From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Mon Mar 4 08:40:05 2002 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Sunday, March 3 2002 Volume 01 : Number 1579 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: RE: fsj: Grand Wag Fuel Tank fsj: RE: [FSJ_SE] Grand Wag Fuel Tank Re: fsj: RE: [FSJ_SE] Grand Wag Fuel Tank fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list fsj: TD PERFORMANCE PRODUCTS--Automotive Speed and performance products fsj: Black Jack'$ part$ li$t FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 07:30:17 -0500 From: George Milam Subject: RE: fsj: Grand Wag Fuel Tank Thanks for the info. - -----Original Message----- From: Dan Black [mailto:dan-at-black.org] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 2:22 PM To: Full Size Jeeps Subject: Re: fsj: Grand Wag Fuel Tank George Milam said: {- Does anybody know what the capacity of a stock fuel tank from an '89 Grand {- Wagoneer is? I think 20.3gal was standard on all Grand Wagoneers (i.e., '84-91)... Correct me if anyone knows differently. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Nothing is less productive than to make more efficient what should not be done at all. -- Peter Drucker - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org - -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 07:38:52 -0500 From: George Milam Subject: fsj: RE: [FSJ_SE] Grand Wag Fuel Tank My '89 with a rebuilt 360 and a 2bbl carb drinks like a fish. Is it posssible to strap in a second tank where the spare goes and connect it with the single filler? How would the fuel sending work? Thanks, George Milam '89 Grand Wagoneer "Moose" Vermont - -----Original Message----- From: jbcsailor1-at-aol.com [mailto:jbcsailor1-at-aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 6:03 PM To: FSJ_SE-at-yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FSJ_SE] Grand Wag Fuel Tank It is 20 gallons and change....like 20.17! And is always empty on my '89!!! John C., HHI, SC Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: FSJ_SE-unsubscribe-at-egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 15:40:35 CST From: Dan Black Subject: Re: fsj: RE: [FSJ_SE] Grand Wag Fuel Tank George Milam said: {- My '89 with a rebuilt 360 and a 2bbl carb drinks like a fish. Is it {- posssible to strap in a second tank where the spare goes and connect it with {- the single filler? How would the fuel sending work? It's definitely possible to put in a second tank there; people have put in 20, 30, and even 40gal tanks there. I know they've done them with dual fillers, but I believe some also worked out ways to do it with one. I think someone even managed to get it to have two separate fillers through one nozzle at the end -- but I can't picture how that would work reliably right off. According to an email from John I saved from last May: There are at least two suppliers... arrow tanks is one, can't think of the other right now. jc whitney sells them too... I personally want to add an aux. tank on my '74, and possibly even on my '88. On the '74, I want to get a piece to mount my spare inside (like the smaller, recently-discontinued Cherokees) and put a full 40gal tank where it was -- total capacity would then be 63gal! (Yes, the later models had 20.3gal tanks, as I mentioned I think yesterday, but some of the older ones had different sizes -- mine says it's 23. So neither was a typo -- 20.3 or 23 -- when I said them.) And because the older ones had a bad angle for the nozzle that makes it hard to fill with the automatic cut-offs on pumps today, I would like to get that fixed at the same time. Maybe get parts from a later model from the junkyard and graft them on, then make it look nice when I have the exterior done years from now (cuz that's the second-to-last step of a complete custom job, right before the interior). So if anybody has more detailed info for George and/or specific suggestions for me, by all means, send 'em! :) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Smoking is a leading cause of statistics. -- Fletcher Knebel - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 02:15:00 -0500 From: Richard Welty Subject: fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. 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For more information, see the web site. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 00:36:32 -0800 From: "Jim B" Subject: fsj: TD PERFORMANCE PRODUCTS--Automotive Speed and performance products http://www.tdperformance.com/TDperfrm.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 00:11:57 -0800 From: "Jim B" Subject: fsj: Black Jack'$ part$ li$t A: Tomorrow I finally start to get serious on assembling my J10 project Black Jack (called that because my wife thinks it's a gamble). (So far) STROKER PARTS LIST (and J10 stuff) If I wasn't planning to run LPG in my motor, I would have just bought a ready to go 4.6L stroker motor from Accurate Power *Wakefield Sperling: (Abbotsford, BC Prices are CDN) Motor mounts Energy Suspension 2.1102G $80.00 Trans mount Energy Suspension 3.1108G $40.00 Motor Parts Silvolite #2228 .030 pistons 154.50 Hastings rings 2M667030 49.75 ROD BEARINGS CB960P10 40.44 MAIN BEARINGS MS704P20 79.37 CAM BEARINGS SH549S 30.01 VICTOR GASKETS FS5713 111.66 VALVE SEATS SB1562-1N 32.16 RODS RESIZED ('83 4.2L) 71.58 Labour HOT TANK 4.0L BLOCK 45.00 BORE 4.0L 0.030 6 CYL 86.40 RESURFACE 4.0L BLOCK 81.00 MAGNAFLUX 4.0L BLOCK 37.80 INSTALL CAM BEARINGS 32.40 GRIND '83 4.2L CRANK (MINE) 138.60 3 WAY VALVE GRIND '88 HEAD 210.00 INSTALL 6 STAINLESS? SEATS 86.40 VALVE GUIDES AND SHL PLUG 26.08 SHOP EQUIP AND DISPOSAL 25.08 PST 91.92 GST 93.67 __________________________________ TOTAL $CDN $1523.74 *Olympic 4x4 parts: (Snohomish, WA prices are USD) 4.0L CYLINDER HEAD CORE 160.00 4.0L Valve cover 34.00 4.0L flywheel ('88) 40.00 2" body lift kit (perf access #902) 87.95 *A United parts (BC, Canada) AW4 auto trans from '95 XJ CDN 570.00 *New Process transfercase (either my present 2.6:1 NP208 or a 4:1 custom unit) *Gitt springs 3" custom lift 2 MX Q97-402A 310.04 3" custom lift 2 MZ Q97-491A 295.62 TAX 52.09 TOTAL USD 657.75 SPRING UBOLTS 67.33 *Scotty's bumpers and nerfs (price is hiding, but I recall $1500) *LES SCHWAB TIRES Avon LT255/85R/16 tires (33.5"x10.5") + '88 Chev 4x2 aluminum 16" rims 950.00 *VANCOUVER CORE SUPPLY CORE '89 4.0L block 100.00 '99 4.0L Crank Girdle 75.00 #707 V8 RODS (WRONG ONES) 60.00 *PRECISION DRIVESHAFTS AND DIFFS MODEL 20 CHROME COVER 40.64 *B&B PARTS (bought before I went to work for Schuck's) TRANS COOLER 10.00 MODEL 20 SEALS AND BEARINGS ABB M86649 pinion inner 7.79 ABB M86610 pinion outer 3.59 ABB LM501314 WHEEL 2 of 8.58 ABB LM501349 side carrier 2 of 16.38 ABS 7687S AXLE SEALS 2 of 9.38 total with tax approx 50.00 (will probably sell this axle stuff now I'm switching to a custom shafted rear axle Dana 60-2) Brake shoes FR462 (or 474) 16.99 Brake hold down kit H7208 9.49 CM52 Brake pads(bought long ago) 25.00 *1-800-RADIATOR #583 3 CORE V8 CJ RAD(FITS J10) 125.00 *PERPETUAL BALANCE Balanced 4.2L crank and rods, and 4.0L pistons, flywheel and balancer (prices are hiding here somewhere) *PARTS AMERICA.COM Oil pump kit Dynagear DK-81A 16.00? Timing gear set DYN 73079 50.00? *PRIVATE PARTS USED LOW MILEAGE HO CAM $35.00 +3" Trailmaster shocks from Jerry 40.00 also Dana 44 4.09 gears (used) LPG tank (traded stuff) FROM '89 CHEROKEE parts truck Complete Renix EFI, sensors, trans computer, engine brackets, accessories and exhaust manifold + gas tank and fuel lines (other stuff too) 160 KMPH speedo from a buddy on the net 20.00 *PARTS I HAD ALREADY '83 4.2L core (from my Eagle) for rods and crank for stroker (turned out afterwards it was already a Mexican stroker) '84 J10 with NP208 (Black Jack) $1000.00 A: Still LOTS more to go before final assembly! Tomorrow the stock gas tank comes out (and will likely be headed to TX shortly), and the stock (or are they already lifted?) springs start to come out so I can redo the gears and put in the 3" lift for the front, plus build a SOA into the axle, then I'll sell my 3" rear lift and get 9" to match the front (3" spring, plus spring thickness, plus axle tube thickness and spring pads will be about 9" from my best guesstimate) I hope to get the truck in the garage to start this stuff so weather doesn't get in my way, but that's going to take a LOT of shuffling! I'm shocked to see the longbox '87 Comanche's canopy fit nearly perfectly on my J10 shortbox! I have to dig out my motor mount brackets and stuff for the 4.2L and mount in the 4.0L I have right now and make it run to test my wiring job before installing the stroker and 4 speed auto. Well, time to hit the sack, but tomorrow will be here soon! I won't be on the lists much for awhile (unless my body hurts too much to work on this) ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #1579 **************************