From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Sun Oct 20 11:51:15 2002 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Sunday, October 20 2002 Volume 01 : Number 1773 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: Re: JEEP INFO Re: fsj: Re: boat anchors... fsj: 1 down, 1 to go! fsj: Re: Interesting item on eBay web site item#1868297650: 1971 Jeep Wagoneer Custom Pickup 4x4 solid! Re: fsj: Re: Interesting item on eBay web site item#1868297650: 1971 Jeep Wagoneer Custom Pickup 4x4 solid! fsj: '77 Cherokee (project) fsj: RE: '77 Cherokee (project) fsj: RE: '77 Cherokee (project) fsj: today's adventure fsj: Correct Distributor Vacuum FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 10:58:35 -0700 From: "Jim B" Subject: Re: fsj: Re: JEEP INFO From: john Subject: fsj: Re: JEEP INFO Other Selectracs used in Jeeps are NP242 (mostly XJ, ZJ and WJ) Quadratrac is the full-time xfr case, no 2wd. '74-'79 was the Borg Warner 1339. '80-'82 was the NP219. It wasn't offered after '82 in the FSJ. It came back out as the NV247(?) later in the Zj's and I have on in my '99 WJ (Quadradrive as it includes Quadratrac II and the Veri-lock gerotor axles/lockup feature) A: The '93 ZJ (and Dodge trucks) came with NV249 behind the V8. NV242 was an option, but not recommended (the drive-chain was too skinny till they built the NV242 HD for Hummers) >i have 10 jeeps in total mostly 1979 quadra tracs, but i also own a >1981 fsj which is a np 208.And also own a 1983 cherokee with the 258 >in line "slug" six also np 208. now the 208's r easy to figure. I've had a few... ;) like 20 FSJ's... (some were for parts though... ;) http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html A: Not to forget the NP208 (and NP231 and my new toy NV241) are Command-tracs. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 11:02:07 -0700 From: "Jim B" Subject: Re: fsj: Re: boat anchors... A: He won't be dragging his oil pan. The old motor was the V12! A 401 is a few more cubes than the 372 V12, but slightly lighter IIRC (I could be wrong!) I gave him my home number so he could call me when it's done or if he needs a hand with some logistics of bolting things in. From: john Subject: fsj: Re: boat anchors... At 07:41 AM 10/18/2002 +0000, fsj-digest wrote: >Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 00:39:57 -0700 >From: "Jim B" >Subject: fsj: and now for something completely different >I stumbled onto an idea when I yes, I'd say "stumbled" is the right word... ;) rofl... while there may be few substitutes for cubes I doubt I'd recommend dropping something as heavy, inefficient and dowdy as an AMC engine in something like a Jag... he'll probably be dragging the oil pan on the ground... and the thing will understeer like a front loader with a yard of gravel and bald tires on wet pavement... >had a customer come in with a Jag XJ12 with a tossed rod (it still ran, and >he was trying to figure out why it was missing and leaking oil, although >surprisingly not too bad!) When I pointed it out to him the reason for his >English Lead'r he was trying to figure out what to replace it with (they're >a little hard to come by at a reasonable cost here) I looked and saw he had >the uni-pattern GM TH400, cool, he could have put a GM Diesel in there... instead... ;) > so my suggestion was for him to call my local Jeep >wrecking yard for an early AMC motor. He found one alright! He got a 401 >with the TH400 (someone put a unipattern behind it in a '73) and will now be >pumping up his sick kitty! He scored the whole rig for parts for $250! >(Everyone else was trying to get him to go with a bowtide, as in boat >anchor) I'd suggest changing store locations so when he comes looking for you he'll have a harder time... ;) rofl... john ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 11:19:54 -0700 From: "Jim B" Subject: fsj: 1 down, 1 to go! A: I sold the MJ box I had, and now I'm dropping the price on the '75 J10 box/trailer (it's not assembled) First $50 takes it, along with a real trailer frame for parts (it has a 6 lug trailer axle under it) Both are green (can you guess why I don't want them?) I still have the 2 WIDE trailer axles with brakes and tires. (I put one under the J10 box temporarily and it sticks out far enough on each side to allow for 14" wide tires!) First $30 takes both axles. today's bumper snicker: Honk If You See Parts Falling Off My Car! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 12:27:35 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: Interesting item on eBay web site item#1868297650: 1971 Jeep Wagoneer Custom Pickup 4x4 solid! actually that doesn't look too bad, especially if we can use the original cab back so we get the natural roll look. I like the windows. :) hey, and it's Jim Blair's favorite color too! john At 12:13 PM 10/19/2002 -0700, machinedoc-at-attbi.com wrote: >This is for your amusement ;) >Close your eyes. Imagine SuperDawg with a large port window in the >extension and a flatbed painted an ugly geen color. >Now click the link. >Open your eyes. Like magic, you can see it. > >Actually it says it is made from a wagoneer. > >I thought you might like it. > >Curtis > >Title of item: 1971 Jeep Wagoneer Custom Pickup 4x4 solid! >Seller: ktmcrazy >Starts: Oct-12-02 13:48:34 PDT >Ends: Oct-19-02 13:48:34 PDT >Price: Starts at $400.00 >To bid on the item, go >to: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1868297650 > > >Item Description: > 1971 Jeep Wagoneer 4x4custom flatbed pick-up350 CID Jeep > Dauntless (buick)Clear title / 68,000 milesThis is a cool Jeep wagoneer > that was converted to a flatbed pickup. The guy who did the conversion > did a great job both on the exterior and interior, while keeping it > mostly original. The body is totally solid with the only bondo being in > the seams of where the back of the cab was fabricated.the interior is all > original with the exception of new carpeting. the seat is rotted out on > the passenger side. everything works incl. cig. lighter, wipers, heater, > interior lights, etc.The truck has a working 4 wheel drive with locking > hubs. I was told the axles are Dana 44 front and rear. The transmision > is a Turbo-hydramatic 400 with an electric solenoid kickdown. Trans is > also good. The engine is the original buick 350 (5.7 liter) known as the > Jeep Dauntless. 2 bbl carb.vehicle conditionThis vehicle sat for the > last 6-7 months. I got it running last week with new fuel pump, c! >ap & rotor, belts, and accel plug wires. I drove it for a week and it >drove great! Today the engine started knocking real hard. I think it has >a bad rod. still runs (poorly), but is not driveable.Tires are pretty >good, but not new needs a batteryI will include a brand new battery and 8 >brand new Bosch platinum plugs for it if the bidding goes over $850.Terms >and ConditionsBuyer responsible for pick-up or shipping of vehicle from >Green Bay, WIbuyer to pay a $250 non refundable deposit within 24 hours of >auction end by paypal or Fed EX.Balance to be paid within 7 days of >auction endvehicle must be picked up within 14 days of auction endpaypal >payments of over $500 subject to a $30 service fee.bidders are welcome to >inspect the vehicle.Your bid is a binding contract to buy the vehicle, so >do not bid if you dont intend to buy it.dirt bike not included!Vehicle is >located in Green Bay, WIclick here to check out my other auctions! > > Visit eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM at http://www.ebay.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 13:45:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg Loxtercamp Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Interesting item on eBay web site item#1868297650: 1971 Jeep Wagoneer Custom Pickup 4x4 solid! Hey...I like this thing...and it's not too far away. I'll have to talk to my wife about this. She wouldn't let me get the '78 Cherokee with 641 miles...too much money. This one is just as unique, but much less $$$. Oh honey... Greg - --- john wrote: > actually that doesn't look too bad, especially if we > can use the original cab back so we get the natural > roll look. I like the windows. :) hey, and it's > Jim Blair's favorite color too! > > john > > At 12:13 PM 10/19/2002 -0700, machinedoc-at-attbi.com wrote: > >This is for your amusement ;) > >Close your eyes. Imagine SuperDawg with a large port window in > the > >extension and a flatbed painted an ugly geen color. > >Now click the link. > >Open your eyes. Like magic, you can see it. > > > >Actually it says it is made from a wagoneer. > > > >I thought you might like it. > > > >Curtis > > > >Title of item: 1971 Jeep Wagoneer Custom Pickup 4x4 solid! > >Seller: ktmcrazy > >Starts: Oct-12-02 13:48:34 PDT > >Ends: Oct-19-02 13:48:34 PDT > >Price: Starts at $400.00 > >To bid on the item, go > >to: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1868297650 > > > > > >Item Description: > > 1971 Jeep Wagoneer 4x4custom flatbed pick-up350 CID Jeep > > Dauntless (buick)Clear title / 68,000 milesThis is a cool Jeep > wagoneer > > that was converted to a flatbed pickup. The guy who did the > conversion > > did a great job both on the exterior and interior, while keeping > it > > mostly original. The body is totally solid with the only bondo > being in > > the seams of where the back of the cab was fabricated.the > interior is all > > original with the exception of new carpeting. the seat is rotted > out on > > the passenger side. everything works incl. cig. lighter, wipers, > heater, > > interior lights, etc.The truck has a working 4 wheel drive with > locking > > hubs. I was told the axles are Dana 44 front and rear. The > transmision > > is a Turbo-hydramatic 400 with an electric solenoid kickdown. > Trans is > > also good. The engine is the original buick 350 (5.7 liter) > known as the > > Jeep Dauntless. 2 bbl carb.vehicle conditionThis vehicle sat for > the > > last 6-7 months. I got it running last week with new fuel pump, > c! > >ap & rotor, belts, and accel plug wires. I drove it for a week > and it > >drove great! Today the engine started knocking real hard. I > think it has > >a bad rod. still runs (poorly), but is not driveable.Tires are > pretty > >good, but not new needs a batteryI will include a brand new > battery and 8 > >brand new Bosch platinum plugs for it if the bidding goes over > $850.Terms > >and ConditionsBuyer responsible for pick-up or shipping of vehicle > from > >Green Bay, WIbuyer to pay a $250 non refundable deposit within 24 > hours of > >auction end by paypal or Fed EX.Balance to be paid within 7 days > of > >auction endvehicle must be picked up within 14 days of auction > endpaypal > >payments of over $500 subject to a $30 service fee.bidders are > welcome to > >inspect the vehicle.Your bid is a binding contract to buy the > vehicle, so > >do not bid if you dont intend to buy it.dirt bike not > included!Vehicle is > >located in Green Bay, WIclick here to check out my other auctions! > > > > Visit eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM at > http://www.ebay.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > ------------------------------------------------------------------- Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 15:51:54 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: '77 Cherokee (project) my son is giving thought to parting with his '77 cherokee in order to have money to finish the '62 Galaxy resto. the chero is lifted, fenders cut out, 35" tires, rear locker... we have the trans out right now, but have an AT th400/QT for it... you can also have the t18/d20. as is $1,700, with the tranny in $2,500. it has a very sweet 360 in it, offenhauser dual plane manifold and edelbrock 1406 carb, fresh motor too... gauges, this is a 2dr w/rear tire carrier... email me at john-at-wagoneers.com in digest mode, never have time to read them... so be sure to cc me. john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 16:15:42 -0700 From: "Paul and Megan Kershner" Subject: fsj: RE: '77 Cherokee (project) Geez! Like father, like son: You guys can't make up your minds which cars you want. I don't think we see more than two weeks between you or your son changing your minds about selling the WJ or the Galaxy or to buy another Wag or another XJ or to buy a Diesel Mercedes or to sell the Z-car... Shall I go on? I better not, lest you don't help me any more. Paul Kershner '84 GW Deer Damaged; Owned 2 years '91 GW to replace the '84; Owned 1 month '00 Volvo V70 AWD XC; Owned 2.5 years '65 Barracuda project; Owned 14 years -just getting' around to finishing it - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 3:52 PM To: Recipient list suppressed Subject: fsj: '77 Cherokee (project) my son is giving thought to parting with his '77 cherokee in order to have money to finish the '62 Galaxy resto. the chero is lifted, fenders cut out, 35" tires, rear locker... we have the trans out right now, but have an AT th400/QT for it... you can also have the t18/d20. as is $1,700, with the tranny in $2,500. it has a very sweet 360 in it, offenhauser dual plane manifold and edelbrock 1406 carb, fresh motor too... gauges, this is a 2dr w/rear tire carrier... email me at john-at-wagoneers.com in digest mode, never have time to read them... so be sure to cc me. john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 16:49:44 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: RE: '77 Cherokee (project) :) hey, we're having fun... rofl... so many vehicles, so little time... :) At 04:15 PM 10/19/2002 -0700, Paul and Megan Kershner wrote: >Geez! Like father, like son: You guys can't make up your minds which >cars you want. I don't think we see more than two weeks between you or >your son changing your minds about selling the WJ or the Galaxy or to >buy another Wag or another XJ or to buy a Diesel Mercedes or to sell the >Z-car... Shall I go on? I better not, lest you don't help me any more. > > >Paul Kershner >'84 GW Deer Damaged; Owned 2 years >'91 GW to replace the '84; Owned 1 month >'00 Volvo V70 AWD XC; Owned 2.5 years >'65 Barracuda project; Owned 14 years -just getting' around to finishing >it > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of >john >Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 3:52 PM >To: Recipient list suppressed >Subject: fsj: '77 Cherokee (project) > > my son is giving thought to parting with >his '77 cherokee in order to have money to finish >the '62 Galaxy resto. > >the chero is lifted, fenders cut out, 35" tires, rear >locker... we have the trans out right now, but have >an AT th400/QT for it... you can also have the t18/d20. > >as is $1,700, with the tranny in $2,500. > >it has a very sweet 360 in it, offenhauser dual plane >manifold and edelbrock 1406 carb, fresh motor too... gauges, >this is a 2dr w/rear tire carrier... > >email me at john-at-wagoneers.com in digest mode, never have >time to read them... so be sure to cc me. > >john >------------------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! >------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 17:11:54 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: today's adventure worked on '87 XJ most of the day... didn't get a chance to finish the bushing on the 77 cherokee... anyway, on my '87 xj: - -removed the flowmaster, looks like phil is going to get it... had Airport Welding install a new turbo, very nice... :) - -installed the little wag's rear spoiler... - -fixed the 4wd so it works (had repairs done on the engine, didn't get all the plumbing back in place.. ;) - - need to install some better speakers & the CB... have to go work on a computer network tonight... :( Cherokee is running great, nice quiet turbo muffler, plenty of oil pressure... turns over the 31's w/ no problem. found my other '87 XJ at Olympic today, it hadn't been rolled like we were told... looks like he spun out, hit his head on the windshield in the center (no seat belt is my guess) and spun around and tagged the rear bumper on the guardrail... he sold it to olympic for $100!!! I would have given him more then that... argghhh... so I asked how much they wanted for the Dana 44 rear axle with trac lock... (and 278,000 miles)... $750! mark's decided to sell his '77 Cherokee, 360/v8 th400/Qt And the t18/d20, 3.55 gears, 35" tires, rear locker... the trans is out... as is $1,700, put together $2,500. sweet low mileage motor with offenhauser dual plane and edelbrock 1406, nice exhaust system... lots of lift and cut out fenders... I think we're going to do something radical with my '77 J20... we're using the rear of the cab to extend SuperDawg's cab... :) I think Whit wants the doors, so we may have an open cab, will shorten the frame, lock it up and have some fun with it... maybe... we'll see, mark's funds are going to his "new" '62 Galaxy 500 (2dr) and mine are going to SuperDawg... :) email me, in digest mode... john-at-wagoneers.com later, john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 14:45:55 -0400 From: "Frazier Phillips" Subject: fsj: Correct Distributor Vacuum On my 86 GW, my idle vacuum at the distributor, when engine is hot is 10,5 in. Hg (26.5 cm Hg). This appears too high. Where do I start to look to correct this? I believe this high vacuum causes the engine to ping when accelerating lightly. Heavy acceleration causes no pinging. Shorty [demime 0.99c.7 removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #1773 **************************