From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Tue Jan 1 14:37:23 2002 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Tuesday, January 1 2002 Volume 01 : Number 1534 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: Re:door hinge pins fsj: it's still 2001 here... :) fsj: a Full Size Jeep year finale... fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list fsj: Re: it's still 2001 here... :) fsj: Re: it's still 2001 here... :) fsj: Re: it's still 2001 here... :) fsj: Re: it's still 2001 here... :) fsj: FSJ tech pages on wagoneers.com... Re: fsj: charging problem Re: fsj: Door hinge pins and bushings fsj: More charging trouble tech FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 20:04:06 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: Re:door hinge pins any rust where the hinges attach to the body or door? You might be able to get those pins from a GM dealer... check the sizes... just a crazy thought... I have a passenger door from a '71 J truck sitting over by the fence... too bad you're in TN and not the PNW... If you can't find the hinges anywhere let me know and I'll take a picture to make sure they're the same and sell 'em to you. I'm not looking forward to taking them off though, it's muddy out there right now... had a flood caused by a paving contractor who clogged a culvert... and now my drive and shop area are a muddy mess... :( I'm pretty sure these hinges will work... Make me an offer if you can't find 'em any where else... The door will find a home ok without the hinges... :) john in snohomish, washington... where we have REAL hills... ;) check 'em out: http://www.wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/mountains-oct26-2001.jpg http://www.wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/snohomish-valley-mt-index-august2-2001.jpg http://www.wagoneers.com/fotos/Snohomish-Garden/theview-june4.jpg At 10:44 PM 12/31/01 -0500, fsj-digest wrote: >Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 13:53:34 -0600 >From: "Bob Brundage" >Subject: fsj: Door hinge pins and bushings > >Hey Guys, >I have a 1984 Grand Wagoneer. >My front passenger door will not align to close. >It has ~ 1/2 inch play up and down. >I think my hinge pins and bushings are worn out. >I can not find any pins and bushings for the FSJ. >The Jeep dealer just sales hinges ($120.00). >Any guidance out there? >Bob in TN - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 23:02:11 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: it's still 2001 here... :) only 11pm here on the west coast... ...the cat is cowering at my feet, doesn't like loud noises I guess... ...trying for the last message of the year to the list... ;) wish you all the best in the new year... john ----------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://wagoneers.com '99 Grand Cherokee Ltd (WJ) - http://wagoneers.com/WJ '83 J10 stepside (SJ) - http://wagoneers.com/SuperDawg '77 Cherokee (SJ) - http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/johns-77-cherokee (son's collection: '67 J-3000, 67 Fairlane, 68 Montego) http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html Snohomish, WA, where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... ----------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 23:09:33 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: a Full Size Jeep year finale... just realized... I have 4 FSJs registered right now... - 67 J-100 Panel (curtis is buying this one... he calls it Rambo :) - 67 J3000 ( my son is selling this one to buy the '77 cherokee) - 77 Cherokee (my daily driver until SuperDawg is ready, April, May???) - 83 J10 Stepside (undergoing restoration....) seems like I have more some where... oh yeah, not registered yet, but the '75 J10 that will become a dump bed trailer to match SuperDawg... :) soon as I can clear the mud out of the driveway... :) john - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 02:15:00 -0500 From: Richard Welty Subject: fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. 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For more information, see the web site. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 01:42:21 -0600 From: "Vince Orr" Subject: fsj: Re: it's still 2001 here... :) Happy New Year to you too John and everyone on the list! - --Vince '81 Wagoneer '99 TJ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 1:02 AM Subject: fsj: it's still 2001 here... :) > only 11pm here on the west coast... > ...the cat is cowering at my feet, doesn't like loud noises I guess... > ...trying for the last message of the year to the list... ;) > wish you all the best in the new year... > > john > ----------------------------------------------------------- > john-at-wagoneers.com http://wagoneers.com > '99 Grand Cherokee Ltd (WJ) - http://wagoneers.com/WJ > '83 J10 stepside (SJ) - http://wagoneers.com/SuperDawg > '77 Cherokee (SJ) - http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/johns-77-cherokee > (son's collection: '67 J-3000, 67 Fairlane, 68 Montego) > http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html > Snohomish, WA, where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > ------------------------------------------------------- - ---- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 23:43:42 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: it's still 2001 here... :) At 01:42 AM 1/1/02 -0600, Vince Orr wrote: >Happy New Year to you too John and everyone on the list! >--Vince >'81 Wagoneer >'99 TJ so what's 2002 looking like over there? It's still almost 20 minutes away... ;) (working on an article for the next FSJ magazine... transmissions... (and corrections to the engine article... seems that there were a few errors introduced when it was printed... :) ttyl, john - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 01:59:30 -0600 From: "Vince Orr" Subject: fsj: Re: it's still 2001 here... :) > At 01:42 AM 1/1/02 -0600, Vince Orr wrote: > >Happy New Year to you too John and everyone on the list! > >--Vince > >'81 Wagoneer > >'99 TJ > John Meister wrote: > so what's 2002 looking like over there? It's still > almost 20 minutes away... ;) (working on an article > for the next FSJ magazine... transmissions... (and > corrections to the engine article... seems that there > were a few errors introduced when it was printed... :) > > ttyl, > john A: Still looks the same so far but has got to get better than 2001! I had to go to the hospital last year right off, lots of family problems, employee problems, Daughter went into the Navy, etc... and then Sept. 11th..... Good things are that the immediate family is healthy, and I did make some headway on my Wagoneer and got a TJ to play with. Can't really complain. But right now, the champagne tastes better, the food tastes better, and very much like the groundhog seeing it's shadow........I think it's going to be a good year! Plus, in August is the GREAT FSJ GATHERING in CO. I'd really like to be there......lots to look forward to. Have a GREAT NEW YEAR! WAAA HOOOO! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 23:58:45 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: it's still 2001 here... :) the clock on my windoze 98 pc is slow... so it's still 2001 for 3 more minutes... :) even though they just said it's the new year on the radio... happy new year... :) At 01:59 AM 1/1/02 -0600, Vince Orr wrote: > > At 01:42 AM 1/1/02 -0600, Vince Orr wrote: > > >Happy New Year to you too John and everyone on the list! > > >--Vince > > >'81 Wagoneer > > >'99 TJ >in August is the GREAT FSJ GATHERING in CO. I'd really like to >be there......lots to look forward to. >Have a GREAT NEW YEAR! WAAA HOOOO! Looking forward to August... hopefully SuperDawg will be ready. :) john - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 02:06:49 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: FSJ tech pages on wagoneers.com... I've been working on FSJ technical information and putting it up on my server for years. Some of this information will or has appeared in FSJ magazine, and more will be added to it for the book on FSJs that I've been working on for years. I was going to try to get it printed before Ouray. But it makes sense to print it after Ouray and include that adventure in the book. Please do not copy this material to other sites, links are ok, but realize I may move the pages to different directories... :) enjoy, john http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/ http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/Engines/ http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/Engines/FSJ-engines-ALL/Engines-FSJ.html http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/Transmissions/ http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/Transmissions/SJ-transmissions.html - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 11:01:03 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck2-at-webtv.net (jim blair) Subject: Re: fsj: charging problem A: I just went through this with someone on the other list. First, make sure your belts are in good condition and tight. (early morning squeal on start up means time to change if they are tight) If the belts are worn thinner, then just the bottom of the Vee makes contact with the pulleys, which isn't enough to make it charge. (they can slip silently this way) Then, make sure your battery cables are clean and tight where they attach to the battery (any moisture will produce a grey pasty looking stuff that is mostly lead oxide. A very poor power conductor that requires heavy loads to arc across, but low amp returns from the alt can't get back in due to high resistance.) Also make sure they aren't turning green inside the wires. Make sure you have a ground wire going to the body from battery negative as well as to the engine. When you are winter driving there is a higher draw than summer time, and the battery will slowly wear down. Make sure your battery is in good condition. (it's surprising how fast they can go bad!) If you have it charged and tested, let it sit overnight without hooking in the vehicle and test it again. A weak battery will show good with a surface charge, but internal resistance will bring it down after 7 or 8 hours. (I had one customer complain that his battery went dead overnight, requiring a jumpstart in the AM, but it tested good. I let it sit for 1/2 an hour and it was down to 28 cranking amps! My theory is that when the battery is hot, everything is spread apart and as it cools the plates come together causing an internal short) Always make sure your battery is fully charged if you change an alternator, or the new one can self destruct before it has a chance to break in. (While it is less likely with the older style Chev alternators we run, it's good practice in general) Now on to the alternator! Have it in vehicle tested with a fully charged battery at any CSK (Schuck's out here) to see if there is a problem. (I can't vouch for all the guys that test them. Many just want that sale!) If a diode blows in the alt, you lose 2/3s of it's charging capability (voltage reads just a little lower than normal but amperage is way down). The alt brushs can hang up and not make contact (if you pull the alt to have it tested, bumping it around can unhang them, resulting in a "working" alt when tested, but it goes bad shortly after usually. I can't remember how many customers come in and say "But I just had it tested! It can't be bad!") From: "Daniel Beiers" Guys, Need some advice. The wagoneer is not charging the battery. evidently it will run just fine but after driving for awhile, if i turn it off, it won't start again. if i wait a little and give the battery some time to recharge itslef it turns over and will go down the road until the next time i turn it off. i haven't driven it like this at all, just from the gas station it broke down at back home. At first I was thinking alternator but it seems odd that it runs the vehicle but will not charge the battery...doesn't it? I thought maybe the starter solenoid, which everything apperas to go through but it does start, with a charged battery. What should i be looking for? And, if i end up replacing the alt is should i think about putting a higher amp model on? according to the parts store i have a like a 63 amp model on there now. i did purchase the alternator but would gladly take it back if there is another one that would be more desirable. Thanks for any help or advice you can offer. If its not too much trouble please CC me on the replies, I am going to try to fix this thing tomorrow whole i have the day off. Many thanks Dan 85 Grand Wagoneer 86 CJ-7 ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10, '86 Comanche http://www.geocities.com/eaglemania2002/ http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998 ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 11:06:27 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck2-at-webtv.net (jim blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Door hinge pins and bushings A: If you're looking for complete hinges, check out the fsjparts-at-yahoogroups.com list. One of the guys on the lists started it. From: "Bob Brundage" Hey Guys, I have a 1984 Grand Wagoneer. My front passenger door will not align to close. It has ~ 1/2 inch play up and down. I think my hinge pins and bushings are worn out. I can not find any pins and bushings for the FSJ. The Jeep dealer just sales hinges ($120.00). Any guidance out there? Bob in TN ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10, '86 Comanche http://www.geocities.com/eaglemania2002/ http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998 ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 11:33:28 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: fsj: More charging trouble tech Re: still overcharging alt in a GW after 2nd replacement. From: carnuck-at-webtv.net A: Sounds like the secondary wire to the side plug on your alternator isn't getting power. That's what signals the alternator to raise or lower the output. If there is no voltage going in on that one (red on replacement plugs) then the regulator tells the alt to put out more power, hence the overcharge. ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10, '86 Comanche http://www.geocities.com/eaglemania2002/ http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998 ************************************** ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #1534 **************************