From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Sun Jan 6 21:03:48 2002 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Saturday, January 5 2002 Volume 01 : Number 1538 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: Parts list #1 (mostly non-FSJ) fsj: under the '77 Cherokee fsj: Question about fan belt installation fsj: Re: 77 Cherokee Lift fsj: Re: parts fsj: the hardest spark plugs ever... FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 17:06:45 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Parts list #1 (mostly non-FSJ) I forgot I have the rear bumper as well ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10, '86 Comanche http://www.geocities.com/eaglemania2002/ http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998 ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 22:42:47 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: under the '77 Cherokee Got a muffler installed on my '77 Cherokee today... forgot to take a shot of the new exhaust... went with 2.5" pipe and a glasspack (lifetime guaranteed) at Airport Welding in Snohomish. Think it cost about $165 total... I can hear the radio now. :) Anyway, took some shots of the "lift" setup on this thing... I don't know how long it's been this way. The steering box feels loose, that's the next major project... of course you can see it's covered with fluid, looks like the seals may be bad... The Cherokee goes down the road straight... wheel only moves a little before it changes direction, but it just doesn't feel right to me... I'm getting used to it, but it's not as tight as other FSJs I've owned. http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/johns-77-cherokee/ Under-Jan4-2002 (?) later, john - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 12:05:12 EST From: RKH911-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Question about fan belt installation I need to replace the PS belt on my 85 Wag today. The belt in ? is the inside ~18" belt connected to the PS pump and ??. Where, and in what order, should I shift the other belts to get this one on and back in working order ? Obviously a shade tree mechanic and as we've sold our home and are preparing to move again, all manuals are packed in boxes. Thanks folks. Rob Harrison 85 Grand Wagoneer ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 12:43:35 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: 77 Cherokee Lift thanx for the analysis JC. I may try to reinforce the front shackles... not sure... will take it easy for the time being. Just going back and forth to work on smooth roads, light traffic and slow speeds... john At 10:48 AM 1/5/02 -0700, JC Jones wrote: >John, > >I don't want to scare you too much about the lift on your 77, but here >is my evaluation based on your pictures. > >front-ds-front-spring785.jpg >This is just frightening. Don't plan on taking any corners too fast or >this homemade shackle just might collapse. Extended shackles are bad >enough when they are made from 3/16" or 1/4" box welded steel, these are >just way to thin to be safe (especially holding up the weight of an >FSJ). These might fly on something that weighs a few thousand pounds >less. > >front-ds-spring-rear791.jpg >This is not as bad as the front, especially since there are lower >lateral stresses involved on the rear of the spring. Keep an eye on >these welds, they don't appear to penetrate very well and look like the >process was too cold (high potential for cracking). > >front-pass-frontspring786.jpg >At least from this angle, it looks like the front drop is less than the >rear drop (drop being over stock). This will change the factory caster >angle causing a noticeable change in handling characteristics. > >front-pass-rear-spring770.jpg >Just like the other side, this is probably "ok". Not great, but ok if >you keep an eye on the welds. This picture does not have a close enough >view of the welds but from the other picture they look pretty >questionable. > >frontend788.jpg >You will never get a good solid feel at higher speeds because of the >length of the front shackles. As you corner these will sway back and >forth causing a loose feeling, and creating excessive stress on the >frame brackets and factory welds. This will eventually cause the >factory welds on the spring hangers to fatigue and crack, I have even >seen the hangers cracking themselves in a case like this. I've seen a >lot of vehicles modified like this come in on the alighment rack with >the owners thinking that's all they needed. > >rearspring-ds774.jpg > >From this angle, this one looks ok. It could use a little more >structural bracing, but there are not huge lateral forces exerted on the >rear (not nearly as much as the front). > >rearspring-ps769.jpg >This view bothers me a little bit. Again, these welds don't look real >good. I would at least take it in to a shop with a good welder on staff >and have all these welds touched up making sure they penetrate well. > >I would seriously consider un-doing all the spring hanger work up front >and putting on a set of lift springs instead. The rear should be just >fine with a little extra welding work. > >JC :) - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 16:41:01 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: parts At 07:33 PM 1/5/02 -0500, you wrote: >The Warn hubs sound like the way to go. Are they still available for one >this old?Thank you very much for your help and prompt reply. sure, any 4x4 shop should have 'em. john >Roger >----- Original Message ----- >From: "john" >To: "Roger Wells" >Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 7:15 PM >Subject: Re: parts > > > > > > a new set of warn hubs will only set you back about $65 or so... > > > > your '69 would have had a 232 I-6. The 258 didn't get used until after > > '70. > > > > john > > > > At 07:11 PM 1/5/02 -0500, Roger Wells wrote: > > >Hello John, > > >I'm trying to help a neighbor find a pair of front hubs for a 1969 Jeep > > >Wagoneer. It was a 268 6-cyl model. Do you have anything around there >that > > >might fit? They don't need to be perfect. > > >Thanks for your time! > > >Roger (wells-at-iline.com ) > > >N. Ft. Myers, Fl. > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >------------- > > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >------------------ > > - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 18:44:55 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: the hardest spark plugs ever... You'd think that spark plugs sitting on top of the engine would be real easy to change... well, you're right, the spark plugs are... but getting the stupid ignition coil/boot off of the spark plug has caused me bloodshed... I'm halfway through the 4.7L V8 spark plugs... been at it for some time... the plugs were really worn out, original from the factory. 43,000 miles plus on the clock, but it's probably closer to 50,000 miles, at least... One little serendipity was an AC power cord under the hood. Hmmm, what's this as I cut away tie wraps and yard it out... why it's a factory installed engine block heater... Cool. Don't know if it'll ever get cold enough here to use it, but it's nice to have. Anyone with a WJ 4.7L ought to look on the passenger side way back by spark plug #8 and see if there is a power cord tucked up back in there... Must have been one of those "Dealer Options" where they unravel the cord and charge you $70 to $200. :) The only other rig I've ever run into that had something like this was a Chevy wagon, found a connecter under the dash that operated an electric tailgate release. :) well, I need to mend my wounds, eat dinner and head back out for the next four spark plugs... Any tricks on getting that coil boot off of those plugs? I'm using a pair of water pump pliers and twisting and lifting... can't believe how hard they are to get off... no room in the back by #8 to get in there either... this is going to be a lot of fun... pictures coming later... john - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #1538 **************************