From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Sat Jul 27 16:04:14 2002 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Friday, July 26 2002 Volume 01 : Number 1703 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: Re: [Re: incoming asteroid...] RE: Re: fsj: reported today on headline news, ..end of world? fsj: Re: incoming asteroid... 401 and Ouray Re: fsj: Wisdom for the Dipstick Re: fsj: Re: [Re: incoming asteroid...] Re: fsj: Re: [Re: incoming asteroid...] fsj: the '69 Wagoneer fsj: the link for the '69 Wagoneer Re: fsj: Wisdom for the Dipstick Re: fsj: Re: plates Re: fsj: Re: plates fsj: Re: assembled FSJs fsj: Quadra Junk!?? FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 14:35:49 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: [Re: incoming asteroid...] since RJ shared this story with the list, I'll pass along some threads that have been going on off list. :) see my comments sent to a few friends off list below. :) john At 03:34 PM 7/25/2002 -0600, Michael Shimniok wrote: >The cnn sci-tech report puts it into better perspective. Low risk, rating of >0 on the Torino impact hazard scale (ie, near 0 chance, scale goes from 0 to >10) Worrying won't add one more day to our lives, so I figure I can at least >try to postpone the worry closer to 2019. :) No worries about where I stand >with Jesus, tho. :) > >Michael > >john wrote: > > At 07:57 AM 7/25/2002 -0700, Thomas, David B wrote: > > >--- In the News --- > > >It was first seen on the night of 5 July, picked up by the Linear > > >Observatory's automated sky survey programme in New Mexico, US. > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2147879.stm > > > > > >so much for SA appreciation day...... > > > > well, we'll get a couple more http://www.SysAdminDay.com 's > > in there... We've got to Feb 2019 to figure out which continent > > to be on... ;) > > > > Can't say we weren't warned... the end is near... better get right > > with Jesus, or at least be on the right continent... ;) > > > > Of course this could be like all the dire warnings of planetary > > disaster back in the '80s when > > all the planets were supposed to line up and create earthquakes, etc. > > The article mentions that they could be wrong... we'll see... > > > > Ever read the book "Lucifer's Hammer"? Interesting book about a comet > > hitting the earth... will renew your love of coffee... :) The > > author goes through detailed description of how the coffee plants > > were destroyed and how this last bit of coffee was all that was > > left on the planet... :) > > > > >http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/external-search/103-6574782-3431066?mode=books&keyword=Lucifer%27s+Hammer&tag=wagoneerscom-20&Go.x=13&Go.y=12&Go=Go > > > > john > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com > > http://www.billygraham.org/spiritualhelp/steps.asp > > http://www.helpmewithbiblestudy.org/ > > http://www.freegift.net/ > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > >--- >Michael E. Shimniok - KC0EKI - Michael.Shimniok-at-usa.net > "For every complex problem, there is a solution that > is simple, neat, and wrong." - H. L. Menken - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 14:48:16 -0700 From: Clark Novak Subject: RE: Re: fsj: reported today on headline news, ..end of world? I for one will be looking for some very specific signs that the world is ending, and this ain't one of 'em, is it John? ;) Now, troubleshooting the Judge's steering... that worries me more than the asteroid. Clark Novak 87 GW, San Diego > > Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 16:11:31 CDT > From: Dan Black > Subject: Re: fsj: reported today on headline news, ..end of > world? , feb 1 2019.. > > "R.J. Baynum" said: > {- Today it was reported to the public on headline news, that a asteroid > {- along with some smaller yet also devastating, is on a probable path > {- directed to earth. This large Asteroid is is very likely and capable of > {- taking out a large continent upon impact. This specific large asteroid > {- is said to be a estimated at a mile wide! Please turn on the news for > {- more and any information further! Now that's a real bummer for future > {- plans! > > Yesterday they were saying there's only about a 1-in-a-million chance > based on current incomplete information, and they'll know better in a > few months. Likely it'll miss us like everything else. The big deal > was this was the biggest threat they've found so far; in fact, the first > to register a positive number on some special asteriod-threat scale they > have. > > Don't panic quite yet. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 15:41:12 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: incoming asteroid... 401 and Ouray looking forward to the BBQ tomorrow for us SA's. :) My son's twin stick conversion kit showed up today, he wants me to miss the BBQ to help him install it... ;) At least you have an FSJ that is assembled... Interesting page on your 401... $765 for machine work!!! wow... the '83 Wagoneer I'm trying to buy will only cost me $300. ;) john At 05:12 PM 7/25/2002 -0500, Obi-Wan wrote: > >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2147879.stm > >Well, I guess the dismal performance of my 401K doesn't much matter >any more, since I won't be seeing my 50th birthday... > > > well, we'll get a couple more http://www.SysAdminDay.com 's > >I'd forwarded that URL to my boss earlier. He brought donuts in >today to celebrate with a comment on the box thanking us SA's for >keeping the systems running so well. In a stroke of irony, we had >a disk problem last night that kept us basically offline until 10am >this morning. I got 3 hours of sleep last night because of it. > >19 days til I leave. Hope to have the engine fully assembled and >painted by the end of this weekend! Engine breakin? I'll stop >half way to Ouray to change the oil... ;-) > >http://www.jedi.com/obiwan/jeep/wagoneer/401 > >-- >Ben "Obi-Wan" Hollingsworth obiwan-at-jedi.com > The stuff of earth competes for the allegiance I owe only to the > Giver of all good things, so if I stand, let me stand on the > promise that You will pull me through. -- Rich Mullins - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 20:01:24 -0500 From: "Vince Orr" Subject: Re: fsj: Wisdom for the Dipstick Got a new dipstick and tube from Jeep for the new motor. Pressed it in (on angle mind you) so it would go through the hole in the oil pan baffle plate. Engine is now painted AMC blue and looks real purty! Checked out the new AMC valve covers in 4WD.com's latest catalog. But at $150 they don't look THAT purty! I think I'll go ahead and put the chrome Edelbrock covers on like I had originally planned.....already have them anyway! You guys are going to probably laugh me off the mountain when you see how rusty and crappy my Rez looks.... I keep asking myself why I'm going to all this detail when the outside of the vehicle looks like absolute junk...... - --Vince '81 Wagoneer - ----- Original Message ----- From: "R.J. Baynum" To: "Vince Orr" ; Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 4:58 PM Subject: Re: fsj: Wisdom for the Dipstick > Actually I think it's a pull on and off sort of thing, with a rubber gasket, from > my understanding.. > > R.J. > > Vince Orr wrote: > > > Not me....or that deputy on the Dukes of Hazzard......the one on my old 360! > > > > Yeah, the age old question......How the heck do you get the thing off or more > > importantly, installed onto another engine? So far, I haven't damaged mine > > but it sure doesn't look like it is coming out of there easily. My technical > > manual conveniently omitted this operation. > > > > Anyone have a prescription for success with dipsticks or is it hopeless? > > > > --Vince > > ''81 Wagoneer ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 23:31:40 -0500 From: "R.J. Baynum" Subject: Re: fsj: Re: [Re: incoming asteroid...] hey.. it was on Headline news.. this morning.. I saw it my self! They are generally right about such stuff. BEFORE they broad cast it on TV World wide!.. Thanks for the added info! It's not that I don't doubt what you guys are saying.. but I would be glad to read the article.. since I have not had a chance to look into it further today, and it a shocker, to me since I was like in siberia or something like that.. it was the first time I heard of it. and frankly is one of the biggest fears I have.. As John says.. I think It might be the time to get right with god..( for me.. The uncouth Heathen pagan that I truly am..) It leaves me pondering, and wondering.. about my self, and my soul. You start to realize that this event could really end us all , no matter where it hit ," in a blink of a eye"... as the story goes.. Plus if you stopped and thought about it, and did some research.. And did some more thinking about it, and included all the wars going on today in the present. clash of cultures and religions, and the Muslims, and Arabs fighting, the Drastic weather changes, ( Global warming) Weird storms, Health epidemics, Hunger and so forth.. Sounds right close and darn near as described in the book of the Armageddon, don't you think? think about it... It is the right time period too... R.J. john wrote: > since RJ shared this story with the list, I'll pass > along some threads that have been going on off list. :) > > see my comments sent to a few friends off list below. :) > > john > > At 03:34 PM 7/25/2002 -0600, Michael Shimniok wrote: > >The cnn sci-tech report puts it into better perspective. Low risk, rating of > >0 on the Torino impact hazard scale (ie, near 0 chance, scale goes from 0 to > >10) Worrying won't add one more day to our lives, so I figure I can at least > >try to postpone the worry closer to 2019. :) No worries about where I stand > >with Jesus, tho. :) > > > >Michael > > > >john wrote: > > > At 07:57 AM 7/25/2002 -0700, Thomas, David B wrote: > > > >--- In the News --- > > > >It was first seen on the night of 5 July, picked up by the Linear > > > >Observatory's automated sky survey programme in New Mexico, US. > > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2147879.stm > > > > > > > >so much for SA appreciation day...... > > > > > > well, we'll get a couple more http://www.SysAdminDay.com 's > > > in there... We've got to Feb 2019 to figure out which continent > > > to be on... ;) > > > > > > Can't say we weren't warned... the end is near... better get right > > > with Jesus, or at least be on the right continent... ;) > > > > > > Of course this could be like all the dire warnings of planetary > > > disaster back in the '80s when > > > all the planets were supposed to line up and create earthquakes, etc. > > > The article mentions that they could be wrong... we'll see... > > > > > > Ever read the book "Lucifer's Hammer"? Interesting book about a comet > > > hitting the earth... will renew your love of coffee... :) The > > > author goes through detailed description of how the coffee plants > > > were destroyed and how this last bit of coffee was all that was > > > left on the planet... :) > > > > > > > >http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/external-search/103-6574782-3431066?mode=books&keyword=Lucifer%27s+Hammer&tag=wagoneerscom-20&Go.x=13&Go.y=12&Go=Go > > > > > > john > > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com > > > http://www.billygraham.org/spiritualhelp/steps.asp > > > http://www.helpmewithbiblestudy.org/ > > > http://www.freegift.net/ > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > >--- > >Michael E. Shimniok - KC0EKI - Michael.Shimniok-at-usa.net > > "For every complex problem, there is a solution that > > is simple, neat, and wrong." - H. L. Menken > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 20:31:22 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Re: [Re: incoming asteroid...] At 11:31 PM 7/25/2002 -0500, R.J. Baynum wrote: >Sounds right close and darn near as described in the book of the >Armageddon, don't you think? think about it... It is the right time period >too... >R.J. RJ and anyone else interested in this "off-topic" topic. Feel free to email me... Biblical Prophecy has been an area of study and research for me for almost thirty years... I've even done graduate level study on the topic. Would love to chat off-list about it. It has fascinated me since 1974. :) MANDATORY FSJ content: My son's twin stick setup for his Dana 20 showed up today... we'll try to get it installed tomorrow or Saturday. :) We also found a '56 Unimog!!! it's Gas, but we're going to look... :) john - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com http://www.billygraham.org/spiritualhelp/steps.asp http://www.helpmewithbiblestudy.org/ http://www.freegift.net/ - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 20:48:27 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: the '69 Wagoneer At 03:34 PM 7/25/2002 +0000, 1FSJ-at-yahoogroups.com wrote: >With just a little TLC and >detailing, this Wagoneer, as you will see from the pictures, can be returned >to showroom condition. >Don't let this opportunity pass you by. >Sincerely, >Richard Truesdell >Yorba Linda, CA Richard, I recommend putting this on Ebay so your friend gets the best price possible. This is very tempting... :) BTW, it's R12. The new stuff is r134. Just don't let the jr. high kiddies at JP ragazine get their hands on this... ;) john meister snohomish, washington - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 20:49:31 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: the link for the '69 Wagoneer link to the '69 wag... sorry... http://www.geocities.com/super_wagoneer/69Wagoneer.html john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 00:12:55 -0500 From: "R.J. Baynum" Subject: Re: fsj: Wisdom for the Dipstick Did you make sure that the dip stick slides in and out okay too? Mine in the Honcho, in the first engine was screwy, the idiot who built it , had the dip stick tube, going outside the exhaust manifold instead of through it, at a bad angle, , so it would not go in all the way... Then after trying to check and fighting with it for the fortieth time, the tube just broke off in my hand from metal fatigue.. had to get that replaced .. very costly... R.J. Vince Orr wrote: > Got a new dipstick and tube from Jeep for the new motor. Pressed it in (on > angle mind you) so it would go through the hole in the oil pan baffle plate. > Engine is now painted AMC blue and looks real purty! Checked out the new > AMC valve covers in 4WD.com's latest catalog. But at $150 they don't look > THAT purty! I think I'll go ahead and put the chrome Edelbrock covers on > like I had originally planned.....already have them anyway! You guys are > going to probably laugh me off the mountain when you see how rusty and > crappy my Rez looks.... I keep asking myself why I'm going to all this > detail when the outside of the vehicle looks like absolute junk...... > --Vince > '81 Wagoneer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "R.J. Baynum" > To: "Vince Orr" ; > Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 4:58 PM > Subject: Re: fsj: Wisdom for the Dipstick > > > Actually I think it's a pull on and off sort of thing, with a rubber > gasket, from > > my understanding.. > > > > R.J. > > > > Vince Orr wrote: > > > > > Not me....or that deputy on the Dukes of Hazzard......the one on my old > 360! > > > > > > Yeah, the age old question......How the heck do you get the thing off or > more > > > importantly, installed onto another engine? So far, I haven't damaged > mine > > > but it sure doesn't look like it is coming out of there easily. My > technical > > > manual conveniently omitted this operation. > > > > > > Anyone have a prescription for success with dipsticks or is it hopeless? > > > > > > --Vince > > > ''81 Wagoneer ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 04:28:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck2-at-webtv.net (jim blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Re: plates A: How about JEP BABY or ROLRSK8 or JEEPLEZ (that'll make them think!) Maybe FLSH SK8 or POL SHRK and just for fun HONDUH! From: Kevin Pekarek On Thu, Jul 25, 2002 at 12:03:32PM -0700, john wrote: At 12:04 PM 7/25/2002 -0700, Kevin Pekarek wrote: notnfsj I'm much more partial to bigjeep myself, bigwag, bigchero, ... etc that's fine but you didn't read the requirements document: 1) this is on a Honda 2) he's limited to 7 characters I think bigjeep would work very well on a honda :) People would have NO idea what to think :) Seriously though, I didn't catch the criteria. Now that I have, I can figure out what it was you were saying ;) grey honda? hmmm.... slvrblt jeepnvy getsmpg econobx (or ecnobox) or, if you visit riceboypage.com, "vtec" or "type r" would be quite funny too. Especially if it is a four door honda :) K ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10, '86 MJ http://www.geocities.com/eaglemania2002/ Black Jack's before pic: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/jim-b-J10.jpg ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:46:16 -0500 From: "R.J. Baynum" Subject: Re: fsj: Re: plates you kids are having having way too much fun with this.. grin.. R.J. jim blair wrote: > A: How about JEP BABY or ROLRSK8 or JEEPLEZ (that'll make them think!) > Maybe FLSH SK8 or POL SHRK and just for fun HONDUH! > > From: Kevin Pekarek > > On Thu, Jul 25, 2002 at 12:03:32PM -0700, john wrote: > At 12:04 PM 7/25/2002 -0700, Kevin Pekarek wrote: > notnfsj > I'm much more partial to bigjeep myself, bigwag, bigchero, ... etc > that's fine but you didn't read the requirements document: > 1) this is on a > Honda > 2) he's limited to > 7 characters > I think bigjeep would work very well on a honda :) > People would have NO idea what to think :) > Seriously though, I didn't catch the criteria. Now that I have, I can > figure out what it was you were saying ;) > grey honda? hmmm.... > slvrblt > jeepnvy > getsmpg > econobx (or ecnobox) > or, if you visit riceboypage.com, "vtec" or "type r" would be quite > funny too. Especially if it is a four door honda :) > K > > ************************************* > JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10, '86 MJ > http://www.geocities.com/eaglemania2002/ Black Jack's before pic: > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/jim-b-J10.jpg > ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 10:42:40 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: assembled FSJs At 11:46 AM 7/26/2002 -0500, Obi-Wan wrote: > > At least you have an FSJ that is assembled... >Well, not yet, but hopefully soon. yeah, but as close as you are to Ouray shouldn't be a big deal... how long will it take you to get there? >You mean with all your FSJ's, none of them is fully assembled? well let's do a quick inventory: '67 Panel - awaiting axle swap, currently driven short distances in front wheel drive, very noisy gears '77 Cherokee - son's, but shifter assy taken apart, no door locks, no a/c, etc. '83 J10 stepside - in multiple sections in curtis's shop '83 Wagoneer LTD - haven't even sat in it yet, no title, slipping trans?? '75 J10 - cab gone, soon to be a trailer I think that's it... :) john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 15:27:50 -0500 From: "R.J. Baynum" Subject: fsj: Quadra Junk!?? OH, Now I KNOW someone BETTER, not be going around calling it Quadra Junk! Don't get me started! I don't think this person is well informed as the should be. They some education I think On the toughest drive made! I have owned several Borg warner QT, and I have been very mean and naughty to them, in outlandish conditions. I can safely say they are very impressive when in good working condition and well maintained. The problem is most people are just too lazy and or ignorant to take care of them properly, and wonder why, criticize and Blame one the poor FSJ, who pours and strains its guts apart trying to do what the driver asks of it, and then return the same driver and precious cargo, to their destination safely, in rain, hail, sleet, white out snowy conditions and muddy trails no other person in there right mind would even take a mule train down. Every Day this BW QT, Along with other FSJ, before and after her, put there lives on the line, much like our Firemen and police officers. All they ask of us in return, like a loving member of any family,.. is some simple loving tender care, in maintenance and well being, simply and humbly, so the can do their job , , and keep us and our family and loved ones safe and productive through the long years ahead. Good or bad. When your wife was having the baby, Who carried her to the hospital in the storm? The FSJ did.. When you wanted to get away for a special camping trip, and find the secret hidden lake, for a father and son, fine art fly fishing and just to get to know each other better trip.. Who got you there in the that small rocky muddy Billy goat of a trail, loaded down with a Canoe too? Your reliable Trusty , Powerful and always faithful , ( and.. in the eye's of a child.. his Father's super hero's sidekick. ). The FSJ! See my point?? R.J. Baynum Huntsville AL. 80 J-10 Honcho 256-527-4036 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:58:00 +1200 From: Chris Medlicott Subject: Re: New guy....(Fresh Meat) Pete M. wrote: > OK here's another newbie to the world of FSJ's and I'm sure you've > I have a couple of questions for the experts. > > How hard is it to change out the Quadratrac (Some seem to call it > Quadrajunk) to a D20? Why change it? just add the low range unit to the qtrac and you have a stout tcase with a better low range than a D20. To change to a Dana 20 you will need adaptors and a new tranny output shaft. The stock d20 TH400 parts are rare and are prone to failure (according to list knowledge) the Advance Adptors parts are expensive also. If you must change tcases why not get a junk chev TH400 with NP208 (or a 203) from a blazer and swap the rear output and tcase to make it all fit. ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #1703 **************************