From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Sun Jan 27 21:32:52 2002 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Sunday, January 27 2002 Volume 01 : Number 1554 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: snowing fsj: Re: 82 J10 in vegas fsj: Re: GW transfer case fsj: the heat valve saga... fsj: Re:disc brake conversion fsj: 460 V8 / C6 transmission... RE: fsj: 1982 Jeep J10 w/413 For Sale Re: fsj: GW Transfer case Re: fsj: DAVIS or MSD Re: fsj: Disc Brake conversion ? Re: fsj: Re: 82 J10 in vegas fsj: RE: snow in snohomish... fsj: tires... fsj: Re: [1FSJ] tires... fsj: Re: [1FSJ] tires... fsj: polyurethane bushings fsj: Re: [1FSJ] tires... FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 18:58:12 -0800 From: "Brian Turner" Subject: fsj: snowing Hi John It is also snowing by the hood canal. Was watching the news and seeing the way people drive in Seattle. 85% of wreaks are from SUV's this is from the state patrol. It is nice to have an old time SUV, even if it gets 10 mpg and weight in at over 4000 lbs. Hope your son make it home in the fairlane, drove my falcon for a lot of years and they do not do good in the snow. Mine had a habit of when it got bad it wanted to go back ward down the road. Usually managed to keep it on pavement, but not the greatest backwards driver. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:08:42 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: 82 J10 in vegas pictures look great. I've heard a lot of good things about that 413 in motorhomes. What kind of mileage does it get? If this was a stepside I'd be in need of restraint... ;) john At 09:27 PM 1/26/02 -0500, you wrote: >Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:41:53 -0800 >From: William Prince >Subject: fsj: 1982 Jeep J10 w/413 For Sale >One more posting here. Need to sell by Feb 1, 2002. >Selling My -UNIQUE- 1982 JEEP J10 Pickup. Chrysler 413 'Industrial' /Motor >Home Motor, 727 Trans w/Transfer Case (Was Totally Rebuilt Last Year but >lip seals seem to leak when warm). Excellent body, no rust, custom grill >and hood scoop. Great WORKHORSE. S10 Front seats. Perma-Cool 2900 cfm fan >in front of radiator for extra cooling (on seperate switch). Beautiful >aluminum Rims w/Wrangler 30x15 tires (6 months old), CD Stereo AM/FM. Other >goodies. > >This is -NOT- a smog vehicle, currently licensed in non-smog requirement >county in Nevada. > >See more detail at my website www.wprince.com select the BIG BOY TOYS button. > >Need to sell as too many vehicles and want to finish my race >truck. Original asking price was $5500.00 but what the heck, make me any >reasonable cash offer. - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:06:35 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: GW transfer case At 09:27 PM 1/26/02 -0500, you wrote: >Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:33:00 EST >From: ATBigfoot-at-aol.com >Subject: fsj: GW Transfer case >Does anyone know the difference between the NP 228 and the NP229 transfer >case? The NP228 uses a differentiated unit for the full time mechanism, while the nP229 uses a viscous coupler. The viscous coupler in the NP229 is rather costly. >I have a 1986 GW with 228 transfer case and I am thinking about buying a 229 >out of a 1991 GW that caught on fire and was junked. Will it work and what >are the differences? I think this has been confirmed before by others including Jim Blair, that the NP229 and NP228 are FULLY interchangeable. And if memory serves me correctly the NP219 would also interchange. However I'm not 100% certain on that and my NP219 is 105 miles south of me right now. I do know that the NP219 is two inches longer than my NP208. So, to answer your question, yes the 229 out of the '91 will work fine. john - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:14:29 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: the heat valve saga... the saga of the heat valve on the '77 Cherokee continues... :) I had one hanging on the wall... someone on the list needed one. I sent it off... think I got $20 for it... not even a month later I get a '77 Cherokee... get the exhaust system fixed and discover I need a heat valve... :( a friend down south has one, or so we thought. Went down today to get it, no luck... went to Napa, they want $75 for one. Went to Schucks, list is 65 or something like that, with my business discount I shaved a bit off of that and have it ordered... So I went to fire up the Cherokee and bring it down so we could fix the broken stud in the exhaust manifold or replace the manifold... it won't start... cranks great... pull the air cleaner, choke is open... try to close it, won't... no one around to hold it while I crank, so I go and get starter fluid... come back, it pops and runs for a bit and dies... can't keep it going... wondering if my son didn't drain the tank last time we used it... stay tuned... snow in snohomish and the cherokee has a broke choke and major exhaust leakage... we could be missing church tomorrow... :) (the WJ has street tires, not sure it'll make it up the smooth asphalt with snow on it... we'll see...) john - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:18:12 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: Re:disc brake conversion I did this conversion on my XJ, didn't care much for it... but I heard that if I changed the proportioning valve it would have helped. You might look at StainlessSteel brakes or something like that and probe around on their site to see what they recommend. I'll cc superken, he's done a similar conversion on his '67 Super Wagoneer. I don't think you mess with the master cylinder, but the proportioning valve. On the SJ's I think that may be in the combination valve on the frame on the driver's side... not sure... be careful. :) john At 09:27 PM 1/26/02 -0500, you wrote: >Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:09:56 EST >From: HH4PIZZA-at-aol.com >Subject: fsj: Disc Brake conversion ? > >I have disc brakes on the rear of my grand wagoneer. THey are the explorer >style on a currie 9", well what do I need to do to make them work. I have >heard that there is a valve in the master cylinder that you can take out, is >this true. Or do I need a residual pressure valve. Any ideas, this is a new >one on my. I have not done much in the way of custom brake stuff so I am jsut >trying to figure out what my best plan of attack is. >Thanks, >Dustin - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:51:10 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: 460 V8 / C6 transmission... My son has decided to sell his Ford 460 V8 with the C6 transmission. It's from a '74 Montego. It's a 4v. Unknown miles, but was from a running vehicle and assumed a strong runner. It's north of Seattle, Washington, sitting in our trailer, will deliver within 200 miles, and will make a good deal on my shop crane too... make an offer... it has to go... thanx, john - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:16:27 -0800 (PST) From: Jeremiah Westpfahl Subject: RE: fsj: 1982 Jeep J10 w/413 For Sale Now that's a Horse!! My Father had a motorhome with the 413 engine, that thing would kick down into passing gear & shoot around stuff at 80+mph. Of course it only got 3-4mpg at best. :) Question though, Why the detuned, dog cammed truck motor instead of a hotter 383 or 440? Did you just happen to have a 413 around? Or were you specifically looking more for pulling torque? Miah Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 21:16:49 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: GW Transfer case A: They interchange quite nicely. The difference is the NP229 has a viscous coupler (like a liited slip rear end) and the NP228 hasn't (like a non-posi rear end) The only difference will be noticed in 4 hi. The NP229 will feel like it has slightly more grip. From: ATBigfoot-at-aol.com Does anyone know the difference between the NP 228 and the NP229 transfer case? I have a 1986 GW with 228 transfer case and I am thinking about buying a 229 out of a 1991 GW that caught on fire and was junked. Will it work and what are the differences? ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10, '86 Comanche http://www.geocities.com/eaglemania2002/ http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998 ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 21:27:18 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: DAVIS or MSD A: I would go with the DUI if they have cured the cam gear wipeout problem. I wonder if they have the version that can control EFI available yet? From: HH4PIZZA-at-aol.com Ok I am just trying to get some input on whether to go with a Davis unified ignition distributor, or an MSD or mallory to go with my MSD box. The DUI is more expensive, but it will let me take the MSD box off and use it on my other jeep so it will even out cost wise. SO has anyone used the Davis setup or even MSD or Mallory. Just trying to get some input, Thanks, Dustin ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10, '86 Comanche http://www.geocities.com/eaglemania2002/ http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998 ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 21:31:57 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Disc Brake conversion ? A: The seat the brakeline tightens up against can be pulled out with a screw and claw hammer, and then you can pull the check valve out. Not sure about the brake combo valve. You may have to switch to a manual adjust valve so your rear brakes don't grab harder than the rear (in the snowy/wet weather, this will make the back pass the front or sping out) Personally, I'll stick with my drum rear brakes for stoppability when it's wet out! From: HH4PIZZA-at-aol.com I have disc brakes on the rear of my grand wagoneer. THey are the explorer style on a currie 9", well what do I need to do to make them work. I have heard that there is a valve in the master cylinder that you can take out, is this true. Or do I need a residual pressure valve. Any ideas, this is a new one on my. I have not done much in the way of custom brake stuff so I am jsut trying to figure out what my best plan of attack is. Thanks, Dustin ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10, '86 Comanche http://www.geocities.com/eaglemania2002/ http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998 ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 21:38:56 -0800 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: Re: fsj: Re: 82 J10 in vegas > pictures look great. I've heard a lot of good things about > that 413 in motorhomes. What kind of mileage does it get? Oh PUH-LEEZE. An FSJ owner wondering about gas mileage? Kinda picked the wrong niche vehicle for that requirement :) K ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 01:50:04 -0800 From: "Paul and Megan Kershner" Subject: fsj: RE: snow in snohomish... Went to Jazz Alley for the wife's birthday tonight. Took the V70 XC AWD instead of the GW as its her car of choice... Coming back across 520 bridge - no problemo. Went over 405 on the overpass and about the time we straighten out on the ramp parallel with the 405, the road gets squishy and the car in front is standing on his brakes. I gently pressed on mine and the ABS kicked in. Got down the ramp safely and went slow all the rest of the way home. Slick nearly all the way and then a guy was in front of me doing 30... Oh, well. I got home safely. Scraped the snow and ice off the babysitter's car and advised her (16 yrs old) how to drive the 4 blocks to get home. Didn't hear any crashing... pk - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 6:27 PM To: Recipient list suppressed Subject: fsj: snow in snohomish... I'm not sure I like ABS though... :) Came down the first part of the drive and hit the brakes and didn't slow down... abs kicked in... but didn't slow down... even in neutral... finally tossed it into reverse and THAT stopped me... :) Not cold enough for the mud to freeze, trying to get Mark's Cherokee started so I can fix the exhaust manifold for him... he's out with his Fairlane and we're fearing for the picket fence on his return... (Old Blue - (my '81 Wagoneer Ltd) wiped out the fence in a snow in 1996(?). We finally rebuilt it this summer... john - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - --------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - -------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 12:47:33 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: tires... woke up to snow, and a flat... took the Jeep to Costco after church (after borrowing a compressor at church... hmmm, more than a "slow" leak). Turns out the front tire was leaking on the gash that's been there since we've had it... SOOOOO... need new tires. That means I'll have three good Yokohoma GeoLander H/T's to sell to the best offer in a day or two. Great tires on wet road and on the interstate, but marginal off-road, wet grass mud and just so-so in snow. They are 245/70 R16s, email me off list if you're interested in them. I can take pix of the tread left. Trying to decide between Michelin LTX M/S (like I have on the '77 Cherokee, originally had them on the little wagoneer or the new Michelin Cross Terrains. Does anyone have the Michelin Cross Terrains? recommended or not? I'm not sure if the LTX A/T's (like I have on SuperDawg)are available in the size for a '99 WJ grand cherokee or not. I'd also consider BFG AT Ko's. The Costco Kirkland brand are made by BFG... anyone try any yet? I'm leaning toward the Michelin LTX M/S's. Mostly a street Jeep... the Cross terrains for four are $574.42 the LTX M/S's for four are $496.08 let me know, will head to Discount tire tomorrow... snowing pretty good right now, heading out to fix the exhaust on the '77 Cherokee for my son and put snow tires on the daughter's buick... :) Yeah, like that's going to help her get out of our driveway... rofl... john - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 17:02:08 -0800 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: fsj: Re: [1FSJ] tires... > The Costco Kirkland brand are made by BFG... anyone try any yet? Have them on a 74 cherokee. They're okay. Handle better on dry stuff than BFG A/T's (but that's not hard) with one exception. Jeep suffers from a pushy- loose behavior in the corners. Kinda weird, especially since it has a 1bbl straight six under the hood. Not exactly tire melting power. Off road, they have no problems keeping up with BFG's, even in a rig with open diffs. They seemed to be fairly resilient to rocks off road in Death Valley (well, near ballarat). The flat was gotten at a gas station on pavement at the end of the trip (!). Being wary about the fact you don't have the gnarly thick BFG sidewalls is probably a good idea :) So far, 18k (ish) on them, and they still look brand new. Previous owner put them on, don't know if I'd get them again, because I pretty much am stuck driving something else when it rains. Not looking forward to taking it in the snow either, we'll see. My main complaint about them is they scare the piss out of me when it's wet. They hydroplane VERY easy at 65. And they're 235-75R15's, so they're not huge either. (Well, that and the pushy loose bit, but you can easily drive around it because it happens the same time and feels the same way right before it goes. Always.) > I'm leaning toward the Michelin LTX M/S's. Mostly a street Jeep... > > the Cross terrains for four are $574.42 > the LTX M/S's for four are $496.08 I'm told the cross terrains are not designed for anything but street, but just made to look like they can go offroad. If you want one of the two above, and this jeep will see ANY dirt with these tires, get the LTX's. No complaints with them AFA ride goes, and they seem to last a reasonable amount of time. K ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 17:21:12 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: [1FSJ] tires... BFG AT's that aren't siped scare me on wet roads too... once siped they're fine. Thanx for the assessment of the Kirkland tires, sounds like they skipped the good sidewalls. :) The info I've been reading on the cross terrain indicate it's biased toward all-weather street and performance. The LTX A/T's aren't available in the size I need, at least at costco. If I can't get the Michelin LTX A/T's I will get the M/S, have 'em on my '77 Cherokee, they work fine in all but the gooiest mud... :) john At 05:02 PM 1/27/02 -0800, Kevin Pekarek wrote: > > The Costco Kirkland brand are made by BFG... anyone try any yet? > >Have them on a 74 cherokee. They're okay. Handle better on dry stuff than >BFG A/T's (but that's not hard) with one exception. Jeep suffers from a pushy- >loose behavior in the corners. Kinda weird, especially since it has a 1bbl >straight six under the hood. Not exactly tire melting power. > >Off road, they have no problems keeping up with BFG's, even in a rig with >open diffs. They seemed to be fairly resilient to rocks off road in Death >Valley (well, near ballarat). The flat was gotten at a gas station on pavement >at the end of the trip (!). Being wary about the fact you don't have the >gnarly thick BFG sidewalls is probably a good idea :) > >So far, 18k (ish) on them, and they still look brand new. Previous owner >put them on, don't know if I'd get them again, because I pretty much am >stuck driving something else when it rains. Not looking forward to taking it >in the snow either, we'll see. > >My main complaint about them is they scare the piss out of me when it's wet. >They hydroplane VERY easy at 65. And they're 235-75R15's, so they're not >huge either. (Well, that and the pushy loose bit, but you can easily drive >around it because it happens the same time and feels the same way right before >it goes. Always.) > > > I'm leaning toward the Michelin LTX M/S's. Mostly a street Jeep... > > > > the Cross terrains for four are $574.42 > > the LTX M/S's for four are $496.08 > >I'm told the cross terrains are not designed for anything but street, but just >made to look like they can go offroad. If you want one of the two above, and >this jeep will see ANY dirt with these tires, get the LTX's. No complaints >with them AFA ride goes, and they seem to last a reasonable amount of time. > >K - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 19:27:26 -0600 From: "Brian Tegtmeier (Mec)" Subject: fsj: polyurethane bushings Has anyone put a set of polyurethane bushings on their GW? I was wondering what your experience has been? If so, any brand/type you'd recommend? Thanks, Brian ============================ Brian Tegtmeier <>< Network Admin North Platte Public Schools 308-535-7100 x171 btegtmei-at-esu16.org ============================ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:54:01 -0800 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: fsj: Re: [1FSJ] tires... > BFG AT's that aren't siped scare me on wet roads too... once siped > they're fine. Thanx for the assessment of the Kirkland tires, sounds > like they skipped the good sidewalls. :) The info I've been reading > on the cross terrain indicate it's biased toward all-weather street > and performance. The LTX A/T's aren't available in the size I > need, at least at costco. If I can't get the Michelin LTX A/T's I > will get the M/S, have 'em on my '77 Cherokee, they work fine in all > but the gooiest mud... :) And these aren't siped. Maybe that would make the jeep more tolerable during the not-so dry weather. Don't get me wrong, the sidewalls aren't flimsy (like bfg radial t/a's are (the car tire)), they're just not the super thick ones the at/ko's have. My jeep has LT tires (instead of P-sized), so it has an extra sidewall ply. I didn't air down on that last trip (and didn't have *traction* problems), and they seemed to do fine. Everyone else on the trip was laughing their butts off because I drove through where we went with no lift, open diffs, and price club tires, and did fine (until I got onto pavement and picked up a nail). I've heard nothing but good about LTX M/S's, and a friend of mine uses them on his 88 GW with no problems (he tows a trailer full of dirt bikes with it). They ain't swampers, but swampers are just plain annoying on the street. On the other cherokee I have some industrial goodyears, which are superb on the street, seem to handle wet and snow/ice fine, but aren't TOO great on loose stuff. That truck doesn't see too much wheelin duty, so it doesn't bother me too much. K ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #1554 **************************