked. A lose ground at the instrument panel perhaps? Hope this helps. Gary 73 Wag Hi all, In Tank ('82 Chero) is the ammeter part of the charging circuit? I have this intermittent problem where the ammeter suddenly drops to zero and the fuel, oil, and temp gages quit working. Usually this happens at low idle and a 'blip' on the gas gets it working again. If that doesn't work, it usually means I've lost an alternator belt. Well, this morning it did it and the 'blip' didn't work. So I pulled over and checked, belt OK. Just for giggles, I checked the voltage at the battery, 12.4V, indicating no output from alt. A little down the road 'blip' worked. After I got to work I checked Battery voltage - 14.3V, alt working. Allowed idle to drop to where ammeter and gages pooped out, checked voltage again, 12.4V, alt not working. Any ideas? Roy '82 FSJ Cherokee Laredo 'Tank' '79 Olds Toronado 'Old Whitey' '79 Cadillac Coupe DeVille {son's graduation present} '83 Buick Regal Estate Wagon 'Brick' {recently deceased} ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 22:32:42 -0600 From: Mike Dillon Subject: fsj: Re: fsj-digest V1 #1513 Hey Landon, I tooled around in a willys pickup in high school, 134 F head four though. They are simple as dirt, redid most all the wiring in it on a satrday afternoon with one roll of wire (I did not have any money to buy more than one roll, so all the wiring was yellow 14 GA) The 4 cyl came with 5.38 gears, but I beleive most of the 6 cyl models had taller gears more in the 4.88 to 4.27 range, the four would do 55 so the six should do 60 on a good day. The closed knuckel front seal balls are likely to be scored and deaply around where the seal rides when the wheels are pointed streight, the T-90 trans is pretty weak and the non-syncro first take some getting use to, but with practice I use to be able to nail first on the fly when a down shift for a corner was needed. (Let up on the gas to unload the gears pop trans into nurtral, rev engine , slid it in to first gear). Neat trucks , for a four mile commute it would be great ! Mike D. > Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 17:05:13 -0600 > From: Landon Tesar > Subject: fsj: willys pickups > > Hi > > just wondering what the general take on the willys pickup is. > > It's hard to find a nice J-Truck, it seems, Oh, I suppose they > can be had, but is a Willys a reasonable alternative for a ranch > truck/5-10 mile commute kind of situation ? > Most likely it will have the Hurricane flathead 6(way heavier > than a chevy small block) and a 3spd, D18 transfer case, drum > brakes all around (single cell master cylinder?) > A couple considerations spring to mind - need to harden the > valve seats - but a guy on their mailing list says not to take > the engine out - rebuild it in the truck! Can I press in > hardened valve seats in the block w/o removing the block ? > Gear ratios most common is 4.88:1 So top speed around 55 mph. > Do I wanna go any faster in one of these ? > There's one on Ebay in Nebraska, but needs a engine rebuild, > sparked my interest. Of course there's old wiring, and > suspensions that sag with age.... etc. > Basically I'd like an old pickup, but an alternative to the > regular crowd. > > - - Landon > > ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 21:20:10 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: Wagoneer clutch parts - followup On a related note, the Fall catalog from 4 Wheel Drive Hardware ( http:\\www.4wd.com ) has all of the parts for that type of clutch linkage shown on page H3. The bushings are part #3167067 - $0.99, The boots are part #3170937 - $3.95 In the catalog, they show pricing for every part of that whole setup. See https://www.4wd.com/Shop4wd/ProductDetail.asp?ProdId=CAPRDAA698VRP4KPWNWJ13FE9C14D0FH&FamId=CAPFMAERF04BZDAKXU5415K9USMAYSG5&PFamId=UnderBody If you click on the little picture, you can get a bigger version. - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 01:14:28 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Wagoneer clutch parts From: john >It's really rare to find an '80s vintage wagoneer with a manual tranny. My '83 J10 has (or will have had) the 258 with a T-5. A: Speaking of, could I borrow/buy/swap your clutch pedal? It and wiring are all that's stopping Black Jack from being driven. (Will the '87 XJ's pedal work?) >The parts are all pretty standard. Simple and functional, and easy to adapt. There is such a mix of AMC, GM and Ford stuff on these jewels it doesn't take a lot of mechanical or engineering skill to make stuff work. A little bailing wire, duct tape, a big hammer and a hot wrench, and maybe a buzz box, or JB weld and voila, you're back on the road... :) A: I have the XJ motor perched under the hood of Black Jack, and hopefully when my holiday rolls up, I will be able to work on it (I'm going to finish the house first, so we can qualify for refinance) ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10, '86 Comanche http://www.geocities.com/eaglemania2002/ http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998 ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 10:49:38 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: fsj: Re: info needed on AMC Jeep Truck "Honcho" package (Eddie S?) A: From the AMC-list (Ralph's a Rambler guy in Oregon) This may not reach Al, as AOL seems to think Webtv is a major spam source. (Someone want to teach them about faking ISPs?) The Honcho package was a higher trim than regular. Not sure what years, but if the truck has the front drive shaft on the passenger's side, it's '79 or older. On the LH side, it's '80 or newer. Check out http://www.wagoneers.com for more Jeep info. From: ralph.ausmann3-at-verizon.net Where I came from "Honcho" meant "the big boss" of a particular group. Like "Big Elmer is the "honcho" around here"... (big tough neighbor kid) What does my dictionary say? Well, two olde ones didn't... My Webster's 2nd College Edition New World Dictionary of the American Language has it: ('hon-cho') n., pl.'-chos' - [ Jap. (hancho), squad leader]* [Slang]- a person in charge, leader, chief. (must be a Japanese originated expression) - --------------------------------------------- See also: http://www.wordsmyth.net/cgi-bin/search.cgi?matchent=honcho&matchtype=exact Am copying in Jim Blair on this he may have some Jeep info for you. Seemed to me like these were just a "trim package". People like hype. Ralph Ausmann -Tigard, OR eFax# 1-801-761-8788 http://home1.gte.net/res0b84l/fcs/fcsystem.html -Freight Control Systems http://clubs.hemmings.com/classicamx - Classic AMX Club of Portland http://home1.gte.net/res0b84l/amc/amc-cd.htm - AMC-List Archives CD Disk forwarded message: ============================================== From: AMXorcist-at-aol.com List, I have a salvage yard AMC that I need help identifying (other than from VIN# which I don't have right now) Does anyone off hand know what year AMC put out the Jeep J-series Truck that has in big LOGO words on the side doors "HONCHO" (is that english) (80's type word, almost sounds like a "Village People" song) Hey Eddie Stakes is the above in your archives? and do the Mexicans down southland there have a translation for what "Honcho" means???? and was there anything other than the logo special about this package? How about Jesse J2sax, your into Jeep Trucks, whats your take? Yeah I am thinking of snagging a truck for the winter but it might be a hell (theres that word again) of a work up, man I hate when salvage yards don't have titles. Al DiO Coatesville PA -------------------------------------- ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10, '86 Comanche http://www.geocities.com/eaglemania2002/ http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998 ************************************** ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #1514 **************************