From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Wed Jul 10 14:17:40 2002 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Wednesday, July 10 2002 Volume 01 : Number 1687 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: 1/2 to 3/4 track width differences Re: [fsj: RE: WT axles in a NT GW?] Re: [Re: [fsj: Re: quadratrac and (different subject:) OX lockers]] fsj: Later SelecTrac fsj: RJ at Ouray - ixnay? Re: [Re: fsj: Re: quadratrac] fsj: gears for dawg Re: [Re: [fsj: Re: quadratrac and (different subject:) OX lockers]] fsj: When did the cab lip disappear? fsj: Fwd: About the California SUV tax Re: fsj: Fwd: About the California SUV tax fsj: Killer32 bumpers fsj: Re: Killer32 bumpers fsj: Oil weight? fsj: Re: Oil weight? fsj: Re: Fwd: About the California SUV tax FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 10:49:11 -0700 From: "Jim B" Subject: fsj: 1/2 to 3/4 track width differences http://www.offroaddesign.com/techtips/techtips.htm http://www.virtualjeep.com/ Black Jack's before pic http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/jim-b-J10.jpg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 11:49:03 -0600 From: Michael Shimniok Subject: Re: [fsj: RE: WT axles in a NT GW?] "Jim B" wrote: > A: That would work for pre '80 Wagoneers and Cherokees, but the front > drop is wrong for '80 and newer (unless you plan to swap transfercase > internals with a RH drop NP case like I may have to) That said, I'd > like a set of NT '74-'79 for the new toy. I just bolted up a WT rear axle to my 86 GW and the front is going to go in soon too... Of course the axles came out of an 80-83 WT Cherokee which have the correct offsets. Unfortunately these axles (esp the 20's, unique to the WT Chero) are already rare and more are crushed daily. I am hoarding rear axle shafts as best as I can... I have 2 extra sets so far... if anyone sees some let me know and maybe you can bring them to Ouray with you. :) The WT's are only a little wider than a NT axle by maybe 1.25" each side... Another option is 10" rims and wider tires (ie go from 31x10.50 to 33x12.50) which will increase track width. Still another option is J truck axles; the front is the same as the WT chero (I hear) and the rear is... can't remember... 2.5" wider than NT each side? Needs spring pads moved. Or how about a junkyard axle... certain Dodge D60's have matching spring mounts. Probably plan on shock mounts and spring pads being moved. For me, the bolt up option provided me with enough challenge, thanks. :) Anyway I expect that my going from NT and 31x10.50's to WT with 33x12.50's will slightly increase stability in corners and on sidehill maneuvers and I should get most of my stock turning radius back, hopefully. I also suspect it'll articulate a tiny bit better. I have a 4" skyjacker lift. I am debating whether or not to do a 3" body lift as well. Something tells me that isn't going to happen before Ouray tho. :) Michael - --- 86 GW "Troubled Child" 360/NP208/3"exh/4"lift/31"BFGAT 85 GW "Backhoe" 360/3"exh/2"lift/31"BFGATKO/Lockrite ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 11:51:21 -0600 From: Michael Shimniok Subject: Re: [Re: [fsj: Re: quadratrac and (different subject:) OX lockers]] "Jim B" wrote: > A: Hey now! I'll have my 4.0L powered J10 out there! You BETTER. :) Looking forward to seeing it and meeting ya. > My son is down from Canada to help ensure I get it finished and we both > get there! Excellent. Anyone want to loan me a son to help finish mine up? :) Michael - --- Michael E. Shimniok - KC0EKI - Michael.Shimniok-at-usa.net "For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong." - H. L. Menken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 10:58:11 -0700 From: Tesar Landon-r16884 Subject: fsj: Later SelecTrac Who got the later SelecTrac(NP242)? My '89 GW has NP229. - - Landon ================================== The Selectrac system came out in '83 and offers full time, low range and 2 wheel drive! The later Selectrac, '87 and up, using the NP242 (same as the Hummer) also permitted a "lockup" mode or part time mode. The early NP229(8)s did NOT have a 4wd HIGH lockup mode, but did lock up in low range. (lock up means 50/50 split of power front to rear). My favorite xfr cases are: NP242 and NP219. john ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 10:59:09 -0700 From: Tesar Landon-r16884 Subject: fsj: RJ at Ouray - ixnay? RJ, did you find a ride/escort? - - Landon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 12:01:28 -0600 From: Michael Shimniok Subject: Re: [Re: fsj: Re: quadratrac] "Jim B" wrote: > A: Ah! But you forget the strongest of the NP cases FSJS got! The > NP208, which with the front hubs unlocked, also has the option of 2WD > low (great for towing) but it doesn't do 4 hi on dry high traction > areas well (who needs it for that though? ) The later model NV242s > look pretty good to me (I hope I get my new case soon!) I pulled my 228 and installed a 208. I haven't had much chance to test it, but I suspect it'll suck in the snow and that I'll miss the ol' 228. I was thinking about a 219... cuz (a) it bolts in (b) it doesn't have vacuum motors or switches (c) it has the option of 4hi lock meaning losing rear drive doesn't leave me limping home in 4lo. So, for my needs, it has the same feature set of the 208 with the advantage of better snow traction and the disadvantage of more front-end wear. I think this year is another el nino year so we'll undoubtedly get a nice blizzard again in denver for me to test the 208 out in. About the 208... is it really stronger? I have heard they put the 208's behind manual transmissions because they could handle shock loads much better than the 229's. But that doesn't make them stronger, does it? The 228/9 and 208 cases are identical except the latter is shorter--no v.c. or diff. Is the chain any wider? I haven't had 'em apart but if the case is the same, how can the chain width vary much? Gears stouter? Again, same case, same gears? Michael > From: john > Subject: fsj: Re: quadratrac > > Quadratrac is Jeep's name for a full time system. The > name and function lives on since '73... it's involved > three (or four) transfer cases: Borg Warner 1339, New Process 219 > and New Process 247 (or is it 249? ;). I've had at > least one of each kind. The NP219 was the best from > a driving standpoint. The BW has the reputation as > the strongest. The Latest version in the '99 and up WJ's > has the Gerotor technology. - --- Michael E. Shimniok - KC0EKI - Michael.Shimniok-at-usa.net "For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong." - H. L. Menken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:05:57 -0700 From: Tesar Landon-r16884 Subject: fsj: gears for dawg Hi all, John, I think 4.10:1 would be fine in Sdawg if you kept the 5spd. Prob'ly too low with the automatic for highway use, and haven't seen that your preferred tire size range will make enough of a difference. Where is the 5spd going again ? - - Landon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 14:27:57 -0700 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: Re: [Re: [fsj: Re: quadratrac and (different subject:) OX lockers]] On Tue, Jul 09, 2002 at 11:51:21AM -0600, Michael Shimniok wrote: > > My son is down from Canada to help ensure I get it finished and we both > > get there! > > Excellent. Anyone want to loan me a son to help finish mine up? :) Um, I don't have any. (at least none that I'm admitting to *GRIN*) Unfortunately, I won't be making it to CO, which gives me time to get my rig ready for the socal run in october. K - -- Kevin Pekarek Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) 74 Cherokee 2 door (258 1bbl, T15, D20, open 3.54 d44's) 77 Cherokee 4 door S (401 4bbl, TH400, BW QT, open 3.54 d44's) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 18:34:44 -0700 From: "allyoop" Subject: fsj: When did the cab lip disappear? I was in Havre, Montana over the weekend and saw quite a few J trucks (the place is a paradise for old pickups of all kinds). These guys never saw an old truck they didn't park in the driveway. Anyhow I decided I need to know when Jeep got rid of the lip over the J-truck windshield. I saw both types, but mainly the older style. Also what was the last year for Jtrucks? I was amused by the letter from the guy in Ketchum, Idaho, looking for a Wagoneer. If he can't find a Waggie in Ketchum, he ain't looking. The per-capita population of wagoneers there has got to top anyplace on earth. My pal who vacations there calls 'em Ketchum Cadillacs. Always room for another, I guess. Walt Greenwood ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 21:06:33 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: Fwd: About the California SUV tax the people's republic of kalifornia tends to lead the way... ...to a point... Subject: About the California SUV tax This looks bad. http://www.wedrive.org/about.html - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com Real FREEDOM comes through knowing Jesus http://www.helpmewithbiblestudy.org/ - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 23:08:48 -0700 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: Re: fsj: Fwd: About the California SUV tax On Tue, Jul 09, 2002 at 09:06:33PM -0700, john wrote: > the people's republic of kalifornia tends to lead the way... > ...to a point... Don't get me started about California and its screwed politics. Let me tell you, there was a lot of truth to the title of the fiction novel "the last days of the late great state..." :) If the Air Resources Board was actually concerned with clearing the air and not being a political pain in the ass that only serves to get bureaucrats reelected and keep special interest groups happy (because they line their pockets), we might actually have blue skies, not smog programs that don't make sense and public transit that doesn't work. Oops, I got started :) K - -- Kevin Pekarek Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 00:22:50 -0700 From: "Jim B" Subject: fsj: Killer32 bumpers A: If anyone wants these, make sure you figure out if you are going with a front or bottom mount winch! (learn from my mistake!) The pic of Black Jack with a 1/2 in winch shows Scotty's fine handiwork (and has left me scratching my head how I'm going to fix MY goof!) >From : "Scottie" Hey, thanks for letting the other Full Size Jeepers know about Killer32.. Since I am not on the list much anymore (no time!!!), could you please be sure to let everyone know that I need their order in the next week or so if they want their bumpers before the trip to CO. I really appeciate it! Best, Scottie _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 07:14:42 -0500 From: "Vince Orr" Subject: fsj: Re: Killer32 bumpers Scottie sent me a similar message when I ordered a new rear bumper for the Rez Runner from Killer 32. He's a great guy to deal with and he thinks of everything. If any other FSJ'ers want your bumper for the trip to Ouray, you need to get in touch with him this week! My plan is to use a winch plate on a 2" receiver carrier eventually. I want one winch for both my FSJ and my TJ. Have to get a winch first! Hoping to have my engine ready to plop into the Rez by this weekend. Take parts off, clean parts, glue on gaskets, screw parts on........getting into a routine now..... - --Vince - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim B" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 2:22 AM Subject: fsj: Killer32 bumpers > A: If anyone wants these, make sure you figure out if you are going with a > front or bottom mount winch! (learn from my mistake!) The pic of Black Jack > with a 1/2 in winch shows Scotty's fine handiwork (and has left me > scratching my head how I'm going to fix MY goof!) > > From : > "Scottie" > > Hey, thanks for letting the other Full Size Jeepers know about Killer32.. > Since I am not on the list much anymore (no time!!!), could you please be > sure to let everyone know that I need their order in the next week or so if > they want their bumpers before the trip to CO. I really appeciate it! > > Best, > Scottie > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 07:16:43 -0500 From: "Vince Orr" Subject: fsj: Oil weight? John and everyone: Should I be putting in AMSOIL 10W40 in my new engine (stock oil recommendation)? What do you use in your AMC V8's of this vintage? - --Vince '81 Wagoneer '99 TJ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 08:31:46 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: Oil weight? When I use dino oil I prefer 20W50, but I don't live where it gets below freezing very often... ;) With the AMSOIL Synthetics just about any weight will work fine in all our climates. Check the specs and you'll see... :) The 10W40 will work fine. In fact, you'll see a little bit better economy with that over the 20W50. I changed my '99 WJ from 20W50 to 10W40 as well. john On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Vince Orr wrote: >-->John and everyone: >-->Should I be putting in AMSOIL 10W40 in my new engine (stock oil recommendation)? What do you use in your AMC V8's of this vintage? >-->--Vince >-->'81 Wagoneer >-->'99 TJ >--> ---- - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com/john AMSOIL synthetics & filters, Hastings filters and now BOSCH!!!! http://www.wagoneers.com/AMSOIL/ To order 1-800-956-5695 customer# 283461 Snohomish, WA, where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... http://www.wagoneers.com/AMSOIL/FSJ_filters.html http://www.wagoneers.com/AMSOIL/Filter_INFORMATION/air_filter-1.jpg - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:45:09 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: Fwd: About the California SUV tax At 10:25 AM 7/10/2002 -0700, jerry wrote: *** The legislature changed the bill # over a holiday weekend & pushed it through. Same kind of crap they pulled with the "old-cars non-op" law. ( That made you have to register cars even if they were under a tarp in the garage. Only $5/year, but people forget - intent being to force old cars to the crusher ) - Jerry ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #1687 **************************