From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Sun May 5 18:22:03 2002 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Sunday, May 5 2002 Volume 01 : Number 1637 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: Re: stall problem fsj: now fuel induction (was Re: Re: Holley ProJection) Re: fsj: who did that gm hydro-boost fsj: Trip preparations... fsj: Re: stall problem fsj: Re: stall problem fsj: J10 bed cover FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 00:09:55 CDT From: Dan Black Subject: Re: fsj: Re: stall problem Sounds like the choke being misadjusted to me. Does it also make a difference between a cold start and when it warms up? (The (manual) choke is broken on my '74, and I managed to get it jammed closed at one point last week while swapping the spacer between the carb and the manifold, and that had me stumped for longer than it should have. Now I have it jammed open again, which works fine -- theoretically harder to start in cold temps, but have very few problems since it's garaged now. So that's why the choke is fresh in my mind, but it really does sounds like various choke problems (esp. with the automatic choke) I've had in the past.) BTW, most of you probably already know this, but for the others... To adjust a stock automatic choke: First, the choke is about a 1"-thick, 2"-diameter cylinder facing sideways, left-to-right, on the right side of the carb. Anyway, you want to do it with the engine cold. Begin by removing the air cleaner and tapping the gas pedal once (yes, engine is still off) to make the choke gate swing shut (where the air comes in at the top of the carb in the middle -- the gate is lengthwise across the middle of the approx. 5"x1.5" (guesstimate) slot at the top (and middle) of the carb. Loosen the three screws (small flatheads) holding the choke adjustment (the black plastic cylinder part mentioned before) in place, then turn it back and/or forth until the gate is just completely closed (not beyond). Tighten the three screws back up, put the air cleaner back on, and you should be good. Y'all are welcome to correct my language for the proper automotive terms (or if you think my method is wrong). If there's any interest, I suppose I could take pictures and draw on them or something. And of course with an aftermarket carb, there might be something different. If you installed it, you should be able to figure it out. :) john meister said: {- sounds fuel related. The white smoke reminds me of a similar {- situation... "flame out" kind of thing... :) {- {- I'm no fan of Holley's... but who knows... you could have a bad {- fuel line, fuel pump or something clogging in the carb itself. {- On 5/3/02 6:52 PM, "Chrissy" wrote: {- > I didn't know if i could get help with this problem but I have to try {- > anyway because I need to get it fixed soon. I have an 82 Wagoneer and it {- > just developed a problem that I am unfamiliar with. Between 5 and 15 mph {- > (usually at 10mph) it stops pulling and it seems as if the gas gives out. If {- > you stay light on the gas it will roll along and about 20 seconds later it {- > will gradually start to get power again and a cloud of white smoke comes {- > out. I recently put a new 2bbl holley carb on it and have replaced all the {- > filters. Since it only happens when shifting from 1st to 2nd gear I thought {- > it might be the trans. but now I am leaning towards maybe the fuel pump. But {- > basically i am totally unsure. Any help I could get with this would be {- > greatly appreciated. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lie? Me? Never! The truth is far too much fun! -- JAS Hook, Capt. - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 22:30:14 -0700 From: "Jim B" Subject: fsj: now fuel induction (was Re: Re: Holley ProJection) A: I'm in the unfortunate position of not being able to run the LPG EFI I was going to train on (lack of funds. My new $1000 transfercase and the taxman sucked up my funds!) I will be going LPG with a Technocarb setup so I will be able to run an unrestricted dual fuel setup. From: "Lindel Easley" Subject: Re: Re: Holley ProJection Make sure you do a good one, for when I get my kit!! Lindel - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Hansen" To: <1FSJ-at-yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 5:42 AM Subject: Re: [1FSJ] Re: Holley ProJection > I got the kit yesterday. I'm still waiting for an intake adaptor plate. I > didn't have time to study the directions musch, but it looks to be not > difficult, but a Royal PITA! The kit certainly looks like a quality set-up. > (For $649 it SHOULD be!) > I'll keep y'all posted and maybe do a write up. > > -Don Hansen > Braintree, MA. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 22:35:43 -0700 From: "Jim B" Subject: Re: fsj: who did that gm hydro-boost A: Mine didn't have an angled plate (from a truck) but I think the bolt pattern is different (I'll find out sunday if the weather holds) From: Thomas Anhalt Subject: Re: fsj: who did that gm hydro-boost That is me. The only problem I had getting the booster actuation rod to mate to the brake pedal was the fact that the hole in the rod is larger than the pin on the pedal. I merely had a machinist friend make a simple bushing out of stainless steel to fill the gap. Works great. Oh yeah...you do realize that you have to fabricate a new mounting plate out of a flat piece of steel, right? This plate replaces the angled stamped mounting plate that comes with the booster. The hardest part is getting the large mounting plate nut off of the booster if you don't have the right socket (unlikely). I just knocked mine off by tapping it with a drift to unscrew it. Tightening it back onto the flat plate mount is easy since it's not hidden in a depression anymore. Even though the actuation rod on the hydroboost is a little shorter, after changing to the flat plate mount, The only difference in the pedal height is approximately .5 to 1 inch. Still doesn't hit the floor if the booster fails. One last tip. Since the pedal is slightly lower, you need to extend the tip of the brake light switch. I just drilled a small hole in the plastic end of the switch and screwed in a small wood screw. Easy adjustability! Hope this helps. If you need drawings of the 2 fabricated parts, I can send them to you. Later, Tom Anhalt '81 Cherokee Laredo 258 w/MPI and hydroboost(going on 5 years now!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 23:21:01 -0700 From: john meister Subject: fsj: Trip preparations... I'm trying to find a UNIX or computer training class that will start August 19 in Colorado or Salt Lake City so I can combine the trip and save my company some airfare, and me some vacation. :) That way I won't have to use vacation days to drive home... :) I'm in touch with the Sun training, need to contact HP out there, and might even consider taking some other computer related training, like networking or even windows 2k since I'm having to support some CAD users that have moved in that direction... Anyway... if you hear of anything, let me know... see you in the hills... john - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com often via PINE on Linux ** (prefer plain text emails please!) ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 00:34:49 -0700 From: john meister Subject: fsj: Re: stall problem thanx for this update and future ones, passing this info along... I think I had this same issue with my 258 too... I'm replacing it with a 4.0L out of a '96 xj... :) what manifold do you have? john On 5/4/02 12:32 AM, "Chrissy" wrote: > It's actually a inline 6. I have a shop that I can use so I can probably get > the pressure tester. I'll try it out and see how it works. I was beginning > to lean in the fuel related direction so it's good to have a little > direction. I appreciate you responding and also for forwarding the message > to others. I'll stay in touch and let you know how it goes in case anyone > else ends up with the same question. > Thanks > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: john meister [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] > Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 9:13 PM > To: Chrissy; fsj-digest-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: stall problem > > > Dear Happy FSJ owner, > > sounds fuel related. The white smoke reminds me of a similar > situation... "flame out" kind of thing... :) > > I'm no fan of Holley's... but who knows... you could have a bad > fuel line, fuel pump or something clogging in the carb itself. > > I'd disconnect the fuel lines at the fuel pump, carb and tank and > use an air line to see if there are any obstructions... > > could be the pickup in the tank, a fuel line collapsing or > even a bad fuel pump. because of the age I'm leaning toward fuel > line. The fuel pump could be tested while you have the lines off, > and maybe just replaced, along with the filters... (again). > > I can't remember when this happened to me, but I've been there... > seems like it may have been the time I thought it was the fuel pump > and it turned out to be the fuel gauge... or the time I thought it was the > filter and it turned out to be the pump, or maybe the time... oh, I'm just > kidding... > > See if you can borrow a pressure tester to test the fuel pump. I'd > just replace it and every bit of rubber line I could get to. > > BTW, how'd you get a 2bbl holley for the V8? I thought the carbs were > motorcraft. > > I'm cc'ing this to the FSJ list in hopes that someone will have a more > specific clue and help you out. :) > > john > > > On 5/3/02 6:52 PM, "Chrissy" wrote: > >> I didn't know if i could get help with this problem but I have to try >> anyway because I need to get it fixed soon. I have an 82 Wagoneer and it >> just developed a problem that I am unfamiliar with. Between 5 and 15 mph >> (usually at 10mph) it stops pulling and it seems as if the gas gives out. > If >> you stay light on the gas it will roll along and about 20 seconds later it >> will gradually start to get power again and a cloud of white smoke comes >> out. I recently put a new 2bbl holley carb on it and have replaced all the >> filters. Since it only happens when shifting from 1st to 2nd gear I > thought >> it might be the trans. but now I am leaning towards maybe the fuel pump. > But >> basically i am totally unsure. Any help I could get with this would be >> greatly appreciated. >> >> Thanks >> Jon Nichols >> Happy FSJ owner > > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** john-at-wagoneers.com often via PINE on Linux ** > (prefer plain text emails please!) > ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. > ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com often via PINE on Linux ** (prefer plain text emails please!) ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 16:36:37 -0700 From: john meister Subject: fsj: Re: stall problem another thought, vacuum related problem... I like the inline 6's too. :) the digests are on my website at: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/digests I'm teaching a couple of college courses this quarter... working on papers right now... :) most of the guys will include you in a return email on the topic... john On 5/4/02 10:19 AM, "Chrissy" wrote: > To tell you the truth, Im not sure . It is the stock manifold I think. I > bought this Jeep two years ago and only recently have I had time to start > making upgrades on it. So I'm still in the learning process. That is why I > especially appreciate any help I get because I'm kind of like a student > right now. The more teachers I get the better. I had planned an attempt at a > full restore , but after I put my lift on and started seeing some other > pictures , Ive kinda decided to make this one a trail jeep and buying > another one for restore after I move to Colorado at the end of the year. I > really like the inline 6 and would like to stick with it if I find that it > is in good enough condition. It seems to do pretty good. The problem I am > having now is the first I have experienced since buying it 2 years ago. I > have to go work on writing a paper now( college student) so I will talk to > you later and let you know how things are going. BTW, was that posting you > talked about the one on your site or is it somewhere else. Just wondering > how to check the responses. Thanks again. > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: john meister [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] > Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 12:35 AM > To: Chrissy; FSJ > Subject: Re: stall problem > > > thanx for this update and future ones, passing this info along... > > I think I had this same issue with my 258 too... I'm > replacing it with a 4.0L out of a '96 xj... :) > > what manifold do you have? > > john > > > On 5/4/02 12:32 AM, "Chrissy" wrote: > >> It's actually a inline 6. I have a shop that I can use so I can probably > get >> the pressure tester. I'll try it out and see how it works. I was beginning >> to lean in the fuel related direction so it's good to have a little >> direction. I appreciate you responding and also for forwarding the message >> to others. I'll stay in touch and let you know how it goes in case anyone >> else ends up with the same question. >> Thanks >> Jon >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: john meister [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] >> Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 9:13 PM >> To: Chrissy; fsj-digest-at-digest.net >> Subject: Re: stall problem >> >> >> Dear Happy FSJ owner, >> >> sounds fuel related. The white smoke reminds me of a similar >> situation... "flame out" kind of thing... :) >> >> I'm no fan of Holley's... but who knows... you could have a bad >> fuel line, fuel pump or something clogging in the carb itself. >> >> I'd disconnect the fuel lines at the fuel pump, carb and tank and >> use an air line to see if there are any obstructions... >> >> could be the pickup in the tank, a fuel line collapsing or >> even a bad fuel pump. because of the age I'm leaning toward fuel >> line. The fuel pump could be tested while you have the lines off, >> and maybe just replaced, along with the filters... (again). >> >> I can't remember when this happened to me, but I've been there... >> seems like it may have been the time I thought it was the fuel pump >> and it turned out to be the fuel gauge... or the time I thought it was > the >> filter and it turned out to be the pump, or maybe the time... oh, I'm just >> kidding... >> >> See if you can borrow a pressure tester to test the fuel pump. I'd >> just replace it and every bit of rubber line I could get to. >> >> BTW, how'd you get a 2bbl holley for the V8? I thought the carbs were >> motorcraft. >> >> I'm cc'ing this to the FSJ list in hopes that someone will have a more >> specific clue and help you out. :) >> >> john >> >> >> On 5/3/02 6:52 PM, "Chrissy" wrote: >> >>> I didn't know if i could get help with this problem but I have to try >>> anyway because I need to get it fixed soon. I have an 82 Wagoneer and it >>> just developed a problem that I am unfamiliar with. Between 5 and 15 mph >>> (usually at 10mph) it stops pulling and it seems as if the gas gives out. >> If >>> you stay light on the gas it will roll along and about 20 seconds later > it >>> will gradually start to get power again and a cloud of white smoke comes >>> out. I recently put a new 2bbl holley carb on it and have replaced all > the >>> filters. Since it only happens when shifting from 1st to 2nd gear I >> thought >>> it might be the trans. but now I am leaning towards maybe the fuel pump. >> But >>> basically i am totally unsure. Any help I could get with this would be >>> greatly appreciated. >>> >>> Thanks >>> Jon Nichols >>> Happy FSJ owner >> >> >> - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > - >> ** john-at-wagoneers.com often via PINE on Linux ** >> (prefer plain text emails please!) >> ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** >> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. >> ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... >> - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > - > > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** john-at-wagoneers.com often via PINE on Linux ** > (prefer plain text emails please!) > ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. > ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com often via PINE on Linux ** (prefer plain text emails please!) ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 15:15:51 -0700 From: john meister Subject: fsj: J10 bed cover I have a camel (?) colored J10 bed cover for the short fleetside bed. It's brand new... It was one of those impulse purchases... It will fit neither my '83 J10 Stepside nor my '75 long bed. ;) email me if you're interested. john - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com often via PINE on Linux ** (prefer plain text emails please!) ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #1637 **************************