From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Tue Jan 22 20:24:30 2002 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Tuesday, January 22 2002 Volume 01 : Number 1551 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: Re: [WJ-Grand] My 99' JGC was stolen right out of my garage! fsj: Puget Sound Jeep dealer question... fsj: TF727 noise...continued Re: [fsj: Missing and Surging] Re: [fsj: Ignition Upgrade?] fsj: '91 GWag on eBay FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 10:40:31 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: [WJ-Grand] My 99' JGC was stolen right out of my garage! Good NEWS. Glad you got your Jeep back. :) On Mon, 21 Jan 2002, Victor Jorge wrote: >-->Hello everyone, >--> It's back!!! All in one piece!!!! The bastard smoked in it and it >-->now reaks cigarette smoke. The guy even washed it for me!!!! The guy was >-->caught sleeping in it and to boot he is a 3rd striker. He's is a career >-->criminal and he scraped my fox sticker off of my back window. >-->FYI, >-->Victor So he's spending the rest of his life behind bars? Glad that's all that got damaged. It'll clean up ok, get it detailed, your insurance may cover the cost of getting the interior cleaned. john >-->At 11:33 AM 1/18/2002 -0800, john wrote: >-->>On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, Victor Jorge wrote: >-->>San Jose, CA >-->>Thanks John! >-->>On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, Victor Jorge wrote: >-->>Hello fellow Jeepers, >-->>My 1999 JGC was stolen yesterday, right out of my garage, they found >-->>my spare keys in my house when they broke in and drove off with >-->>my Jeep and all they could carry! >-->>So if you guys see a charcoal grey JGC with a small 2" >-->>Fox Racing head (Black and white) on the back window >-->>CALIFORNIA PLATE: 4HLX943 >-->>1999 Jeep Grand Cherokee >-->>Charcoal Gray >-->>Stolen in San Jose, CA January 17/18 - 2002 >-->>Report it! >-->>Who knows where it could be right now! >-->>Keep you guys up to date! >-->>Victor ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux ** (plain text please!) ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 23:30:39 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: Puget Sound Jeep dealer question... Does anyone know of a Seattle-area Jeep dealership who is known to be friendly to the concerns of people who actually take their Jeeps off pavement? Have a friend who is getting some grief from Town & Country. Seems that the Grand Cherokee he has doesn't like dust in the door locks and they fail. They're trying to say that Jeeps aren't supposed to go off-road!!! In the words on the service manager, "Jeep GC is not an off-road vehicle" and because of that they refuse to fix it under warranty!!!! Funny, all the videos, commercials and brochures I have seem to make it out to be that way. The guy hasn't abused his Jeep, he drives it on dusty trails... It seems to me that Service Departments rank lower in the areas of respect than the worst sales team on the planet. I've yet to find a Service Department that I'd recommend, have been satisfied with the cost or happy with the outcome... Anyway, this is kind of a Seattle area question... thanx for your help. (cc me, I'm in digest mode, this is going to a few Jeep lists...:) john - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 16:07:40 GMT From: Ken Gaines Subject: fsj: TF727 noise...continued Well...here's the latest scoop on the "new" tranny... This weekend, I pulled the diff cover to make sure that I had the gear I thought I had....I didn't have the 3.08. The gear in my AMC 20 is (ugh) a 2.73 (41-15 tooth count) gear.(That gear HAS to go bye bye in favor of a 3.54 gear set.) This does not bode well as it means my tranny woes are worsening. I am planning to get a REAL dashboard mounted tach this weekend to see what my engine is really doing. It is turning 2000 rpm in 3rd gear -at- 45mph as measured by my Craftsman dwell tach run through the firewall. This means that my trans ratio (3rd gear) would have to be 1.50. (According to the really neat calculator i found at www.prestage.com) If I am correct, a TF727 has a 3rd gear ratio of 1.00. I know an automatic tranny slips some (usually about 200-300 rpm), but to have a 50% change in effective gear ratio there has to be something wrong with the tranny internally IMHO. Could it be that I just need a flush and filter/fluid change with accompanying rear band adjustment? (BTW...what is the torque spec for the rear band adjustment on the TF727?) I really can't see that something as simple as the filter and/or band adjustment could make this tranny slip THAT much. Should I just skip all the intermediate testing and go straight to my local parts house and purchase a rebuild kit and torque converter for this tranny? The kit is only about $90 for clutches, steels, and bands. I don't think this kit has the valve body "programmer" plate or the filter and gasket (only another $8.00 for the filter/gasket.) How much should I plan to shell out for the lock-up converter? Does $200 sound about right? Now for the REALLY dumb question of the day...remember how I said my kickdown linkage was binding on the brake proportioning valve? Well, we did a backyard- welder temporary fix on it. I broke the press welds with a torch and moved the lower linkage rod in about 0.5" to get it off the linkage. It worked pretty well. I am not sure if I have this thing adjusted properly. It seems to downshift the tranny up to about 35 mph. Is this the right downshift point? The other shift points were NOT affected when I did this. They stayed at 20mph and 35mph respectively. The downshift DID however, become a little more pronounced when I am braking. Just for information, here are the internal ratios for the TF727: 1st: 2.45:1 2nd: 1.45:1 3rd: 1.00:1 Looking at this set of numbers, it would seem that my tranny is not shifting out of 2nd like it should.(2.73 gear, 45mph, 2000rpm, => 1.50 => almost 1.45 2nd gear) I DO in fact feel an upshift at about 35 mph but my engine rpms don't track with what they should be. Is it possible that the tranny is somehow upshifting then downshifting back into 2nd? Wouldn't this indicate that the kickdown is still not properly adjusted? The trouble with this theory is that I am not feeling a downshift with increased throttle opening. Would I even notice the downshift at this speed? So...with that, I am off to work and class. Hope everyone had a great 3-day weekend. Keep on Jeepin'!!!! O)||||||(O Ken ------------------------------ Date: 22 Jan 2002 10:38:36 MST From: Michael Shimniok Subject: Re: [fsj: Missing and Surging] If the alternator is a high amp capacity it may not generate much amperage at low (idle) rpms. The surging/missing may well be a vacuum leak. Check your manifold vacuum with a gauge (from Sears, $20)... Michael "Daniel Beiers" wrote: > Guys, > > My 85 waggy has always had a low idle, slight miss at idle etc. after the > alternator went out, i have noticed more of a power drop when i come to a > stop and the idle is low. before the alt went out the lights would dim with > the miss at a stop sign etc. but now the power drops so low that the radio > is turning itself off and the dash lights are barely detectable. i took new > alt into the store and it tested fine. i mean it is working, the truck is > starting etc. i checked for vacuum leaks tuned it up with new plugs and the > rest of the ignition stuff hoping to fix the slight miss, but to no avail. > i am wondering what is causing this miss and really, the power surging. i > am not prepared to do big overhaul right now so i was wondering what you > guys would do as a remedy for this problem. i was thinking about a deep > cycle battery as my battery is old and could use replacing. perhaps you > guys could offer some more insightful solutions. > > i appreciate any help you can give, > thanks, > dan > > 85 Grand Wagoneer > 86 CJ-7 > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > - --- Michael E. Shimniok KC0EKI "Unix is evil. Daemons run michael.shimniok-at-usa.net wild. Zombies roam and http://www.netcom.com/pw2/~shimniok children are killed. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Jan 2002 10:40:21 MST From: Michael Shimniok Subject: Re: [fsj: Ignition Upgrade?] On the Ford TFI system, they adapt the old style distributor to the new larger, wider cap. They do this with an adaptor that sits where the old cap used to. That must be the 'distributor cap base' they talk about. It simply raises up the cap and adapts the much wider dia cap to the small dia distributor. Michael "Daniel Beiers" wrote: > this article > http://www.ifsja.org/tech/electrical/ignitionupgrade.shtml > calls for a replacement "distributor cap base" what is that? the "dish" > that the distributor connects to, with the spring clips that hold the cap in > place? isn't that part of the distributor itself? or is it removable? have > any of you guys tried this? > > thanks > dan > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > - --- Michael E. Shimniok KC0EKI "Unix is evil. Daemons run michael.shimniok-at-usa.net wild. Zombies roam and http://www.netcom.com/pw2/~shimniok children are killed. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:17:57 CST From: Dan Black Subject: fsj: '91 GWag on eBay A local friend sent me this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=600888046 Nice-lookin' '91, 75Kmi, dark blue ext., light sand interior. Looks like everything works but the overhead console (and that's the same as the Dodge Caravans from that era, so you could get the guts out of one from a junkyard cheap, I'd guess). No rust. In Florida. Currently at $1125 (reserve not met) with 4.75 days left. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Your Super-Secret Indian Name was... Thundering Cloud! -- Uncle Lou - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #1551 **************************