From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Fri May 3 21:08:38 2002 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Saturday, May 4 2002 Volume 01 : Number 1636 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [fsj: solenoids] Re: [fsj: More altitude = more timing ?] Re: [fsj: More altitude = more timing ?] Re: [fsj: More altitude = more timing ?] Re: fsj: who did that gm hydro-boost Re: [fsj: More altitude = more timing ?] Re: fsj: who did that gm hydro-boost conversion? fsj: watching JeepTV [none] fsj: Re: stall problem FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 13:52:43 -0600 From: Michael Shimniok Subject: Re: [fsj: solenoids] All Electronics sells door lock actuators for $5 each. http://www.allelectronics.com/ I think. I have not actually done the conversion yet. :( I am certain there will be some engineering required. Hopefully not much. Michael JeepNut wrote: > Hi all, > I know folks have used some car alarm parts to replace the door lock > actuators. And I recall some place... was it All Electronics?... > Anyone have contact info? > Anyone actually done this? > Are they bolt in or some slight "engineering" required? > JeepNut > > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > '87 Street Comanche #24/100 > '88 Grand Wagoneer ...and they say there's only one... > '92 Cherokee > ---------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Michael E. Shimniok - KC0EKI - Michael.Shimniok-at-usa.net "For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong." - H. L. Menken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 13:14:42 -0700 From: "Darrell Ramey" Subject: Re: [fsj: More altitude = more timing ?] I probably have this screwed up but if you advance your timing the engine runs richer. A richer running engine with less air doesn't seem like a good combination to me. I believe if you retard the timing, = lean + less air. But what the heck, I kinda like the smell of raw fuel being dumped out the exhaust amidst the thick black smoke. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Shimniok" To: ; Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [fsj: More altitude = more timing ?] > My understanding is that when one drives a non-computer rig up to higher > altitude, base timing should be advanced. This may even be true of computer > controlled engines if the altitude is high enough. > > Michael > > Tesar Landon-r16884 wrote: > > thinking about getting ready for Ouray. Can timing be advanced where > cylinder pressures are reduced by thin air? > > I advanced my timing after getting the turbo muffler put on, put on a coat > of wax, and conditioned the weatherstripping, picking up a little pep > everywhere possible. Hold together, baby. > > Also, family is getting interested in popup trailers, perfect reason to > keep > the wag. > > > > - Landon > > '89 GW > > Austin > > > > --- > Michael E. Shimniok - KC0EKI - Michael.Shimniok-at-usa.net > "For every complex problem, there is a solution that > is simple, neat, and wrong." - H. L. Menken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 13:19:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Alexander Wall Subject: Re: [fsj: More altitude = more timing ?] Why would advancing the timing make an engine run richer? I thought it simply made the plugs fire earlier in the cycle. This might allow some of the fuel to exit the cylinder unburned, but I don't think that means there is more fuel being dumped into the engine. Just looking to learn... Alex - --- Darrell Ramey wrote: > I probably have this screwed up but if you advance your timing the engine > runs richer. A richer running engine with less air doesn't seem like a good > combination to me. I believe if you retard the timing, = lean + less air. > But what the heck, I kinda like the smell of raw fuel being dumped out the > exhaust amidst the thick black smoke. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Shimniok" > To: ; > Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 12:50 PM > Subject: Re: [fsj: More altitude = more timing ?] > > > > My understanding is that when one drives a non-computer rig up to higher > > altitude, base timing should be advanced. This may even be true of > computer > > controlled engines if the altitude is high enough. > > > > Michael > > > > Tesar Landon-r16884 wrote: > > > thinking about getting ready for Ouray. Can timing be advanced where > > cylinder pressures are reduced by thin air? > > > I advanced my timing after getting the turbo muffler put on, put on a > coat > > of wax, and conditioned the weatherstripping, picking up a little pep > > everywhere possible. Hold together, baby. > > > Also, family is getting interested in popup trailers, perfect reason to > > keep > > the wag. > > > > > > - Landon > > > '89 GW > > > Austin > > > > > > > > --- > > Michael E. Shimniok - KC0EKI - Michael.Shimniok-at-usa.net > > "For every complex problem, there is a solution that > > is simple, neat, and wrong." - H. L. Menken ===== Alexander Wall Spokane, WA ================================================================================= "Where there's a will, there's a way." - Eliza Cook "Where there's a way, there's a construction crew disrupting traffic!" - Alex Wall ================================================================================= Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 14:24:04 -0700 From: "Darrell Ramey" Subject: Re: [fsj: More altitude = more timing ?] OK. I'm going to have to do my homework. It's just something that has stuck with me since I was in tech school, uhhhhhh, twenty years ago. It might just be emission related but I agree, more timing equals more power (to a certain point). But with the higher altitude you want a lean running engine. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexander Wall" To: Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [fsj: More altitude = more timing ?] > Why would advancing the timing make an engine run richer? I thought it simply made the plugs > fire earlier in the cycle. This might allow some of the fuel to exit the cylinder unburned, but I > don't think that means there is more fuel being dumped into the engine. > > Just looking to learn... > > Alex > > --- Darrell Ramey wrote: > > I probably have this screwed up but if you advance your timing the engine > > runs richer. A richer running engine with less air doesn't seem like a good > > combination to me. I believe if you retard the timing, = lean + less air. > > But what the heck, I kinda like the smell of raw fuel being dumped out the > > exhaust amidst the thick black smoke. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Michael Shimniok" > > To: ; > > Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 12:50 PM > > Subject: Re: [fsj: More altitude = more timing ?] > > > > > > > My understanding is that when one drives a non-computer rig up to higher > > > altitude, base timing should be advanced. This may even be true of > > computer > > > controlled engines if the altitude is high enough. > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > Tesar Landon-r16884 wrote: > > > > thinking about getting ready for Ouray. Can timing be advanced where > > > cylinder pressures are reduced by thin air? > > > > I advanced my timing after getting the turbo muffler put on, put on a > > coat > > > of wax, and conditioned the weatherstripping, picking up a little pep > > > everywhere possible. Hold together, baby. > > > > Also, family is getting interested in popup trailers, perfect reason to > > > keep > > > the wag. > > > > > > > > - Landon > > > > '89 GW > > > > Austin > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > Michael E. Shimniok - KC0EKI - Michael.Shimniok-at-usa.net > > > "For every complex problem, there is a solution that > > > is simple, neat, and wrong." - H. L. Menken > > > ===== > Alexander Wall > Spokane, WA > ============================================================================ ===== > "Where there's a will, there's a way." - Eliza Cook > "Where there's a way, there's a construction crew disrupting traffic!" - Alex Wall > ============================================================================ ===== > Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness > http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 14:24:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Thomas Anhalt Subject: Re: fsj: who did that gm hydro-boost That is me. The only problem I had getting the booster actuation rod to mate to the brake pedal was the fact that the hole in the rod is larger than the pin on the pedal. I merely had a machinist friend make a simple bushing out of stainless steel to fill the gap. Works great. Oh yeah...you do realize that you have to fabricate a new mounting plate out of a flat piece of steel, right? This plate replaces the angled stamped mounting plate that comes with the booster. The hardest part is getting the large mounting plate nut off of the booster if you don't have the right socket (unlikely). I just knocked mine off by tapping it with a drift to unscrew it. Tightening it back onto the flat plate mount is easy since it's not hidden in a depression anymore. Even though the actuation rod on the hydroboost is a little shorter, after changing to the flat plate mount, The only difference in the pedal height is approximately .5 to 1 inch. Still doesn't hit the floor if the booster fails. One last tip. Since the pedal is slightly lower, you need to extend the tip of the brake light switch. I just drilled a small hole in the plastic end of the switch and screwed in a small wood screw. Easy adjustability! Hope this helps. If you need drawings of the 2 fabricated parts, I can send them to you. Later, Tom Anhalt '81 Cherokee Laredo 258 w/MPI and hydroboost(going on 5 years now!) > Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 12:49:28 -0700 > From: "Faith Jeff" > Subject: fsj: who did that gm hydro-boost > conversion? > > to the person who is using a gm-hydro boost for > brake boost on their fsj: > > how did you get your brake pedal to mate up to that > thing?? > > thanks, > jeff Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 16:52:34 CDT From: Dan Black Subject: Re: [fsj: More altitude = more timing ?] "Darrell Ramey" said: {- OK. I'm going to have to do my homework. It's just something that has {- stuck with me since I was in tech school, uhhhhhh, twenty years ago. It {- might just be emission related but I agree, more timing equals more power {- (to a certain point). But with the higher altitude you want a lean running {- engine. But not TOO lean, as leaner runs hotter, which can lead to melted hoses and/or spark plug wires, which can lead to a fire on top of your engine. AMHIK. Actually, that's about it, so _don't_ AMHIK. ;) (And make sure you have proper high-temp EGR/exhaust hoses and spark plug wires.) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How many parents are gonna want to send their kids into the woods _that_ summer? -- Jack - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 00:00:33 -0700 From: "Jim B" Subject: Re: fsj: who did that gm hydro-boost conversion? A: I'm using the GM booster with the arm from my old booster cut and fitted to match length. One of the other guys did his already with a HO efi put in (he needed clearance for his new intake, same as I do) My 4.0L in the J10 project is coming together s l o w l y (I have 3 days off this week coming. Wanna bet it's raining?) From: "Faith Jeff" Subject: fsj: who did that gm hydro-boost conversion? to the person who is using a gm-hydro boost for brake boost on their fsj: how did you get your brake pedal to mate up to that thing?? thanks, jeff ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 00:04:21 -0700 From: "Jim B" Subject: fsj: watching JeepTV I'm watching (and digitally recording) History Channel "Big Rigs of War: The Jeep story". I will post some pics later tomorrow on the 1fsj list of the interesting stuff (especially the M151 IFS wagon that was a precursor to the Wagoneer) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 09:35:27 -0700 From: "Jim B" Subject: [none] In the last 24 hours I have received 5 emails from various people on lists with a virus attached and faked return address (I was tipped off when the first one came from a list and was 118 KB but not a digest! The other came from my Webtv addy, but it can't do attachments so I knew it wasn't from there) Watch out for more to come when others open them! http://www.virtualjeep.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 21:12:57 -0700 From: john meister Subject: fsj: Re: stall problem Dear Happy FSJ owner, sounds fuel related. The white smoke reminds me of a similar situation... "flame out" kind of thing... :) I'm no fan of Holley's... but who knows... you could have a bad fuel line, fuel pump or something clogging in the carb itself. I'd disconnect the fuel lines at the fuel pump, carb and tank and use an air line to see if there are any obstructions... could be the pickup in the tank, a fuel line collapsing or even a bad fuel pump. because of the age I'm leaning toward fuel line. The fuel pump could be tested while you have the lines off, and maybe just replaced, along with the filters... (again). I can't remember when this happened to me, but I've been there... seems like it may have been the time I thought it was the fuel pump and it turned out to be the fuel gauge... or the time I thought it was the filter and it turned out to be the pump, or maybe the time... oh, I'm just kidding... See if you can borrow a pressure tester to test the fuel pump. I'd just replace it and every bit of rubber line I could get to. BTW, how'd you get a 2bbl holley for the V8? I thought the carbs were motorcraft. I'm cc'ing this to the FSJ list in hopes that someone will have a more specific clue and help you out. :) john On 5/3/02 6:52 PM, "Chrissy" wrote: > I didn't know if i could get help with this problem but I have to try > anyway because I need to get it fixed soon. I have an 82 Wagoneer and it > just developed a problem that I am unfamiliar with. Between 5 and 15 mph > (usually at 10mph) it stops pulling and it seems as if the gas gives out. If > you stay light on the gas it will roll along and about 20 seconds later it > will gradually start to get power again and a cloud of white smoke comes > out. I recently put a new 2bbl holley carb on it and have replaced all the > filters. Since it only happens when shifting from 1st to 2nd gear I thought > it might be the trans. but now I am leaning towards maybe the fuel pump. But > basically i am totally unsure. Any help I could get with this would be > greatly appreciated. > > Thanks > Jon Nichols > Happy FSJ owner - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com often via PINE on Linux ** (prefer plain text emails please!) ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #1636 **************************