From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Mon Aug 26 13:43:40 2002 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Monday, August 26 2002 Volume 01 : Number 1732 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: Re: Spring over conversion fsj: Re: gatherings east of here... Re: fsj: who owns this??? :) fsj: ok, who DID make it to Ouray? Re: fsj: first FSJ fsj: very good from George Carlin fsj: 4Sale: Auction Ends this Monday! (tomorrow) fsj: Re: Spring over conversion (D44 axles for sale) fsj: water pump leaking after install Re: fsj: water pump leaking after install RE: fsj: water pump leaking after install FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 12:13:26 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: Spring over conversion At 04:40 PM 8/25/2002 +0000, DeWind Brandon CPT wrote: DeWind Brandon CPT <1bd24bnccdr-at-lewis.army.mil> >Hello, >Do you kow of anyone who makes a pring over kit for FSJ's or is it a >completly custom thing. Thanks. >Brandon L. DeWind It's a Jeep thing... custom... :) You need to have spring perches welded on. A drop pitman arm and an extended steering rod. Also recommend making sure your sway bars are relocated... for articulation get sway bar disconnects, but sway bars make a big difference on the road. :) A lot of 4x4 shops will do the work for less then a grand. Don't recall if the last quote I got included an axle and or lift but it was around $800 or so... don't remember... Hey, are you at Ft. Lewis? I put that on my "dream sheet"... even put on it, anywhere west of the Mississippi... ended up as an instructor down at Ft. Gordon. :) 8 years in the Army... quit. :) I'm up by Everett, WA, my J10 is getting restored down in Centralia, might run down there next weekend to visit my truck... :) john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 15:20:17 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: gatherings east of here... Hey RJ and all... I may try to make it to the Chicago area (Crystal Lake) in 2004... let's see, that'll be the 30th High School reunion I think... :) I think the last reunion was in June... If we can time it around the same time then I'd be able to make it... hopefully SuperDawg will be done by then... ;) I think Curtis is holding SuperDawg so I can say I've actually kept an FSJ for more then a year... rofl... Let's see, this Labor Day will be the first anniversary of when it was supposed to be done... ;) Anyway, I made it back to Crystal Lake for my 20th HS reunion in 1994 and would like to make the 30th... It's 2 years away and might give folks enough time to recover from this one... Anywhere between Chicago and Seattle in or around June 2004 would work... My wife might decided to stay in South Dakota and visit her family so I'd actually be able to do some wheeling... ;) Of course where does one wheel in Illinois???? Cornfields? john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 20:10:19 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: who owns this??? :) thanx RJ, do you have his email address? Atlanta? I used to live in Disgusta... I mean Augusta, it's so hard you know... ;) Actually lived in a suburb, if you'd call it that, called Hepzibah. :) That's even more unusual then Snohomish. Hmmm... other strange towns I've called home include Weiterstadt, Messel, and Troutdale... :) john At 11:10 PM 8/25/2002 -0500, R.J. Baynum wrote: >curtis trickle >in atlanta Ga. >He also won something at the Bar - b que as well, for some thing.. >R.J. >john wrote: > >>so whose is this? >>http://www.wagoneers.com/ouray/Aug17-BBQ/4drpickupwag.jpg >> >>it's inspired me... given me purpose in fixing up an '83 Wagoneer... :) >>would love to hear the details about this... >> >>john >>------------------------------------------------------------------ >> http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ >> Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... >> jesus, don't leave life without him, please! >>------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 20:19:26 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: ok, who DID make it to Ouray? Let's figure this out... guesstimates were around 125 to 150, right? email me at john-at-wagoneers.com with your name, vehicle that you made it in, your FSJ, the number your FSJ had at the Picnic and what you won. (I'm either in digest mode or in web view mode, so please cc me. :) I'll assemble the names together on my server for posterity. :) Michael Baxter, Super Ken Wetherall, John Meister, Terry Howe, Al Metzel, RJ, JC, Obi-Wan, Michael Shimniock, Sandy, Paul Kershner... more names will come to mind... :) Your help is appreciated. :) If you don't want your name listed I'll just use your first name and last initial, or whatever you prefer so long as those of use in the know know. ;) I think the last person back from Ouray will be Paul Kershner, due in tomorrow... is he the last? :) He's had the most expensive, well, maybe, experience, a transfer case blew and then he totalled a deer... :) john meister snohomish, washington - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 20:55:21 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: first FSJ or join us up here for an FSJ fest... haven't had one for a while. :) maybe when SuperDawg is done we'll have one. :) john At 09:58 PM 8/25/2002 -0600, Stephen D. Thompson wrote: > > nice rig... I think that's about my favorite style > > grille... it's the same one I have on SuperDawg. :) > > > > which transmission does it have? > > > > I just passed through your area... stayed in Boise > > Thurs night on my way back from Ouray/SLC. :) > > > > john meister > > snohomish > > > > At 04:11 AM 8/19/2002 +0000, fsj-digest wrote: > >> From: "Stephen D. Thompson" > >> Subject: fsj: My new (and first) FSJ > >> > >> Pictured at this link is my first FSJ (barring any problems in completing > >> the deal). I am pretty excited. > >> > >> > > > dexURL=1#ebayphotohosting> > >> - -- > >> > > >Thanks. I have not picked it up yet, but hope to soon. I have had it >inspected by a mechanic friend of mine and he says it is in good shape. It >has a manual four speed with the clutch being replaced about 24000 miles ago >along with the re-build. The transaxle is whatever was original for that >year and was drained, and serviced by the seller and reportedly is in good >shape. I am looking forward to getting it. I saw your emails as you were >passing through and eWaved at you on your way by. ;-) I am from western >Washington (Tacoma) originally. Maybe I can join the party next time. > >Cheers, > >Steve > > >-- > >Steve Thompson - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 00:46:31 -0500 From: "R.J. Baynum" Subject: fsj: very good from George Carlin Enjoy.. R.J. ~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~**!*~*~*~*~**~**~ George Carlin's View on Aging Do you realize that the only time in our lives when we like to get old is when we're kids? If you're less than 10 years old, you're so excited about aging that you think in fractions. "How old are you?" "I'm four and a half!" You're never thirty-six and a half. You're four and a half, going on five! That's the key. You get into your teens, now they can't hold you back. You jump to the next number, or even a few ahead. "How old are you?" "I'm gonna be 16!" You could be 13, but hey, you're gonna be 16! And then the greatest day of your life . . . you become 21. Even the words sound like a ceremony . . . YOU BECOME 21. . . YESSSS!!! But then you turn 30. Oooohh, what happened there? Makes you sound like bad milk. He TURNED, we had to throw him out. There's no fun now, you're just a sour-dumpling. What's wrong? What's changed? You BECOME 21, you TURN 30, then you're PUSHING 40. Whoa! Put on the brakes, it's all slipping away. Before you know it, you REACH 50 . . . and your dreams are gone. But wait!!! You MAKE it to 60. You didn't think you would! So you BECOME 21, TURN 30, PUSH 40, REACH 50 and MAKE it to 60. You've built up so much speed that you HIT 70! After that it's a day-by-day thing. You HIT Wednesday! You get into your 80s and every day is a complete cycle; you HIT lunch; you TURN 4:30; you REACH bedtime. And it doesn't end there. Into the 90s, you start going backwards; "I was JUST 92." Then a strange thing happens. If you make it over 100, you become a little kid again. "I'm 100 and a half!" May you all make it to a healthy 100 and a half!! HOW TO STAY YOUNG..... 1. Throw out nonessential numbers. This includes age, weight and height. Let the doctor worry about them. That is why you pay him/her. 2. Keep only cheerful friends. The grouches pull you down. 3. Keep learning. Learn more about the computer, crafts, gardening, whatever. Never let the brain idle. "An idle mind is the devil's workshop." And the devil's name is Alzheimer's. 4. Enjoy the simple things. 5. Laugh often, long and loud. Laugh until you gasp for breath. 6. The tears happen. Endure, grieve, and move on. The only person who is with us our entire life, is ourselves. Be ALIVE while you are alive. 7. Surround yourself with what you love, whether it's family, pets, keepsakes, music, plants, hobbies, whatever. Your home is your refuge. 8. Cherish your health: If it is good, preserve it. If it is unstable, improve it. If it is beyond what you can improve, get help. 9. Don't take guilt trips. Take a trip to the mall, to the next county, to a foreign country, but NOT to where the guilt is. 10. Tell the people you love that you love them, at every opportunity. AND ALWAYS REMEMBER: Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 22:40:39 -0700 From: "Mike - G" Subject: fsj: 4Sale: Auction Ends this Monday! (tomorrow) OK guys, this is your last chance to get this beauty of a Cherokee on 38" Swampers! 5.9L 360 V8! Dana 44's! Locking Hubs! You know you want it! BID! hehe http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1852048303 Have fun, good luck. - ---- mike-g-at-mike-g.net . http://www.mike-g.net/ KG6MDD boom.boom.beep.beep 5-6" lift, 32" tires, 4.56's, gears, ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 10:16:27 -0700 From: "Jim B" Subject: fsj: Re: Spring over conversion (D44 axles for sale) A: Actually, it depends what rig you have to start with. I have a SOA Dana 44 stock front axle (from a GM) that bolts right into '74 to pre-'80 Wide Track Cherokees (only 2 doors with flares can be wide track, but not all them are) or same years J pickup (I currently have it bolted into my '84 J10, but it's the wrong side axle drop for my transfercase, so I have to weld my own up) You would need to swap your knuckles onto it (it comes with my old ones) and currently has 3.08 gears (I have a set of 3.31 and may have others that I can deal on. I'd swap a near new set of D44 4.10 gears for the same to fit my Model 20) I'm selling the Chev SOA front axle for $200, and I have a pair of D44 axles from a '75 J10 with 4.10 ratio for $300 (the rear has a bad trash-loc, and I haven't opened the front yet to see what kind of posi it has) My son will be selling the D30 and D44 from his '66 Wag (as well as other parts) but the front is closed knuckle and I'm not sure what ratio (it was originally a military spec rig from the local base according to the brass tag he found inside) You can go a dropped pitman arm, but for the best steering setup, http://www.offroaddesign.com will machine a flat top RH steering knuckle (you can use a GM LH knuckle) and you can lift the tierods above the springs (like I am doing) for more ground clearance. The front swaybar doesn't really need relocated unless you add a front spring lift as well (mine are bolted in stock position, but I will probably be bolting my shocks there instead) I'm looking into the new Pro-Comp Monotubes (300lbs of Nitro dampening per shock!) but apparently it requires some computer engineering to get the correct ones. They need the weight per wheel, length, compression, extension, etc to get them just right. From: john Subject: Re: Spring over conversion At 04:40 PM 8/25/2002 +0000, DeWind Brandon CPT wrote: DeWind Brandon CPT <1bd24bnccdr-at-lewis.army.mil> >Hello, >Do you kow of anyone who makes a pring over kit for FSJ's or is it a >completly custom thing. Thanks. >Brandon L. DeWind It's a Jeep thing... custom... :) You need to have spring perches welded on. A drop pitman arm and an extended steering rod. Also recommend making sure your sway bars are relocated... for articulation get sway bar disconnects, but sway bars make a big difference on the road. :) A lot of 4x4 shops will do the work for less then a grand. Don't recall if the last quote I got included an axle and or lift but it was around $800 or so... don't remember... Hey, are you at Ft. Lewis? I put that on my "dream sheet"... even put on it, anywhere west of the Mississippi... ended up as an instructor down at Ft. Gordon. :) 8 years in the Army... quit. :) I'm up by Everett, WA, my J10 is getting restored down in Centralia, might run down there next weekend to visit my truck... :) john ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 11:49:06 -0700 From: Tesar Landon-r16884 Subject: fsj: water pump leaking after install Hi Alex, I feel a little responsible here. I don't know what water pump you got, but it could be that the casting is different, and the old bolts are bottoming out inside the engine block without really holding the housing down to the engine block. You may want to back out the bolt, measure the depth of the hole with a small screwdriver, and add some washers or a bushing under the bolt head to make sure you are really clamping the housing to the block. - - Landon 89 GW Back in TX after Ouray, and it's still hot! =============================== Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 20:07:53 -0600 From: Gary Clark < geeclark-at-telocity.com > Subject: Re: fsj: Coolant leak Alex, The bolt may pass into the water jacket for the engine, in which case the threads of the bolt will need to be sealed with gasket cement when installed. Some bolts, but not all the bolts can enter the water jacket. I am not sure about the AMC engines and water pumps, it has been a long time since I replaced mine, but this sounds like a place to start. Good luck, Gary 73 Wag > is dripping heavily out from one of the bolt holes, and apparently from BEHIND > the wheel with the > timing mark on it. > I don't even know where to go from here. Any help would be welcome!! > > Thanks, > > Alex > Spokane, WA > '84 Wagoneer "Lucky" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 11:58:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Alexander Wall Subject: Re: fsj: water pump leaking after install I got the GMB 110-1040 pump, from Schucks. The threads on the bolts were pretty gummy with something when I took them out - leading me to think maybe they do go into the water jacket. Seems odd, but I'm going to try taking the bolts out, filling the holes with high-temp silicone sealant, and putting the bolts back in. Thanks for the response! Alex - --- Tesar Landon-r16884 wrote: > Hi Alex, > > I feel a little responsible here. I don't know what water pump you got, but it could be that > the casting is different, and the old bolts are bottoming out inside the engine block without > really holding the housing down to the engine block. You may want to back out the bolt, measure > the depth of the hole with a small screwdriver, and add some washers or a bushing under the bolt > head to make sure you are really clamping the housing to the block. > > - Landon > 89 GW > Back in TX after Ouray, and it's still hot! > =============================== > Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 20:07:53 -0600 > From: Gary Clark < geeclark-at-telocity.com > > Subject: Re: fsj: Coolant leak > > Alex, > > The bolt may pass into the water jacket for the engine, in which case the > threads of the bolt will need to be sealed with gasket cement when > installed. Some bolts, but not all the bolts can enter the water jacket. > I am not sure about the AMC engines and water pumps, it has been a long time > since I replaced mine, but this sounds like a place to start. > > Good luck, > > Gary > 73 Wag > > > is dripping heavily out from one of the bolt holes, and apparently from BEHIND > > the wheel with the > > timing mark on it. > > I don't even know where to go from here. Any help would be welcome!! > > > > Thanks, > > > > Alex > > Spokane, WA > > '84 Wagoneer "Lucky" ===== Alexander Wall Spokane, WA ================================================================================= "Where there's a will, there's a way." - Eliza Cook "Where there's a way, there's a construction crew disrupting traffic!" - Alex Wall ================================================================================= Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 12:48:10 -0700 From: Tesar Landon-r16884 Subject: RE: fsj: water pump leaking after install Right, no question then, that you should definitely check the depth of the hole vs. the bolt length to ensure you are clamping the water pump to the block. I had to add two bushings under the bolt head, one about 7/8", the other 1 1/16" IIRC, or get some shorter bolts... Mine is '89, so your mileage may vary. - - Landon - -----Original Message----- From: Alexander Wall [mailto:alxndr13-at-yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 1:58 PM To: Tesar Landon-r16884 Cc: FSJ Digest Subject: Re: fsj: water pump leaking after install I got the GMB 110-1040 pump, from Schucks. The threads on the bolts were pretty gummy with something when I took them out - leading me to think maybe they do go into the water jacket. Seems odd, but I'm going to try taking the bolts out, filling the holes with high-temp silicone sealant, and putting the bolts back in. Thanks for the response! Alex - --- Tesar Landon-r16884 wrote: > Hi Alex, > > I feel a little responsible here. I don't know what water pump you got, but it could be that > the casting is different, and the old bolts are bottoming out inside the engine block without > really holding the housing down to the engine block. You may want to back out the bolt, measure > the depth of the hole with a small screwdriver, and add some washers or a bushing under the bolt > head to make sure you are really clamping the housing to the block. > > - Landon > 89 GW > Back in TX after Ouray, and it's still hot! > =============================== ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #1732 **************************