From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Mon Jul 1 10:57:33 2002 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Monday, July 1 2002 Volume 01 : Number 1678 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: Diesel Mercedes Jeep spotted fsj: Re: Diesel Mercedes Jeep spotted fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list fsj: re: looking... fsj: vacuum,paint,heat riser re: fsj: looking for somethings/tranny-transfer Re: fsj: Diesel Mercedes Jeep spotted fsj: crossover steering update - 63 wagoneer RE: fsj: Diesel Mercedes Jeep spotted FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 21:49:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck2-at-webtv.net (jim blair) Subject: fsj: Diesel Mercedes Jeep spotted I have no idea what it is (no model number) but it looks like a cross between a TJ and a VW thing and the owner didn't speak english (or was ignorant when I asked what model it is) It only had a permit in the window. I'll check the Mercedes site and see what it was. ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10, '86 MJ http://www.geocities.com/eaglemania2002/ Black Jack's before pic: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/jim-b-J10.jpg ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 21:50:25 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: Diesel Mercedes Jeep spotted sounds like a gelandewagen... a half way decent used one runs about $40k, new over $150k... ;) they do come with Diesels too... ;) there's an outfit down in NewMexico that sells them. Might be able to get an older used one in the 20k range... john At 09:49 PM 6/30/2002 -0700, jim blair wrote: >I have no idea what it is (no model number) but it looks like a cross >between a TJ and a VW thing and the owner didn't speak english (or was >ignorant when I asked what model it is) It only had a permit in the >window. > I'll check the Mercedes site and see what it was. > >************************************* >JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10, '86 MJ >http://www.geocities.com/eaglemania2002/ Black Jack's before pic: >http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/jim-b-J10.jpg >************************************** - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 02:15:00 -0400 From: Richard Welty Subject: fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. 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What is Krusty Motorsports, anyway? Krusty Motorsports (http:/www.krusty-motorsports.com/) is a business which is owned and operated by Richard Welty (rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com). Krusty is an S-Corporation in the State of New York. Krusty provides a number of Internet related services, such as mailing list, web sites, pop3/telnet accounts, and consulting on internet related issues. For more information, see the web site. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 07:16:57 -0700 From: Tesar Landon-r16884 Subject: fsj: re: looking... Joe, owners manuals will probably show up on Ebay. the double shift, I hope, is not the transfer case. I suggest it is a band slipping. Time to get a Haynes manual, a filter/gasket set, change the fluid, and adjust the trans. bands. I don't know if you absolutely 'require' an inch-pounds torque wrench but that's what the specs are written in for band adjustment. (NAPA has the filter/gasket set for a surprisingly low price - $7?) Also, probably want to check what speed you are driving for 1st -2nd upshift, and 2nd to 3rd upshift. With 3.31:1 final drive gears, it's been suggested that 1-2 should be at no less than 15 mph, and 2-3 at no less than 25 mph, a little more in both cases is better. this should lessen the slipping and prolong your trans life. These can be adjusted at the linkage that connects to the bellcrank on the carburetor...don't try to follow the instructions, trial and error works best. Hee-hee - just to make sure, and it's pretty cheap/easy, I suggest you change the fluid in the XFER case as well. You'll want a small flexible funnel to help with the filling. and you never know what will be in the xfer case - found gear lube in mine, it's supposed to be ATF. Hope it goes well... - - Landon 89 GW Austin ======================= Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 12:06:13 -0500 From: Joe Schuster < bountyhunterjoe-at-earthlink.net > Subject: fsj: looking for somethings/tranny-trasfer Hi everyone, I am looking for a glovebox owners manual for my 1987 GW.Also looking for front door speaker grills.Also when I put the GW in drive I first feel the engagement of the tranny,and then another engagement after the tranny.Is this the trans.case?Is this normal?Is there a problem.Or is there a v coupling problem and how and what is the v coupling? thanks,Joe 1987 GW ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 07:36:27 -0700 From: Tesar Landon-r16884 Subject: fsj: vacuum,paint,heat riser Hi Vince, I really appreciate your responses and comments on the list. I'm doing well with a minimized set of vacuum lines. My suggestions: Don't hook up the AIR pump. Keep the vapor canister and the lines that collect vapor from the gas tank and the line that runs from there into the carb. Keep the vacuum bulb, think this helps the 4x4 engage (I'm talking '89 here so your setup may be different) Keep the PCV setup. Run a direct line from 'ported vacuum' to the distributor. One of the front Motorcraft nipples is to run the 'Economizer, or Power Valve' This won't be needed with your carb. Forgot whether you will/will not have the EGR. Buy at least one set each of vacuum 'tees' and 'caps' Might be good to install one old vacuum 'tree' in the new manifold just so you have a switch to play with. I've done well without the exhaust butterfly valve(heat riser) in the exhast pipe. That, and a turbo muffler and 30" tires have significantly reduced engine braking so it must flow more freely. I don't think you 'cut it out', I believe it is more of a 'disassembly.' I was able to find some bolts that almost fit and JB Weld them in. But I'm in TX, you may need them in Chi-town. I think black is best for heat removal, but I have no scientific basis for that, it may be that my engine builder just had black paint. Let us all know what you did to dial in the carb, how many sets of jets you had to buy, I expect it will run way too rich out of the box. - - Landon ================== How much of the vacuum line mess do I really need? There are so many friggin vacuum lines that all seem to go nowhere........not sure if my Edelbrock carb has as many nipples as the Motorcrap carb. What if I delete the gas vapor cannister? Also, how important is that flippy exhaust butterfly valve on the starboard pipe? Can I cut out the butterfly without hurting something or should I replace it with a new one? The engine is painted silver now. Should I go with AMC colors? Current color sort of matches the Edelbrock parts but blue would really set off my chrome valve covers and air cleaner cover! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 08:05:14 -0700 From: Tesar Landon-r16884 Subject: re: fsj: looking for somethings/tranny-transfer Thanks, Jim. that's good stuff. How much slack is acceptable in the front driveshaft? Does it matter if the xfer case is in hi range or low range? - - Landon Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 07:56:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck2-at-webtv.net (jim blair) Subject: Re: fsj: looking for somethings/tranny-trasfer A: Can't help with the glovebox book, but you'd be better off with MR 253 factory repair manual! The clunk you feel can be tested to see if it is the transfercase or not. With the truck in 4WD and trans in park, BLOCK the rear wheels and lift the front. Then turn the front driveshaft back and forth to see how much slack there is. The noise could also be motor or tranny mount slop, or the rear band in the trans may be slow to engage due to wear in the bore of the engagement piston (often this can be fixed by adjusting the rear band, which is inside the pan above the valve body) The V coupling is the viscous coupler, which is like a positrack unit between the front and rear driveshaft inside the transfercase. It's filled with silicate gel that will chew everything up if it pops from too much difference in tire rotation front to rear. From: Joe Schuster < bountyhunterjoe-at-earthlink.net> Hi everyone, I am looking for a glovebox owners manual for my 1987 GW.Also looking for front door speaker grills.Also when I put the GW in drive I first feel the engagement of the tranny,and then another engagement after the tranny.Is this the trans.case?Is this normal?Is there a problem.Or is there a v coupling problem and how and what is the v coupling? thanks,Joe 1987 GW ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 13:05:44 -0400 From: RFISCHEL-at-osc.state.ny.us Subject: Re: fsj: Diesel Mercedes Jeep spotted Sounds like the G500 aka Gelaendewagen. Up until this year it was a speciality import into the U.S., about $125K. Now MB U.S.A. is importing them at about $75K. Very similar to what MB sells to the German, Swiss and Austrian armies. It is definitely a wolf or should I say mountain-goat in sheep's clothing. The G500 will go anywhere any stock JEEP could go, and most likely a few places more. It's nice to be able to independently lock up the transfer case, front or real axle. The U.S. version does not come with a diesel option but it is available outside the country. My guess is about 1% of the G500's imported into the U.S. will see much more than a gravel driveway as far as off-roadin' is concerned. The car is real popular with rap music stars, painted black with the trim all done in gold . definitely not the type of car driven by most FSJ fans. See links: http://www.mercedesshop.com/g500.htm http://www.mbusa.com/brand/container.jsp?/models/main.jsp&modelCode=G500&src=MODELSELECTOR Carnuck2-at-webtv.n et (jim blair) To: fsj-at-digest.net, john-at-wagoneers.com Sent by: cc: owner-fsj-at-digest Subject: fsj: Diesel Mercedes Jeep spotted .net 07/01/02 12:49 AM Please respond to Carnuck2 I have no idea what it is (no model number) but it looks like a cross between a TJ and a VW thing and the owner didn't speak english (or was ignorant when I asked what model it is) It only had a permit in the window. I'll check the Mercedes site and see what it was. ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10, '86 MJ http://www.geocities.com/eaglemania2002/ Black Jack's before pic: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/jim-b-J10.jpg ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 10:04:01 -0700 From: "Faith Jeff" Subject: fsj: crossover steering update - 63 wagoneer hi folks, i'm almost to the point of needing a steering box and drag-link for my crossover steering... this weekend i got new U-joints in both my front axle shafts, put in new inner and outer wheel bearings, races, and replaced some seals to boot. my front hubs are reassembeled, with freshly surfaced rotors, and even a few new wheel studs. ....i need some new brake pads, then as soon as i put the brakes and the wheels back on, i'm ready for a steering box and drag link. few steps closer to driving my project... more to come, jeff 63 wagoneer so cal This electronic message transmission, including any attachments, contains information from Prescription Solutions which may be confidential or privileged. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately by a "reply to sender only" message and destroy all electronic and hard copies of the communication, including attachments. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 11:59:08 -0600 From: "JC Jones" Subject: RE: fsj: Diesel Mercedes Jeep spotted There has already been a discussion on this on the Diesel Mercedes list at YahooGroups. We decided that with the Daimler-Chrysler merger they well probably merge the G-500 and the Grand Wagoneer to create the GalendenWagoneer. Here's the prototype: http://www.jtruck.net/misc/GalendenWagoneer.jpg JC Jones http://www.jtruck.net http://www.wagoneer.net 1979 Jeep J-10 "Max" 1987 Grand Wagoneer 1978 MB 300D "Fritz" 1986 Jeep XJ Cherokee "Junior" * * * * * =================== "They that can give up * * * * =================== essential liberty to * * * * * =================== obtain a little ============================= temporary safety ============================= deserve neither ============================= liberty nor safety." ============================= -Benjamin Franklin - -> -----Original Message----- - -> From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On - -> Behalf Of RFISCHEL-at-osc.state.ny.us - -> Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 11:06 AM - -> To: Carnuck2-at-webtv.net - -> Cc: fsj-at-digest.net - -> Subject: Re: fsj: Diesel Mercedes Jeep spotted - -> - -> - -> Sounds like the G500 aka Gelaendewagen. Up until this year it was a - -> speciality import into the U.S., about $125K. Now MB U.S.A. - -> is importing them at about $75K. Very similar to what MB - -> sells to the German, Swiss and Austrian armies. It is - -> definitely a wolf or should I say mountain-goat in sheep's - -> clothing. The G500 will go anywhere any stock JEEP could - -> go, and most likely a few places more. It's nice to be able - -> to independently lock up the transfer case, front or real - -> axle. The U.S. version does not come with a diesel option - -> but it is available outside the country. My guess is about - -> 1% of the G500's imported into the U.S. will see much more - -> than a gravel driveway as far as off-roadin' is concerned. - -> The car is real popular with rap music stars, painted black - -> with the trim all done in gold - -> . definitely not the type of car driven by most FSJ fans. - -> - -> See links: - -> http://www.mercedesshop.com/g500.htm http://www.mbusa.com/brand/container.jsp?/models/main.jsp&modelCode=G500 &src=MODELSELECTOR Carnuck2-at-webtv.n et (jim blair) To: fsj-at-digest.net, john-at-wagoneers.com Sent by: cc: owner-fsj-at-digest Subject: fsj: Diesel Mercedes Jeep spotted .net 07/01/02 12:49 AM Please respond to Carnuck2 I have no idea what it is (no model number) but it looks like a cross between a TJ and a VW thing and the owner didn't speak english (or was ignorant when I asked what model it is) It only had a permit in the window. I'll check the Mercedes site and see what it was. ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10, '86 MJ http://www.geocities.com/eaglemania2002/ Black Jack's before pic: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/jim-b-J10.jpg ************************************** ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #1678 **************************