From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Thu Jul 18 20:14:19 2002 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Wednesday, July 17 2002 Volume 01 : Number 1695 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: uh oh... Re: [RE: [fsj: Ouray Prep]] Re: fsj: uh oh... fsj: Re: fsj-digest V1 #1694 fsj: New Water Pump - ? Re: [RE: [RE: [fsj: Ouray Prep]]] fsj: Parts for a 77 ? fsj: Re: [FSJ-List] Parts for a 77 ? fsj: Re: Ouray Prep FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 18:09:20 -0700 From: "Jim B" Subject: Re: fsj: uh oh... A: John doesn't believe the STP will work and won't hurt the trans! From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: Re: fsj: uh oh... On Tue, Jul 16, 2002 at 10:46:22AM -0700, Jim B wrote: > A: I'd return the favor, but my wife says I have to get rid of what I have > already! BTW, The NP229 would make a ratcheting noise if the chain was > slipping, and only in 4WD. In 2WD, slippage has to be the trans (or if the > front axle isn't engaged, then the VC will be slipping. Not a good thing for > it!) Sounds like it's time for a Jim Blair ATF-shake :) K ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 18:19:03 -0700 From: "Jim B" Subject: Re: [RE: [fsj: Ouray Prep]] A: After Ouray (no money to get the LPG set up yet) I'll be having a double compressor setup, but I will just stack 2 of the radial pumps on the stock XJ brackets. With an idler already in place, it looks like finding the right length belt will be the only problem. From: Michael Shimniok Subject: Re: [RE: [fsj: Ouray Prep]] Tesar Landon-r16884 wrote: > Maybe you can elaborate, Michael. How is this gonna fit under the hood? > Why do you need two of these? It isn't that I NEED two, I WANT two. One for AC, one for OBA. I want to have my cake and eat it too (the story of this truck, really). Also I hate doing things the easy way. :) I've seen several 78-ish Cherokees that run vertical compressors from the factory. It fits under the hood with no problems at all. They came with an idler pulley that attached to the driver side of the compressor and spanned over to one of the p/s bracket bolts that hooks into the water pump (where the spacer is on most of our rigs). My compressor is already vertical, but need to add the idler assembly. Then, space it forward enough to align with the 4th pulley that will be added to the front of the water pump pulley. I found that Eagle cars used a smaller water pump pulley which will clear the crank pulley more easily than an FSJ pulley, so it is a question of how to modify it to mount or weld to the existing water pump pulley. Then I'll use angle steel for the brackets to attach the 2nd compressor right next to but slightly in front of the original. So the belt will run in front of the old compressor, over the idler, and down to the water pump. I will have to work on additional bracing to the block, I suspect. Tho the addition of the idler will help. Haven't sorted that out yet. Why not just loop an alternator belt over a 2nd compressor? I've seen this done (back in 1999 which is what originally inspired me, but I'm obviously real slow in getting this done!). I figured (a) the alt belts are already prone to slip and this would reduce one of those belt's traction (b) adjusting the belts properly would be a nightmare. I'd rather have a solid mount compressor with an adjustable idler pulley that doesn't interfere with the stock belts. I felt like this would be the cleanest install for dual yorks. I could've installed a pulley on the alt but it doesn't really lend itself to that. I can't give up the AIR pump, otherwise maybe a guy could mount it over there. On a related topic, I've seen one company selling what looks to me like a winch or starter motor hooked up to a york compressor fed by 12V. Seems like that'd be a trick way to go. Mount it in the back in a quarter panel and have a fitting poking out somewhere to hook into. No engine clutter, just battery drain. Something like this would be significantly more effective than most if not all portable electric compressors. > Umm, I think I read tech notes about this. I should RTFM in other words. :) I keep forgetting to do that. :( > I heard that someone put 6.5" round in w/o too much trouble. These are > better than 6x9. Wish I'd done that. Why better than 6x9? I thought 6x9's put out better bass? I have 6" in my 85 that have reasonable extension (but are otherwise poor). > think that if you don't write them down and prioritize, panic sets in. > When you can check items off and see the progress, the perspective is > better. The lists do help... time to update mine I guess. > I think it will be amazing after we get home, how little of the stuff > we take will actually get used, but I plan to bring a wheel bearing > socket anyway. The reverse is also true... it'll be amazing how the things that break are invariably the ones we don't have spares for. :) It sure is a nice feeling when something breaks and you just shrug calmly and go, "yah, got one of those spare and all the tools I need. I should be back on the road in 20 minutes." Michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 18:19:23 -0700 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: Re: fsj: uh oh... On Tue, Jul 16, 2002 at 06:09:20PM -0700, Jim B wrote: > A: John doesn't believe the STP will work and won't hurt the trans! HAH. Well, if the tranny's already toast, he can't really make it worse... K ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 21:48:08 -0500 From: "Brian Wall" Subject: fsj: Re: fsj-digest V1 #1694 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:26:16 -0700 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: Re: fsj: J-10 seats fugedaboutit. Seriously, what is wrong with the seats? The driver's seat of my 74 was quite fubared, but I was able to peel the vinyl cover off and stuff more foam in, and it helped out a LOT. Kevin- This seat is beyond extra stuffing fixable. Driver's side springs are so shot that a previous owner braced the frame under the driver's side with 1" x 4"s. Yikes! Also, the back window is shattered. Was the J-10 window interchangeable with any other small trucks? I mean if I wanted to purchase an after-market sliding window (no A/C in this baby) how hard is it going to be to find one? Thanks, Brian Wall ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:10:39 -0700 From: Tesar Landon-r16884 Subject: fsj: New Water Pump - ? Now why did I get this thing again? Received the fabled GMB 110-1040P water pump in the mail yesterday. I am struggling with this purchase. $80+shipping. Hmm. Think I lost touch with reality for a moment there. Hi flow, caged impeller, aluminum, bearings not bushings.... Oh well, we'll put it on and see how it does... - - Landon '89 GW ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 14:09:11 -0600 From: Michael Shimniok Subject: Re: [RE: [RE: [fsj: Ouray Prep]]] Tesar Landon-r16884 wrote: > How resourceful. Guess there will be quite a line to air tires back up after the trail rides.... Could be. I've been wanting OBA since 1998 when CFSJA first started with a small meeting and one of the guys had it on his rig. :) Almost every time I go offroad I kick myself for not having OBA done yet. :) Michael - --- Michael E. Shimniok - KC0EKI - Michael.Shimniok-at-usa.net "For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong." - H. L. Menken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 15:04:39 -0700 From: "Mike - G" Subject: fsj: Parts for a 77 ? Does anyone know where I can get parts for my 77 Cherokee Chief? I'm trying to get it to pass smog in CA, and it has no cat's, no air-cleaner, etc. I found some cat's on JCWhitney, but what about the air cleaner and the hoses ? It's needs a bunch of other things too, but the emission thing is top priority right now. - ---- mike-g-at-mike-g.net http://www.mike-g.net/ KG6MDD boom.boom.beep.beep 5-6" lift, 32" tires, 4.56's, gears, ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 15:30:04 -0700 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: fsj: Re: [FSJ-List] Parts for a 77 ? On Wed, Jul 17, 2002 at 05:18:02PM -0500, Obi-Wan wrote: > > Does anyone know where I can get parts for my 77 Cherokee Chief? I'm > > trying to get it to pass smog in CA, and it has no cat's, no > > air-cleaner, etc. > > A 49-state '77 FSJ didn't come with a cat, but the California models > did. If you can prove (not sure how off the top of my head) that > yours was originally a 49-state model, then you should be able to > pass the visual test. Sniffer is another matter, of course. The way to prove this is with the smog sticker, which on my 77 (a federal truck), is a sticker on the air cleaner. I can't remember if there was another identifying decal somewhere. > If you've got to buy a cat, I'd get one made by Random Technologies. > They make high-flow cats that will allow much more power than your > standard JCW model. Agreed. Hi-flow cats really don't affect performance. I don't like cats on a 4x4 cause they get hot enough to ignite weeds. > > I found some cat's on JCWhitney, but what about the air cleaner and the > > hoses ? > > Air cleaner should come from a junk yard or ebay, and hoses from NAPA. Yup. K - -- Kevin Pekarek Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) 74 Cherokee 2 door (258 1bbl, T15, D20, open 3.54 d44's) 77 Cherokee 4 door S (401 4bbl, TH400, BW QT, open 3.54 d44's) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 22:37:13 -0500 From: "Vince Orr" Subject: fsj: Re: Ouray Prep I've been in Cincinnatti since last Saturday and flew back this morning......really want to get back to work on the Rez Runner. Wife dropped the gauntlet and says she doesn't think I'll get ready in time. My new dipstick....ummm....for Rez.....should be in by now. Ready for paint. Mua Ha Ha Ha Ha (my diabolical laugh) - --Vince '81 Wagoneer '99 TJ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tesar Landon-r16884" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 11:07 AM Subject: fsj: Ouray Prep > Hi, > thought it would be good for each of us going to Ouray to list what we are doing to prepare. There is a good list at http://www.cfsja.org . There may be some ideas that others are missing, also we can appreciate the results more when we meet, like I wanna see/hear Vince's new motor in Rez. > > 1. Trans fluid and filter chg - Done > 2. Xfer case fluid chg - Done > 3. Pack outer wheel bearings - in progress, did them all not long ago, and the driver's was dry again and loose! > 4. Inspect and consider repair for driver's side steering end link where the tie rod attaches - wore it oblong - what kind of sleeve could I use? > 5. Oil pump mods for improved pressure > 6. New GMP-1040P water pump from Autozone coming in the mail. > 7. Alternator is crooked to engine, and starting to whine. > 8. Maybe new AC compressor, I've been without it, we're having a cool summer. > 9. Oil and filter and lube chassis. > 10. Take out the back seat. > 11. Clean/Lube the rear window mechanism. > 12. Nuther coat of wax. > 13. Touch up paint here and there. > 14. Solder connections and reinstall the subwoofer > 15. Vacuum. > 16. Check/maybe replace the motor mounts. > 17. Return PCV system to stock.... > 18. Retorque exhaust manifold bolts > > wait, that's everything I need to do - good thing I have an excuse. > > - Landon > 89 GW > Austin ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #1695 **************************