From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Tue Feb 19 08:16:55 2002 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Tuesday, February 19 2002 Volume 01 : Number 1571 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [fsj: Re: driveshaft question] Re: [fsj: Re: only 180 days left for the great FSJ Invasion!] fsj: Re: trivia answer Re: [fsj: why Ouray? ] Re: [fsj: tires] Re: [Re: [fsj: tires] ] fsj: 1982 J10 For Sale fsj: exhaust, TBI update fsj: BFG AT 33x12.5 fsj: Re: [FSJeeps] finding a good mechanic fsj: 79 cherokee for sale Re: [fsj: why Ouray? ] fsj: Fwd: Nash truck website fsj: FWD: For Sale - 1989 Jeep Grand Wagoneer in TX (not mine) fsj: got bumper? Re: [Re: [fsj: tires] ] FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 18 Feb 2002 11:13:17 MST From: Michael Shimniok Subject: Re: [fsj: Re: driveshaft question] JohnM, what was the link to the lift kit info article I wrote on your website? It covers the 6" lift and tire fitment and all sorts of other stuff... Michael "Tim Lynn \(jeepbum\)" wrote: > I think the general consensus is that anything over 4" can possibly > constitute the need for a new drive shaft, front and/or rear. You just need > to see how much slip you have left on the joint in the drive shaft. If you > don't mind my asking, how much was the 6" lift. I've never seen it > advertised. > > Tim Lynn > jeepbum77-at-hotmail.com > tlynn-at-sheltonbbs.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 10:29 PM > Subject: fsj: driveshaft question > > > > If i get a 6in sup lift on my 76 J-10 am i going to need to get new drive > > shafts ???? > > ill list below all i get with the kit if theirs anything else that anyone > > knows for sure i will let please let me know > > > > > > 6" Front 5-leaf Spring Packs > > 6" Rear 6-leaf Spring Packs > > 8 Grade 8 U-Bolts with 2" blocks > > Front and Rear Stainless Steel Extended DOT Brake Lines > > Drop Pitman Arm > > 4-Rusty's Hydro Shocks > > > > thanx > > Kenny Owen > > 76 J-10 Honcho > - --- Michael E. Shimniok KC0EKI "Unix is evil. Daemons run michael.shimniok-at-usa.net wild. Zombies roam and http://www.netcom.com/pw2/~shimniok children are killed. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Feb 2002 11:22:01 MST From: Michael Shimniok Subject: Re: [fsj: Re: only 180 days left for the great FSJ Invasion!] Many of the trails in Ouray can be navigated with a stock FSJ and with reasonable caution on the part of the driver. :) If you have 4 wheel drive, good brakes, and some basic gear, then you are set up for wheeling. I'd say leave your CJ home and enjoy what your FSJ can do. :) We're trying to keep the event as FSJ centric as possible. It is the 40th anniversary of the FSJ, after all. We Colorado FSJ folk go wheeling a fair bit. Best place to find out about it is on the mailing list. Start at http://www.cfsja.org/ Michael "Daniel Beiers" wrote: > Hey, I am a CO FSJ owner but its not really setup for wheeling. I would > like the chance to meet and wheel with other FSJers in CO. If I towed my CJ > out there with my Wagoneer could I still wheel with you guys (in the CJ) Or > is it an all big rig event? just thought I would ask... > > Thanks > > Dan Beiers > 85 Grand Wagoneer > 86 CJ-7 - --- 86 GW "Troubled Child" 360/NP208/3"exh/4"lift/31"BFGAT 85 GW "Backhoe" 360/3"exh/2"lift/31"BFGATKO/Lockrite ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 10:28:43 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: trivia answer At 01:11 PM 2/18/02 -0500, fsj-digest wrote: >Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 22:16:35 -0700 >From: "JC Jones" >Subject: fsj: RE: fsj trivia > >Ok, this is completely from memory so forgive any errors. > >- -> FSJ trivia: >- -> >- -> What was the first year of Quadratrac? > >1973. CORRECT (in 1974 they introduced the open knuckle axle with discs) >- -> What was the designator? >Not sure what you mean by designator. BW 1339 (or whatever it was without the low range option, if it was different) Borg Warner... >- -> Initially, what was optional on it? >Low range was optional. exactly... john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 18 Feb 2002 11:29:24 MST From: Michael Shimniok Subject: Re: [fsj: why Ouray? ] More invasion info: http://www.cfsja.org/2002/ Some great pictures of the area. Information about Ouray, Silverton. Preparation tips to stay safe and running. Info about our plans for the invasion. It's all there. We hope to have some more updates and news in the next few weeks. I don't know when registration will be opening but hopefully not too much longer. Thanks, Michael One of the Invasion Event Planners john wrote: > Some of the folks "new" to the FSJ list might wonder... > > "why Ouray"? - --- Michael E. Shimniok KC0EKI "Unix is evil. Daemons run michael.shimniok-at-usa.net wild. Zombies roam and http://www.netcom.com/pw2/~shimniok children are killed. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 10:31:22 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: [fsj: tires] A: I had 32" tires on Elmo with no lift (and believe me there was sag!) and I had to air up my rear shocks for offroad, but didn't fender rub. The 33"/10.5 tires touched if I turned on flat ground, so I would have needed WT fenders on the front. From: Michael Shimniok With 4" lift on a 4 door rig, 32's -might- fit, 31's will fit. You won't fit 33's without risking tire damage offroad or otherwise. By trimming the rear fender opening you can run 33's. From this point to upgrade to 35's you need to add a 2" body lift. Wheel width is important too. Too wide and you may have to trim more. Too narrow and they may rub inside. Michael Dan Black wrote: If I got a 4" lift, what tires could I put on my FSJ ('74 Wagoneer)? I'm looking (long-term) at a SOA conversion in front and a matching lift in back, which most people say ends up being around 4". I was wondering if I could put 35" tires on then. Anybody know how available wider rims are and what width I should get (rims and tires) at that diameter? Anybody have any pics of 33" or 35" tires on their FSJ or stories? In unrelated news, it looks like I finally got the TBI system I got from www.customefis.com running the way it should. Looks like I got virtually everything installed right on the first try except one little detail -- I put the MAP sensor vacuum hose on a timed vacuum port instead of manifold vacuum. (I knew it went on manifold vacuum; just messed up.) The initial results since the change (last night) are very encouraging; I'm definitely eager to see the results in mileage over the next tank (got gas last night to give me a full tank to start with). Was getting 8-10mpg; hoping for 15mpg, which would be quite a difference for such a minor physical change, but entirely possible. I'll keep y'all posted. ;) - - - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - -- I hear and I forget, I see and I remember, I do and I understand. -- Chinese ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10, '86 Comanche http://www.geocities.com/eaglemania2002/ http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998 ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: 18 Feb 2002 11:43:48 MST From: Michael Shimniok Subject: Re: [Re: [fsj: tires] ] I put 31's on my 86 GW with lots of sag. When I had it off road under any kind of noticible articulation the tires rubbed on (and got cut up by) the forward part of the rear fenderwell opening. I solved the problem by pounding in the fender lip and grinding the rocker/quarter seam to match. They kept rubbing but were not damaged further. I wasn't able to air up my shocks. Once I got the 4" lift, no more rub. I have an 85 GW with 31's and a 2" lift in the rear and it also rubs during any kind of articulation offroad, tho to a lesser degree. I did the same fender pounding trick and it worked fine. 33's are popular among CFSJA members with 4-door rigs. One guy has an 87 GW with a 4" superlift and 33's on 10" wheels. He had serious rubbing at the top of the rear fender well. He trimmed about 1-2" around the fenders in back and solved the problem. Another guy with an early 80's Wagoneer was running 33's on 8" rims with a 3" Rough Country lift and WT rear axle and was able to get by with rear fender triming of 2", maybe a little more. Another guy had a early 80's Cherokee Laredo 4dr, 33" tires and 8" rims, had to take about 2" off. A guy with a 78 Wag has a 2" body lift and 4" skyjacker spring lift and is running 35's with rear trimming. Originally on 7" wheels now I think 8" and he's running J-truck axles front and rear. All these rigs have been on many of the local trails that really flex out one's suspension. In other words, the above results are sufficiently field tested. Trails include Holy Cross, Chinaman's Gulch, Hackett Gulch, Longwater Gulch, Spring Creek, and more. It's important to remember that a 33" tire probably isn't really 33" in diameter and spring lifts vary in result, and so forth. In other words, YMMV. :) Michael Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) wrote: > A: I had 32" tires on Elmo with no lift (and believe me there was sag!) > and I had to air up my rear shocks for offroad, but didn't fender rub. > The 33"/10.5 tires touched if I turned on flat ground, so I would have > needed WT fenders on the front. - --- Michael E. Shimniok KC0EKI "Unix is evil. Daemons run michael.shimniok-at-usa.net wild. Zombies roam and http://www.netcom.com/pw2/~shimniok children are killed. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 11:15:57 -0800 From: William Prince Subject: fsj: 1982 J10 For Sale All you confirmed J10 afficianados have an opportunity for acquire a nice 1982 J10! I still need to sell my J10. It has a Chrysler 413 motor and 727 TorqueFlite and Transfer case. Also nice Center;line type aluminum wheels, near new 30x9.5x15 Wranglers, CD Player, Custom Tonneau Cover, Custom Bucket Seats, Permacool 29000 cfm booster fan, and other goodies. Not a PERFECT truck but close enough. It has been my daily driver, very dependable, a good tow vehicle and off-roader. I have spent over $7000.00 on it since I got it in 1999. Current asking price is $4500.00 or best rreasonable cash offer. May consider partial trade-in. See it on my website in the 'BIG BOY TOYS' SECTION. William Prince Las Vegas, Nv (702)248-4183 Email: wprince-at-wprince.com LVR Solo II SUPERSITE: http://www.wprince.com Solo II Worker of the Year 2001
LVR OSP Champion 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999 - 2nd Place BSP 2000 - 1st Place Super Production 1996 LVR Open 2 Wheel RallyCross Champion 1999 2000 LVR SM Champion 2001 CRS RallyCross Group 2/5 Champion 2000 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:07:24 CST From: Dan Black Subject: fsj: exhaust, TBI update Took my '88 GWag in again today for yet another exhaust leak fix. Since the entire system (and I mean _everything_) was brand new a couple years ago, getting kinda annoyed with the leaks. The first two were gaskets - -- a header gasket and a gasket at the heat riser valve -- but I once again forgot to tell them to just take the heat riser out and put in a normal piece. So when they gave it back a couple weeks ago, the heat riser really wasn't clicking at the time, but completely unsurprisingly, it started again. So today I had them replace it with just a spacer they made. And I'm back to a really smooth-sounding system. :) As I told them, I've now had four FSJs, and I've _never_ seen one of those heat risers working. All they do is break and make noise. So I had no desire to replace it with another; I just wanted it out of the equation entirely -- and I think I'll be happier with it this way. On an unrelated topic (besides it being the same vehicle), my TBI system from www.customefis.com is suddenly working a lot better. When I sent him the first results from the laptop, he told me the numbers were waaaay off and suggested really low vacuum. I found a one-way valve on the vacuum line between the manifold and air cleaner that I somehow managed to put on backward, but that wasn't the main problem. I also found that I had plugged in the MAP sensor to the timed vacuum rather than manifold vacuum -- doh! That was it! Suddenly the laptop started getting decent numbers and things were running a bit smoother, especially from a stop. (And no, that wasn't my problem with the Holley system; it was showing the right MAP readings on the laptop. I just screwed it up when I put on the new one.) So I drove to Williamsburg (this is all in Iowa) yesterday, a bit over 100mi away. Actually, that was the longest trip I've taken (well, with me driving my own vehicle) since last July -- I hadn't taken it out of about a 50mi radius. First, got just over 10mpg the first 100mi since the correction; that was all in-town driving and me being very liberal with the gas from many, many stoplights. So then yesterday, all interstate miles, I got just under 12mpg going out and just over 14mpg coming back. Not sure what caused the variation -- not too much wind (for the MidWest), and if anything, it probably would've been blowing the other way. Time and tuning and stuff may tell a bit more of the story. But I was certainly encouraged by the 14mpg on the way back -- that tied my record for best mileage ever in a FSJ; I got just over 14mpg for two tanks once on one of the 2bbl carbs. But those were a fluke; the best I ever got consistently was 13.5mpg on my original 2bbl carb, which had a bad hesitation spot when accelerating from a stop. Also, before fixing the MAP sensor vacuum, it seemed to have a bit more power than with the carb. I especially noticed taking the full-size pickup bed trailer to Marshalltown and back (40mi one-way); it seemed to handle it a lot better than with the carb (or the Holley system). So it'll be interesting to see how it handles the trailer now that it's actually hooked up right. Anyway, we're still hoping to get 15mpg out of it on the highway, but I'd even be satisfied with 14 if it's consistent and can handle the elevation changes in Colorado. And I plan to take it to Colorado hopefully in late May, so that'll probably be the first big test of it for elevation. (I'll definitely take it up Mt. Evans if I can -- paved road to 14150'. Actually made it up with the Holley system last summer, but it didn't like it, and the next morning in my brother's parking lot was when the Holley system died the first time.) Iowa's about 1000', and traditionally my carbed FSJs always sputtered a lot around 5-7K', between Denver and Canon City, and then tended to clear up pretty nicely above that -- usually around 8K' for a couple weeks, and once up around 10K'. Then they'd sputter again coming back down to 5-7K'. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Don't accept rides from strange men, and remember: All men are strange. -- Robin Morgan - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:32:54 CST From: Dan Black Subject: fsj: BFG AT 33x12.5 The reason I was asking about the tire sizes is this bit a friend sent me: 33x12.50/15 BFG All Terrain KO's, 15x10 Eagle 589 rims in 6 on 5.5" bolt pattern for 1/2 ton Chevy trucks or Toyotas. Less than 5k miles on the combo, $600 OBO. Will not ship, but can deliver in the midwest. Should work on our FSJs, but I don't have $600 to spend on it right now, and don't have a lift for it anyway. The guy's in Wisconsin; I can help you connect to him if you're interested. I think the friend is getting some stuff from him, so we may also be able to arrange a transfer to Iowa, and possibly to CO if you're willing to wait til May or so. ;) Oh, and the friend is actually on a honeymoon for a couple weeks, so it might be a couple weeks before I can "make the connection" for you. And of course I can't guarantee he'll still have them at that point. But if anybody wants me to try, let me know. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To be ignorant of one's ignorance is the malady of the ignorant. -- A.B. Alcott A man doesn't know what he knows until he knows what he doesn't know. -- Laurence Peter - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 13:27:29 -0800 From: "Jim B" Subject: fsj: Re: [FSJeeps] finding a good mechanic A: How about it guys? Anyone in Noo Yawk know where this guy can get his Jeep worked on w/o being totally ripped off? - ----- Original Message ----- From: Ross Banfield Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 12:42 PM To: FSJeeps-at-smartgroups.com Subject: [FSJeeps] finding a good mechanic Does anyone know of a good mechanic in the Brooklyn, NYC area that works on these grand wagoneers? Ross Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com If you want to share pictures, use the calendar, or start a questionnaire visit http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/fsjeeps To leave the group, email: fsjeeps-unsubscribe-at-smartgroups.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:13:34 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Daw Subject: fsj: 79 cherokee for sale I'm selling my 79 jeep cherokee cheif. It has a 360, power steering, power brakes, full time 4x4. A rebuilt turbo 400 trans. Power rear window, new 31" bf trail TAs runs and drives great. Still needs some work. I should have some pics in a couple of days asking $4,750 Thanks, Sean ===== For every problem their is a simple and easy solution that is absolutely wrong! --Sean Daw-- Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 17:32:30 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: [fsj: why Ouray? ] We have the folks in Colorado to thank for making this event a reality. We couldn't have done this without you guys! Thanx! And I think Mike Lacher should come, even though he sold his FSJ for, I can't say it... a Japanese 4x4... shudder... ;) john At 11:29 AM 2/18/02 -0700, Michael Shimniok wrote: >More invasion info: http://www.cfsja.org/2002/ > >Some great pictures of the area. Information about Ouray, Silverton. >Preparation tips to stay safe and running. Info about our plans for the >invasion. It's all there. > >We hope to have some more updates and news in the next few weeks. I don't >know when registration will be opening but hopefully not too much longer. > >Thanks, >Michael >One of the Invasion Event Planners > >john wrote: > > Some of the folks "new" to the FSJ list might wonder... > > > > "why Ouray"? > >--- >Michael E. Shimniok KC0EKI "Unix is evil. Daemons run >michael.shimniok-at-usa.net wild. Zombies roam and >http://www.netcom.com/pw2/~shimniok children are killed. - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 00:26:17 -0800 From: "Jim B" Subject: fsj: Fwd: Nash truck website from: "hclutter" To: "AMC-LIST" Subject: Nash truck website. Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 22:00:45 -0500 The web site is www.homestead.com/amchistory then when the page comes up click on the blue buttom for "Nash Trucks". Howard Clutter ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 00:47:20 -0800 From: "Jim B" Subject: fsj: FWD: For Sale - 1989 Jeep Grand Wagoneer in TX (not mine) From: "William 'Bill' Lewis" To: "AMC List" Subject: For Sale - 1989 Jeep Grand Wagoneer Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 22:29:31 -0600 Hi, Offering from my Dad: 1989 Jeep Grand Wagoneer 360 V8 Auto Trans. power steering power brakes power windows power locks 4X4 on the fly Selectrac cold A/C hot heater AM/FM/cassette Class II trailer package tan cloth seats trimmend in leather almost new street tires runs great ready to go city or highway 135,200 well maintained miles $3995 OBO Vehicle is located in Tyler, Texas (half way between Dallas, TX and Shreveport, LA) email pictures available Contact info: Curt Perryman (903) 533-8338 perryman-at-perrymanconsulting.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 00:49:55 -0800 From: "Jim B" Subject: fsj: got bumper? http://home.attbi.com/~mazen54/videos/Kevin_rips_bumper.mpg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 08:27:26 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: [Re: [fsj: tires] ] A: I had the slotted factory aluminum rims (7" I think) with 32/10.5 tires. My 33/10.5/16 tires are really that size (by measuring tape on vehicle) but they are Metric 255/85/16. My 32" tires got some REAL flex too (I had the pictures on Photopoint, but they're gone now) One point I forgot is that GWs are 1-2" lower from the factory than my '83 Cherokee was. From: michael.shimniok-at-usa.net (Michael Shimniok) I put 31's on my 86 GW with lots of sag. When I had it off road under any kind of noticible articulation the tires rubbed on (and got cut up by) the forward part of the rear fenderwell opening. I solved the problem by pounding in the fender lip and grinding the rocker/quarter seam to match. They kept rubbing but were not damaged further. I wasn't able to air up my shocks. Once I got the 4" lift, no more rub. I have an 85 GW with 31's and a 2" lift in the rear and it also rubs during any kind of articulation offroad, tho to a lesser degree. I did the same fender pounding trick and it worked fine. 33's are popular among CFSJA members with 4-door rigs. One guy has an 87 GW with a 4" superlift and 33's on 10" wheels. He had serious rubbing at the top of the rear fender well. He trimmed about 1-2" around the fenders in back and solved the problem. Another guy with an early 80's Wagoneer was running 33's on 8" rims with a 3" Rough Country lift and WT rear axle and was able to get by with rear fender triming of 2", maybe a little more. Another guy had a early 80's Cherokee Laredo 4dr, 33" tires and 8" rims, had to take about 2" off. A guy with a 78 Wag has a 2" body lift and 4" skyjacker spring lift and is running 35's with rear trimming. Originally on 7" wheels now I think 8" and he's running J-truck axles front and rear. All these rigs have been on many of the local trails that really flex out one's suspension. In other words, the above results are sufficiently field tested. Trails include Holy Cross, Chinaman's Gulch, Hackett Gulch, Longwater Gulch, Spring Creek, and more. It's important to remember that a 33" tire probably isn't really 33" in diameter and spring lifts vary in result, and so forth. In other words, YMMV. :) Michael Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) wrote: A: I had 32" tires on Elmo with no lift (and believe me there was sag!) and I had to air up my rear shocks for offroad, but didn't fender rub. The 33"/10.5 tires touched if I turned on flat ground, so I would have needed WT fenders on the front. - --- Michael E. Shimniok KC0EKI "Unix is evil. Daemons run michael.shimniok-at-usa.net wild. Zombies roam and http://www.netcom.com/pw2/~shimniok children are killed. ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10, '86 Comanche http://www.geocities.com/eaglemania2002/ http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998 ************************************** ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #1571 **************************