From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Sun Apr 7 10:47:02 2002 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Friday, April 5 2002 Volume 01 : Number 1612 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: More wiring fsj: Mesa Verde National park, seeing the ruins? fsj: Re: 63 Willys Wagoneer Update fsj: Re: Rear deflector fsj: Re: Differential work Re: fsj: Re: Trans. repair/fluid...?? Re: fsj: Re: Trans. repair/fluid...?? Re: fsj: Re: Trans. repair/fluid...?? fsj: Ancient Indian Ruins in Mesa Verde thurs Aug. 15? in Ouray Co Re: fsj: Re: Trans. repair/fluid...?? fsj: RE: 63 Willys Wagoneer Update fsj: RE: Re: Rear deflector fsj: Thinking Of Buying a 83 or 85 Jeep Grand Wagoneer.... fsj: Re: east coast adventures SAT APR6 FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 15:13:50 -0800 (PST) From: Alexander Wall Subject: fsj: More wiring OK - I'm getting a lot of info from you knowledgeable folks, thank you all! Can anyone explain to me the *purpose* of the resistor wire in the wiring harness? It just seems nonsensical to have a resistor in an electrical system! I'm not sure that it is a fusible link, because I've always heard of these as very short wires. It's brown, goes all the way from the firewall junction to the battery-side of the fender-mounted starter-solenoid, and has soft, thick insulation. I fear that when this wire fried, it took some of the others with it, explaining the complete lack of electricity to any systems. I'm not sure about carving up the packaged factory wiring harness in search of cooked wires - they could be anywhere! At this point, without a vehicle at all, I'm considering gritting my teeth and buying another wiring harness, whole. I am going to tear into my dash to cut out of the system that ammeter that I have been told about. If that's what caused this, I'm not happy. Alex ===== Alexander Wall Spokane, WA ================================================================================= "Where there's a will, there's a way." - Eliza Cook "Where there's a way, there's a construction crew disrupting traffic!" - Alex Wall ================================================================================= Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 21:15:25 -0600 From: "R.J. Baynum" Subject: fsj: Mesa Verde National park, seeing the ruins? How far is it?. sounds like a plan.. I wonder how many people would want to go? Could you add it to the web site for thursday? Do we go by it on the way in? maybe we should spend Wednesday night there ( me and the wife) and meet people there? depends how far it is from Ouray. I would like to hear from others, to hear what they think, I want to do some photo op. on Landscape and FSJ's.. on the way, and pack a lunch too... Let me know.. R.J. 80 J-10 Honcho Huntsville AL. R.J. -- I've posted an updated event and trail run schedule and a few other changes (like all our sponsors!) early this morning. Check it out at http://www.cfsja.org/ If you have questions about the area or the trails or stuff like that our web site answers many of these questions or points you to other sites that have information. The ancient indian ruins sounds great. You should informally organize a run down to Mesa Verde. Thu would be your best day; nothing special going on that day. Or you could skip the "bring your own grub" picnic in Animas Forks on Friday. It might be hard to get back for the BBQ Sat. This trip may be a once in a lifetime for a number of people, actually, so be sure to get out of it what you want, don't miss any opportunities. You will find tremendous inspiration as a landscape photographer in this area. Just look at the Recon photos on the web site and extrapolate what would happen if you took shots at ideal times of day with a tripod. You should also think about organizing a "photographer's run" where a bunch of shutter bugs can run a short scenic trail one day and take all the time in the world to set up shots. (DO BE CAREFUL if you do a sunrise or sunset shoot-- it is NOT trivial driving off-road in the dark, lights or no). (Btw, what kind of camera do you shoot? I use a Nikon FA and a Nikkormat and a reasonably complete kit of AIS lenses all atop a Bogen 3001 tripod sporting a 3030 3-way head) The 4-wheel-drive loop mentioned is probably the "Alpine Loop Trail" which takes two days to complete. Honestly, I don't recommend it because there are much more beautiful trails which are also shorter. I do recommend California Gulch, Clear Lake, Buffalo Boy Mine, Picayne/Placer Gulches, Minne Gulch, and Maggie Gulche from personal experience. They offer many amazing photo opportunities. There are other scenic trails in the area too. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 05:52:12 -0600 From: "Vince Orr" Subject: fsj: Re: 63 Willys Wagoneer Update Jeff: Are you going to put the Dana 27 back in? As I recall, that is closed knuckle and not all that desireable. You thinking about keeping the Willys stock or swapping in a better axle? Curious in Chicago..... - --Vince '81 FSJ '99 TJ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Faith Jeff" To: Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 2:03 PM Subject: fsj: 63 Willys Wagoneer Update > Hi all, > > This last weekend I got the front DANA 27 axle and front leaf springs > removed. Still waiting for new springs...maybe this week i get them? Then > I'll figure out how to put it all back together. Everything came out > without trouble. All the bolts and nuts turned reasonably easily. I > snipped the flexible brake lines as they need replacing anyway. > > It's currently resting with the frame up on blocks and jack-stands right > now..so every other work-project is on hold until i get some wheels under it > again. I don't exactly like the idea of crawling under and in and in it > right now.... > > Later, > Jeff > > > > > This electronic message transmission, including any attachments, contains information from Prescription Solutions which may be confidential or privileged. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. > > If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately by a "reply to sender only" message and destroy all electronic and hard copies of the communication, including attachments. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 06:25:11 -0600 From: "Vince Orr" Subject: fsj: Re: Rear deflector George: Just picking up this post but I think I remember one at a junkyard off of Kingery Highway (83) here in Chicago. I pulled some parts off a tan FSJ grand wagoneer once at the Cal-Sag boneyard. The vehicle is buried clear in the back and it is a long hike. I'd offer to pull it off and ship it to you but I am really busy right now. However, I'm pretty sure there was one there 2 years ago. It may need a new coat of chrome. Good luck. Cal-Sag Auto parts and wreckers 107th & Route 83 Lemont, IL 800-339-9909 - --Vince '81 Wag '99 TJ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Milam" To: "full size jeep list" ; ; ; Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 12:20 PM Subject: fsj: Rear deflector > Hello all: > > Does anybody out there in the world of FSJ's have for sale or know where I > can pick up a rear air deflector for my '89 Wag. I know that they are > somewhat hard to come by. I am willing to trade a tanish FSJ interior > colored cargo cover (great cond.) or pay cash. > > Any ideas appreciated. > > Thanks, > > George > '89 Grand Wagoneer "Moose" > VT > > George Milam > Culinary Steward > > The Equinox Resort > Manchester Village Vermont > 802/362.7817 > <> > > [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of George Milam (E-mail).vcf] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 07:32:27 -0600 From: "Vince Orr" Subject: fsj: Re: Differential work Can't tell if you got any answers on your post Alex so here goes. Never done this myself but I know when you buy gears from someone like "Randy's ring and pinion" you get installation instructions that are pretty good. Also, check out the "Do it yourself Dana" in the March 2002 JP Mag. If you can't get your hands on the article, let me know. The trick I remember is that they suggest you hone out the inside of a couple of carrier bearings so you can dismantle easily to add or take away shims. When you get it right, then put on a set of non-honed bearings and keep the honed set for later R&P jobs. I don't think I'll have time or money to rebuild my axles before Ouray. I'm barely going to have my rebuilt motor in at this rate. The Ouray trip will probably break in the new motor good and seat the rings. Only thing I'm worried about is that I think my Dana 44 ujoints are weak. I won't be hammering the Rez up any steep stuff. I want to tow over my TJ but now I'm considering trading it in this fall for a new TJ Rubicon, so.....I guess I won't be too daring during this trip. - --Vince '81 FSJ '99 TJ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexander Wall" To: "1FSJ YahooGroups" <1FSJ-at-yahoogroups.com>; "FSJ Digest" Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 3:45 PM Subject: fsj: Differential work > HELP! > > I bought the gears I wanted from Jim, but now I'm being quoted $600-$900 for the labor switching > them. One guy was talking about bearing kits as well. > What's involved here? Is this something I can do with good tools, a level head and a spare > vehicle to drive in the interim? I thought I had read something about "shims" in a differential, > and one of the places said something about the axle spacing. I know nothing about this stuff, but > I don't have $600 to get this done. Has anyone had any experience here? > > Thanks in advance! > > Alex > > > ===== > Alexander Wall > Spokane, WA > ============================================================================ ===== > "Where there's a will, there's a way." - Eliza Cook > "Where there's a way, there's a construction crew disrupting traffic!" - Alex Wall > ============================================================================ ===== > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 13:49:31 GMT From: Ken Gaines Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Trans. repair/fluid...?? Great write-up Jim...here's a little more from the chemistry side of things. As any paraffin-based oil heats up, it starts to become acidified. This happens as the actual molecules in the oil react with things like water (there's always some) in the oil. When this happens, it is cascades as well because the acid produced can subsequently catalyze another reaction in the hydrocarbon oil. This reaction is called "acid-catalyzed addition of water" and is pretty well- known by just about any college junior that has taken organic chemistry. The reaction produces...yep...more acidic products. As you can see, it definitely can cascade on itself. This is part of the reason that oils lose their viscosity. "Life is a journey that's measured not in miles or years, but in experiences" - -Jimmy Buffett "A Pirate Looks at Fifty" 1998 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 09:48:48 -0600 From: "R.J. Baynum" Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Trans. repair/fluid...?? wow... he's smart... cool.... Wish i was .. R.J. Ken Gaines wrote: > Great write-up Jim...here's a little more from the chemistry side of things. > As any paraffin-based oil heats up, it starts to become acidified. This happens > as the actual molecules in the oil react with things like water (there's always > some) in the oil. When this happens, it is cascades as well because the acid > produced can subsequently catalyze another reaction in the hydrocarbon oil. > This reaction is called "acid-catalyzed addition of water" and is pretty well- > known by just about any college junior that has taken organic chemistry. The > reaction produces...yep...more acidic products. As you can see, it definitely > can cascade on itself. This is part of the reason that oils lose their > viscosity. > > "Life is a journey that's measured not in miles or years, but in experiences" > -Jimmy Buffett > "A Pirate Looks at Fifty" > 1998 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 11:04:21 -0500 (EST) From: David Charles Gedraitis Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Trans. repair/fluid...?? You can be smart too! Just enroll in my "insta-brains" course. try the first lesson, and if you like it, sign up for the rest. The first lesson is called "Learning good judgement". It's only $27.62, send it to me, and you'll start learning about all kinds of judgement right away.... ~dave "The very existence of flamethrowers proves that some time, somewhere, someone said to themselves, 'You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done" -George Carlin On Fri, 5 Apr 2002, R.J. Baynum wrote: > wow... he's smart... cool.... > Wish i was .. > R.J. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 10:46:13 -0600 From: "R.J. Baynum" Subject: fsj: Ancient Indian Ruins in Mesa Verde thurs Aug. 15? in Ouray Co Who wants to see the Ancient Anasazi indian ruins ( very famous ) in the Mesa Verde National park, Thursday Aug. 15, as a side trip, and maybe some waterfall or landscape /nature photography shots on trails and packing a really good lunch?.. grin It will be a Blast, I promise! I will make sure we have everything and everything is covered! I am a perfectionist at trips off road and camping and such, Also a Scoutmaster for many years, there is not much I not prepared for.. The web site , http://www.CFSJA.org has been updated , the planner has been updated, So please visit the site! This Side trip I think is best done on , Thursday Aug. 15, since I was told there was not much going on.. there are some trail runs scheduled, they are doing, . however can be done on another day, since they will be doing it for three days.. ( I might stay an extra day myself..) It seems the best day to do this. This is one of the parks, on my Great big list of things to do, of things to see in person, before I kick the the bucket of life. Sure I could always go back.. but god knows when I will have a chance like it again.. or when the good lord tips my bucket of life over with his big toe.. Could use a rough idea what people think , and who would really like to go. I am thinking of spending Wednesday night close by, and rolling in Ouray CO. on thursday evening.. only if it is more then a 30 minute drive from Ouray. I think it's like 80 miles away.... I am not sure 100% as yet.. I will contact the park and make the arrangements, and then have it posted on the web site. Just imagine.. Get the info pack, I sent a email earlier to the group about.. write an e mail for it, they will send to you for free, ...it will show you more about it.. it's really very scenic! Please let let me know soon.. it's important.. R.J. Baynum 1215 Blevins Gap rd. SE Huntsville AL. 35802 256-881-8018- cell.. 256-527-4036 Details see the updated planner, at http://www.CFSJA.org I will post to web site later more details.. Please always feel to give me a call for anything, or questions or concerns you may have or drop me a snail mail line.. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 10:48:15 -0600 From: "R.J. Baynum" Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Trans. repair/fluid...?? LOL!! rolling right out of the Chair!LOL ROFL! R.J. David Charles Gedraitis wrote: > You can be smart too! Just enroll in my "insta-brains" course. try the > first lesson, and if you like it, sign up for the rest. The first lesson > is called "Learning good judgement". It's only $27.62, send it to me, and > you'll start learning about all kinds of judgement right away.... > > ~dave > > "The very existence of flamethrowers proves that some time, somewhere, > someone said to themselves, 'You know, I want to set those people over > there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done" > -George Carlin > > On Fri, 5 Apr 2002, R.J. Baynum wrote: > > > wow... he's smart... cool.... > > Wish i was .. > > R.J. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 10:50:37 -0800 From: "Faith Jeff" Subject: fsj: RE: 63 Willys Wagoneer Update the dana-27 is not going back in...(it is closed knuckle...crossover steering too) i have a spring-over dana-44 with disks to go up front, and a GM-12-bolt rear axle with drums to go in the back. both axles are the same truck. my wag becoming very customized..have already torn out the 230 I-6 and T-90 / spicer-20 for a chevy 350 with 3 speed auto trans, and np203 xfer case. i'm touching everything...the axles, brakes, steering, suspension, motor, trans... i might keep the stock steering wheel and column... maybe one day i'll even get to drive the thing!! maybe it will even make it back to the house!!! hahahaha later, jeff > -----Original Message----- > From: Vince Orr [SMTP:vorr-at-attbi.com] > Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 3:52 AM > To: Faith Jeff; FSJ List > Subject: Re: 63 Willys Wagoneer Update > > Jeff: > Are you going to put the Dana 27 back in? As I recall, that is closed > knuckle and not all that desireable. You thinking about keeping the > Willys > stock or swapping in a better axle? > Curious in Chicago..... > --Vince > '81 FSJ > '99 TJ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Faith Jeff" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 2:03 PM > Subject: fsj: 63 Willys Wagoneer Update > > > > Hi all, > > > > This last weekend I got the front DANA 27 axle and front leaf springs > > removed. Still waiting for new springs...maybe this week i get them? > Then > > I'll figure out how to put it all back together. Everything came out > > without trouble. All the bolts and nuts turned reasonably easily. I > > snipped the flexible brake lines as they need replacing anyway. > > > > It's currently resting with the frame up on blocks and jack-stands right > > now..so every other work-project is on hold until i get some wheels > under > it > > again. I don't exactly like the idea of crawling under and in and in it > > right now.... > > > > Later, > > Jeff > > > > > > > > > > This electronic message transmission, including any attachments, > contains > information from Prescription Solutions which may be confidential or > privileged. The information is intended to be for the use of the > individual > or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware > that > any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this > information is prohibited. > > > > If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please > notify > the sender immediately by a "reply to sender only" message and destroy all > electronic and hard copies of the communication, including attachments. > > > This electronic message transmission, including any attachments, contains information from Prescription Solutions which may be confidential or privileged. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately by a "reply to sender only" message and destroy all electronic and hard copies of the communication, including attachments. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 15:39:59 -0500 From: George Milam Subject: fsj: RE: Re: Rear deflector Vince: Thanks a bunch for the contact. I'll try 'em and see if they can help me out. If anyone else on the list has any leads as to where I can find a rear air deflector I'd really apreciate it. Thanks, and have a nice weekend! George Milam '89 Grand Wagoneer Vermont - -----Original Message----- From: Vince Orr [mailto:vorr-at-attbi.com] Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 7:25 AM To: George Milam; fsj-at-digest.net Subject: fsj: Re: Rear deflector George: Just picking up this post but I think I remember one at a junkyard off of Kingery Highway (83) here in Chicago. I pulled some parts off a tan FSJ grand wagoneer once at the Cal-Sag boneyard. The vehicle is buried clear in the back and it is a long hike. I'd offer to pull it off and ship it to you but I am really busy right now. However, I'm pretty sure there was one there 2 years ago. It may need a new coat of chrome. Good luck. Cal-Sag Auto parts and wreckers 107th & Route 83 Lemont, IL 800-339-9909 - --Vince '81 Wag '99 TJ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Milam" To: "full size jeep list" ; ; ; Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 12:20 PM Subject: fsj: Rear deflector > Hello all: > > Does anybody out there in the world of FSJ's have for sale or know where I > can pick up a rear air deflector for my '89 Wag. I know that they are > somewhat hard to come by. I am willing to trade a tanish FSJ interior > colored cargo cover (great cond.) or pay cash. > > Any ideas appreciated. > > Thanks, > > George > '89 Grand Wagoneer "Moose" > VT > > George Milam > Culinary Steward > > The Equinox Resort > Manchester Village Vermont > 802/362.7817 > <> > > [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of George Milam (E-mail).vcf] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 17:08:48 -0600 From: "R.J. Baynum" Subject: fsj: Thinking Of Buying a 83 or 85 Jeep Grand Wagoneer.... Billy, you really need to post this over at the FSJ lists.. Because it is a better un biased area, they will not lie to you about any potential problems. And what for? and why would they? Your roommate don't know jack! And a matter of fact, Today, I met a New FSJ owner who bought a Grand Wagoneer, I believe it's a 88? From Texas, for 10,000, the book value, They live here in huntsville. I invited them to join the list.. she was thrilled! And she traded in her new Volvo, to get this. Her Insurance guy said it was the nicest GW he has ever seen, and was very well worth the 10 grand! I saw it today, , it was gold with wood grain, and it was totally cherry! man it was so nice , I think I got a woody! so clean it looked completely new inside and out! Anyway , She said she absolutely LOVES it! And... can not imagine why she did not get one earlier! They are becoming Collector's Item's as well Look up the Blue book value.. on a clean one.. the price will astonish you And I quote.. But that is an unbiased opinion.. R.J. 80 J-10 Honcho Huntsville AL. Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 05:45:35 -0000 From: "Billy_Burrew" Subject: Thinking Of Buying a 83 or 85 Jeep Grand Wagoneer.... I was hoping to see if anyone could point out any potential problems that I should keep my eyes open for. Right now I'm driving an older Mercedes Benz wagon and just need something bigger for taking trips with my dogs AND my clothes and stuff.....there's just not enough room in the wagon. I really love the look of the Grand Wagoneer, but my roommate keeps telling me that it has all sorts of problems inherent with it (and that Jeeps in general sucked until Chrysler took them over) and that if I buy it, it'll be an albatross. So....if anyone can give me some relatively unbiased info on this...I'd DEARLY appreciate it. Many Thanks - -Bill billy_burrew-at-yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 15:09:59 -0800 From: john meister Subject: fsj: Re: east coast adventures SAT APR6 school's out for the weekend... class went well. so... SATURDAY's ADVENTURE: heading down to Washington DC. pulling out early in the AM, meeting up with a Dr/missionary friend down in Falls Church around noon, might try to visit the Smithsonian... ??? ideas? 4 hr drive there and 4hr back... rental car got replaced, have a nice new Grand Prix... :) it has cruise control... much better than that little starfirt or whatever it was called that pulled terribly to the left... :) If you're along the way and want to meet, email me ASAP with a number and location, and I'll get you my cell number and maybe we can meet for coffee. I'll be leaving from Mount Pocono, PA and heading to Falls Church, VA, you can check mapquests and see how they routed me. :) I may try to make it to the campus of U of Maryland, have two degrees there, never set foot on campus... ;) one more week, then back to the other coast. :) john - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com often via PINE on Linux ** (prefer plain text emails please!) ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #1612 **************************